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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was and I'm

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Speaker 1: pleased to say joining me in the studio this morning

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Speaker 1: from the COLP the Member four.

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Speaker 2: For Brakling Central Australia. Very well, thank you, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Good to be good to have you in the studio.

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Speaker 1: We've also got the Member for good Kezy Eppuric.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 4: Good morning Katy, and good morning to all those rural

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Speaker 4: Gord Bikes.

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Speaker 1: The Member for want Guri, but also the Minister for

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Speaker 1: good morning to you.

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Speaker 5: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Now I tell you what, it's a busy day, there

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Speaker 1: is no doubt about that. And we know that the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territories teachers they are on strike as we speak.

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Speaker 1: It kicked off about five minutes ago. Teachers going on

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Speaker 1: strike this morning. The strike is set to impact schools

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Speaker 1: from the Darwin and Palmerston region, including Humpty Doo and

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Speaker 1: to Mian min Now. Teachers are striking in protests to

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory governments for you year wage freeze. The

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister questioned the timing of the action and if

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Speaker 1: it was politically motivated earlier in the week, Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the union said on the show though throughout the week

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Speaker 1: that the system is at crisis point.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 1: I want to make it really clear because some listeners

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Speaker 1: throughout the week thought that our teachers got the bonus,

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Speaker 1: the public service bonus. They didn't get that as some

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Speaker 1: other government workers did, and they want the government to

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Speaker 1: get back to the table and negotiate with them for

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Speaker 1: a fairer deal or I think the problem is here

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Speaker 1: that we're going to potentially use lose our wonderful teachers

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Speaker 7: We'll lose you go first, Well, firstly, i'd say we

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Speaker 7: thank our teachers. They do an amazing job out there

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Speaker 7: sure that we've got continuity of schools. Today, schools remain open.

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Speaker 7: But without a doubt, we are at the table with

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Speaker 7: the teachers at the moment we are negotiating an EBA.

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Speaker 7: The action today that the the Teachers' Union has taken

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Speaker 7: they have said that it is politically timed. So I

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Speaker 7: But we value our teachers and that's why we're going

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Speaker 1: Lampey did say to me on the show earlier in

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Speaker 1: the week that if there had have been an offer

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, you guys have had an awful

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Speaker 3: Why haven't we come to some kind of agreement already.

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Speaker 7: There has been a lot of hard work with the

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Speaker 7: see any eba process, Katie.

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Speaker 5: That is straightforward.

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Speaker 7: We have continued to negotiate in good faith and we

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Speaker 6: But this is a thing like the teachers have the

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Speaker 2: They've chosen to strike when they believe they can get

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Speaker 2: We need to value those teachers. The Langolant reports said

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Speaker 2: And whenever people say, oh, but how are you going

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Speaker 7: I'll say this Katie, it's pretty hard to believe much

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Speaker 2: Right now, you're the ones that are in this position,

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Speaker 7: That's the reason I'd say, look at your form and

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Speaker 7: we're going to stay at the table and keep negotiating.

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Speaker 3: You got your hand up, Katie.

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Speaker 4: People only go to well, generally speaking, people go to

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Speaker 4: a strike action when they're pushed to the eperate. Okay.

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Speaker 4: In the past years, yes, there's been lots of mucking

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Speaker 4: But I know in my electorate there are teachers going

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Speaker 4: So they're there because they've been pushed through years and people.

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Speaker 4: You know, Like the other thing that people have to

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Speaker 4: But I can tell you the bonus has not flowed

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Speaker 4: has been promised, but it has not been delivered. Now,

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Speaker 7: If you're in the Northern Territory general public sector, then

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Speaker 4: What happened to my schools.

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Speaker 1: There's a problem that definitely needs to be made here

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Speaker 1: is that you know, teachers have been raising these concerns

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Speaker 3: Their schooling years. The jobs that they do cannot be undervated.

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Speaker 4: That's the job in the classroom and at the school.

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Speaker 4: You know, they work over weekends, they shap our own kids.

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Speaker 1: They want Also they actually really care about the kids.

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Speaker 4: And look what happened during COVID and all the kids

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Speaker 3: Realize the value of teachers absolutely.

