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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio is the Chief Minister, Natasha Files.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now it is safe to say that crime in the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory has reached boiling points. Overnight in Alice Springs,

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Speaker 1: another vehicle stolen and taken for a joy ride through

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Speaker 1: the city, a vehicle from the ABC and Alice Springs

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Speaker 1: in fact, and that police had to then pull out of.

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Speaker 2: The CBD due to the situation.

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Speaker 1: The car was apparently targeting marked police vehicles.

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Speaker 2: According to the Watch commander.

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister is Alice Springs in a state of emergency.

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Speaker 2: Katie.

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Speaker 4: It is unacceptable and it makes me angry to hear

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Speaker 4: this incident that police who.

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Speaker 3: Are there to protect us and keep us safe.

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Speaker 4: And I do need to be careful with my comments

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Speaker 4: because this is obviously a live investigation from police's perspective,

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Speaker 4: but they're trying to investigate what has happened and keep

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Speaker 4: the community safe and people are targeting them and then

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Speaker 4: police have had to put out that public safety message.

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Speaker 4: The community at the moment, not only in Alice Springs

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Speaker 4: but up in the top end, is honestly outraged and exasperated.

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Speaker 4: Are you Katie. It is frustrating me. You can hear

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Speaker 4: that frustration in my voice. And this is the absolute priority.

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Speaker 4: And when I became Chief Minister, I said, we have

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Speaker 4: to do better in this space and we have to

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Speaker 4: keep working, and we are doing that and I will

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Speaker 4: not stop until these incidents stop.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that the honestly, the community is at

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Speaker 1: boiling point, and I've said that before. I've spoken to

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Speaker 1: people in Alice Springs this morning. They have literally said

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Speaker 1: to me, Katie, we are in a state of emergency,

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister. Are you treating this as if you're in

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Speaker 1: a state of emergency?

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Speaker 4: Katie? This is my highest priority right now, not just

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Speaker 4: for the people of our springs, but right across the

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Speaker 4: Northern Territory. And so we have put in place a

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Speaker 4: number of measures and we will continue to work in

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Speaker 4: our springs. Specifically, we saw that social order response work

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Speaker 4: has collated what is happening in this space, the different

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Speaker 4: service providers working with the town council. I'll be back

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Speaker 4: down there with the cabinet team later in the week

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Speaker 4: and we'll be again meeting with the town council to

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Speaker 4: hear from them and work with them.

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Speaker 1: They know we're never going to see something change overnight,

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Speaker 1: but you literally now have a situation. On the weekend

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Speaker 1: it looked like scenes out of Grand theft auto with

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Speaker 1: kids allegedly behind the wheel of stolen vehicles.

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Speaker 2: In the backs of utes.

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Speaker 1: It is so bloody dangerous, not only to them but

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Speaker 1: also to everybody on the road, to everybody in the community.

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Speaker 1: Now we've got a situation where last night these kids

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Speaker 1: have allegedly stolen the vehicle.

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Speaker 3: They're at risk, the police are.

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Speaker 1: In danger trying to apprehend them, and the community is

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Speaker 1: not only unsafe, but they're broken a You is your

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Speaker 1: government failing the people of Alice, Katie.

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Speaker 4: Those images, and I've seen them, are completely unacceptable and

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Speaker 4: I have been briefed by the Deputy Commissioner for Police

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Speaker 4: incredibly hard in this space, Katie, and they are disappointed

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Speaker 4: and we do need to keep pushing in this space.

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Speaker 4: But those images are absolutely frustrating to me as the

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Speaker 1: What if someone dies on the street. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: thing is out of Alice Springs. We have had that

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Speaker 1: situation before. But what's going to happen if one of

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Speaker 3: Katie, that's my fear.

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Speaker 4: And in terms of and I need to in terms

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Speaker 3: Work through these issues with family.

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Speaker 4: We're looking at the legalities around One of the behaviors

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Speaker 3: You have risky behavior.

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Speaker 4: So kids out at nine and ten o'clock at night

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Speaker 1: We've told us before about there being two locations that

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Speaker 2: At night if they've got no where else safe to go.

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Speaker 2: Where are we at with this?

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, that is where we're looking at the legalities,

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Speaker 4: We're not going to be detaining them against their will,

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Speaker 4: but we need to be able to say it's ten

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Speaker 1: Though, why not if they're actually out there in the

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Speaker 1: many people would see as being incredibly unsafe, not only

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Speaker 4: Oh, Katie, that is if they're participating in criminal activity,

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Speaker 4: they absolutely will be apprehended. But what I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: Is this at with these locations or this location where

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Speaker 3: So Minister Kate Wooden is working through all of that.

