Speaker 1: Gid A, Peter Helly here, Welcome to you Ain't Seen
Speaker 1: Nothing Yet? The Movie Podcast. We're our chat to a
Speaker 1: movie lover about a classic or beloved movie they haven't
Speaker 1: quite got around to watching until now. And today's guests broadcaster,
Speaker 1: comedian online personality writer Liscinda Rooms Price.
Speaker 2: All blow, I want to stay here with you.
Speaker 3: Got to the.
Speaker 4: Jobble, Why hate snakes?
Speaker 1: Shuck?
Speaker 4: Why hail could be happening?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 5: You ain't seen nothing new?
Speaker 1: Today's a special show because I get to hang out
Speaker 1: with somebody who I've actually never met before. Licinda Froome's
Speaker 1: Price is the self appointed CEO of Frooms World. I'm
Speaker 1: intrigued by Frooms I have to say. I came across
Speaker 1: her a few years ago. A friended pointed out that
Speaker 1: she had posted a picture of me from my row
Speaker 1: of Live days.
Speaker 4: I checked it out.
Speaker 1: In the back of my brain, I thought she's probably
Speaker 1: taken the piss somewhere. This is probably you know, it's fine,
Speaker 1: And I checked it out and it wasn't. And what
Speaker 1: I've learned since then is that Froomes is kind of
Speaker 1: loves to celebrate Australian nostalgia. She's a really positive person.
Speaker 1: She is joyful, joyous, she's bloody, hilarious, and she's just
Speaker 1: she's like an entrepreneur who has decided to invest in herself.
Speaker 1: She has branded herself the whole Froom's World. Thing is remarkable.
Speaker 1: She has a legion of fan who love her. She
Speaker 1: does a radio show on the Caden Network called Flex
Speaker 1: and Frooms. You can listen daily for the three pm
Speaker 1: to five pm. It's also in podcast form. She has
Speaker 1: a substack Frooms World which has over eleven thousand subscribers.
Speaker 4: She's performing live.
Speaker 1: She performed at the Melbourne and Sydney Comedy Festivals this
Speaker 1: year in the show called Besties, alongside Lewis Hansen. She
Speaker 1: started The Pedestrian as a writer and the producer and
Speaker 1: the presenter for a few years. And like I said,
Speaker 1: she just has backed herself in and I find it
Speaker 1: kind of inspiring, to be honest.
Speaker 4: You know, we're very different ages.
Speaker 1: I think she's later twenties and she has recognized the space.
Speaker 1: She worked out that you don't have to wait for
Speaker 1: a TV network or a radio network to give you
Speaker 1: a call. You can just create and build your own thing.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what she has done and is doing.
Speaker 1: She's run theseilarious campaigns. She read one as You Missed It,
Speaker 1: where she basically there was billboards involved, where she was
Speaker 1: basically putting out the word that she wanted to have
Speaker 1: sex with Shane warn This is obviously before he passed,
Speaker 1: and it was hilarious but also intriguing. It was like,
Speaker 1: is this gonna is this gonna play out? What's gonna
Speaker 1: happen here? And one he did engage with it for
Speaker 1: a bit. She performed the song about it with g
Speaker 1: Flip and Flume, which is basically a call out.
Speaker 4: She embraces Australia.
Speaker 1: Nostalgia, pop culture, nostalgia, Shrek, Serena, Tuna, like, there's all
Speaker 1: kinds of things and it's always entertaining, it's always positive.
Speaker 1: I think she's a really fun person to follow. I
Speaker 1: really encourage you to do that. Like I said, she's smart,
Speaker 1: she's positive, she's bloody, hilarious, and I'm stoked to be
Speaker 1: hanging out with her today.
Speaker 2: My name is Friends, and my three favorite films are
Speaker 2: number one Austin Powers.
Speaker 4: Actually my name is Austin Powers. It says your name
Speaker 4: danger Powers. No no no no no. Danger is my
Speaker 4: middle name.
Speaker 2: Mean girl. That is so fetch, Gretchen, stop trying to
Speaker 2: make fetch happen. It's not going to happen. And everything
Speaker 2: everywhere all at once. Rock Acony what Rockakony?
Speaker 6: You know, the one with the chef and he makes
Speaker 6: bad food point and.
Speaker 5: Then this is raccoon, sit on his head, control him,
Speaker 5: and then he cooks good food.
Speaker 3: Do you mean?
Speaker 2: But up until this week, I've never seen Psycho.
Speaker 1: Considered the mother of modern horror films, in nineteen sixty,
Speaker 1: Alfred Hitchcock made it quite clear that adult men who
Speaker 1: lived with their mothers well a bit weird. Jamie Lee
Speaker 1: Curtis's mum, Janet Lee is Marion Crane, a woman we
Speaker 1: find in the hotel room having a rendezvous with a
Speaker 1: ripped and shirtless divorcee Sam John Gavin, who is suffering
Speaker 1: a little bit financially. When an opportunity presents itself to
Speaker 1: marry and to take forty thousand dollar cash and skip town,
Speaker 1: she takes it, eventually arriving at the completely vacant Bates
Speaker 1: Motel run by Norman Gates. Anthony Perkins, a seemingly friendly
Speaker 1: enough man with a passion for at taxidermy, who lives
Speaker 1: with his overbearing mother. Yes, in hindsight, they're wor some
Speaker 1: red flags based on the book by Robert Bloke, from
Speaker 1: a screenplay by Joseph Stefano, nominated for four Oscars. It
Speaker 1: went home empty handed, but it has lived in the
Speaker 1: pop cultural psyche.
Speaker 4: Like very few films have rooms.
Speaker 1: Can you, without writing it down, finish this maths equation
Speaker 1: forty thousand minus seven hundred.
Speaker 2: Thirty nine thousand and three hundred?
Speaker 4: Well done? Well done?
Speaker 1: Was that right?
Speaker 4: That is absolutely right?
Speaker 1: And I don't know why Marian couldn't do that sum
Speaker 1: in her own head. I'm not sure why she had
Speaker 1: to write that down and then flush it down the toilet.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that later, but from the get go,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2: Thanks you, Peter Hellier. It's a pleasure to be here
Speaker 2: and to finally meet.
Speaker 1: We have kind of over the a couple of years
Speaker 1: now to follow each other on Instagram and message each
Speaker 1: other occasionally. Basically started by a publicist told me a
Speaker 1: channel tention, do you follow frooms on Instagram?
Speaker 4: This is a few years ago now.
Speaker 1: I said no, no, I don't, and she sent me
Speaker 1: these you had sent You'd posted something about wearing a
Speaker 1: beret whilst interview in the Backstreet Boys.
Speaker 2: You're wearing a backwards Cagle short cap.
Speaker 4: I went through a little stage where I.
Speaker 1: Wore the canole cap and was feeling kind of fine
Speaker 1: about it at the time, and I think I may
Speaker 1: mentioned this on this podcast before, and it wasn't until
Speaker 1: we had Chris Rock on the show, who also wore
Speaker 1: the can goal cap, and our guest producer Paid McGinley
Speaker 1: introduced me to Chris when they promoting Madagascar with Ben Stilla,
Speaker 1: and she said, oh, Pete wears the can goal cap
Speaker 1: as well. I wasn't wearing it in this moment and
Speaker 1: he just looked at me up and down and I've
Speaker 1: never worn that cap again, he.
Speaker 4: Said, really?
Speaker 1: He really was like, no, I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 1: maybe he hasn't worn the can goal cap again since
Speaker 1: since that moment, I think I ruined it for him,
Speaker 1: and it was ruined for me.
Speaker 4: I didn't be Chris.
Speaker 1: I've InterVID a couple of times, and the last time
Speaker 1: I interviewed him for that kind of sore, kind of
Speaker 1: horror film thing he did, I mentioned it to him.
Speaker 1: I said, I this happened, and I'm I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to shame you or anything, but I just want you
Speaker 1: to know I don't wear the Cano caps anymore.
Speaker 4: And he was.
Speaker 1: He promised me he wasn't judging me, but he was
Speaker 1: judging me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was judging me.
Speaker 2: I went through a face as well. I think that's
Speaker 2: how I found I don't even I can't even remember
Speaker 2: how I found the photo of you. But I went
Speaker 2: through a period. I was working at Pedestrian, like a
Speaker 2: color of news site in Gooda Commons, and I'd be
Speaker 2: sitting opposite this guy and I started wearing the little
Speaker 2: cap backwards, like I don't know what came home with
Speaker 2: me to even consider. I don't even know where I
Speaker 2: got it. And he just started calling me Samuel L. Jackson.
Speaker 2: I can't be doing this.
Speaker 1: I feel Samuel Jackson does own that look now, like
Speaker 1: that's who I think of more so than Chris Roe.
Speaker 1: I think of Samuel Jackson. He's the guy who basically
Speaker 1: owned is that look?
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 1: And you know, a white at twenty five year old
Speaker 1: Australian chubby man should not have been wearing a Kego
Speaker 1: cap backwards.
Speaker 4: I admit that, and I.
Speaker 1: Moved on, you know, And it's so it's so weird
Speaker 1: and like in the way it's I find it really funny,
Speaker 1: but it's also if I was a deep, a little
Speaker 1: bit deep, a little bit deeper. I've made so few
Speaker 1: fashion choices, like like, I'm like, I didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: go I'm gonna wear hoodies and baseball caps, you know
Speaker 1: as a fashion choice. It's just kind of they just
Speaker 1: found me and I just kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: I've never been brave. It's the only fashion choice I
Speaker 1: think I've ever made. But it was on TV for
Speaker 1: like a year and Chris Rock kind of ended it
Speaker 1: for me, which well he did a service I think
Speaker 1: for all of us.
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, maybe, But I'm like, it is hard to
Speaker 2: go out of your comfort zone. I always say wear
Speaker 2: a hat to try and learn a few can and
Speaker 2: kind of like push yourself to be more confident because
Speaker 2: people always comment on your hair on your hat. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you got to take a risk, and you
Speaker 2: took a risk.
Speaker 1: I took a risk I thought I've thought of, you know,
Speaker 1: people have themed parties. Often thought of having a theme party,
Speaker 1: which is like where something you would never usually wear
Speaker 1: and that could be anything that could be It could
Speaker 1: even be a hat, some people where it could be
Speaker 1: as simple as a hat, or it could be you know,
Speaker 1: some kind of really fuck off you know design feathery
Speaker 1: feathery thing, you know, or pant, golden pants or something.