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Speaker 7: I'd say that was one thing I always said through

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Speaker 5: Their backsides off every day and it's not a job

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Speaker 1: I mean taking that into account, and I think that

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Speaker 3: You know, why are we at the point where they're

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Speaker 7: Because we're still at the table there. We're still having

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Speaker 3: And the point that you can't reach with them.

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Speaker 7: And again I think they've been very clear they don't

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Speaker 7: But we're continuing to talk to them. We're looking at

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Speaker 7: ways in which we can help teachers recognize their good

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Speaker 2: This Saturday, teachers can send the labor government a very

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Speaker 1: But look, one thing that you know, another thing that

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Speaker 1: You know, for our teachers to remain in that same

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Speaker 7: Going to make it really hard to keep We want

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Speaker 5: That's why we're staying at the table.

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Speaker 7: We recognize that cost of living pressures are on an

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Speaker 1: When do you recommend know that there is going to

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Speaker 7: We're looking at these these matters really closely. We've got

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Speaker 7: multiple EBAs, as you know, the teachers are just one

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Speaker 1: Now, look, I know that you're not the education minister,

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Speaker 1: but you know the government must be thinking to themselves

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Speaker 1: at this point as well.

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Speaker 3: We've got to try and work through this pretty.

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Speaker 1: Quick quickly, because we don't want to end up in

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Speaker 1: a situation where the teachers are sort of having rolling

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Speaker 1: industrial action because while it's not disruptive too much for

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Speaker 7: We want kids to have the most normal life possible,

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Speaker 7: and one of the key fundamental elements that that is

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Speaker 7: going to school every day. So we'll continue to negotiating

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Speaker 7: with them in good faith. But unfortunately today in the case,

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Speaker 4: If it's come on very fast, what that shows me

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Speaker 4: is they're very organized. Absolutely should take it out of

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Speaker 5: We take all our unions very seriously.

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Speaker 4: No, but they've managed to rally their troops, They've obviously

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Speaker 7: You just remember the Education Department is our second largest

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Speaker 7: We've got some well paid, hard working union officials.

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Speaker 5: There, and they are very organized.

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Speaker 1: The age my understanding is as well, and we are

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Speaker 4: Well, as I said to you, there's I know one

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Speaker 7: And again, you know, we support the right of workers

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that the majority at my kids' school are,

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Speaker 3: You know that we need to value the work that they're.

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Speaker 5: Doing absolutely, some other works, absolutely.

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Speaker 7: And the commitment gives We're continuing to work through that

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Speaker 5: We want to get to a good EBA resolution, Katie.

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Speaker 7: Our teachers are just so important to everything we do

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Speaker 2: Terrace, and this strike action is just the beginning from

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Speaker 1: All right, We're going to take a very short break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was if you've just joined

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Speaker 1: us in the studio this morning. Is Nicole Madison, Kezi

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Speaker 1: Epiric and Josh Burgoyne. And we know that well as

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Speaker 1: Police Association, they have released the interim results from their

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Speaker 1: within the force. The results do confirm a force which

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 1: The Northern Territory Police Association President Paul McHugh is this

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Speaker 1: slamming the Police Commissioner's tenure, remote policing resources, pay freeze

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Speaker 1: they do not have faith in the Police Commissioner Jamie Chalker.

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Speaker 1: I know that throughout the week the Chief Minister confirmed

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Speaker 1: that she still has confidence in the Commissioner. Despite those results,

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Speaker 6: And this is the big thing Katie.

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Speaker 2: We need to look at this any other CEO of

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Speaker 2: the members of that business, in this case the police

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Speaker 2: upper management. My father was a police officer for thirty

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Speaker 2: five years. It's so important that when police are out

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Speaker 2: so frustrating. And this is where I'm really confused about

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Speaker 2: CLP have been very clear there should be an inquiry.

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Speaker 2: It's been ten years since a real review of the

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Speaker 7: So one thing Josh and I do have in common

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Speaker 7: And it has been a real challenge going through that

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Speaker 7: what I will say is that there is little wonder

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Speaker 5: Had to deal with over those years.

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Speaker 7: But I will say this about the commissioner is that

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Speaker 7: He makes hard decisions. They are not always popular decisions.

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Speaker 7: But you would be a fool not to think that

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Speaker 1: And look, I don't think anybody would dispute that. I

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Speaker 3: You know, if you look at those stats.