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Speaker 4: It is complex in terms of the legalities, but I

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Speaker 1: We also spoke yesterday to a tour operator and Alice Springs,

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's incredibly disappointing, and that's the image that they

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Speaker 4: And that's why around you know, no need to make

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Speaker 1: That tour operator is calling for a police escort to

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Speaker 4: So our police continue to work with the community. Tour

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Speaker 2: So not going to have police escorts with that tour operator.

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Speaker 4: the thing that's probably made me feel saddest. I've got

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Speaker 5: They're frightened, they won't go out on their own. So

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Speaker 5: this is causing isolation, it's causing fear, and it's traumatizing

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Speaker 5: for seniors. We have about thirty people in on a

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Speaker 5: They're too frightened to go to casina. So what should

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Speaker 5: If something has to happen, Why should we seniors be

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Speaker 5: contributed to the growth of the Northern Church, to the

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Speaker 5: here we are, we're hiding in our own homes. Even

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Speaker 1: What a sad and embarrassing indictment really on our community.

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Speaker 3: We should absolutely be supporting our seniors.

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Speaker 4: They have cared for us and they are more vulnerable

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Speaker 4: we absolutely as a whole community should be supporting them.

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Speaker 4: And it is cowardly to pick on more vulnerable people

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Speaker 4: in terms of Casurinas who raise specifically, what we have

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Speaker 3: We've now pivoted to this social order response.

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Speaker 1: All right, So Chief Minister We've got a situation at

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Speaker 1: the moment moment as well where there was a meeting yesterday.

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Speaker 1: There was business owners that had met yesterday to raise

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Speaker 4: Oh, Katie, I meet and listen to the community every

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Speaker 4: single day, But I'm not going to attend a meeting

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Speaker 4: that is put up by the COORP with someone that

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Speaker 4: This is bigger than that, and in fact, we have

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Speaker 1: But really, would you call it a hate meeting? I

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Speaker 4: No, the organizer of that particular meeting, and they organized

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Speaker 4: I won't go down to that level. I will meet

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Speaker 4: What I can say, Katie is this is a huge concern.

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, when I became the Chief Minister, I said

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Speaker 4: There's not one thing we can do, and that is

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Speaker 4: We're moving that as well to northern suburbs. But you've

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Speaker 2: I'll ask you a question that I've asked you before.

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Speaker 4: We need people to report behaviors, they need to press

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Speaker 4: There is youth is one aspects. We know alcohol is

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Speaker 1: How for you, as the Chief Minister, how quickly do

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Speaker 4: So Katie, it's something that every single day we're working

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Speaker 1: And if things don't change, will the Police Minister stay

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Speaker 4: Our Police Minister is somebody with tenacity. She is absolutely

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think anybody thinks that the police are

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Speaker 2: I think that.

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Speaker 1: Everybody, you know, it seems as though everybody's got the

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Speaker 4: And so for your listeners, Katie, and for our community,

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Speaker 1: Are there going to be some additional boot camps or

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Speaker 1: Don't have to tell may I go out to different

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, we do know that we have a chronically

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Speaker 1: Where are things at with those age care bits? Because

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Speaker 2: I know that earlier this year you'd told us.

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Speaker 1: So is there any real time estimate on that, because,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Katie, Unfortunately, it's one of those things that just

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Speaker 4: you work through the process, the beds are built. But

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Speaker 4: It's a key priority and will continue to work in

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go this morning, a few people

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Speaker 4: This is a point of difference between US and the COLP.

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Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, they're government owned corporations. We put in

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Speaker 4: a community service obligation, so we put in and support

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Speaker 4: those government owned corporations. And we've said that power prices

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Speaker 4: will just they'll increase it a small percentage around CPI

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Speaker 4: two or three percent, Katie, not the percentage increases that

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Speaker 4: are being talked about in the broader media.

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Speaker 2: So when are they going to go up that two

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Speaker 2: or three percent?

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, that's just a yearly CPI increase. They will

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Speaker 4: not go up the forty to fifty percent that's been quoted.

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Speaker 1: Is that something that happens every year? That three or

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Speaker 1: four percent or in line with CPI?

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Speaker 4: It's yeah, it's just a couple of And I'm happy

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Speaker 4: to get that figure too, because I know this is

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Speaker 4: a point that's raised with me as well. People are anxious,

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Speaker 4: but there is no significant increases to power and water

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Speaker 4: for territorians.

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Speaker 3: We believe that every territory and where.

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Speaker 4: They are, should have access to power a reliable source,

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Speaker 4: and that's why they should be government owned corporations.

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Speaker 1: Look, some people listening are still going to go, do

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Speaker 1: you know what will fee? Three percent or four percent?

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Speaker 1: Still going to hit me hard, Katie. I think it's

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Speaker 1: two point seven percent. But I will get that figure

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that'd be good. Thank you, Chief Minister.

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Speaker 1: We will leave it there as always, Thank you very

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Speaker 1: much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Take care,