Speaker 4: I think it'd be a fun night, I think so.
Speaker 2: Definitely a little hot, short, little kyl spitting around hot
Speaker 2: pants chat.
Speaker 4: That's it, sure, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, Psycho, why hadn't you seen this one?
Speaker 4: I mean, this is made in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 1: There's obviously the remake which Gus van Sande with Vince Vaughn,
Speaker 1: the Shot for Shot remake. But this is like, this
Speaker 1: is a major film, Like this is this is really
Speaker 1: a big wee. It kind of dawned on me when
Speaker 1: I was watching it, how big this film is. And
Speaker 1: this is a real major one, And it doesn't surprise
Speaker 1: me that some people haven't seen it.
Speaker 4: But why hadn't you seen it? Well?
Speaker 2: I didn't even know there was a remake. There's a
Speaker 2: Vicsfawn remake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the nineties is very kind of earliest Vinceful.
Speaker 1: It might have been post Swingers. I think it was
Speaker 1: post Swingers. Yeah, Gus van Sant did basically a shot
Speaker 1: for shot remake which I've never seen actually watching this,
Speaker 1: maybe thing I should just go check it out. But
Speaker 1: and also there's two there's two sequels which I think
Speaker 1: both have Anthony Perkins in it, Psycho two and Psycho three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this is a film that exists in the zeitgey,
Speaker 1: so you must have known what were the things you
Speaker 1: knew about this film like going in?
Speaker 2: Yes, so I was obviously tasked with finding a movie
Speaker 2: for this podcast. And there's so much stuff that I've
Speaker 2: never seen because I'm the kind of person that will
Speaker 2: watch and when we get into my favorite films, you'll
Speaker 2: see two of them I've watched probably more than anything
Speaker 2: else in the world ever. But like I haven't even
Speaker 2: watched Star Wars, for example, Like the gaps in my
Speaker 2: knowledge are so wide preaching. But obviously I knew the shower.
Speaker 3: Scene in Psycho, so that.
Speaker 2: Kind of drew me in, and I guess I just googled,
Speaker 2: like what are the best fels of all time? And
Speaker 2: that came up. But yeah, I'd never had an opportunity
Speaker 2: to watch it until an hour.
Speaker 4: And I think this is actually the surprisingly.
Speaker 1: We've done over near one hundred and twenty episodes of
Speaker 1: this and this is the first Hitchcock film we've done,
Speaker 1: so I was actually very excited. Yeah, we haven't done
Speaker 1: Rear Window or north By Northwest or The Birds, and
Speaker 1: I think this is I'm glad this is the first
Speaker 1: one we're doing. This is you know, I think when
Speaker 1: people think hit, they think Psycho. So yes, I'm very
Speaker 1: interested to get into it with you. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: your three favorite films. If I was the guest, and
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if this is already out there that
Speaker 1: maybe you speak about it a lot and it's just
Speaker 1: kind of in my head, but I'm not surprised me
Speaker 1: and Girls is there.
Speaker 4: It is such a great film.
Speaker 1: We covered it on this podcast with Sam Mack and
Speaker 1: I was doing radio in Sydney at the time. I
Speaker 1: got to interview Tina Fey when it came out, and
Speaker 1: I was just so like surprise because I thought, like,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing this Lindsay Loewen film. Okay, we'll see what
Speaker 1: it's low and it's just so smart and so.
Speaker 2: Funnytally, it's just I just think it's the perfect field.
Speaker 2: So obviously it came out in two thousand and four,
Speaker 2: so I was in year four, so I guess.
Speaker 4: So you didn't interview Team Fae when I came out.
Speaker 2: No, sorry sorry, probably one passion could do that.
Speaker 1: The Grade fours weren't given the opportunity, which is which
Speaker 1: is a shame.
Speaker 2: So I I think about it the Locks. I still
Speaker 2: watch it probably like two times a year, i'd say,
Speaker 2: And when it came out, I don't think the humor.
Speaker 2: I don't think I really understood the humor beyond kind
Speaker 2: of like the slapstick elements of it. Like I didn't
Speaker 2: realize that the mean girls weren't cool or kind of
Speaker 2: it was the joke was on them. I was just like,
Speaker 2: I want to be a mean girl, like I want
Speaker 2: to be Ridina George. I love their fashion and the
Speaker 2: whole high school experience, so kind of learning later that
Speaker 2: it was had to reflect and be like, oh no,
Speaker 2: they're actually mean, Like you don't even want to be
Speaker 2: like Caddy Heron, you kind of want to be like
Speaker 2: the ard freaks. But yeah, I feel like every time
Speaker 2: I watch it, it's got that mix of nostalgia as
Speaker 2: well as it just yeah, it stands up like it's
Speaker 2: funny and it's smart. Yeah, and I love the actors
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 1: It's everyone's so good it's it's funny watching it now
Speaker 1: if you're get a chance to watch it recently, if
Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, go see it's it's so good.
Speaker 1: But to see Reggie mcadam's play like, you know, not
Speaker 1: kind of a sweet Regie mcadam's role, like she's kind
Speaker 1: of the she's the queen, mean girl is it's kind
Speaker 1: of weird.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: It's so weird, isn't it? Because you then watch her
Speaker 2: in the Notebook and you like see her in interviews
Speaker 2: and yeah, every other character that she plays, it's like
Speaker 2: you can't reconcile the two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but she I remember seeing her in Wedding Crashes.
Speaker 1: I think was the one that I really noticed her
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, she is, like I can understand
Speaker 1: why she's cast in that role because she is like
Speaker 1: every guy, every straight guy would go, well, that's who
Speaker 1: I want to be my girlfriend.
Speaker 4: It's like that that girl. And then and she's kind.
Speaker 1: Of played a lot of those roles, and she's some
Speaker 1: diversity in her roles as far as she would strive
Speaker 1: for more interesting stuff, you know, later on in her career,
Speaker 1: but she certainly had that kind of she was the
Speaker 1: golden girl for you know, a long time notebook and
Speaker 1: wedding crashes and so yeah, to see her and it's
Speaker 1: blonde with the blonde eyebrows as well. Is is really
Speaker 1: it's got to take you back a little bit. Amy
Speaker 1: Poehler is so so funny.
Speaker 4: Is the cool mum? Yes, yes, the other one.
Speaker 1: Who makes me laugh a lot, like Tina fe is
Speaker 1: so good at She's obviously a very good joke writer,
Speaker 1: you know, through years of Saturday in my life. But
Speaker 1: her ability the pepper that at the right moments, those
Speaker 1: assembly scenes with Tim Meadows, you know, playing I think
Speaker 1: he's the principal. They're just perfect jokes at the right time.
Speaker 1: They're never superfluous, you know, it's all still part of
Speaker 1: the plot and character building, and it's just it's so good.
Speaker 2: It's genius. So I would watch it when we had
Speaker 2: it on DVD, and I remember being downstairs at my parents'
Speaker 2: house and there was this little tiny like this is
Speaker 2: obviously before you could be streaming and like kind of
Speaker 2: like clicking exactly where you wanted to go in the movie.
Speaker 2: And there's this scene when Caddie goes to the Halloween
Speaker 2: party and she's dress up as the kind of like
Speaker 2: Vampire Bride and she walks out because this guy sitting
Speaker 2: on a sense and he sees her and he goes
Speaker 2: and like so backwards, Like it's the most stupid slapstick
Speaker 2: thing I've ever seen. But I just have to bees
Speaker 2: really like clear memories of just going back and like
Speaker 2: making the CD go back and back and just actually
Speaker 2: physical tunes like rolling down my cheeks. It's it's like
Speaker 2: a core memory of my childhood.
Speaker 1: Well, and that doesn't that doesn't surprise me because what
Speaker 1: I've observed of you with you the Summer's content that
Speaker 1: you put out into the world, that you are like
Speaker 1: a celebrator of I think pop culture, you know, and
Speaker 1: and and you don't seem to me to be an
Speaker 1: overly cynical person. No, you you do embrace You embrace
Speaker 1: pop culture and a bit of silliness.
Speaker 2: I love silliness. I can't help myself. I think like,
Speaker 2: I've got a show with Flex Mummy on cater It's
Speaker 2: called Flex and Frooms, And kind of when we first
Speaker 2: started recording, I was like, oh, I've got to be
Speaker 2: a bit more cerebral. I've got to come with kind
Speaker 2: of like social dilemmas and talk about people's behavior, and
Speaker 2: now that we've been doing it for a year, I'm
Speaker 2: just like, that's just not my I can't. I find
Speaker 2: it really hard to like criticize things. I just would
Speaker 2: prefer to find the funny things happening or kind of
Speaker 2: like try to find a way to be entertaining as
Speaker 2: opposed to to I guess I'm just trying to find
Speaker 2: my own way to talk about issues or like discuss
Speaker 2: serious things, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: And I think I think it's really refreshing as people
Speaker 1: who and I've said the gravitation towards it, you know,
Speaker 1: people like you more recently because it's like I like
Speaker 1: people who. There's so much stuff to be down about,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's ways of doing comedy and you
Speaker 1: know I've done before where you tend to be angry
Speaker 1: about something that happens a lot, you know, but to
Speaker 1: find somebody who just is genuinely celebrating that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you can't be taking the piss, you know, and all that.
Speaker 1: But you like Brendan cow you know, he's a friend
Speaker 1: of mine and we made a movie together, you know,
Speaker 1: in twenty ten, and he made like he loves his
Speaker 1: music and he made like a like little.
Speaker 4: At the end of it wasn't quite the wrap party
Speaker 4: was the end the end of shoot party.
Speaker 1: And he made like a mixed kind of tape which
Speaker 1: is was on CD at the time, and it had
Speaker 1: like bands, and I kind of thought when I saw,
Speaker 1: I thought he was kind of taking the piss. I thought, ah,
Speaker 1: like it had maybe it had like I'm making this up,
Speaker 1: but like Duran, Duran and Kylie and you know, but
Speaker 1: also like Midlake and and you know, more recent bands
Speaker 1: and Bonavu and stuff like.
Speaker 4: That, And I thought, are you taking the piece?
Speaker 1: Are you kind of saying that Midlake's cool but you
Speaker 1: know and Duranda and this is we laugh at that
Speaker 1: and then and he's like, no, these are like genuinely
Speaker 1: brilliant songs that I love.
Speaker 4: And he's like, and I.
Speaker 1: Kind of thought, yeah, like you don't need to be
Speaker 1: cynical about, you know, everything, you can just celebrate celebrate it,
Speaker 1: you know, find the things you'd love, and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, celebrate it totally.
