WEBVTT - MINI: Ricky Gervais Interview 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:08.240 Good money. It's a Christian Colors Show podcast. 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:10.320 Hey, thank you very much for downloading this. We do 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:12.319 this with our big interviews and we're doing this with 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:15.640 Ricky Gervais. Was lucky enough to catch up with Ricky 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:19.200 live from London, Live to Australia. This is the full 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.720 raw unedited interview for your ears if you haven't checked 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.119 it out yet. After Live Season two, which obviously the 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.640 a lot of this chat is about, is out now 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.840 on Netflix wherever you are in the world. It is outstanding. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:33.840 I can't recommend it enough. For now, though. Let's crack 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:39.839 on Ricky Jervas talking life, love, mops, badminton, all of it, 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:45.120 enjoying Hello, you're right hello mate. First of all, all 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:47.839 we talk about after Live season two, I'm keen to 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.239 catch up and let me please let us know. How 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:51.520 are you coping in lockdown? 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:52.400 Fine? 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:56.600 I've said so many times. You never hear me complain. 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.279 When there's nurses doing forteen. 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.280 Hour shift in their house and left found its house 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:04.959 to do. It's good work. 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:09.280 But you know what, I'm I'm a writer, so I 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:11.960 can do that at home. I'm not, but I could 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:12.840 be if I wanted it. 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:16.039 I should be writing I'm just not so. 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:22.200 I've always got enough boothing for a nuclear winter. I'm 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:25.520 always on the couch by six pm, drinking wine and 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:30.480 watching Netflix, so that hasn't changed. Obviously, the gigs are postponed, 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.479 but you know what you're going to do. I reckon 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:37.120 there'd be the last things back because it's like, you know, 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:39.119 ten thousand theaters, so. 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:45.120 Hopefully they happen next year. So I'm good, you know. 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:48.000 And the. 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:53.040 Fact that season two has gone down the storms really 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.280 given me a little spring in my step to start. 0:01:56.040 --> 0:02:01.000 Thinking about season three. So I'm good. Driving Jane mad 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:02.520 because she usually gets the house to. 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.320 Us out an office down the road where I have 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.000 meetings and work, so I'm home all the time. 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:11.320 So I've heard this quite a lot. Okay, keep quiet 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:13.520 from it. Let me just finish this sentence about maybe 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.240 in a minute. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:19.760 It's like she's got now she's got a kid who's 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.640 at home, who's normally at school, but he's a fifty 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.160 something kid. 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.400 Yeah. Yeah, that's feel weird. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:34.640 Six Yeah, but you know what it's it's it's fine. 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:38.040 I'm getting used to it. I've never used zoom so much. 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:40.200 Oh well, that's a good thing about it. 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:44.920 As well, because like usually you have to you know, 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.520 travel to do interviews, and now I just do them 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:50.600 all on zoom. So I think I've done back twice 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.360 as many interviews because I'm just. 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.480 At home on the bon In my mind, You've got 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:59.760 like about twenty four different clocks on the wall with 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.720 all different time zones. Because as I was watching the 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.839 credits roll after the last episode of After I've Season two, 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:08.640 I see all the credits afterwards. If you let it roll, 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:10.640 you'd obviously be aware of this, but they surprise me 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.639 of it's vi actually every single one hundred and fifty 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:17.360 whatever it is countries in the world, Turkey, it goes 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.400 all Africa, it goes all around the world with all 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.480 the different credits, the little slide of. 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.919 It mad I mean, I translated it into undred and 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:24.720 fifty languages. 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:26.760 I didn't even know they were undred and fifty languages. 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.359 It's incredible. There've got one hundred and seventy million. 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:34.080 Subscribers around the world, so you can imagine when that 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.120 all comes out and exactly the same time, whatever your 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:41.160 time zone. The reaction is incredible. And I see it 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:44.000 on Twitter. I wake up and I've had like eight 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.880 hours worth of people tweeting me through the night from 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.760 all over the world. And I mean it's like the 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:55.160 first few days, it's like a couple of tweets every second. 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:58.760 It was mental and I try and read them and see, 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.480 you know, like them all, but it's crazy. 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.080 You just can't give her. And that grows. