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Speaker 1: Crown and the twenty twenty two program promises to be

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Speaker 1: that was and joining me this morning, I have got

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Speaker 1: well Josh Burgoyne from the COLP, Good morning.

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Speaker 2: To you, Good morning, Katie, Good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: And we've got the Independent Member for ORALU and Robin Lamley,

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Speaker 1: good morning to you, Good morning Katie. And we've got

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Speaker 1: well the Minister for Major Events, Paul Kirby. Good morning

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Speaker 3: Good morning everyone. It's pretty nice to be out here,

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely spectacular. Lucky we're in probably one of the

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Speaker 7: Very well know, Robert, the first thing you do is

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Speaker 5: What you've just described, then Katie is an AKAC Commissioner

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Speaker 3: We do have to plug that hard. We do have

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Speaker 7: And when we've got a pay freeze, crime levels out

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Speaker 4: You're dead right, and the racing industry does bring a

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Speaker 3: He'll be working pretty hard with him.

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Speaker 4: He'll bring some recommendations back in for us to look

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Speaker 1: So is an option that they no longer like that

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure what level of detailed chance he has

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Speaker 4: You wouldn't want to strip a big bunch of funding

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Speaker 3: And put their industry at risk with.

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Speaker 5: It's a monumental cover up. The government gave this funding

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Speaker 5: I mean that's all. This is nothing more, nothing less,

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Speaker 5: My husband's no longer the chairman of the Alae Springs

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Speaker 6: So the bloody say what I want now?

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Speaker 5: That grandstand at the Darwin Turf Club is beautiful. Now

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Speaker 5: I remember when my husband said Brett Dixon got the contract.

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Speaker 5: she didn't. Not at any point did she tell us

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Speaker 7: I was that a bit of an admission by you today,

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Speaker 4: I think you've just haired Robin layout exactly what happened.

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Speaker 4: I know that people sometimes seek when there's a change

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Speaker 7: who you talk to or where you go, prices of

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Speaker 7: everything are going up. So it's really important to recognize that.

446
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Speaker 7: And I would be interested to hear, you know, what

447
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Speaker 7: the Antique government are doing to try and lower that

448
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Speaker 7: cost of living for everyday territorians.

449
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Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously there's.

450
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Speaker 4: A few levers that we can pull fuel prices and

451
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Speaker 4: rent prices across the board. You know, they're dictated by

452
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Speaker 4: a range of different factors, and the majority of those

453
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Speaker 4: that government can't control. But we certainly understand that having

454
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Speaker 4: people here working in the Northern Territory. There was a

455
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Speaker 4: number of retailers that were interviewed through the course of

456
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Speaker 4: the week that spoke really highly as Robin just has about,

457
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Speaker 4: you know, the necessity to pay people more, particularly those

458
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Speaker 4: really low paid people, to make sure they can afford

459
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Speaker 4: to have food on the table, they can afford to

460
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Speaker 4: stay in the territory, they can afford to meet those

461
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Speaker 4: rents if they have gone up recently.

462
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Speaker 3: But yeah, it will be a tight time, well, I know.

463
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Speaker 1: As will in other states. So in Can's my understanding

464
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Speaker 1: is at the moment that they're sort of offering first

465
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Speaker 1: class flights to try and get people to come across

466
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Speaker 1: from other you know, from other countries to come and

467
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Speaker 1: work and some other different you know, like different bits

468
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Speaker 1: and pieces to try and get them and then they've

469
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Speaker 1: got to obviously stay for a certain period of time.

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Speaker 1: I know at different times we've looked at things like this,

471
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Speaker 1: but is that what we need to look at here?

472
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Speaker 1: Do we need to sort of go you know, if

473
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Speaker 1: we're trying to get people to work in the Northern Territory,

474
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Speaker 1: we've got to give them some kind of bonus to

475
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Speaker 1: get here in the first place.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've absolutely recognized that quite some time ago. We've

477
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Speaker 4: set up a worker attraction group with a lot of

478
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Speaker 4: peak bodies and a lot of Darwin's very well respected

479
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Speaker 4: business people on there that do look overseas. As I said,

480
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Speaker 4: absolute passion to train more territories, that's always going to

481
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Speaker 4: be our first option.