Speaker 2: I do sometimes like to. I think people who engage
Speaker 2: with the stuff that I've made think that I'm taking
Speaker 2: the piece out of everything as well, which is kind
Speaker 2: of a fun place to play, like I'll post, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I post songs on my story and like, I quite
Speaker 2: like the songs, but they're also kind of not guilty pleasures,
Speaker 2: but they're like old cuts of Australian pop music in
Speaker 2: the early two thousands, and something about them is so
Speaker 2: funny because some one missing me saying, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you intend to be funny every time that you
Speaker 2: post these songs, but it just it hits.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's funny. The term guilty pleasures go. I've
Speaker 1: kind of almost I've started to kind of rally against
Speaker 1: that term in a way, and I think you almost
Speaker 1: alluded to it yourself. It's like, no, what, don't take
Speaker 1: guilt if it gives you pleasure, And I think it's
Speaker 1: part of us growing up. You kind of go, well,
Speaker 1: I it's a bit embarrassing that I you know that,
Speaker 1: I like, I listened to so much bon Jovi growing up.
Speaker 4: So I'm going to kind of like come to this own.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put in a little category over here because
Speaker 1: I want to. I'd rather people know that I listen
Speaker 1: to more of the National now than I bonjo But
Speaker 1: I know they can all exist in the same head,
Speaker 1: you know, I can I can have you know, the
Speaker 1: latest National album in my head and still have space
Speaker 1: for living on a prayer.
Speaker 4: You know, it can still it can still be in there.
Speaker 2: I like to think that I'm pretty good at it too,
Speaker 2: Like I'm happy to listen to Britney Sears all their
Speaker 2: old classics. But I do find when I have people
Speaker 2: over for dinner, I struggle because I'm like, I've got
Speaker 2: to put on like something really low key but also
Speaker 2: kind of a bit R and B and all these
Speaker 2: kind of things that I just go back to the same.
Speaker 2: I can't even say the band is Karu Kabar.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I seen. I haven't committed to
Speaker 1: learning the pronunciation yet. I'm going to see they hang
Speaker 1: around for long enough.
Speaker 2: Exactly. I haven't even seen them live in concert, and
Speaker 2: everybody laughs when I say I for some reason, my
Speaker 2: brain can't wrap my hand around it. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: think I still do have a bit of like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, maybe the Brittany. You know, some songs actually
Speaker 2: are also just good to listen to on your own,
Speaker 2: Like I'm sure there's some Bonjo retracks that you want
Speaker 2: to be alone so you can fully kind of daydream.
Speaker 1: With them, you know, yeah, yeah, absolutely, and and to
Speaker 1: be honest, well I don't listen to them as much
Speaker 1: as I used to, but I will always go to
Speaker 1: the concert because the first concert I ever went to
Speaker 1: was bon Jovi in nineteen eighty eight, which is probably
Speaker 1: you you were born or not even born yet.
Speaker 4: So I kind of have this. I often think of
Speaker 4: the like in life, not.
Speaker 1: Just as far as pop culture goes, but like the
Speaker 1: fourteen year old me and I kind of always have
Speaker 1: these little conversations with the fourteen year old me of
Speaker 1: like I think about what he would be thinking about
Speaker 1: what I'm doing now and all that.
Speaker 4: So musically, that.
Speaker 1: Kind of you know, is quite prevalent because it is
Speaker 1: like that, that's the years where I was learning about
Speaker 1: music and falling in love with music, and being my
Speaker 1: first concert, I'm like, no, I'm at a duty to
Speaker 1: my fourteen.
Speaker 4: Year old self. I will go see bon Jovi, you know,
Speaker 4: every time.
Speaker 1: And There's been conscerts where I've gone to and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: it was all right, you know, I.
Speaker 4: Wasn't into it. But the last love was at the MCG.
Speaker 4: It was great.
Speaker 1: I loved it, you know, and I was there with
Speaker 1: some of my family members and it was yeah, it
Speaker 1: was great. So speaking of celebrating and all your three
Speaker 1: films have joy. The next two Austin Powers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my number Well, that's my number one movie
Speaker 2: of all time.
Speaker 1: Austin Powers are actually this is what in order one, two,
Speaker 1: three these so we stay with me and girls, But
Speaker 1: that was number two.
Speaker 4: Number one was Austin Powers.
Speaker 2: Yes, Austin Powers. I think it came out. Did they
Speaker 2: covered in like ninety eight? Maybe?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I reckon, Oh yes, I reckon around that time.
Speaker 4: I may have thought possibly a touched earlier.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well it was the first movie that I remember
Speaker 2: watching and the movie that is probably the I've probably
Speaker 2: watched it, yeah, the most through my childhood. I'd always
Speaker 2: come back to watch it. To me, it is the
Speaker 2: absolute perfect film. It hits all of my sensibilities in
Speaker 2: a way that nothing else has ever been created. Canon.
Speaker 2: I love the music sequence, I love the sixties fashion.
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a Mike Myers like obsessive. I I
Speaker 2: don't think he's ever done anything, but I don't think
Speaker 2: it's funny. I haven't seen like the Love Guru though,
Speaker 2: I've only really watched the Austin Powers and Wayne's World.
Speaker 2: But I will go back. I went back and watched
Speaker 2: All Some Powers about a year ago, thinking oh, would
Speaker 2: be really outdated and I wouldn't find it funny by
Speaker 2: you know, when you've watched something, are you engage with art?
Speaker 2: I will call it art and you're like, wow, I
Speaker 2: see how this has impluenced my life. I see how
Speaker 2: this influenced my comedy and kind of so much of
Speaker 2: my life I haven't been influenced by Austin Powers, like
Speaker 2: the poor humor, the blue humor, everything about it. And yeah,
Speaker 2: obviously it's got a nossalgic element again, but yeah, it's
Speaker 2: pretty amazing when you find something that was kind of
Speaker 2: the first thing you ever watched and you realize, wow,
Speaker 2: this has had quite a sizeable effect on the stuff
Speaker 2: that I make.
Speaker 4: I guess yeah, And.
Speaker 1: I want to pick your up on something because I'm
Speaker 1: interested in exploring this. You mentioned poor humor, like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: do not be embarrassed, because I love poo humor and
Speaker 1: I was literally speaking to some comedians about it yesterday
Speaker 1: and I detest anybody who does not enjoy who humor,
Speaker 1: Like I am, get over yourselves. What do you find?
Speaker 1: Because while is often like really curious as to why
Speaker 1: I find somebody like shitting themselves so funny like you,
Speaker 1: in a very wearly kind of why. He wants to
Speaker 1: dig deep into my psyche and says, what is it?
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 1: And I say to him because as an adult, it's
Speaker 1: less funny for kitschens his pants. But as an adult,
Speaker 1: you know this shouldn't happen. So you were going to
Speaker 1: remember this day for the rest of your life. Like you,
Speaker 1: there's panic involved, there's emotions, there's probably it's triggering probably
Speaker 1: from it. You know, a childhood point of view, is
Speaker 1: probably trauma involved. But there's a situation that you need
Speaker 1: to kind of create an exit strategy, like there's an
Speaker 1: escape plane that needs to be hatched.
Speaker 4: There are so exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: I sincerely and I was I and I've spoken to
Speaker 1: people who you know, even here in my heart radio,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm not sure how keen they are,
Speaker 1: but I am keen to do a podcast called Whoops,
Speaker 1: I Shat my Pants And it's just it's just people
Speaker 1: telling stories about the time they shat their pants. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's for everyone. I've got a feeling
Speaker 1: you would listen to it.
Speaker 2: I thought, like count me on as the first guest,
Speaker 2: and I'll share everything. Did I appreciate that I've experienced
Speaker 2: in my life? Honestly? I saw him to you the
Speaker 2: other day, which was like, I don't get people who
Speaker 2: don't find sart's funny. It's like you still do them,
Speaker 2: but you don't get any joy out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like it's I
Speaker 1: remember I used to.
Speaker 4: I used to.
Speaker 1: One of the joys that I had growing up was
Speaker 1: like farting into a phone, which makes no sense because
Speaker 1: the other person down the other end, all their hearing
Speaker 1: is like a little bit of distortion and you are
Speaker 1: left with the futrid smell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Pete. I literally yesterday I was on FaceTime
Speaker 2: with my mum. It got to a bit in the
Speaker 2: conversation where it's like we had nothing to say, so
Speaker 2: obviously like I farted into the phone and yeah, she
Speaker 2: was like, what was that?
Speaker 4: If?
Speaker 2: I didn't even register? Right, I am twenty eight years old,
Speaker 2: Like this is Yeah. I'm kind of at the stage
Speaker 2: where I talk about it on my radio show, like
Speaker 2: I want to graduate from pusuma, and yet it is
Speaker 2: such an integral part of my personality that I think
Speaker 2: it's what's it called when something's not fruitful, it's futile,
Speaker 2: futile exercise.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really encourage you not to move on for that.
Speaker 1: Like a good mate of mine, previous guests on this podcast,
Speaker 1: Ben Hurley, he's a great New Zealand comedian. He's in
Speaker 1: a few more shows, and he said, I've noticed every
Speaker 1: every there's always one routine about poo in your shows.
Speaker 1: I said, to be honest, sometimes I've got like a
Speaker 1: backlog of like Pooh routines. But like because I feel
Speaker 1: like if you do too much of it in one show,
Speaker 1: like you lose parts of the audience. But if you
Speaker 1: if you time it right and it's it's a good
Speaker 1: enough for routine, you know you can do you talk
Speaker 1: for enough and then you know eventually you move on,
Speaker 1: Like you can't kind of you can't keep going back
Speaker 1: to the poo well in the same show.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Got pool routines locked in until about twenty thirty two.
Speaker 2: That's important. We all meet somewhere to Oh. I actually
Speaker 2: find like I find it disgusting. It's weird. When I
Speaker 2: think of Pooh, I think of the emoji. You have
Speaker 2: quite an immature, like kind of cute kind of relationship
Speaker 2: to poo. Yeah, whereas the shitting of the pants, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the reality of it is actually quite terrifying.
