1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Everybody. 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 2: It's for. 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Everybody. 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 3: It's time for John move. 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: Well, it's our podcast. What ended up on the cutting 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: room floor today? A man? 7 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 4: Well, as we sip our cup of soups, Yeah, let's 8 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 4: look at what has ended up on the cutting room floor. 9 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: What about this story? A woman? 10 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 4: I'll read the headline, A woman who did not get 11 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 4: a leaving card loses a UK employment claim. So this 12 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 4: woman has sued her former employer for not giving her 13 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 4: a leaving card. She lost the case because it was 14 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 4: revealed it had been hidden from her because only three 15 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 4: people signed it. She claimed, quote you wonder how this 16 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 4: could end up in court, that there'd be any claim. 17 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 4: She claimed that quote The failure to acknowledge her existence, 18 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 4: i e. Give her a leaving card was a breach 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 4: of a quality law. Then a former colleague told an 20 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 4: employment tribunal that the manner just had indeed brought a card, 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 4: but didn't give it to her because only three people 22 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 4: had signed it, and they deemed that would be more 23 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 4: consulting to give her a card that three people had 24 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 4: signed than no card at all. 25 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 3: Well, it depends was the card circulated to people? Do 26 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: we know that part of the story. 27 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 4: No, But the fact that this claim was turned down 28 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 4: tells me that that's the truth of it. 29 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: Well, it speaks volumes about this woman, doesn't it. 30 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: But you know what it's like. 31 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 4: We can ask to sign birthday cards for people that 32 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 4: we don't know and. 33 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: You're leaving card I signed. 34 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 4: That just before what But I like how you just put. 35 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: Rock on Jonesy. 36 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 4: You could be signing a letter for the Pope for 37 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 4: a child who's requested this for you because they're unwell. 38 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: For top management. You put the same thing, rock on jones. 39 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: This is my wife's birthday. The other day I started 40 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: to write rock on and thanks for listening. 41 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: And the funniest part is she doesn't listen. That's the 42 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: funniest part of it. 43 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: She rock on. 44 00:01:58,920 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: That's all we need to know. 45 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: It's been sometimes you'd see you on that. 46 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: You know one time I left a radio station and 47 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: not saying that I'm very popular, but they had to 48 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 3: get a joinormous core flute. 49 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: So because everyone wanted to sign it. 50 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 4: Give us your sign, why don't you give us your 51 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 4: cake theory? 52 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: The cake theory is. 53 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 3: Someone's birthday that indicates how popular that you are, is 54 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 3: how much cake is. 55 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: Left and what happens with me when it's my birthday. 56 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 3: They have to get like a wedding cake, like many 57 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: tears forty wedding cake because there's not enough to go around, 58 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 3: because everyone wants to be a part of the j man. 59 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: What's happening for his birthday? I know for you, they 60 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 3: bring out a cupcake. 61 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 4: None of all, none of this theory is true, and 62 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 4: none of the reality of what you're saying is true either. 63 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 4: So if someone has a birthday and there's some left, 64 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 4: because often girls don't want to eat chocolate cake at 65 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 4: nine am, it may surprise you to hear that's. 66 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: Wrong with them. 67 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 4: You go lor you're popular, you tell them to their 68 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 4: face your theory it's terrible. 69 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 3: Well, I've seen many people like you walking out of 70 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 3: the building, you know, with three quarters of a cake, 71 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 3: and it just seems wasteful. 72 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 4: What about this other story, I'm just sending an unwonted 73 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 4: birthday card to a colleague could be seen as harassment. 74 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: Really other UK case, a woman. 75 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 4: In the UK has told a tribunal she repeatedly contacted 76 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 4: She was repeatedly contacted by her bosses while she was on. 77 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 2: Leave for work related stress. 78 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 4: This is probably those new rules they're trying to bring 79 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 4: in here too, that you can't contact someone out of 80 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 4: work hours, but she said she also was given numerous 81 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 4: emails while she was on work related stress leave and 82 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 4: an unwanted birthday card. 83 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: She says that she had told. 84 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 4: Them on a number of reason a number of occasions 85 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 4: that she would not be celebrating for personal reasons, and 86 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 4: asked her to be kept off the list that the 87 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 4: boss kept of employees' birthdays. The boss apologized and claimed 88 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 4: he to remove her name from the list. However, in 89 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 4: the following weeks, she was sent eleven emails as well 90 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 4: as a birthday card. So she contacted thebunal because she 91 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,839 Speaker 4: said that this exacerbated for symptoms, and the judge said 92 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 4: the repeated contact created a hostile and intimidating environment for 93 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 4: the claimant. 94 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: Next to bringing your pet into work, having a birthday 95 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: at work is the biggest time waster in the history 96 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: of the world. 97 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 4: That's so people love it. I like it when it's 98 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 4: someone else's birthday and we all get to. 99 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 3: Say I hate it, and it destroys all the momentum 100 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 3: that you're doing, the work that you're doing. Everyone has 101 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 3: to stop down my sister is an airline pilot, and 102 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 3: when she was pregnant, they don't let pregnant women fly 103 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 3: planes because something about hormonal stuff and things like that. Anyway, 104 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 3: is that why I believe so? Yeah, I believe so. Anyway, 105 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 3: she was in the office at work. They put her 106 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 3: in the office just to do admin jury duties, and 107 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 3: she said, it's the most boring thing in the world 108 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: because there's nothing else in't trying to find things to do. 109 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: And then one day she was watching a birthday celebration. She'sought, 110 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: hang on a minute. 111 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 3: This is a classic time waster because you look at it, right, 112 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: You've got to get. 113 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: The cake, got to get a card, get so you've. 114 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: Got to leave the building. You get the cake. You 115 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: gotta there's a hole and get plates. Plates, You got 116 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: to gather everyone around, napkins, you. 117 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: Have to take a card around to be signed. 118 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: Then the speech is made and then the awkward chatter 119 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 3: as you're eating cake. If you really play your cards right, 120 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 3: you could get an hour out of birthday cake organization. 121 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: And Anita did this for everyone in the office. 122 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 3: And I don't think she did a minute of work 123 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 3: while she was grounded in that Office's birthday brigade, and 124 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: then you would think when her birthday came around, it 125 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 3: would be a fixt no nothing. 126 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: She was the one who had done it all, and because. 127 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: She was pregnant she went into an emotional meltdown. It's 128 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 3: probably because she wasn't flying that plate. 129 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: That's there for the day. Come back tomorrow for more