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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Rap, a weekly podcast covering women's sports news. Meles.

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Speaker 1: What have we got this week?

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Speaker 2: Taking a look around the grounds. Female Queensland Rugby League

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Speaker 2: players will now earn equal pay to the men in

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Speaker 2: the State of Origin. Sport Australia Hall of Fame have

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Speaker 2: announced their new inductees for twenty twenty one and Ellia

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Speaker 2: Green retires from rugby sevens.

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Speaker 1: For our key story, we'll discuss the AFL scrapping the

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Speaker 1: dreaded skinfold test for new draftees.

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Speaker 2: In the Budgye Smuggler Ice Bath, we chat to World

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Speaker 2: Rugby Hall of Fame inductee Cheryl McAfee.

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Speaker 1: And you can watch that. All our Budges Smuggler Ice

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Speaker 1: Bath interviews are now on YouTube, as well as all

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Speaker 1: the highlight videos of all the stories we talk about

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Speaker 1: on the RAP. How good, and you can get a

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Speaker 1: sneak peak of more summer merch how good. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a look around the grounds in rugby sevens. Australian sevens

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Speaker 1: legend Ellia Green has sadly officially retired from rugby seven

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Speaker 1: The twenty eight year old made the announcement via social

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Speaker 1: media after a decade long career in sevens. Elliot debuted

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Speaker 1: in twenty twelve at Houston, helping Australia to third place

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Speaker 1: at the event. Elliot was considered one of the most

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Speaker 1: damaging players in rugby seven's history, sending players flying in

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Speaker 1: all the right sheets flying. Elliott also holds the title

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Speaker 1: of Australia's highest try scorer with one hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: one tries oh my gosh, and fourth highest ever behind

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Speaker 1: New Zealand's Porscha Woodman and Canadian duo Bianca Ferella and

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Speaker 1: Gisleyne Landry. The flyer would go on to play an

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Speaker 1: integral role in Australia's historic twenty sixteen Olympic campaign, scoring

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Speaker 1: a try in the final to help secure the gold

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Speaker 1: medal over New Zealand converted by yours. Truly, I don't

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Speaker 1: even know if I kicked that one. I don't remember

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Speaker 1: a lot about that game. Elliot missed selection for the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one Tokyo Games, which coach John Minenti described

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Speaker 1: as one of the toughest decisions in his coaching career

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Speaker 1: and probably not a very good decision. I would say

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Speaker 1: I agree with that.

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Speaker 2: In boxing, the International Box Association the AIBA has delayed

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Speaker 2: its Women's World Boxing Championships from December until March, blaming

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Speaker 2: the coronavirus crisis and resulting restrictions in place across the globe.

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Speaker 2: The postponement of the event will be a blow to

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Speaker 2: women's boxes who have not been able to compete at

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Speaker 2: a world championship since October twenty nineteen, when Yula Nude

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Speaker 2: in Russia played host. Some will have taken part in

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Speaker 2: the Tokyo Olympic Games, but the boxing tournament there was

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Speaker 2: run by the IOC Boxing Task Force, with the aiba's

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Speaker 2: Olympic recognition currently suspended. Interestingly, the Men's World Boxing Championships

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Speaker 2: concluded on Saturday, November six in Serbian capital Belgrade.

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Speaker 1: I love how that's just a little addition, like it's

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Speaker 1: too hard. Actually we can't make it go ahead for

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Speaker 1: the women, but the men have just finished their competition,

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Speaker 1: play on exhausting. In rugby league, for the first time,

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Speaker 1: elite female rugby league players representing Queensland will receive the

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Speaker 1: same money as their male counterparts for playing state of origin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you Jans and rugby league. And now it's the

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Speaker 1: players who take part in camps and are selected for

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Speaker 1: the Queensland Maroons women's State of Origin series will receive

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Speaker 1: a fee of fifteen thousand dollars, the same as that

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Speaker 1: given to the players in the men's team. So we've

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Speaker 1: seen Captain of Queensland Ali Brigginshaw supporting the decision saying

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Speaker 1: it takes a lot of the pressure off, I guess

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Speaker 1: the financial constraints having to leave your family and friends

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Speaker 1: behind to actually go into these camps and represent your

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Speaker 1: there's going to be a series of camps for a

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Speaker 1: revised squad of thirty players. So if you go to

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Speaker 1: the first lot of camps you get four thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Then if you're selected for the next cut, which I

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Speaker 1: think is nineteen players, you get another seven thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Then if you play the games, you get a match

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Speaker 1: only a one match series, so obviously the men play

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Speaker 1: the three games every year, and what the Queensland coach

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Speaker 1: Tiny Norris has said is that this financial freedom in

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Speaker 1: a sense almost gives the players more time and allows

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Speaker 1: him to actually adequately prepare for a three game series,

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Speaker 1: so hopefully in the future that's something they address. The

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Speaker 1: NROL last week released the draw for the postponed NRLW

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one season, so Round one will kick off

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Speaker 1: on February twenty seventh, when Foundation Club Saint George Illawora

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Speaker 1: Stadium in Newcastle. The season will run for seven weeks

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Speaker 1: and will align its calendar with the NRL from round three,

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Speaker 2: In general sport news, the Sport Australia Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: has announced their new inductees for twenty twenty one, including

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Speaker 2: cycling legend Anna Meirs, cricketer Karen Rolton, hurdler Janni Pittman

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Speaker 2: and twelve time Paralympian Libby Coosmala. So the inductees will

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Speaker 2: don and the Dawn Awards will also be announced. So

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Speaker 2: the Donn Award recognizes current the current Australian athlete or

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Speaker 2: team whose achievements over the last twelve months are considered

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Speaker 2: to have the most have it most inspired the nation

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Speaker 2: though last year that was won by the Australian Women's

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Speaker 2: Tea twenty World Cup winning cricket team, who were victorious

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Speaker 2: playing in front of a record eighty six thousand fans

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Speaker 2: of the mcg I was at that game. It was incredible.