Speaker 1: It's traumatic, and it's like if you shit your pants,
Speaker 1: you know that day, Like it's never gonna be not
Speaker 1: in your memory unless you know, like you psychologically this
Speaker 1: can block it out somehow, but it's like, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: always gonna You're always gonna know. And there are people
Speaker 1: I love, people who speak quite openly about like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, as an adult, I've never shot my pants,
Speaker 1: but I there are people I know. I've got a
Speaker 1: brother in law who just he's got twenty stories about
Speaker 1: as an adult, him shooting his pants, and he quite openly,
Speaker 1: like tells the story. Like you'll meet him and within
Speaker 1: three minutes he's telling you about the time he shot
Speaker 1: his pants.
Speaker 4: Dinner, over dinner anywhere. It could be in church, you
Speaker 4: could be a wedding, or something could be a funeral.
Speaker 2: In his See, I have limits, like no food can
Speaker 2: people that don't be a romantic setting.
Speaker 1: I mean there are times sometimes you had to stop
Speaker 1: the commedy. You okay, let's not now, not now. I
Speaker 1: said something I remember the other day of my one
Speaker 1: of my sons when he was like five, and he
Speaker 1: said to me, I got a bit of a whiff,
Speaker 1: and you know, I was like, oh.
Speaker 4: Mate, do you need to go to the toilet? He goes, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: I think it. I think you do.
Speaker 1: I said, give you a look, give me like a
Speaker 1: look and there was like shit in his pants. Said mate,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Like you know, you know you
Speaker 1: need to go to the bathroom. You're five. And he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: it was just a shot. I'm mate.
Speaker 4: No, you give me understood.
Speaker 1: A shot is always an accident. It's not a choice.
Speaker 1: You don't go this is a shot. I'm going to
Speaker 1: let this one through. No, it's a complete misunderstanding of
Speaker 1: what a shot is.
Speaker 2: He needs an education.
Speaker 4: He really does, he really does. All right, let's move
Speaker 4: on to your third film.
Speaker 1: Before we get into the film, we're here to talk
Speaker 1: about a movie that took all before it won the Oscar,
Speaker 1: everything everywhere, all at once.
Speaker 4: I saw this at the cinema with that knowing much.
Speaker 1: I saw the trailer and thought that looks really interesting
Speaker 1: and was bloody hell was I blown away?
Speaker 4: What a joyous, beautiful movie?
Speaker 2: I did the exact same. I didn't know anything about.
Speaker 2: It was here in Heaps of Hip, so I went.
Speaker 2: I just have this memory of feeling like my chest
Speaker 2: was being gripped of this kind of like being gripped
Speaker 2: by the emotion of that film and the kind of
Speaker 2: crescendo of when the mum and the daughter a kind
Speaker 2: of like there's this tension of them finding the whole
Speaker 2: way through and then when they had this kind of
Speaker 2: like juncture junction, they come together and there's this kind
Speaker 2: of like fight between them, but this really like deep
Speaker 2: love that I feel they had to go through all
Speaker 2: of this Redmarold to find it. And I thought as well,
Speaker 2: it was like a really beautiful illustration of you know,
Speaker 2: the daughter is quite nihilistic and she's depressed, and I
Speaker 2: thought it was a really beautiful illustration of her coming
Speaker 2: out of it. Or to me, it was a fantastical
Speaker 2: just yeah, illustration of so many big emotions in a
Speaker 2: way that was so fun and so creative and you
Speaker 2: just had to Yeah, it blew me away. I was crying.
Speaker 2: I find it really I find crying embarrassing, Like I
Speaker 2: struggle with it, especially in public, Like if I'm crying
Speaker 2: in a movie I'm like, this is like my shouting experience,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I'd prefer to shout in
Speaker 2: a movie then cry. Okay here I was like I
Speaker 2: was a wreck and I just had that emotion of
Speaker 2: being like I want everyone to go and watch this movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was such a special movie.
Speaker 1: And when we're watching a game, well, this is a
Speaker 1: fun film, Like it's bonkers and it's got some crazy ideas.
Speaker 1: And but you're right about like that those moments between
Speaker 1: the mother and the daughter, And for me it was
Speaker 1: it was her husband and her when she The moment
Speaker 1: that got me that I thought this has gone from
Speaker 1: like a fun, crazy film to like something that actually
Speaker 1: has gotten into, you know, inside of me was when
Speaker 1: he said, you see my kindness as a weakness, but
Speaker 1: it's actually a strategy. And I think that is such
Speaker 1: a beautiful message at this time and and you know,
Speaker 1: in history to put out there, because again we've spoken
Speaker 1: about cynicism and there's so much vitriol and hate and
Speaker 1: and and kindness is often seen as as.
Speaker 4: Oh, you know, like cute and.
Speaker 1: Disposable in a way, and and not as as a
Speaker 1: way of actually navigating life. You know, it's just like
Speaker 1: you know, almost like, oh, well it's nice to be kind,
Speaker 1: but to really get through life you need to be
Speaker 1: an asshole or do this and do that. So for
Speaker 1: him to point out that, to be honest, it's it's like,
Speaker 1: it's not when Kate Lanchett pointed out when she wanted
Speaker 1: Anosci years ago that casting women in you know, as
Speaker 1: leads and good roles is not just a nice thing
Speaker 1: to do. It is actually it is financially rewarding. Like
Speaker 1: there's an audience for this, so actually, don't if you
Speaker 1: don't want anything to see there's like the right thing
Speaker 1: to do. See it as economically, you know, a positive
Speaker 1: thing and you know, a forceful thing to do.
Speaker 4: You'll make money.
Speaker 1: And it's like it's like this, it's like, well, if
Speaker 1: you're kind, it's not just about oh well, you know,
Speaker 1: people will like you. It's actually about it. It's a
Speaker 1: way of actually navigating life. It's not just you know,
Speaker 1: it's not flimsy. It's actually a considered choice.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, And often think about people who have like
Speaker 2: been to really traumatous experiences or you know that I've
Speaker 2: seen in the media or I've seen in my life,
Speaker 2: and it always strikes you when they are very very
Speaker 2: kind because I think to myself, Oh, you're someone who
Speaker 2: you know, should be allowed to be upset with the
Speaker 2: world and kind of yeah, put out. And you're the kindest,
Speaker 2: most kind of patient person that I know. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: that's always very touching and kind of Yeah, it's inspiring
Speaker 2: to make you want to be like, oh, you know this,
Speaker 2: this is easy and it makes other people feel Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's inspiring.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I say to Dan McPherson, who's you know, he was
Speaker 1: in Neighbors and he's a great actor and lovely, lovely
Speaker 1: bloke and one of the best looking humans I've seen,
Speaker 1: And remember always saying to him. I say to him,
Speaker 1: if I if I look like you, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: as nice as you.
Speaker 4: It would actually get to my head a little bit.
Speaker 4: I said, I can't.
Speaker 1: I need to kind of like my kindness is it
Speaker 1: has to be a strategy. I can't get away with
Speaker 1: being an asshole. So if I was you, then I
Speaker 1: would be like, you know, fuck this.
Speaker 2: I don't have time.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's talk about this incredible film from nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty directed by Alfred Hitchcock. It is a movie that
Speaker 1: has lived in the public psyche since the day it
Speaker 1: was released, Rooms did you enjoy Psycho?
Speaker 2: I really, I didn't have any expectations. I went into
Speaker 2: this in a work scenario, thinking I don't have any
Speaker 2: choice but to finish this movie, and from the first
Speaker 2: like five minutes, I was into it. Oh yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: So I didn't realize I've got a really bad habit.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've interviewed other people that do this of
Speaker 2: like googling through movies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Really I think because I was watching it by myself,
Speaker 2: so I know, I didn't have anyone to be like,
Speaker 2: stop doing that, stop doing that. But I googled the
Speaker 2: main woman straight away and realized it was Jamie Ye
Speaker 2: Curtis's mum.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, like I would not
Speaker 2: have even I don't even really think they look similar.
Speaker 2: And I deal with her because I really liked her
Speaker 2: performance from the start, like I found her really, you know,
Speaker 2: I was intrigued by her, and I thought, I now
Speaker 2: I think that I noticed the movie. I was like,
Speaker 2: all the acting I think is really great. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the stuff that I've seen
Speaker 2: from that era, which admittedly isn't much. I the acting
Speaker 2: in those kind of movies feel so different to realistic acting. Now, yeah,
Speaker 2: so for it to be kind of believable, Oh this
Speaker 2: is this feels modern or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you get sometimes even within a movie, you get
Speaker 1: those performances which feel like they are of that certain
Speaker 1: acting style. And then sometimes occasionally you get even one
Speaker 1: performance within that movie that you're going to go, well
Speaker 1: that person.
Speaker 4: I think there's one for me.
Speaker 1: It's a wonderful life where somebody it's not James Stewart,
Speaker 1: but it's one of the actresses who just feels like
Speaker 1: they are you could you could step into the screen
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three and not have to change that
Speaker 1: much about your style of acting.
Speaker 4: But it's very rare. But I agree.
Speaker 1: I think performances here are really good, you know, and
Speaker 1: I think they're just you know, unsurprisingly, there are smart
Speaker 1: choices made the whole way through.
Speaker 4: So what was really interesting for me was the star.
Speaker 1: So you had this bird's eye view of Phoenix, Arizona,
Speaker 1: and there's a we'll get to the bird motif throughout
Speaker 1: this film, which obviously is reasonably important, and then you
Speaker 1: go into this hotel room and to see this little
Speaker 1: rendezvous and they give you a time and which is Friday,
Speaker 1: December eleven, two forty three.
Speaker 4: I think it was, which I thought was interesting.
Speaker 1: I musture of you like the Coen Brothers did with Fargo,
Speaker 1: where they had based on a true story even though
Speaker 1: it wasn't And I thought the reason for doing it
Speaker 1: was to make it feel like in nineteen sixty, to
Speaker 1: make it feel oh, this is this is like maybe
Speaker 1: this is true, and to give it a sense of
Speaker 1: time and place and and oh this actually happened, even
Speaker 1: though I believe the book was based.
Speaker 4: On on a on a real story, but.
Speaker 1: This is it is the work of fiction. But did
Speaker 1: you did you kind of think about what that meant?
Speaker 1: Did a meaning thing to you? To give that make
Speaker 1: you think? Why is there? Why are they timestamping this
Speaker 1: at all?
Speaker 2: I should got this?
Speaker 4: Which is fair enough?
Speaker 1: This is like this is always say always say that
Speaker 1: people on this podcast have watched a movie generally once.