482
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Speaker 3: But for a range.

483
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Speaker 4: Of different industries that do always look overseas, there's a

484
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Speaker 4: twelve point eight million dollar package for people to come

485
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Speaker 4: to us to look at how they can get assistance

486
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Speaker 4: to go overseas to work in areas that we do

487
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Speaker 4: traditionally already.

488
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Speaker 3: Working to bring workers back.

489
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Speaker 4: The visa process that's orchestrated federally, it can be convoluted

490
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Speaker 4: to work through. So we'll be certainly working with Andre

491
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Speaker 4: Giles and new federal Immigration Minister to try and make

492
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Speaker 4: that as easy as possible.

493
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Speaker 7: What's going to happen with the first home builders grant

494
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Speaker 7: because Mother Territory used to be one of the most

495
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Speaker 7: you know, it used to be a great place to

496
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Speaker 7: come and build your first home because there were so

497
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Speaker 7: many grants available. I think now we've gone from one

498
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Speaker 7: of the best in the country to one of the worst.

499
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Speaker 7: Is the anti Labour government looking to bring those incentives

500
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Speaker 7: back so that we can actually build more homes and

501
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Speaker 7: take the pressure off that rental space.

502
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Speaker 4: There's a range of levers that you pull as the

503
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Speaker 4: economy changes through the course of time, and certainly there

504
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Speaker 4: was a time when we first came into power there

505
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Speaker 4: was plenty of people that were leaving the territory on

506
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Speaker 4: the back of the Impacts project. There was eight thousand

507
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Speaker 4: workers that were no longer going to have jobs there,

508
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Speaker 4: so we had to put a lot of money into

509
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Speaker 4: into Darwin and Northern Territory based projects and infrastructure projects,

510
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Speaker 4: and certainly having a big amount of assistance for people

511
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Speaker 4: to build their own houses was an initiative that we

512
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Speaker 4: had to lock in behind. As things have freed up

513
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Speaker 4: and more people were staying in the territory and more

514
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Speaker 4: people were looking to build.

515
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Speaker 3: Houses, we were able to release that slightly.

516
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Speaker 4: But they're all levers that you look to over the

517
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Speaker 4: course of when you do your budget, when you set

518
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Speaker 4: your budget and when you reviewer every year of what

519
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 4: money you're putting into the public domain.

520
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Speaker 3: And how it can help.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the I mean the real difficulty is

522
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Speaker 1: as well, isn't it Like if we do get workers

523
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Speaker 1: to come to the Northern Territory, it is tough for

524
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Speaker 1: them to find somewhere to live. You know, that's a

525
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Speaker 1: really like that's going to be the really difficult part

526
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Speaker 1: at the moment. And the rents are incredibly high. We

527
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Speaker 1: all understand that. I mean you've just touched on the

528
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Speaker 1: first home buyers or the first time builders as well.

529
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Speaker 1: But if you you know, if you are somebody that's

530
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Speaker 1: maybe traveling around Australia, you're wanting to spend some time

531
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Speaker 1: in the territory, it'd be tough to find somewhere to

532
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Speaker 1: stay right now, and to be able to find somewhere

533
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Speaker 1: affordable to stay.

534
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Speaker 5: It really amazes me, Katie, because during the IMPECX boom

535
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Speaker 5: period there was a lack of housing, there were rents

536
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Speaker 5: were astronomically high, and here we are again entering another

537
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Speaker 5: phase like that. I mean, everything that we said we

538
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Speaker 5: wouldn't do, we're doing again.

539
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Speaker 4: The six years in between those have been remarkably different times.

540
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Speaker 4: There was absolutely well, that's.

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Speaker 1: Right, I was bloody, you know, I was slamming the

542
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Speaker 1: government for not doing it enough to get the economy going.