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:08.360 Because obviously the first season, it took months for everyone 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.200 who watched it to watch it. People were finding it 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.160 all the time, but those people were waiting for the 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:17.640 second season to come out. So it's like the year's 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:19.839 worth of people who watched the first season watched the 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.479 second in the first few days. So it's been it's 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.520 been phenomenal. But I don't I don't know. I don't 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.720 know the figures really. I know, you know, I know 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:35.280 it goes down well, but I don't know how many 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.960 people watch it in the India and Russia. 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.039 And were you worried about, obviously promoting a show which 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:45.480 is coming out in such an extraordinary time like Lockdown, 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.280 whether a show about grief and those kind of things 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:50.720 would be a buzzkill people would avoid it. 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.520 I wasn't because you've got to ignore those things, because 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:55.960 you know, you can you can read. 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:57.320 Things into anything. 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.320 Like I'll be doing a joke on tour for a 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:04.359 year and then something happens in the news and. 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.000 You've sort of got to acknowledge it. 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.839 But because people think, as you just made that joke tonight, 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.880 after that terrible thing happens, you know, but there's always 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.200 a terrible thing happening. And at least with this, people know, oh, 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:19.039 he must have written this and filmed it a year ago, 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.840 you know, So people understand that. And people watch old 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:26.280 things and new things, and I don't think people are 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:31.120 watching this being reminded of the it's there, you know, 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.480 how could you forget that there's a pandemic? So I 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.760 think if anything, it's escaping them like everything else. And also, 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.240 you know, people are tired of watching TV programs made 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:43.080 of zoom. 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:48.160 The high thing, you. 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:53.240 Know, lovely graining and dove and beautiful sounds great. And 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:57.080 also it's about things that are inside us and they're 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:01.200 always there. No one needs to be reminded that they've 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.200 gone through a grief or worries or anxiety. It's just 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.840 it's always there, and it's sort of about that, and 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:09.160 I think people embrace it. 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:10.640 Because real life's worse. 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:15.720 You know, and the overwhelming reaction was people's emotional response. 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:20.279 We've got three hundred letters my agent. That never happens, 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.560 and it was people telling their personal story. Where people 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.200 come at to me on the street. Usually it's well 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.880 done at the globes or love the office or whatever, 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.640 and this one people would side up to his say, 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.240 I've just got to say, I lost my brother three 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.440 weeks before I watched that and it was amazing. 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.599 That really helped it. It was me, that was me totally. 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:38.240 I went through that. 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:43.520 And so people like things they recognize because people want 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:48.000 to know that they're normal, you know, and everyone's grieving. 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.600 Everyone is grieving to some extent all the time, you know, 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.719 and one in four people suffer from some form of 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:59.039 mental illness, whether it's depression or anxiety or just a 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.040 little bit nervous sometimes around people. You know, it can 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:06.720 be anything. And so people like seeing themselves reflected in 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:10.000 something because it tells them they're not there's nothing wrong 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:13.800 or abnormal about them. And I think people are drawn 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:15.840 to that and they want it to be to discussed 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.480 intelligently and in a funny way. No harm can come 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:23.239 from discussing taboos subjects. We also second guess the public 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:23.960 way too much. 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:27.800 We sit at artists and creator and studios. 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.520 They go or the general public can't take that, or 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.480 they don't like swearing, or they can't take things. But listen, 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.560 real life is steel scarier than fiction, and we create 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.080 our own heroes and villains. There's role playing for the soul. 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:44.680 People love taking themselves through this scary forest of emotions 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.040 and they come out the other side and they're better, 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.760 They feel stronger. Crying makes you feel just as good 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:55.320 as laughing. And I really don't distinguish between sort of 0:07:55.320 --> 0:08:00.120 comedy and drama. It's just it's me facting emotions to 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.840 strangers around the world and and then they download their 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.040 own emotions and and and that's good. That's a that's 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:11.240 a great workout. It makes people feel and that's what's. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:11.760 Great about it. 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.400 Yeah, so true. Isn't it great? Ar what it is music, comedy, 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:19.080 film is about. Actually, it's it's about making us feel 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:23.000 less alone. It's about feeling your feelings better, isn't it Well? 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:23.440 Exactly? 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.320 Because even if you go on I'm not going to 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.640 go there, I'm not going to think about it, You're 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.800 still thinking about it in your subconscious Your stomach is 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:31.600 thinking about it. 