Speaker 1: Occasionally somebody will give it a second view, so you
Speaker 1: are still processing it.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: The only reason I can tell you that they actually
Speaker 1: had the time stamp because thought it's a really clever move,
Speaker 1: because it makes you think, oh, this is maybe this
Speaker 1: is a true story. Was when she's driving later on,
Speaker 1: in the background, there's some Christmas decorations. So Hitchcock thought, well,
Speaker 1: all time stamp, but that's in December and that, you know,
Speaker 1: so that they kind of explained. I didn't even notice
Speaker 1: the Christmas decorations to be ones, but that's the reason
Speaker 1: it's there. But we do go intough this hotel room
Speaker 1: and we find maryon crane with Sam and they're having
Speaker 1: a bit of a rendezvous.
Speaker 4: What were your what did you think of that?
Speaker 1: And this is this is nineteen sixty, so this is like,
Speaker 1: this is these are scenes that we had to be
Speaker 1: you know, past the censor, and then there's a whole
Speaker 1: story in regards to that. But you know, it was
Speaker 1: it was you know, it was was resourced for nineteen sixty.
Speaker 1: She's lying on the.
Speaker 2: Bed Brasi air out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the first thing I noticed from that scene, the
Speaker 2: one with the one thing that I remembered that kind
Speaker 2: of I thought, oh, maybe this is Obviously I'd heard
Speaker 2: Alfred Hitchcock a million times, but I didn't really know anything.
Speaker 2: I've never seen any of these other films.
Speaker 4: Did in no way.
Speaker 2: It was so famous that the first thing I noticed
Speaker 2: was the panning shot where they panned like directly into
Speaker 2: the window and then through the window into the room,
Speaker 2: and I thought, oh my god, that would have been
Speaker 2: so hard to do at that time to get it
Speaker 2: that smooth. So I said, oh, that's a that's a feat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mainly I'm so I've been watching a lot of
Speaker 2: sex in the City, so I think I'm just immune
Speaker 2: to any kind of like racy scene, Like everything looks
Speaker 2: so pg compared to that. Like I watched Second the
Speaker 2: City straight after to like cleanse my mind of the scariness.
Speaker 1: Well what was I thought was interesting because I think
Speaker 1: when you first go in there, you think there's some
Speaker 1: kind of a sort of affair going on here, like
Speaker 1: that there's a it's an affair as far as there's
Speaker 1: a third party that is unaware of that this is happening.
Speaker 1: But I think that again, he makes these smart choices,
Speaker 1: and I guess I've writed did where because.
Speaker 4: We don't have a lot of time.
Speaker 1: You know, this gets going pretty quickly, this whole story,
Speaker 1: and we want to like Mary, We need to like
Speaker 1: Marian because she's about to do something, you know, criminal,
Speaker 1: So I think at first we are. He lets us
Speaker 1: for about a middle or too think that this is maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, something a bit controversial is happening here, and
Speaker 1: then you realize, oh, no, he's a divorcee and he've
Speaker 1: got some financial issue issues, and you know, she's she
Speaker 1: just wants to this to be the next time we
Speaker 1: will have dinner, you know, we'll have lunch with my sister.
Speaker 1: And so there's actually nothing controversial really about it as
Speaker 1: far as you know, just I mean, and if this
Speaker 1: is nine twenty twenty three, wouldn't wouldn't even blink at
Speaker 1: the beginning of that, We wouldn't go, well, there's an effect,
Speaker 1: you know, we wouldn't worry about what up?
Speaker 2: Did you guys mean on? Give us the tea?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then so he's kind of like he is
Speaker 1: protecting Marian from, you know, the harsh judgments which would
Speaker 1: have been harsher in nineteen sixty, even to the point
Speaker 1: where the guy who comes in with the forty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars is the biggest jerk, like in the world, like
Speaker 1: she's about to steal his money. But so he makes
Speaker 1: it very clear that we don't like this guy's awful,
Speaker 1: he's a sleeze. He's got forty probably doesn't mean much
Speaker 1: to him. So we kind of forgive her for that crime.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's surprisingly at the start though, I didn't think
Speaker 2: that she was going to take the money, even when
Speaker 2: she was driving away. Oh it was only at a
Speaker 2: certain point that I realized, oh, she's actually going to
Speaker 2: run away with it. Like it kind of dawned on me,
Speaker 2: probably a bit later than it should have. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that guy, he I didn't feel bad at all. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: because you're like, oh, it's like when someone flaunts money, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then he's a tight us. You're like, well, you's like,
Speaker 2: I've just gone through the ridden role of like having
Speaker 2: to appease your ego, so I should be compensated, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, And like the difference, like if you can
Speaker 1: imagine somebody coming in with hat in hand, and this
Speaker 1: is out of last forty thousand dollars and they need this,
Speaker 1: they're investing this, so hopefully it works that they can
Speaker 1: pay off the you know, pay for the farm or.
Speaker 4: Whatever it might be.
Speaker 1: That's a very different They put you in a very
Speaker 1: different headspace towards Marion. But because we're presented with this
Speaker 1: horrendous man, we're like, yeah, go for it.
Speaker 4: Taking forty thousand dollars. Where we are on team Marian
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 1: So and then and also like later on when she's
Speaker 1: she's going to leave the hotel to go back, and
Speaker 1: and like she even said before her demise, she's actually
Speaker 1: kind of said she she's going back to make she
Speaker 1: untangle herself in the trap that she got herself into.
Speaker 1: So there's even even up until that point, Hitchcock is
Speaker 1: you know, we are always.
Speaker 2: On team Marian totally, totally.
Speaker 1: And she gets obviously, she leaves, she gets seen by
Speaker 1: the boss, her boss, and then pulled over by the cop.
Speaker 1: Which the CoP's not very he's investigation of her. Like
Speaker 1: he gets the number five. I'm not sure what he does.
Speaker 1: He gets the license, he looks at the number plate,
Speaker 1: and then then she just drives off.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know that's what I was.
Speaker 2: I was waiting for him to come back and you know,
Speaker 2: put all the pieces together, but he just yeah.
Speaker 4: Always to go. She goes.
Speaker 1: But then he kind of sees her trading in this
Speaker 1: car and stands on the other side of the road
Speaker 1: just looking over. It's a very quick trading, by the way,
Speaker 1: I mean, I wish you can't rent a car that quickly.
Speaker 2: O Life's the live itch is like he's never the
Speaker 2: car salesman had like never felt that much pressure on
Speaker 2: the had never been on the receiving end. Is that
Speaker 2: much pressure?
Speaker 1: I see the miss in I've got a real thing.
Speaker 1: I do a return to the show. I think at
Speaker 1: the moment, deconstructor O gaming, I'm still playing Perth. Howe
Speaker 1: about We're coming to you soon?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 1: I talk about how long it takes a check into hotels,
Speaker 1: like considering they all have your everything, everything they could
Speaker 1: possibly need is they have when you book the hotel,
Speaker 1: and then they take a long time when you're checking in.
Speaker 1: But I think the car rental industry have seen that
Speaker 1: and gone, I think we can do worse than you
Speaker 1: because I feel like when you go rent a car,
Speaker 1: it's very simple. Again, you have my details, I booked
Speaker 1: the car, I assume the car is there, Just give
Speaker 1: me the keys and it's it's like I feel like
Speaker 1: to work in the car rental industry, like you can't
Speaker 1: type like that. They must like test your typing and
Speaker 1: if you type too fast you're not allowed to work.
Speaker 1: It's like they will just it's just like one finger
Speaker 1: typing at budget or hurts, you know.
Speaker 4: It really it is.
Speaker 1: I've had a few infuriating experiences with car rental places recently,
Speaker 1: but I won't let that still time from talking about Psycho.
Speaker 4: Then they so let's get to the Baits, the Baits motel,
Speaker 4: hotel motor. I think it's a motel.
Speaker 1: When you met Norman Baits, did you know We'll get
Speaker 1: to We'll get to the twist later.
Speaker 4: But do you know like the twist? Did you know,
Speaker 4: like you near the shower scene? Yeah, I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The next big thing to know is the twist that
Speaker 1: were you aware you? Do you think his mother was
Speaker 1: up in the the in that house?
Speaker 2: Yes? I did. I ruined the surprise though for me
Speaker 2: because I watched the movie in two parts. I watched
Speaker 2: it two nights ago and then I watched it the
Speaker 2: second half last night.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: In the bath and my apartment is like a nineteen
Speaker 2: forties kind of brick. It's got the bathroom is untouched.
Speaker 2: It's the same bathtub since back then. And I think
Speaker 2: the motel looks kind of forties ish, even though it
Speaker 2: was said in the sixties. It kind of looks like
Speaker 2: a rundown, that kind of eric type of thing. And
Speaker 2: the reason I don't I don't have a showercun because
Speaker 2: of the movie. So obviously it's been deep and less
Speaker 2: psyche for a long time.
Speaker 4: Is that is that true?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I can't have a showercut and that's terrifying.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah it is, like and apparently like yeah, like
Speaker 1: people having showers. It had like a massive impact on
Speaker 1: women having showers. Janet ly I would not have a
Speaker 1: shower for years, like really yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: had a massive impact on her.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so I figured out that the second twist
Speaker 2: because I was looking at Norman Baits and I was like,
Speaker 2: he kind of looks samiliar. And my cousin had sent
Speaker 2: me a picture of my dad when he was young
Speaker 2: the day before and I'll show you just so you
Speaker 2: can I can get you or actually picking they were
Speaker 2: kind of similar, most kind of dark hair, skinny type looking.
Speaker 2: Here we go, So here's Norman Baits, you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's him, and then my dad. Look my dad kind
Speaker 2: of looks like a serial killer. But that's similar, right, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: types look.
Speaker 1: In fact, he's yeah, and you're right, he's giving off
Speaker 1: like a Steelia serial killer looked more so than Norman
Speaker 1: Baits in that photo. I'm not sure that's Norman Bates
Speaker 1: or just Anthony Perkins. I'm not sure if Anthony Perkins's
Speaker 1: character there, but wow.
Speaker 2: Also his Anthony Perkkin's like in heaps of other movies
Speaker 2: when he's older.
Speaker 1: He didn't have He came back and did Psycho two.
Speaker 1: I think Psycho three as well. He's insane. He worked
Speaker 1: a lot, but there's nothing, there's nothing that particularly stands
Speaker 1: out that that would rival anywhere close to Psycho in
Speaker 1: his career.
Speaker 4: So it worked, but nothing that kind of was, you know,
Speaker 4: the Norman Baits level.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why, that's how I came to twist, because
Speaker 2: then I started looking at photos of this Anthony guy
Speaker 2: and I saw him in the other part of the movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, which is.