543
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Speaker 1: And you know, I think we all get that that

544
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Speaker 1: those times do change and we don't want to see

545
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Speaker 1: sort of so, you know, we don't want to see

546
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Speaker 1: such an influx of you know, housing that then you've

547
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Speaker 1: got everybody with empty homes. That's some you know at

548
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Speaker 1: any point. But I guess the thing is we're trying

549
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Speaker 1: to build industry as well, aren't we, so that we're

550
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Speaker 1: not in this situation. We're trying to diversify the economy

551
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Speaker 1: as well, so that we're not just reliant on one

552
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Speaker 1: particular industry. And it is such an interesting time, but

553
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Speaker 1: there are so many factors at play. I guess the

554
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Speaker 1: problem though, like we've said right now, is that you know,

555
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Speaker 1: we need workers, but don't necessarily have somewhere that's affordable for.

556
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Speaker 5: We haven't had any new land for sale and Alice

557
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Speaker 5: Springs for years now, and the government keeps promising and

558
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Speaker 5: promising but not delivering.

559
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Speaker 7: It's something that's frustrated. Like the Kilgarith of State. You know,

560
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Speaker 7: there's so many blocks of land there that should be.

561
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Speaker 2: Ready to go.

562
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Speaker 7: We're basically at stage two A and there's been another

563
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Speaker 7: delay because there's been a crack and a sewer pipe

564
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Speaker 7: out there. So now people that were told they were

565
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Speaker 7: going to get their block aline in December have had

566
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Speaker 7: to wait till March or no, it's going to be

567
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Speaker 7: delayed again. And we've just asked in estimates that's going

568
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Speaker 7: to be delayed by another two months. So you've got

569
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Speaker 7: you know, people wanting to come here, wanting to come here, Caddy.

570
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Speaker 2: You know, there's a good news story.

571
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Speaker 7: But like you said, they come here, where are they

572
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Speaker 7: going to live and where are they're going to rent?

573
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Speaker 7: Because at the moment, you know, the options are prelimited and.

574
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Speaker 5: The circumstances are different between Darwin and everywhere else. I

575
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Speaker 5: think there needs to be a Darwin policy of economic

576
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Speaker 5: growth and generating housing and all the things that we

577
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Speaker 5: need to survive, but also a different policy for the regions,

578
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Speaker 5: which is happening in other states.

579
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Speaker 1: Yeah right. One good thing that did happen throughout the

580
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Speaker 1: week for a lot of Territorians was the fact that

581
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territories Public Health emergency declaration of course ceased

582
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday. We also know that masks, well, you've still

583
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Speaker 1: got to wear them on the plane but I think

584
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Speaker 1: it's as of tomorrow, you don't need to wear them

585
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Speaker 1: inside the airports.

586
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Speaker 6: Side the airport.

587
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think a lot of people quite happy

588
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Speaker 1: with that, you know, quite happy that they're sort of

589
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Speaker 1: feeling as though, dare I say it, we're moving back

590
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Speaker 1: towards normal normal.

591
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Speaker 2: I can tell you it's someone with a young baby.

592
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Speaker 7: Whenever I walk in that airport and put the mask on,

593
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Speaker 7: Lily just thinks it's her job to rip it off.

594
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Speaker 7: And I tell you what, I do my absolute best

595
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Speaker 7: to put it back on. But yeah, she does think

596
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Speaker 7: it's a bit of a game. So I'm glad to

597
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Speaker 7: hear that we are moving back to that, that new normal.

598
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Speaker 7: I don't know how many new normals we've had CADI,

599
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Speaker 7: but we've been through a few. But obviously this is

600
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Speaker 7: what we need to be moving towards now, you know,

601
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Speaker 7: living with COVID, we've seen that the flu has now

602
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Speaker 7: come on and I was knocked down by it myself.

603
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Speaker 2: You know, it was just incredible.

604
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Speaker 7: I was doing that many rats, thinking surely I've got

605
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Speaker 7: COVID note knocked down by the flu and Antley the

606
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 7: man flu exactly curves and it it took it out

607
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Speaker 7: of me exactly right, And I've had mates that have

608
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Speaker 7: done the same thing. So you know, obviously we've been

609
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Speaker 7: sort of locked up for two years. Now we're being

610
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Speaker 7: exposed to these things again. It's knocking us around a bit.

611
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Speaker 7: We need to get back on with it.

