1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf. 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 2: Joined the conversation with Katie Wolf, you are our eyes 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 2: and ears in the territory mixed one oh four point nine. Well, 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what this topic of scam is, something 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: that's really got the phone lines running hot this morning. 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: And Barbara joins me on the line right now, Good morning, Barbara. 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 3: Hi. 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 4: I've never ran before, so I'm a little bit nervous. 9 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: That's okay. 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 4: Maybe I got scammed really bad. It was a phone 11 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 4: call to start with, and they told me that they 12 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 4: were in and. 13 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 5: They talked so good that and my computer had been 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 5: playing up a bit, so I went on to my 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 5: computer and they talked to me on the phone while 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 5: I was on the computer, and they kept telling me 17 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 5: to keep to type stuff in and next thing they were. 18 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 6: On my computer and they kept Now. 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 3: I kept saying, I don't know if this is right. 20 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 6: It doesn't seem right. Yes, And. 21 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 3: They were putting me onto different. 22 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 5: People and they were saying that I know, it's all right, 23 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 5: this is a free week. 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 6: We're going to fix it all for you. And I said, well. 25 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: Where do you work? 26 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 4: You work for? And the man said Big cond And 27 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 4: I'm with Big Cons So I trusted them. I really 28 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 4: trusted them, and I did everything they told me. And 29 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:40,919 Speaker 4: when they wanted my details, I said that I. 30 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 7: Can't give my numbers, and they. 31 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 8: Said, it's all right, only give us the last four 32 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 8: numbers on your cars. 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 6: So I did that and then when I put in 34 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 6: my pin number, it came up on. 35 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 4: The computers crosses, so I thought it's all okay. And 36 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 4: they told me that they were going to re only 37 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 4: eighty something dollars because they had to fix my envy and. 38 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 7: Like six months or so before. 39 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 4: And I said, yeah, well they did too, and they 40 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 4: said that they have someone coming out on Mondays. 41 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: Anyhow, we all went through and that the computer got well. 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 9: I don't know if it. 43 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 7: Was fixed or not, but I was by this time, 44 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 7: I was feeling pretty low. And when they were on 45 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 7: my computer and I could see the arrow going all 46 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 7: over my monitor, and in the end, I said to them, look, 47 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 7: I don't really feel. 48 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 4: Right with this, and I hung up and I went 49 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 4: on to my internet banking and all my money was gone. 50 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 6: And anyhow, I got an email the. 51 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: Next day just say that I had transferred my money 52 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: or my through to Western Union and it had gone 53 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: to Kenya. 54 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 7: I went to the agents of Western Union. 55 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,279 Speaker 6: No one might bank, no one can do anything about. 56 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 7: It, that there's nothing they can do. 57 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 6: I let it happen. 58 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 9: And honestly, Katie, I went down solo that Luke. I 59 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 9: couldn't talk to anybody because I felt guilty. I felt 60 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 9: ashamed of myself that I got to the place where 61 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 9: I didn't want to be here anymore and I had 62 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 9: to ring beyond blue and oh, you encouraged me to 63 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 9: let you know so that other people can't be aware that. 64 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: I am so sorry to hear that. But Barbara, you 65 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: need to know that that's not your fault. You know, 66 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: you're talking about elaborate scammers here who go to the 67 00:03:54,600 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: greatest lengths to scam Territorians and it's disgusting and it's 68 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: it's disgraceful that they did that to you, And that 69 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: is not your fault. 70 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 6: No, I'm realizing that now because I've been to my 71 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 6: psych collegist and yeah, and I finally went and talked 72 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 6: to my daughter, who I was scared to go to 73 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 6: because I had no money, and I ended up having to. 74 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 3: Be essentially to ask them to help me out till 75 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: I got my next pension It's just a horrible week, 76 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 3: the most. 77 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 7: Horrible week I've ever gone through. 78 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: Goodness me. 79 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it is over now I'm getting back on top, 80 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 3: and money wise, I'm struggling, but everything will be all right. 81 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: But I can't get my money back. There's nothing I 82 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: can do about it. And I just wanted you to 83 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 3: know so that you know, like I listen to you. 84 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 8: Every day, but I don't because I get nervous. 85 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 6: I do listen to you, and I love your program. 86 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: Oh thank you, Barbara. Well, you know I really appreciate 87 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: you sharing your story with us and for being so 88 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 2: brave and sharing that story. 89 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 10: Barbara. 90 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: How long ago did this happen? 91 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 7: It will be two weeks now, Oh. 92 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: Goodness me, Barbara. Did the police end up? 93 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 10: Like? 94 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: Did the police have to get involved and try to 95 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: help you out? 96 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 6: None of them, None of them can do anything. 