Speaker 2: A bit disappointing because I'm not sure I would have
Speaker 2: seen it coming. I was a bit like daf through
Speaker 2: this meet me to be honest.
Speaker 1: Well, it's so I was so interested because I watched
Speaker 1: this when in my teenage years, and I knew there
Speaker 1: was something to do with the mother Side. I forget
Speaker 1: if I completely saw it as a twist or not,
Speaker 1: or like if it worked on me. But yeah, now,
Speaker 1: now sixty three years after the movie was made. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder how many people will still you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know that there's I mean, the fact is that
Speaker 1: there are there are You do hear the mother talking,
Speaker 1: you know like you do hear And that wasn't Anthony
Speaker 1: Perkins talking. That they got I think three different actresses
Speaker 1: and they kind of mixed in a mix of all
Speaker 1: three of them.
Speaker 4: So there is like I'm sure, I'm not sure if
Speaker 4: that's cheating. I don't know. I think it is because
Speaker 4: where's the audience hearing that.
Speaker 1: I feel like potentially that Anthony Perkins should be made
Speaker 1: to do that voice.
Speaker 2: I think so true. Maybe the one kind of tiny
Speaker 2: giveaway was that it was so loud, like Marion hearing
Speaker 2: it from down in the thing, but it sounded like
Speaker 2: she was in the next room. Yeah, maybe that was
Speaker 2: a bit of a giveaway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, actually let's have listened to This is the
Speaker 1: mother and the Norman arguing from inside the mansion.
Speaker 6: No, I tell you no, I won't have you bringing
Speaker 6: strange young girls and patapa by handlelight I suppose.
Speaker 7: And the cheap paratic fashion of young men with cheap
Speaker 7: barotic mind father please, And.
Speaker 6: Then what after Sapa music with Firs.
Speaker 7: Whether she's just a stranger, she's hungry and it's raining out.
Speaker 6: Matter, she's just a stranger as this man though desire
Speaker 6: strangers as if Oh, I refuse to speak of disgusting
Speaker 6: things because they distrusted me. You understand, boy, go on,
Speaker 6: go tell us you'll not be appeasing her ugly appetite
Speaker 6: with my boo oh.
Speaker 1: My son.
Speaker 6: Or do I have to tell her because you don't
Speaker 6: have the guts a boy, you have the Dutch boy?
Speaker 4: Shut up?
Speaker 8: Shut up.
Speaker 1: There is almost overlap in a weird way, which kind
Speaker 1: of I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's confusing.
Speaker 1: It's confusing that they're like, are we to believe that
Speaker 1: Norman Bates is a well, I guess we.
Speaker 4: Find it later on. I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess it's not a performance. It's actually it is
Speaker 1: like it is. It's a schizophrenia, I guess. But the
Speaker 1: fact that there's almost like a tiny bit of overlap
Speaker 1: make you know, I don't like, because it does like
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, obviously it's a mental condition that
Speaker 1: he has to find out later, but he still can't.
Speaker 1: He still needs to be talking as Norman and then
Speaker 1: talking as the mother. You can't be doing it at
Speaker 1: the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe if he had snapchat back then then it
Speaker 2: was like okay, but no one can modulate their voice
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah. I was so surprised though with the
Speaker 2: movie that the shower scene was so early on. I
Speaker 2: think that's what intrigues.
Speaker 4: Me, exactly what I was going to ask you about.
Speaker 1: And this shocked audiences in nineteen sixty generally was a
Speaker 1: big star and it was deliberately cast. Hitchcock deliberately cast
Speaker 1: a big star because you don't you know, particularly back then,
Speaker 1: you didn't.
Speaker 4: This is pregame of Thrones.
Speaker 1: Obviously, you don't kill off main characters and big stars.
Speaker 1: And this happens like you through a third of the movie.
Speaker 1: Before this happened so often with iconic moments, and when
Speaker 1: wee were watching films for the first time, I often wonder,
Speaker 1: did the moment that you were waiting for happen when
Speaker 1: you're expecting and I would I be writing suggesting you
Speaker 1: may have thought this happened in the climax of the film.
Speaker 2: Yes, at the very end, like it ends with her dying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the last.
Speaker 1: Scene i'd seen this film and I knew it happened
Speaker 1: like earlier than you'd expect. But even watching it last night,
Speaker 1: I was like, this happens really quickly. She said bye,
Speaker 1: and were you What were you thinking?
Speaker 4: What was it? Tense? Was it? How are you feeling
Speaker 4: watching the shower scene.
Speaker 2: I thought it would be more gruesome than it was.
Speaker 2: I quite liked it felt quite restrained, like when no
Speaker 2: one walks back into the room to kind of clean
Speaker 2: her up. You barely see her. I thought that the
Speaker 2: feeling of that was really interesting because she's always below
Speaker 2: the camera. But I thought it was well done.
Speaker 4: Well it took it took seven days.
Speaker 1: I can tell you for rooms, it took seven days
Speaker 1: to shoot seventy different camera setups. There were ninety edits
Speaker 1: or fast cuts. The stabbing sound was the sound of
Speaker 1: a knife stabbing of watermelon.
Speaker 4: Well, they used blood. The blood was chocolate syrup.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons why he wanted to
Speaker 1: shoot in black and white, because he knew that he
Speaker 1: wanted it to be quite glory, and he knew he
Speaker 1: would have trouble getting it across the sensor if it
Speaker 1: was in color. Generally, he was also supposed to have contacts,
Speaker 1: but it took back then it took a long time
Speaker 1: to kind of have these contacts made and deliver, so
Speaker 1: they didn't have the time because I must if you
Speaker 1: notice that when you go, it's a great transition shot
Speaker 1: from the plug or the drain of the bath into
Speaker 1: her eye she's lying down, it's a great shot and
Speaker 1: holds on it for a long time. And they had
Speaker 1: no like there's no post production where you back then
Speaker 1: where you could kind of like do some tricks. But
Speaker 1: there's a tiny little flicker to the point where I
Speaker 1: think the first time I saw it, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's a lie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but she is she is dead.
Speaker 1: It was the first time a nude model, like a
Speaker 1: standing model was used a body double, and there was
Speaker 1: massive There was massive like when the senses came in.
Speaker 1: There were six men who had to kind of decide
Speaker 1: whether this was going to be allowed, and three of
Speaker 1: them said they could see nudity, and three of them
Speaker 1: said they didn't see any nudity. So they sent a
Speaker 1: memo back to Hitchcock saying can you remove the nudity?
Speaker 1: And Hitchcock did decide not to do it, didn't touch
Speaker 1: it at all. Anybody wrote a memo back a few
Speaker 1: days later saying yes, I've removed all the nudity. And
Speaker 1: they watched it again and the three people who said
Speaker 1: they saw the nudity said, yet, no, it's not there anymore.
Speaker 1: But the other three who said they didn't see the
Speaker 1: nudity were now seeing nudity. What so it was a
Speaker 1: weird And it means it scenes working because it's like
Speaker 1: the tricks he has played on your mind and what
Speaker 1: you think you are seeing is quite incredible. And the
Speaker 1: combination of that fast editing and the score which is incredible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's such a it's such a brilliantly executed I mean.
Speaker 1: And when you think about the camera equipment, that's what
Speaker 1: they said, like seventy different camera setups. You got that
Speaker 1: scene of the falling down like you're looking up at it.
Speaker 1: This is equipment that wasn't waterproof. They had to design
Speaker 1: shower heads that kind of came, you know, like sprayed,
Speaker 1: not straight down into the camera, like you can imagine
Speaker 1: that shot. Now you might have the you know, water
Speaker 1: falling into the camera and you get away with that,
Speaker 1: but now you have to like protect the lighting and
Speaker 1: the cameras, you know, because seven days you probably shoot
Speaker 1: that now in two days, I imagine with the speed
Speaker 1: they can move. And the other interesting thing about this scene,
Speaker 1: and it's quite a tragic detail, there was a body
Speaker 1: double called Marley Renfro who was so she's the body double,
Speaker 1: and she became quite famous as a result of this.
Speaker 1: She was on the Playboy cover in nineteen sixty. It
Speaker 1: was reported that she was murdered in the late eighties.
Speaker 1: I believe rape the murdered, but it turns out that
Speaker 1: it wasn't her. It was another woman called Mayra Davis,
Speaker 1: who was the body standing for the lighting checks. So
Speaker 1: not only they had the body double for Janetly, they
Speaker 1: also had a body standing for the lighting checks, and
Speaker 1: these two women were often people got confused, you know,
Speaker 1: they went sure which one did what, and sadly, a
Speaker 1: psycho obsessive basically killed Mara Davis thinking it was Marley Renfro.
Speaker 1: He wanted to kill the body that he had seen
Speaker 1: be murdered on film in Psycho.
Speaker 4: Really yeah, it's really horror.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's shocking, and another you know, kind of creepiness
Speaker 1: still already pretty creepy scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's the kind of movie that you know,
Speaker 2: there's like Alfred hitch stuck. They'd be kind of like
Speaker 2: mega fans stuff like people that are obsessed with because
Speaker 2: he was kind of like the pioneer of horror or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, suspense, and this was this was kind of scene
Speaker 1: as you know, he wanted this. He kept everything so
Speaker 1: quiet and he wanted this to kind of that's why
Speaker 1: he started with it like that's you know, we'll call
Speaker 1: it the sex scene, because he wanted the people to
Speaker 1: think he was just making this tawdry kind of little
Speaker 1: you know, b Gray kind of you know, kind of
Speaker 1: flick with you know, had some horror and some gore
Speaker 1: and sex, and you know it was tantalizing and titillating,
Speaker 1: and he kept everything really really quiet.
Speaker 4: So there's a real kind of appetite.
Speaker 1: Even though Paramount, who Hitchkay had to deal with, hated
Speaker 1: the film. They didn't think it worked. They kind of
Speaker 1: said they didn't fund it. Hitchcock ended up funding a
Speaker 1: lot of the film by himself. They shouted at the
Speaker 1: Universal a lot which famously now that you can you
Speaker 1: get on the Universal tour and the Baits House is
Speaker 1: like you wanted the mate, you know that enjoys are
Speaker 1: probably the two things you kind of remember, and the
Speaker 1: flash flood, of course, but so the previews didn't go great.