612
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Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly the health professionals told us that that there

613
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Speaker 4: would be a couple of really bad flu seasons once

614
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Speaker 4: people did start traveling around it, and I guess.

615
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: All of those those.

616
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Speaker 4: Health restrictions that had been in place started to lift.

617
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Speaker 4: So we certainly do want to see people look after themselves.

618
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Speaker 4: If you do need to stay home to look after yourself,

619
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Speaker 4: please do continue to do that because we don't want

620
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Speaker 4: to spread the flu anymore.

621
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Speaker 3: And we have to, but it is. It is the

622
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Speaker 3: new way of living with COVID in the Northern Territory.

623
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Speaker 4: But it is great to see people out and about

624
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Speaker 4: people being able to come to events like this.

625
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Speaker 3: It's going to be a cracking weekend.

626
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Speaker 4: I guess in the top end or right through the

627
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Speaker 4: territory you've just had basing the grass, then the footy

628
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 4: weekend the feet down south. So it really is getting

629
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Speaker 4: back to people being able to come to the territory

630
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Speaker 4: and do exactly what we love doing.

631
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Speaker 1: We're going to take a very short break. You are,

632
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Speaker 1: of course listening to Mix one O four point nine's

633
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Speaker 1: three point sixty. It is the week that was coming

634
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Speaker 1: to you live from the Merlin Darwin Triple Crown. Well

635
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Speaker 1: we are coming to you live today from the Merlin

636
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Speaker 1: Darwin Triple Crown. And with me it's Josh Burgoyne, Robin

637
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Speaker 1: Lamley and Paul Kirby. Now there is a bit to

638
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Speaker 1: cover off. I know that that Channel nine they got

639
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Speaker 1: their hands on the latest crime statistics yesterday and I

640
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Speaker 1: think they're going to be officially launched or released I

641
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: should say a little bit later today. But the numbers

642
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Speaker 1: are pretty eygh watering. Commercial break ins well upper staggering

643
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Speaker 1: eighty seven percent in Darwin, five businesses broken into in

644
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Speaker 1: one night, reportedly according to Channel nine last night at

645
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Speaker 1: Fanny Bay, a ninety four percent increase in Catherine. When

646
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Speaker 1: it comes to commercial break ins, now, house breakin's up

647
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: sixty four percent in Darwin, seventeen percent in Palmerston, up

648
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Speaker 1: forty five percent across the Northern Territory. Now, Josh and

649
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Speaker 1: Robin Alice Springs where you guys are from, I don't

650
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Speaker 1: have those stats at this point, but hopefully we'll have

651
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Speaker 1: those at midday to day. I think it's probably safe

652
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Speaker 1: to assume that it's a trend that has continued in

653
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Speaker 1: Central Australia.

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Speaker 6: They're shocking statistics.

655
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Speaker 7: They are, and we've just dar we've just recently seen

656
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Speaker 7: in Ella Springs a local business owner who's really been

657
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Speaker 7: pushed to the edge. And I do want to mention

658
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Speaker 7: Garth Thompson. He owns the local Jet Corps motorcycle shop

659
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Speaker 7: and Ella Springs he's recently had his shop run into

660
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Speaker 7: by a vehicle. He's just finished putting up bollard's up

661
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Speaker 7: the front and he's now been broken into again. And

662
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Speaker 7: it's really pushing business owners to the edge. Katie, and

663
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Speaker 7: I think we see this right across the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 7: You know we talked I think you spoke about the

665
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Speaker 7: Funny Bay supermarket earlier or I was certainly mentioned last

666
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Speaker 7: night on nine News. Business owners are just being pushed

667
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 7: to the ed by this endless crime and we do

668
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 7: have to ask when is it going to end? When

669
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Speaker 7: is the government finally going to wake up and change

670
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 7: your current settings, because that's what we need. We've had

671
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Speaker 7: the Chief Minister. Change, she's come now the Springs and

672
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Speaker 7: I heard the mayor of Alice Springs on radio say, look,

673
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 7: you've got two weeks, Chief Minister. Things need to change.

674
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Speaker 7: Otherwise we will be writing more letters, we will be

675
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Speaker 7: seeking more help from other people who can help us

676
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Speaker 7: in regards to this crime crisis that we're facing, Katie.