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:35.000 You know, you don't get away with it. It comes 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.600 out in your dreams or or something. 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:44.360 And and all the symptoms of anxiety are incredible. They 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.120 feel they all feel like something else. You know, you 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:53.760 can have heart palplications, headaches, temperature. 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:56.680 Upset stomach, you can have all these things that I'm ill. 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.640 And all it is is you're you're feeling. 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:03.280 Anxious or you're worried about something, you know, And I 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:07.960 really think that we're living in a time now there's 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.360 never been a better time to discuss these things. 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:12.920 I think back when I was a kid, a working 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.960 class kid on a counselor estate where you know, it 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:17.920 was all manual workers and. 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.000 The same amount of people were probably depressed. But in 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.760 those days, a bloke, you know, he had a drink 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:27.760 and went to bed. And you know, I think a 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:31.280 number of times when that they weren't diagnosed. 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.160 They were depressed, but they didn't. 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:34.680 Know it, or they didn't want to admit it, or 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:36.600 there was there was no one to talk to. 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:38.400 There was just no one to talk to. 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.439 And you know, it's only been in recent times in 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:42.679 my lifetime. 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.160 Where you know, men can go you. 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:50.480 Know, I think I'm depressed it's really it's incredible. So 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.840 this shining away from stuff, I've never been one for 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:59.079 it either commediately automatically, and people want you to go there. 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.800 They want to, They want to go through this. They 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.560 want to. Whether whether we think they do or not, 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:06.000 they do and they can take it. 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.040 I think, actually, Ricky, I think there's TV show and 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.679 what it really talks about, because actually it starts with 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.440 being about grief. But actually, when I finished watching the 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.320 second season, you will is actually it's about love. And 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:19.960 I think that goes back a lot of your work. 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:21.840 If you go back to David Brent and the office. 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.600 Right to me, if I've got it right or certainly 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:26.400 not my interpretation of it, what does that matter? But 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.560 mind too much. It was a guy that needed a hug. 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.959 It was a guy who was alone, right, struggling, it's scared. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.240 It all comes down to this. We all want to 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.000 be happy. We don't know how to do it. Sometimes 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:44.000 we're sold bad advice people. You know, people think that 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:47.000 fame can make them happy, so they go for that 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:48.400 and they go, oh, I'm not happy. 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.560 Why am I happy? Well, because you're not doing someone 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:51.960 you love, You're not you know. 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.760 I think people don't realize that having work is a 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:59.400 huge thing to tick off before you can feel happy. 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:03.840 You and h and fame is not the place for it, 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.319 you know that. I see these reality shows where people 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:09.240 go on there and they're bordering on you know, mental 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.320 illness in a way, and it's not good for them. 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:12.280 It's not good for them. 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.120 And these people that think, oh, if if I look 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:17.880 could just be loved and accepted by strange. 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.640 That we have to well know that that's not true either. 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.520 You know, you've got to learn to sort of love 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:25.800 yourself and know you're okay inside. 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:27.280 And then there's another problem. 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:31.320 Because narcissism for people people think, well I just love myself. 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.480 Well yeah, but you but you can't love yourself for 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:36.640 no reason. You know, You've got. 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.800 So you've got to make yourself a better person to 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.400 then you know, be proud. 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:45.880 Of yourself in a way. 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.320 So there's all these things, all these things going on 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.080 in our head, right and you know, there's a line 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:54.479 in this one where Tony says, you know, we're chimps 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.880 with brains the size of a planet. No wonder we 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:00.160 go mentally. You know, it's hard. It's all these the 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.720 sight or questions that have been they've been invented by 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:06.520 our evolution. 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:08.400 Our biological evolution. 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:11.200 Has not kept up with all the technology and all 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:14.840 these fads and things. So it is confusing social media 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:19.840 it amplifies all these problems. It's not normal. So of 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:24.080 course people feel anxious. Anxious is A is the new 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:29.920 big illness at the moment. And you're right that all 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:33.680 it comes down to is people want to be loved and. 