Speaker 1: And then Hitchcock this, you know, he did this thing
Speaker 1: where he put out this videos or videos or film
Speaker 1: or trailers kind of saying that please do not discuss
Speaker 1: the ending of this film. You know, if you've seen it,
Speaker 1: we only have one ending. And if you if you
Speaker 1: were late to the cinema, you are not allowed in.
Speaker 1: You know, whether you are the Queen of England, the
Speaker 1: President of the United States, if you are late, you
Speaker 1: had not And they kind of policed it, they kind
Speaker 1: of made sure that cinema owners were actually policing that
Speaker 1: rule that you were not allowed in. So and it
Speaker 1: opens massively and it becomes, you know, a huge, massive film,
Speaker 1: and a Paramount executive did say that they were before
Speaker 1: it opened that they were relieved that the.
Speaker 4: Paramount logo was not on the front of the movie.
Speaker 4: It was universal. So lots of egg on a lot
Speaker 4: of faces.
Speaker 1: So do you you see the silhouette of whoever it is,
Speaker 1: you know now it's Norman Bates. Did you what were
Speaker 1: you thinking? Were you thinking? You know this stage? Where
Speaker 1: were you in your little Google searching?
Speaker 2: I didn't googled yet so I suilly thought it was
Speaker 2: the mother and no one's cute, like he's got her
Speaker 2: a sandwich, and I guess when he looks through the
Speaker 2: little peepole at her in the bathroom, that's when I thought, oh,
Speaker 2: he's not quite right. But I thought maybe he was
Speaker 2: like a bit of a like obviously creep, but I
Speaker 2: didn't think he was capable of murder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, does a really good job of blake
Speaker 1: like this seems like he seems like a friendly guy.
Speaker 4: He seems like a friendly guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like a little bit isolated.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and then they have we won't even play
Speaker 1: the conversation they have where we first maybe start seeing
Speaker 1: the turning of Norman bas this is he's brought down supper,
Speaker 1: like you said, some sandwiches and some milk. He's gone
Speaker 1: all out, And yeah, I think generally here, I mean
Speaker 1: suggests by putting his mother into a harm.
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, I didn't mean it to sound uncaring.
Speaker 7: What do you know about caring? Have you ever seen
Speaker 7: the inside of one of those places? Laughing in the
Speaker 7: tears and the cruel eyes studying you. My mother there,
Speaker 7: But she's harmless, She's as harmless as one of those
Speaker 7: stuffed birds.
Speaker 9: I am sorry. I only felt it seems she's hurting you.
Speaker 7: I meant well. People always mean well. They cluck their
Speaker 7: thick tongues and shake their heads and suggest, oh so
Speaker 7: very delicately. Of course I've suggested it myself, but I
Speaker 7: hate to even think about it. She needs me. It's
Speaker 7: not as if she were a maniac, a raving thing.
Speaker 7: She just goes a little mad. Sometimes we all go
Speaker 7: a little mad sometimes, haven't you.
Speaker 9: Yes, sometimes just one time can be enough.
Speaker 7: Thank you, Thank you, Norman.
Speaker 4: The red flag would have been up.
Speaker 2: That's what I knew she was in trouble. To be fair, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you overstep that, Marion.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so there is this bird kind of motif going
Speaker 1: through in the conversation they're having there. They're surrounded by birds.
Speaker 1: They've been taxidermied, stuffed, and I'll just walk through some
Speaker 1: of the you know, the bird that's all through the movie.
Speaker 1: And there's little subtle ones. And you would have taken
Speaker 1: these on frooms, no doubt, either knowingly or subconsciously. And
Speaker 1: I've some of these I've stumbled upon, not stumbled upon,
Speaker 1: I've deep dived, and you know, got some you know
Speaker 1: that it didn't occur to me either. But so we start.
Speaker 1: The movie starts with the birds I view. It's set
Speaker 1: in the in Phoenix. Her name is Marion Crane, which
Speaker 1: is a bird. There's Norman Bates and which refers to
Speaker 1: the debating of a trap when they do talk about traps.
Speaker 1: Of course, there's there's stuffed birds around. There's there's references
Speaker 1: to birds. You eat like a bird. My mum's as
Speaker 1: harmless as one of these stuffed birds, and one of
Speaker 1: the really and there's pictures on the wall of Marion's
Speaker 1: room and they're birds that get preyed upon in her.
Speaker 2: Room and one falls when he like.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I think, I think, yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, that bird has been you know, taken
Speaker 1: down if you like. And there's a really that that
Speaker 1: scene you speak of through the peep hole, which I
Speaker 1: think by the time he's doing that, we think, Marian, it's.
Speaker 2: Not looking good.
Speaker 1: There's a really beautiful, beautiful thing which I didn't notice
Speaker 1: is only like doing some deep diving that that I
Speaker 1: kind of this this point of that.
Speaker 4: So Norman's weighing on what to do. He looks and
Speaker 4: he and.
Speaker 1: He he seems standing up in the background, there's now
Speaker 1: which has got its wings out, and it's looking quite
Speaker 1: you know, you know, like it's about the swoop almost.
Speaker 1: And now, of course it is a bird of prey.
Speaker 1: In the foreground there's a turkey, which is not necessarily
Speaker 1: a bird of prey. It's more likely to be prayed upon.
Speaker 1: So you have no one between these two stuffed birds,
Speaker 1: a bird of prey and a bird that gets preyed upon.
Speaker 1: And then he looks into the heap hole and when
Speaker 1: he comes out, the shot is no longer. The turkey
Speaker 1: is no longer in that shot. It is Norman with
Speaker 1: the owl in the background. And what Hitchcock's saying to
Speaker 1: us is that Norman has made his choice. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a bird of prey and he has his prey
Speaker 1: in his sights.
Speaker 4: Norman, Yeah, Norman, Norman. By now we.
Speaker 1: We we should know now that he is. Like you said,
Speaker 1: when when she gets taken in the shower, you still
Speaker 1: thought it was the mother, and you know, like and
Speaker 1: absolutely you are supposed to.
Speaker 4: You're supposed to kind of for quite still quite a.
Speaker 1: While, like he comes in and cleans up and you think, well,
Speaker 1: you know, he's devoted to his mother. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: there's some weird things he does say about you know,
Speaker 1: a man's best friend is always his mother, and you
Speaker 1: know this, Yeah, here's some isssues obviously, you know, and
Speaker 1: he's cleaning up, and then, like you said, it's so
Speaker 1: interesting that this has happened so early, Like this is,
Speaker 1: you know, a third of the way through the movie.
Speaker 1: And then the kind of the shifts, which there's very
Speaker 1: few movies like this where either shifts to basically a
Speaker 1: character who was in the opening scene and that's it,
Speaker 1: and a brand new character, which is a sister Lila
Speaker 1: who's now demanding answers, and you know, the p I
Speaker 1: comes in, he goes, Yeah, he gets murder.
Speaker 2: He was very kind of nineteen sixties actor vibes to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: He's almost had like the touch of the film noir
Speaker 1: kind of which, you know, a detective in the ninety
Speaker 1: sixties movie. Yeah, there's probably one way to play that role,
Speaker 1: I feel. And he gets he gets taken. And then
Speaker 1: finally Lyla and sand decide okay, well, you know we're
Speaker 1: going to let's suss this out. So they go to
Speaker 1: the Baits Hotel and it ends up obviously with Lila
Speaker 1: entering the house. How are you feeling at this point
Speaker 1: about how are your nerves?
Speaker 4: Did you feel tenseled?
Speaker 1: Did we was start watching a movie that you were
Speaker 1: you invested?
Speaker 2: I was invested for sure. I totally thought she would
Speaker 2: be slain, to be honest, did the classic like whenever
Speaker 2: people go up or downstairs in like a psychological movie.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you've just named the worst Choiceeller, Like, why so?
Speaker 2: Why did I just like split up? But I was so.
Speaker 2: I found actually the loud noise and music when she
Speaker 2: made a discovery and that kind of visual that was
Speaker 2: scary to me. That was probably the scariest, a bit
Speaker 2: more scary than the shower scene. You're right, yeah, something
Speaker 2: about the really really loud music and kind of like
Speaker 2: suspense movies. I find this is the most terrifying part
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: There was one jump scare that I noticed where she
Speaker 1: kind of turned around like it but it didn't have
Speaker 1: any music on it. And it's like, it was actually
Speaker 1: quite weird for me to see like a jump scare
Speaker 1: with that that kind of like dramatic music thrown in,
Speaker 1: because as you say, there's music all the way through
Speaker 1: it and it is building this tension. So when we
Speaker 1: saw Norman carry his mother down the stairs. Were you
Speaker 1: thinking because even when I was thinking, like you I
Speaker 1: already seen. I was like okay, and I did remember
Speaker 1: reasoning quickly of course the ending.
Speaker 4: But what were you thinking? Like, like, were you thinking this?
Speaker 2: I'm like, sure she can fight back a little bit.
Speaker 2: She didn't want to go down there. It's like you're old,
Speaker 2: but like you can do something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've heard missus Bates argue and she seems like
Speaker 1: a feisty a feisty fire.
Speaker 4: Where's that fight now, missus Bates when you need it
Speaker 4: the most?
Speaker 1: It takes her down to the basement, goes out and
Speaker 1: he's dealing with Sam in a bit of a clumsy
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit of a clumsy wrestle, and
Speaker 1: Lylah goes down into the basement. She heads in, and
Speaker 1: what what did you make of it? So you see
Speaker 1: missus Bates sitting there? What were you expecting to happen?
Speaker 2: I at that point had to put my sinking cap on,
Speaker 2: and I had an idea what would happen after spending
Speaker 2: the movie being my most native self? Always can I say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 2: Like any kind of skull situation, I'll always find really
Speaker 2: scary at it, so it kind of gave me reminded
Speaker 2: me of Michael Jackson's Thriller where it kind of looks
Speaker 2: so fake but it's so just like bad and gross.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's so funny because I'm not sure
Speaker 1: when the swivel chair was invented. I'm not sure when
Speaker 1: they came in, but I didn't find I actually laughed
Speaker 1: like the swivel because she just touches the shoulder and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden and then the chair does a
Speaker 1: complete turnaround, like it does a complete like one to eighty,
Speaker 1: and it's like, how how did that happen? I'd love
Speaker 1: to know what chair they had? And almost not only
Speaker 1: there's like a lady, but it almost seems to do
Speaker 1: like a bit of a toda.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: It's totally there. It's it's it's it's it's the mother.
Speaker 4: She screams.
Speaker 1: And then, of course, not only that, we have Norman
Speaker 1: barging in in his mother's clothes and wig.