677
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Speaker 5: More can be done, that's the bottom line. More can

678
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Speaker 5: be done. Just this morning I was reading about New Zealand.

679
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 5: They're having a bit of a crime wave over there, right,

680
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 5: gang violence, really extreme, an increase in extreme violent behavior,

681
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Speaker 5: and they are taking measures. This is a labor New

682
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Speaker 5: Zealand government. They're taking very strong measures to try and

683
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Speaker 5: crack down.

684
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Speaker 1: Right, what are they trying to do?

685
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Speaker 5: Well, I don't know. That's the next step of my investigation.

686
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Speaker 5: And in fact I read it this morning and thought

687
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Speaker 5: I need to probably go over there and have find

688
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 5: out we need to do more and we can do more.

689
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Speaker 5: I just don't accept this line that you get, these

690
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 5: motherhood statements, these platitudes saying absolutely nothing. Yes, we care

691
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 5: about people, we know it's really bad, but nothing happens.

692
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Speaker 1: Well, I think the difference that we've got at the

693
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Speaker 1: moment is that, you know, the current government, Natasha Philes

694
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Speaker 1: as the Chief Minister, has got the good will of

695
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Speaker 1: the territory behind her. People actually really want to see

696
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Speaker 1: the government do well. I haven't seen this, you know,

697
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen such a sort of you know, that

698
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Speaker 1: kind of change in attitude territories. They're so hopeful and

699
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Speaker 1: I think that that is such an advantage that the

700
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Speaker 1: government's got right now, where you really have the good

701
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Speaker 1: will of territorians behind you. People want to see you

702
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Speaker 1: do well because they want the Northern Territory to succeed.

703
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Speaker 1: But you know, the area that they really need to

704
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Speaker 1: see some action in is crime. I know it's not

705
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Speaker 1: an easy fix. I know that the you know that

706
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Speaker 1: what we have heard is how many times we could

707
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Speaker 1: you know, if there was an easy fix, it would

708
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Speaker 1: be happening already. But you know, fundamentally, people need to

709
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Speaker 1: feel safe. They need to feel as though they're able

710
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Speaker 1: to run a business without having to worry about being

711
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Speaker 1: broken into. We understand that these kinds of things can't

712
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Speaker 1: be stopped one hundred percent of the time all of

713
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Speaker 1: the time. But what's happening now? You know these numbers,

714
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Speaker 1: I mean a ninety four percent increase the stats sort

715
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Speaker 1: of speak for themselves.

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Speaker 4: Understand and acknowledge everything that everybody's said. We've got a

717
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 4: different round of cars on the track is going to

718
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Speaker 4: make it a bit harder to year. But these numbers

719
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Speaker 4: are from a little earlier in the year, so understanding

720
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Speaker 4: what people are saying that things need to change. Some

721
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Speaker 4: things have changed our return to country programs. If you

722
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 4: move around Darwin at the moment, you see a lot

723
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Speaker 4: less people sleeping rough in the town that the that

724
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Speaker 4: there was back at the time when these figures come through.

725
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Speaker 4: But there is no excuse for businesses. It is so

726
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Speaker 4: tough to run a business in the Northern Territory. We

727
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 4: are putting together a range of different assistants through the

728
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Speaker 4: BEES Secure programs.

729
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Speaker 1: So new new stuff.

730
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Speaker 4: New opportunities for people, whether it's through better funding arrangements

731
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Speaker 4: for some of the facilities, for some of the programs

732
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Speaker 4: for securing businesses, whether that be through shutters, whether it

733
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Speaker 4: be to assist with bollards, whether it be to assist

734
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Speaker 4: with other arrangements that people need to put in place

735
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Speaker 4: to try and make sure their businesses are secure.

736
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Speaker 1: But it's one of those things. So we're you know,

737
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Speaker 1: we're sort of not stopping the behavior before it reaches

738
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Speaker 1: that point. And I get that that's not an easy

739
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Speaker 1: thing to be able to do, But we are still dealing,

740
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Speaker 1: you know, like we're still dealing with the issue. I

741
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: know that you you know, everybody that's sitting here must

742
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Speaker 1: be incredibly frustrated by it the way that anybody wants

743
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Speaker 1: as going on.