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Speaker 2: They were just the second team to win the Don

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Speaker 2: Award in the award's twenty three year history. And the

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Speaker 2: Dawn Award is being awarded for the first time this

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Speaker 2: year to honor an individual team or organization from this

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Speaker 2: or a previous generation who are courageous, brave and have

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Speaker 1: For the better. That's really special, isn't it. Yeah? Can

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Speaker 1: we also just quickly address Libby Cosmala twelve time Paralympia

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Speaker 1: her first one was in Germany in nineteen seventy two

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Speaker 1: in Rio. That is bonkers insane? Is that forty four

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Speaker 1: years on the Olympic circuit? WHOA my gosh. In cricket,

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Speaker 1: Jess Jonason has become the first cricketer to reach one

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Speaker 1: hundred WBBL mat She's never missed a game for the

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Speaker 1: Brisbane Heat, recording one hundred games, one hundred and fifteen

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Speaker 1: wickets and two Big Bash titles. Jess was immense in

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Speaker 1: the Heat's victory over the Sixers on the weekend, taking

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Speaker 1: three for fifteen, with the ball helping her team restrict

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Speaker 1: the Sydney side to only seven from ninety one in

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Speaker 1: their twenty overs. The loss leaves the Sixers in real

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Speaker 1: danger of missing the finals of WBBLO seven, while the

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Speaker 1: Heat are hot on the heels of the leaders. Melbourne Renegades.

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Speaker 2: In motorsport New Zealand Rally ace, Emma Gilmour will become

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Speaker 2: the first woman to race for McLaren when she suits

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Speaker 2: up for their Extreme E team in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: joining Ozzie Molly Taylor who races for the Rosberg X

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Speaker 2: racing on the Extreme E circuit. Gilmore has more than

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at the key story.

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Speaker 2: The AFL has scrapped standard skin fold testing on draft prospects,

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Speaker 2: a decision that has caused much debate between sporting figures

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Speaker 2: who believe the internationally common body fat measurement tool is

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Speaker 2: a form of body shaming, and those who view it

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Speaker 2: as a legitimate method of gauging the fitness and physical

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Speaker 1: So, for people who have not had the joy of

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Speaker 1: experiencing a skinfold test, I'm trying to think of the

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Speaker 1: best way to describe it would probably be similar to

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Speaker 1: like tiny barbecue tongs that hurts. That took me a

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Speaker 1: while to get those words out. And they find there's

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Speaker 1: usually seven sites on your body that they test, so

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Speaker 1: usually biceps, triceps under your shoulder, two on your belly,

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Speaker 1: then they add it all up and from there there's

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Speaker 1: like what AFOW player Darcivso and t Fat graphic designer

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Speaker 1: has said. She said, if we're serious about mental health

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Speaker 1: and well being of players and society, then why slam

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Speaker 1: a change that promotes that the impact of body image

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Speaker 1: issues and fat shaming is deep. We also saw form

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Speaker 1: of Sydney Swans player Luke Ablett say he still has

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Speaker 1: body image issues over skin folds and the fear of

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Speaker 2: The AFL have only banned the test on draft prospects,

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Speaker 2: and strangely, drafts can still be tested for all the

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Speaker 2: skin folds the moment they step into their new club environment,

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Speaker 2: despite the practice being banned before they're actually selected. The

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Speaker 2: AFL is focusing on the mental health impacts for players

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Speaker 2: that miss out on being drafted. The AIS have supported

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Speaker 2: the decision, saying if the tests are to be carried out,

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Speaker 2: they should be supported by appropriate nutritional and possibly psychological

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Speaker 2: Netball Australia is unique in that it only tests skin

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Speaker 2: folds on its seat in your national team. The practice

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Speaker 2: sports nutrition manager, Kerry Leech, is developing a new eating

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Speaker 2: Disorder policy which includes guidelines around skin fold testing. You

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I've sat at an interesting end of

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Speaker 1: I think for me, I've been able to use the

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Speaker 1: of my skinfold test. It was just a good measure

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Speaker 1: that I could use for performance in that sense, But

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Speaker 1: I think, even look at the test as a whole,

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Speaker 1: it's a really uncomfortable procedure to find the areas on

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Speaker 1: them squeezed and measured, And I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: the time it's often done in front of other teammates

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Speaker 1: that's quite an uncomfortable experience, looking particularly at whether it's

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Speaker 1: young girls or young boys. But we know with women's

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Speaker 1: sport that biologically women generally have a higher body fat

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Speaker 1: percentage as well, so I think the mental impacts on

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Speaker 1: that are quite big. So I really like the way

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Speaker 1: that Netball Australia have done it, looking at senior players

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Speaker 1: and people that can say, yeah, I'm choosing to do

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Speaker 1: they want to use it for a performance measure or not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Like I remember getting a Skinfeld test in school,

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Speaker 2: as you described it, it's quite an invasive test, Like

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Speaker 2: someone grabbing at the fat on your body and putting

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Speaker 2: these metal tongs around it to measure the centimeters of it.

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Speaker 4: That's a pretty pretty awesome feeling.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to say again, congratulations on being

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Speaker 4: No, you're welcome.

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Speaker 1: That's really cool. Thank you for that. Let's take a

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Speaker 2: Our WBBL WBBL matchup of the week is the top

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Speaker 2: Like three times in the one event, insane, like not

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Speaker 1: So that episode will drop this Thursday, the eighteenth. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: And don't forget. You can watch all these episodes, get

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Speaker 2: See you next week, Clo.

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