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:37.280 They sometimes they need a hug. And this is literally 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:38.079 about love as well. 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:42.280 I realized halfway through, right in the second season, this 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:47.040 was a love story. It is, you know, it started 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.720 the high concept is A is a you know, fun 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.400 with a missing throb who's lost everything and he can 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:53.199 say what he wants. 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:56.280 That's you know, that's that's actually the eye first. 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.000 But actually it is a love story between a man 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:03.400 and his wife. It's as simple as that. And again 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.720 all his confusions, he doesn't he's going through the seventh 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.719 stages of grief. We hit the ground running with sort 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:14.240 of like denial, shock, anger. Now he's going through negotiations saying, so, okay, 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:15.640 why why should I stay around? 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:16.400 It? Ask the big. 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:20.760 Question if you lose everything, his life's worth living? And 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:24.040 he keeps He asked himself that question every day. And 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:28.840 he needs reasons. He needs reasons to stay alive. And 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:32.480 he's trying. He's trying stuff. In the first season he 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:38.120 tried violence and drugs didn't help. Now he's trying kindness 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.120 and you know, and again it doesn't always work, because 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.920 it's got to be real. If you know you've got 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.960 you've got to feel good in your own head. That's 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:50.360 all that matters. It doesn't matter what's happening outside. 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.640 It doesn't matter what stunny or rain, doesn't matter. There's 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.320 a war on. If you're not good in your own head, 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:57.160 you're not good. That's it. 0:13:57.720 --> 0:13:59.520 Yeah, I thought at the end of it, especially the 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:03.040 last three episodes of season two, it felt like it 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.240 was a love letter to love. You know, the love 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.360 you have for your friends, the love you have for 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.760 hopefully your partner. And when it's not there, what is grief. 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.320 It's the it's the yearning, it's the betting for the 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.640 love that is still there in you but not obviously 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.800 externally and around you. Then trying to find your way 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:20.800 into a new love. And the last line, I don't 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:22.120 want to ruin it for people who haven't seen it, 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.880 yet the last line just flawed me. I literally just 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.960 open me up. It was one of the most beautiful lines. 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:36.160 It comes out of nowhere and it's so tender, well done. Ricky. 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.040 I think it's your. I actually think it's not you. 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:41.320 It's your most personal work so far. And I don't 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.360 think you could have written this and performed it so 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:46.960 well twenty or thirty years ago, because I get the 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.400 feeling that when we get into the kind of second 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.360 half of our lives, you want to try and make 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.840 sure you're saying all the stuff that's actually really important. 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:57.720 That's absolutely right. 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.640 You suddenly realize that although cliches the cliches for a. 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:06.800 Reason, they're absolutely true. They're absolutely true, that the. 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:13.960 Big things are things like love and oneness and kindness 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:20.040 and all these things. It's like, you know, you have 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.360 to Everyone knows it deep down, but they have to 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:27.240 go through it and realize that it's uh. 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:29.240 And if you can, you. 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.160 Know, the earlier you realize that that, I think the 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.320 better life you'll have. But it is hard because there's 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:40.640 there's so many there's so many I don't know, diversions. 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:41.160 You know. 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.880 The new thing about it was fame and people fell 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:47.120 for it. They thought fame would make them happy. And 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.200 also now with social media, everyone's living a line and 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:54.600 everyone's believing it. People see, you know, people with these 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.120 amazing filters next to a bot that isn't there, and 0:15:58.240 --> 0:15:59.960 people go, well, I'm a failure. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.920 I'm a failure. Then I need abbs in a boat. 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.240 Now you don't. You don't need abs in a boat. 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:09.600 You need friends. That's what you need, and you need honesty. 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.720 And when I when I was growing up, right as 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:16.840 I say, I was the. 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.000 Fourth child of an immigrant labor on a counselor state, 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.280 a poor counter state. We had no money at all, 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.800 and my mum was a you know, a homemaker and 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:28.160 she could do everything she could. 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:30.200 She grew a verst. 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:34.000 Well she'd cooked, she's sold, she made clothes, she decorated, 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.880 she did everything with no money. And she gave me 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:41.040 everything except money, right, and that made me realize that 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:46.160 the best things were free. That was nature, learning and friends. 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.720 And that hasn't changed. It hasn't changed. 