744
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Speaker 5: Understanding, I wake up every morning and think about crime

745
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 5: and wonder what's happened in Alice Springs overnight, who's been

746
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 5: ripped off or assaulted. It's front and center. Josh, you

747
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Speaker 5: would be the same.

748
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Speaker 7: It's incredible. It's definitely the number one thing that comes

749
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Speaker 7: through the office. And what frustrates me so much is

750
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Speaker 7: that we see all this happening, yet we don't see

751
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Speaker 7: any large, large scale changes. This must be costing the

752
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 7: economy millions of dollars, yet we're not spending those same

753
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Speaker 7: millions of dollars to stop it happening. We've got but

754
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Speaker 7: Bernie Shakeshaft, who's been mentioned a few times in Ola Springs,

755
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 7: coming to Alice Springs on the twenty fourth.

756
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to get a meeting with him.

757
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Speaker 7: This is a guy that's got the backtracks program happening

758
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Speaker 7: in Armidale, which has seen huge reductions in crime in

759
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Speaker 7: that city.

760
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Speaker 2: So why aren't we going to this bloke. Let's sit

761
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Speaker 2: down with him and say what do we need to

762
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Speaker 2: do in our community. Let's all work together.

763
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Speaker 7: On this to actually see a serious change. We need

764
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Speaker 7: to stop what we're doing because it's not working. That's

765
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Speaker 7: the harsh reality. All the money we're spending right now

766
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 7: is getting us no results. That is the harsh reality.

767
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Speaker 7: Gating things are getting worse.

768
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Speaker 2: So let's stop what we're doing.

769
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Speaker 7: Let's invest in a new program, and let's really push

770
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Speaker 7: to make these things happen.

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Speaker 1: We king to have a chat to that bloke if

772
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Speaker 1: you do end up getting in contact with him, to

773
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Speaker 1: find out more about that program. But I do want

774
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Speaker 1: to take you across to a story which is being

775
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Speaker 1: reported this morning by the ABC Online by reporter Oliver Gordon. Now,

776
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Speaker 1: the ABC has obtained a letter which has been signed

777
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Speaker 1: by all teachers at Tenant Creek High School in the

778
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory of Course, stating every single one of them

779
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: feels unsafe at work. Now. This letter reflects the school

780
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Speaker 1: at breaking point, describing an increase in violence towards teachers,

781
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Speaker 1: low attendance rates, and crippling staffing shortages. In the letter,

782
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Speaker 1: teachers at that school, obviously, which as we all know,

783
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Speaker 1: SIT's about five hundred kilometers north of Vallas, they've said

784
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Speaker 1: that they need urgent help to go on teaching. One teacher,

785
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Speaker 1: who provided a statement to the ABC on the condition

786
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Speaker 1: of being anonymous, said that the school was traumatizing for

787
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Speaker 1: students and staff. I mean, that is bloody scary, Katie.

788
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Speaker 5: I heard that report on ABC radio this morning, and

789
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Speaker 5: quite frankly, I was not surprised. We hear this sort

790
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Speaker 5: of stuff every day. Yeah, Paul, it's your government.

791
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Speaker 7: It's the escalator, the power, it's the escalator. It's the

792
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 7: escalation that I we really worry about, Katie. And you're

793
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 7: right when you chat to principles, when you chatter school teachers.

794
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Speaker 2: This wasn't a surprise, Robin.

795
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Speaker 7: You're one hundred percent right when you wake up And

796
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 7: this was on a federal ABC morning you know slot

797
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 7: this morning that this story has been broadcast to the

798
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 7: nation about what's happening in the Northern Territory. And we

799
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 7: talk about trying to attract more people here, teachers, health workers, gee,

800
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 7: things like this, they really work again.

801
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Speaker 5: Ultimately, this is about the behavior of children at school.

802
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 6: Well, but they're being traumatized.

803
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Speaker 1: It's pretty it's pretty terrible.

804
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Speaker 4: It actually goes, as I'm sure all of us will acknowledge,

805
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 4: it goes well beyond the behavior of the children at school.