97 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: Oh Barbara, I am so sorry that this has happened 98 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: to you. Now, Look, you know, there's not a lot 99 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: that I can do to help. But what I can 100 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: do for you is make you our territory. And of 101 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: the week. I know it's only Monday, but we have 102 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: got a beautiful We've got a beautiful care package for 103 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: you from Perap Fine Foods. Neville at Perap Fine Foods 104 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 2: puts those care packages together and they are full of 105 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: gourmet goodness for your goodness. But I reckon it might 106 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: be that change of luck that you need. 107 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 7: Oh, thank you, Oh that's all. 108 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: That's all right, Barbara. I really like I say, I 109 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: really appreciate you calling because I think that it's so 110 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: important that Territorians know the degree that that you know, 111 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: some of these scammers are going to and unfortunately, you know, 112 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: quite often like they're praying on people, and they're really 113 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: praying on our goodwill. Yeah. 114 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 4: Well, my daughter and my daughter Tommy when I was 115 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: when I told her about it, she said that one 116 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 4: of her clients, I. 117 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 6: Don't know if it was the same people as mine. 118 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 8: But they got out taken three I think we're thirty 119 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 8: thousand dollars, she said, got taken from them. And this 120 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 8: poor lady is still trying to get her money back. 121 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 8: And you know, that's hope. 122 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 7: I know it's hopeless. 123 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 8: God, I've tried and tried and I can't get mine back. 124 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 8: So I know that there's nothing anybody can do about 125 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 8: it whatsoever. And that's why I really want everyone should 126 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 8: know to please. 127 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 6: Be careful and be very aware of Western Union. Yeah, 128 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 6: because apparently it's one of the bad ones. 129 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: Well, Barbara, we understand and appreciate how hard it was 130 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: for you to come on and share your story, and 131 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: we're very grateful that you did. Thank you so much 132 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: for having a chat with us today. 133 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 3: Thank you and Barbara. 134 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: I'll just get you to hang on the line so 135 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: Ronnie can get your details as well for that beautiful 136 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: care package. And I tell you what we're hearing some 137 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: you know, some pretty bad stuff on the tech signe 138 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: and also obviously like you've just heard there from Barbara, 139 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: she's not alone. There are a number of Territorians who've 140 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: been scammed. As I mentioned earlier, I know that there 141 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: are people changing invoices. They intercept your email. They're able 142 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: to change those invoices now. I know because it happened 143 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: to us last year, so it's definitely happening now. I 144 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: believe that I've got Randall on the line, I think 145 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: from Darwin. Have a winge. Good morning Randall. 146 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 10: Hey, hey, good mate. 147 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: I haven't spoken to you for a while. What's been happening? 148 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 10: I just said the young lady on there and don't 149 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 10: want to have a wine full donate one hundred dollars 150 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 10: to her again. 151 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: Oh Randall, that's so nice mate, thank you. 152 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 10: That's all over you, I know. 153 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: But you know sometimes people say, oh, you know, we're 154 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: just winging on dar and have a winch. But you're 155 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: a good bloke and I really appreciate you doing that. 156 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 10: No worries. So'll catch up with you and shop a 157 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 10: wool card off field or something like that. 158 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: Oh you're allegit, Randall. 159 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: Thank you. 160 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. And mate, I hope you've been 161 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: all right, you said, then you've been away for funerals 162 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 2: and various other things. I hope that you're okay. 163 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 10: Yeah, we're partner long well, Randal, you are. 164 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: And I just got a message as well from Top 165 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: End sign Sales, so they're Beingland's top end sign Sales. 166 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: She said she's gonna match. She is, and she's going 167 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 2: to match your one hundred dollars for that lady, so 168 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: up to two hundred bucks and she's got a care 169 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: package you Morba legends. Thank you, Randal. 170 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 10: Well, that's the locals for you, mate. It is each other's. 171 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: Good on you mate, thank you so much for calling 172 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: this morning and look after yourself. Good on you, thanks Randall, 173 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: And oh how nice is that after hearing from Barbara 174 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: and what she's gone through, Randall and deb have just 175 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: both donated one hundred each so that she is able 176 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: to just have that opportunity to get back on her feet. 177 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 2: I really feel for Barbara, as she said, she's never 178 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: called the show before and she wanted to make sure 179 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: that that Territorians were aware of this online scam situation 180 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: that so many of us have experienced. And I tell 181 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: you what, we weren't even really planning on talking about 182 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: this this morning, but like I always say, you guys 183 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 2: decide the direction of this show, and we got that 184 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: message a little earlier, just letting us know about a 185 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: scam that is doing the rounds, and you know I 186 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 2: shared that detail, and I tell you what, now we 187 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:20,599 Speaker 2: are being inundated with messages, nice Katie. The powerlessness that 188 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 2: Barbara feels is dramatic. These predators show no humanity. You 189 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 2: spot on they don't and you know, they really pray 190 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 2: upon people and it upsets me so much. Then when 191 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: people lose their hard earned cash and it happens more 192 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: often than what we realize, Oh goodness, me so as 193 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: I said, Randall has said that he is going to 194 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 2: donate one hundred dollars for Barbara deb in Pineland, so 195 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: top End sign Sales is going to match that one 196 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 2: hundred dollars for Barbara. And Keysier Puick has also said 197 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 2: that she's going to donate two hundred dollars to Barbara, 198 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: and I feel like I'm gonna cry. Louisa just called 199 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 2: to say that she will donate one hundred dollars as well. 200 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 9: That is so nice. 201 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 7: Good on all of you. 202 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: It's so lovely to see the way that the community 203 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: comes together.