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.240 It never will. It just never will. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.480 And you know the end, But what a tiny mine 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:00.440 because actually with it, I think the messages to come 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.640 out of after like season two are actually just what 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:07.119 the world needs right now, because as we're forced to 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.919 go inside our houses and making us go inside and 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.880 spend time with ourselves, and most of us don't want 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.720 to do that. You find any which way of spending 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.960 actually time with yourself because stuff starts coming up about 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.080 you know, are you happy in life? What's it all about? 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.520 The struggle of it all? And actually, right now we're 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:25.439 being forced to do that. So I think this is 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:27.160 the perfect time for your show to come out. 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.800 I mean, I think people are probably speaking to their 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:35.920 family more than they did. You know, you're certainly concerned, 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:37.680 and you think, oh, yeah, that's important. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.960 I want them around, don't I don't want anything to 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:48.760 happen to them? And I totally agree. And it does 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.120 make you reflect and you want to if you miss 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.400 the things you didn't know you missed. I don't pot 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:55.240 around the shots. 0:17:55.720 --> 0:18:02.320 I can't wait to now I can't. It's like it's 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.720 it's it's it's yeah. 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.600 So yeah, and this show is about that as well. 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:12.159 This shows about the mundane being important, and the ordinance 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.800 being extraordinary and and a tiny life. 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:15.800 Everyone's got up. 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:20.760 Everyone's life is their universe, and we're all the same. 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:21.720 We're all the same. 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.720 And as soon as you realize, as soon as you 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:28.240 really get true empathy, you sort of go towards one 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:31.760 this as soon as you realize that even though you 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:36.840 think you're having the worst day ever, that everyone thinks, 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:37.960 you certainly. 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:43.240 Start thinking, maybe my life's not the bad. Maybe there's 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:44.280 that saying, isn't. 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:46.920 It that if the world got together and put all 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.200 their problems in the hat, and it took them out 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:54.320 and experienced everyone else's life, they'd want to return with 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.000 their own problems. They'd want to take their own problems 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:58.640 home with them, the ones they've put in the hat. 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.800 And I think I think it's true. I think it's true. 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:05.679 I you know, they say, and obviously you do right 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:07.520 about what you know. And this is where you are 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.800 in your life right now, and you're reflecting your stand 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:13.399 up and then your work as well. I know last 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:15.360 year because I actually sent you an email going where 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:17.679 did you get the mop from? On social media? You 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.640 are very excited you brought some new amazing mop. I'm 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.919 watching After Nice season two, and when the character starts 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.760 talking about this amazing mop and it starts going into 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:30.960 so much detail, I'm thinking, that's your that's your mop. 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:39.080 I dislike the idea, but it's you know, people would 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:42.679 be annoyed at a thoughtless present because it's suggested that 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:44.479 they're the ones that's going to do the mopping. 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.320 And that was obviously the comedity, which she's feeling sorry 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.520 for herself. Yeah, and I like the juxtaposition that she 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.800 suddenly realized that she's moaning about getting a mop and 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:57.199 not being happy yet at thirty and she's talking to 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:01.000 a man who's just lost his wife that as well, 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:04.480 And again it was an ined for her to say 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:10.159 she feels sorry to him for saying, oh, sort of 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:13.600 just be happy. And that was an important issue that 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:17.120 I learned from all the reactions to series one, because 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:22.040 I realized that I had to treat it responsibly because 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:26.000 people suddenly identified with the grief. I couldn't just have 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.560 him snap out of it, because that's not real. You 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.840 don't just get better, you don't just you know, many 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.720 times I tweeted once that saying to someone with depression 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:38.440 to just snap out of it is rather like saying 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.480 for someone just stop having cancer. 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:46.080 It's not that easy, you know. And so that was 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:48.239 that scene. But yes, I did buy him Mark. I 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:51.840 was very excited by it, and it worked. A tree 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:54.200 worked a tree. Thanks for asses. 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.520 That's all right, And so are you? Are you enjoying 0:20:57.560 --> 0:20:59.840 the lack of meetings because in your line of work 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:01.639 on one of the worst is is you have to 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.320 have a lot of meetings, And are you enjoying that 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:05.600 now you can do quite a lot of them on 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:07.480