806
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 4: One of the things, and I haven't heard or seen

807
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 4: this report, that one of the things that you mentioned, Katie,

808
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 4: was about attendance. Now that's a community and a parental

809
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 4: issue that we're certainly trying to address, Kate Warden, working

810
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 4: closely with the Education Minister. We've seen evil law ago

811
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Speaker 4: back as education minister. There's not a person in the

812
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 4: territory that knows more about education than even But kids

813
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 4: behaving at school obviously not a new issue, but ten

814
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Speaker 4: and Creek is a significant issue. We know that there's

815
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Speaker 4: concerns in that town, but it's not just a school issue.

816
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Speaker 4: Having attendants, having the support around those families to make

817
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 4: sure kids can get the sleep that they need, that

818
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 4: the parents have got the support that they need to

819
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Speaker 4: get their children a decent education. Otherwise the next time

820
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Speaker 4: that there's a generational change, these kids will be.

821
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Speaker 1: In this world. And the problem that you've got as

822
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: well though, and I think that this is probably the

823
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Speaker 1: case in Ella Springs too, is if you've got teachers

824
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: then that don't feel safe teaching at the school, how

825
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: do the other kids that are trying to attend the school,

826
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Speaker 1: that are behaving well and actually want to get an education,

827
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Speaker 1: how they going, And then how their families feeling. You've

828
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: reached the toil too well, but you've reached the point

829
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: where you'd be thinking, Okay, we need to actually move

830
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: our family somewhere else or we can't deal with it.

831
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Speaker 1: So that's a really big concern.

832
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Speaker 6: So it's interesting.

833
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Speaker 5: Yesterday in budget estimates, the Minister for Mining, Nicole Manister

834
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Speaker 5: Manison was saying about how there's all these potential minds

835
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Speaker 5: about to come on board in the Barkley and my

836
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 5: question to her was, how do you expect people to

837
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Speaker 5: move to the Barkway to staff these minds when you've

838
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 5: got crime completely out of control? And her response was, well,

839
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Speaker 5: there's crime everywhere. There's crime in Spain, there's crime, pickpockets

840
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 5: around the Eiffel Tower in Paris.

841
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Speaker 1: She said, Look, I didn't hear that yesterday, but I

842
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: did hear earlier in the week a discussion and a

843
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: line that I have heard from the government at different times,

844
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: and that is stopped talking the territory down question is

845
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: asked about about crime. Now, I've said it before and

846
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: i'll say it again. I just think it's a really

847
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: disrespectful thing to say, because it's the people who are

848
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: then impacted by crime that feel like you're gas lighting them.

849
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: You know, they feel as though they're being sort of

850
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: ignored and like it's not an issue when it is

851
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: an issue. Look, you know we've spoken about this issue

852
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: so many times on this show, Kurves. You know I've

853
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: interviewed you so many times about it as well. I've

854
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: interviewed all of the government ministers about it on so

855
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: many occasions. All I will say, and I'll say it again,

856
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: is we've got to do something in this space. There

857
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: has to be a.

858
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 5: Change, Katie. Disadvantage does not mean crime. I speak to

859
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 5: disadvantage families in Alice Springs all the time, who are

860
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 5: just as angry and as desperate and as disappointed as

861
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 5: the rest of us. When it comes to crime. You're

862
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 5: not talking about the whole community. You're not talking about

863
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 5: every disadvantage family in the territory having generating this crime.

864
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 6: It is not on that scale.

865
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Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to have to take a

866
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Speaker 1: short break. You are indeed listening to the week that

867
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: was coming to your live today from the Hidden Valley Raceway.

868
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: We are broadcasting from the Merlin Darwin Triple Crown right

869
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: here on mixed one oh four nine. Well, hearts certainly

870
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: are racing down here at Hidden Valley. It is pretty loud.