Speaker 2: That was quite that took me aback, I guess because
Speaker 2: he looks quite happy with himself as well. He's kind
Speaker 2: of like again a today moment seemed quite like enjoyed
Speaker 2: being in the clothes.
Speaker 4: Yeah. It was almost his happy place, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I thought it was interesting when they
Speaker 2: like got to his bedroom when he's in a child's bedroom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where he was sleepy, So the peak, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's right.
Speaker 2: I think that's right in a single bed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we have like it's interesting some people
Speaker 1: think when we had the psychiatrist who comes in and
Speaker 1: explains what was going on, there were some people would argue,
Speaker 1: you don't need that. I would argue, in nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: that scenes reasonably important.
Speaker 4: I think you probably. I think we're maybe.
Speaker 1: More across mental health issues, you know, these days, than
Speaker 1: they were back in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 4: Not that I could.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't Sssari watch this film in two down twenty
Speaker 1: three and be able to give a diagnosis of Norman's condition,
Speaker 1: But I would probably guess there was some schizophrenias and
Speaker 1: by Paul were going on. But that just gives us
Speaker 1: his I guess diagnosis on Norman basis ever listened.
Speaker 5: She was there, but she was a corpse. So he
Speaker 5: began to think and speak for her, give her half
Speaker 5: his life, so to speak.
Speaker 8: At times he could be both personalities carry on conversations.
Speaker 8: At other times, the mother half took over completely. He
Speaker 8: was never all Norman, but he was often only mother,
Speaker 8: And because he was so pathologically jealous of her, he
Speaker 8: assumed that he was as jealous of him. Therefore, if
Speaker 8: he felt a strong attraction to any other woman, the
Speaker 8: mother's side of him.
Speaker 4: Would go wild. When he met.
Speaker 8: Your sister, he was touched by her, aroused by her,
Speaker 8: he wanted her. That set off the jealous mother, and
Speaker 8: mother killed the girl.
Speaker 4: So after the.
Speaker 8: Murder, Norman returned, as if from a deep sleep, and
Speaker 8: like a dutiful son, covered up all traces of the crime.
Speaker 8: He was convinced his mother had committed.
Speaker 1: Did you kind of buy that? Did you feel that
Speaker 1: that was a that was reasonable?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I guess it did seel kind of like the
Speaker 2: movie had ended and that was like the credits moment.
Speaker 2: It did feel a little bit disjointed to me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but as you said, obviously it's like maybe it needed explanation,
Speaker 2: But yeah, it sells a little bit too over explaining
Speaker 2: as much as you know, we didn't talk about mental
Speaker 2: health back then. I'm pretty sure you can tell like
Speaker 2: something isn't quite right.
Speaker 1: But also back back in those days, often they would
Speaker 1: be happy enough to kind of go, well, he was,
Speaker 1: he was, he was, he was psycho that he is
Speaker 1: a crazy guy. And and and I do find it
Speaker 1: interesting that they did, you know, try to explain what
Speaker 1: it was. I think you could the film works with
Speaker 1: or without this scene. It's interesting that the reference to
Speaker 1: the transvestite and then kind of and that was again
Speaker 1: that was kind of controversial. I think one of the executives,
Speaker 1: you know, kicked up a storm about it and maybe
Speaker 1: got the idea of transvestites and transsexuals confused, which he
Speaker 1: kind of explains when he when you know, when he
Speaker 1: kind of explains what the transvestite is in that moment.
Speaker 1: So we have that scene, and then finally we find
Speaker 1: Nolan Bates in his cell and would just have a
Speaker 1: little listen to this.
Speaker 6: She was always and in the end he intended to
Speaker 6: tell them I kill those girls and that man as
Speaker 6: if I could do anything except just sit and stare
Speaker 6: like one of his stuffed birds. They know I can't
Speaker 6: even move a finger, and I won't. I'll just sit
Speaker 6: here and be quiet, just in case they do suspect me.
Speaker 6: They're probably watching me I'll let them, let them see
Speaker 6: what kind of a person I am. I'm not even
Speaker 6: gonna swat that fly. I hope they are watching. They'll see,
Speaker 6: they'll see, and they'll know, and they'll say, why she
Speaker 6: wouldn't even have a fly?
Speaker 2: Was that that's the way the expression came up? Was?
Speaker 4: I don't think so, because I good question.
Speaker 1: I imagine I took that as like, not like him using
Speaker 1: a well known expression.
Speaker 4: I think I'm going to research.
Speaker 2: That, please, little sub note.
Speaker 1: It's amazing sometimes when you watch these older films and
Speaker 1: you kind of go Often what happens in this podcast
Speaker 1: is people go, oh, now, I understand you know five
Speaker 1: Simpsons episodes that I didn't kind of there's all these
Speaker 1: references that you have the Shining or Citizen Kane or
Speaker 1: It's a Wonderful Life where there's whole episodes based, you know,
Speaker 1: around those things. And I'm sure there's some Psycho references
Speaker 1: in there as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think there is with Krusty the Clown, No,
Speaker 2: not Krusty Sidcho Bob he tries to yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, he's always nice.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, that's a famous, famous episode. You mean,
Speaker 1: like you're happy you've seen psycho now is it? Is
Speaker 1: it as something you can tick off.
Speaker 2: It's something I can tick off. For sure. I'd watch
Speaker 2: it again, like I'd love someone to show someone who
Speaker 2: hasn't seen it before, because I I think often, yeah,
Speaker 2: with older films, I feel like they go really slowly.
Speaker 2: I liked how it wasn't I feel like nowadays films
Speaker 2: go for a long time. So I thought it was good.
Speaker 2: It's like one hour, one and a half hours.
Speaker 4: Maybe orty or something. Yeah, funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely watch it again. I enjoyed it, you know,
Speaker 2: because I would never have seen it. I think I'm
Speaker 2: still not inspired to go and watch Star Wars. That
Speaker 2: would probably be the next one. That would be more of.
Speaker 1: Like, well, while he took the bullet for you know,
Speaker 1: for those who haven't seen Star Wars for this and
Speaker 1: this's what's the whole trilogy.
Speaker 4: And I got to say he enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. Yeah, okay, Dan.
Speaker 1: So I feel like Stars a pretty big Like it's
Speaker 1: funny when I talk about this podcasts of people, I say, oh,
Speaker 1: Judith Lucy hasn't seen the Sound of Music, And they're
Speaker 1: like what, And I'll say, Todd Samson hasn't seen the
Speaker 1: Shawshank Redemption what and so everyone's always surprised if somebody
Speaker 1: hasn't seen the movie that they've obviously seen quite a lot.
Speaker 1: But I feel like Star Wars still is one where
Speaker 1: you're going to go, really, how could you not? My
Speaker 1: wife doesn't understand that that I'm surprised at people. There
Speaker 1: are some people who haven't seen Star Wars. She's never
Speaker 1: seen Star Wars.
Speaker 2: She's never seen it either.
Speaker 4: She's never seen it.
Speaker 1: With somebody who loves Star Wars. And I've even said,
Speaker 1: let's watch it with me. That's for fun on my birthday.
Speaker 1: Maybe killed her in watching up, but she don't know interest,
Speaker 1: so be.
Speaker 2: Know, Oh that's okay, live and let.
Speaker 1: Live, live and let live Hey this is this movie
Speaker 1: also featured the very first little fact on the way out.
Speaker 4: The very first toilet was in the American cinema.
Speaker 2: Really, Oh my god, that's like a perfect little bar
Speaker 2: on top.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's you know.
Speaker 1: Not only was it about the blood and the sex,
Speaker 1: he also the very first told when she flushes her son,
Speaker 1: which I really don't think she needed to do. Staying
Speaker 1: school kids. Yeah, that's the first tool that was shown
Speaker 1: in American movies.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's that's important. That's a good tip that I'll.
Speaker 1: Keep it is it is for this podcast comes with homework.
Speaker 1: I am so glad you have done it. Thank you
Speaker 1: for watching it. Thank you also this for the positivity
Speaker 1: you put out into the world, you know, through your
Speaker 1: radio Shump podcast and this content you we delight to follow.
Speaker 1: And it gave me great joy that you you revealed
Speaker 1: once that you drove you and your dad I think drove.
Speaker 4: Drove. I was doing a cross for Rogue live in
Speaker 4: where was his? Mark?
Speaker 2: Berwood came out in Melbourne.
Speaker 4: Berl came out in Melbourne and what did you do?
Speaker 2: Me and my dad drove one hundred kilometers an hour down, yeah,
Speaker 2: down towards Camart twenty four to seven, came out and
Speaker 2: tried to moon you with both of our bare asses
Speaker 2: out of the window. However, by the time we got there,
Speaker 2: it was just the team packing on. So I actually
Speaker 2: I cried. I cried. I was the biggest road lisan.
Speaker 2: So it's like a very you know, when you just
Speaker 2: want something so badly and you don't get it. That
Speaker 2: was that moment for me. So it's honestly crazy to
Speaker 2: be here. Thank you for having me Pete.
Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you, And like I said, I really
Speaker 1: really enjoy the stuff that you do, whether it's celebrating
Speaker 1: music or movies or serena tins of tuna, keep it up,
Speaker 1: keep the positivity going coming up, and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and yeah, yeah, hopefully we'll see you again
Speaker 1: meeting person one day.
Speaker 2: Hopefully I won't mean you. I'll be tempted, but I won't.
Speaker 4: If your dad moves me. That is that normal baits
Speaker 4: be moved by normal baits.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Re laughing that saggy, but.
Speaker 4: There we go. That was Rooms with Psycho.
Speaker 1: I am glad we ticked off finally a Hitchcock movie.
Speaker 1: Taken way too long for us to get to that,
Speaker 1: but I'm glad that was the first one. And like
Speaker 1: I said in the intro, really glad and thankful and
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Speaker 4: Fun.
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Speaker 4: More of it, I say, for those who are enjoyed
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Speaker 4: He's one of my army celebrity camp mates. Will be
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Speaker 1: You may know her also from below Deck a massive,
Speaker 1: massive global show, massive hit for Bravo. It is, of
Speaker 1: course Asia Scott, my Flaming Ducks bandmate, will be joining me.
Speaker 1: That's right next week. And you wanted nothing yet, Asia Scott,
Speaker 1: I cannot wait. I'm sure it's going to be amazing.
Speaker 1: Until then, take care and so we leave all Pete
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Speaker 4: We've been a pleasant two