871
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: It's wonderful. We love being here broadcasting from the Merlin

872
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: Darwin Triple Crown. And of course we have got Josh

873
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: Burgo and Robin Lambley and Paul Kirby here. Now before

874
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: we wrap up this morning, I did just want to

875
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: make mention of a really great story that I'd seen

876
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory News that Cam Smith, I believe

877
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: had written. It said, Salvaging hope from the ashes of

878
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: a fire that destroyed his thirty year business has been

879
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: quicker than expected for Carcom owner Tony Copley. Now, hours

880
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: after locking up his Bishop Street location in Woolner, his

881
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: auto electrical business, he answered the phone and he found

882
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: out that his building was in flames. You might recall

883
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: this happened just you know, about a week ago. It

884
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: was a terrible situation. Now, what is absolutely wonderful is

885
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: that you know, essentially territorians are banded around him to

886
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: help him. So he said, you know that people have

887
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: been awesome across the board. The community response has been insane,

888
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: with people ringing up office of furniture and sheds and

889
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: tools and space parts from our friends and the general public.

890
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: My understanding is that he also received really significant contribution

891
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: from Cafe twenty one. Are the wonderful owners there who

892
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: own a building very nearby, and he's been able to

893
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: move in there. And what I love is I think

894
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: it just shows the way that Territorians absolutely support each other.

895
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: You know, when the chips are down, that's when our

896
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: spirit comes through.

897
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: I think you're right that territory spirit is alive.

898
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 4: And well that must have been GENNI um, that has

899
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 4: been very graciously yes, yes, yes, but an amazing story.

900
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 4: I guess if you've spent some time in the territory,

901
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 4: you know the history of the territory, you know that

902
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 4: whenever our backs are to the wall, whether that's from

903
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 4: the bombing of Darwen through to the cyclone suit or

904
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 4: the other catastrophes that happen from time to time, it's

905
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 4: when people dig in behind each other, is when our

906
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 4: community comes to the fore.

907
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 5: I think we're a small community, and I think at

908
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 5: the essence, we do care about each other. Despite all

909
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 5: our problems, despite this monumental crime problem we're facing, we

910
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 5: care and we're willing to extend ourselves and help each other.

911
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 7: It's a wonderful story, Katie. I mean, right before, I

912
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 7: think we had a young guy who got his motorbike stolen,

913
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 7: and again everyone pitched in. He got his motorbike, but

914
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 7: came up dew List and had a great thinking. You know,

915
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 7: in this story here, it's good to hear that everyone's

916
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 7: reaching out. And that's what we love about the territory.

917
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 7: It's why we love I love living here. It's the

918
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 7: people that are so warm and we're going to help

919
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 7: one another out.

920
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so true. Well, that's been the week that

921
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: was for this week. What an incredible what an incredible

922
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: location to be broadcasting from here at the Supercars. It

923
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: has been absolutely amazing. Quite noisy, but not for our listeners. Apparently,

924
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm told that they can hear everything we're saying.

925
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 3: We're actually for the listeners.

926
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 4: We're actually sitting at a table we're headphones on shouting and.

927
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 6: We can't hear each other. A good thing.

928
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: So who we got for the weekend? Who we reckon?

929
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: Is going to take it out than Gisby.

930
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 3: He's traveling really really well.

931
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 4: Obviously, I think everybody would love to see Brice Fall

932
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 4: would do really well on his on his home track.

933
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 4: But yeah, Bean, Gisbeen is running really really hot at

934
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 4: the moment.

935
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 3: That's where all the money's at.

936
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he's certainly been looking good.

937
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 7: Look, I'm a bit of a ford Man, so I'm

938
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 7: going to throw my weight behind dear Pascali. Hopefully he

939
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 7: can come home and the Mustang and yeah, get a

940
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 7: win for Ford.

941
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: He's been traveling well.

942
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 4: But I'm trying to get Katie into one of the

943
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 4: cars where I heart that this afternoon she's just shaking

944
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 4: her head saying absolutely, Oh he's.

945
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: So scared on the biggest scaredy cat on the worst

946
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: for something like that. I drive very slowly driving his days. Yeah,

947
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: well that has been the week that Well, it's Josh Burgoin.

948
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time this morning.

949
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 7: Thank you so much, Katie, and good good night everyone

950
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 7: back home and Alice.

951
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: Burg absolutely Robin Lamley thank you so much for your

952
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: time this morning, and Paul Kirby, thank you.

953
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 3: Being do you have a great weekend. Everybody