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Speaker 1: That have come out so far, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: I don't know how we can actually do it, Katie.

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Speaker 4: There's a couple of things I've spoken about this previously.

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Speaker 4: There's a couple of things I want to point out. Yes,

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Speaker 4: Every police commissioner in this country, if not the world,

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Speaker 4: not an excuse, or it shouldn't be a justification. It's

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Speaker 4: a statement. It's a complex organization. Well so as Australia

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Speaker 4: Post a complex organization, and so is the bloody multinational

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Speaker 4: a bit tired of what I keep hearing about. Oh,

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Speaker 1: But the problem here is is actually the zach Rolf case.

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Speaker 4: That's the wild comment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this isn't a green skin who came into the

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Speaker 1: That police have been trying to raise for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've reached the point where this survey has

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Speaker 4: The previous survey.

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Speaker 3: So this has been a long while coming.

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Speaker 8: If he's so.

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Speaker 4: Busy, let's just split the forces. Then let's have police standalone,

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Speaker 3: And smooth reding to it.

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Speaker 1: There was also criticism right in the middle of COVID

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Speaker 7: I think I think he's got some pretty big shoulders

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Speaker 5: Through it, like look at how we got through that pandemic.

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Speaker 6: But I think that.

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Speaker 3: I think that this is the thing.

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Speaker 1: We're in a situation now where we've got the police

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Speaker 1: I mean, are we saying here that this is all

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Speaker 4: Don't think it's I don't think COVID's. COVID is a

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Speaker 4: I've always said, incentives be there. It's different when your

445
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Speaker 4: kids are in primary school. You can move them around

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Speaker 4: quite easily.

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Speaker 3: But you know, that's just a that's an example, Madam.

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Speaker 1: I'm keen to find out though, obviously you are the

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Speaker 1: four police minister when it comes to that situation that

450
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Speaker 1: did unfold in you and the Moon, what kind of

451
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Speaker 1: impact do you think that that has had on the

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Speaker 1: force in terms of them feeling as though they can

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Speaker 1: do their job and feeling as though they're supported by

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Speaker 1: their leadership.

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Speaker 5: I think it shook people to their very core.

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Speaker 7: You know, I've had many conversations going through police stations

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Speaker 7: with officers to understand how it made them feel about

458
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Speaker 7: going to work, and it was a really difficult issue

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Speaker 7: for people to grapple with, with some people in particular.

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Speaker 7: And I'll never forget going through the other Springs police

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Speaker 7: station and talking to the officers a few days after

462
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Speaker 7: that event, and you want to feel raw emotion and

463
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Speaker 7: how it made people feel. That was certainly the event.

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Speaker 7: You cannot underestimate the impact that that has had. But

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Speaker 7: what I'll say is that I know we've got deeply

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Speaker 7: committed leaders within that police force who care very much

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Speaker 7: so about the troops every day and the job that

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Speaker 7: they do. And I know that they're working very hard

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Speaker 7: to work with those troops to listen to their concerns

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Speaker 7: and to understand where they need to go forward.

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Speaker 5: And I know that the Police Minister's very dedicated to it.

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Speaker 3: And you think that the Police Commissioner can stay on

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Speaker 3: in that role.

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Speaker 5: I believe he can absolutely, And.

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Speaker 1: You think that he's going to be able to turn

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Speaker 1: that force around to have confidence in him.

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Speaker 7: I believe he can because I know how dedicated he

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Speaker 7: is and how much he believes in that police force

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Speaker 7: and believes in wanting to help the officers, to care

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Speaker 7: for the officers, but also to serve the territory.

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Speaker 3: Is that going to be enough?

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Speaker 1: Having that care and having your heart in the right place,

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Speaker 1: Is that going to be enough?

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Speaker 7: I have got faith in the commissioner and the senior

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Speaker 7: officers within that police force because I know that they

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Speaker 7: are up to the job, and like I said, it's

487
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Speaker 7: been a very rough couple of years, but I believe

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Speaker 7: that they can do it.

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Speaker 2: But this is what's frustrating. We're hearing we need consistency

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Speaker 2: at the top level, but we've just seen that. When

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Speaker 2: Natasha Files came in as Chief Minister, one of the

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Speaker 2: first things she did was Minister Nicole Madison removed you

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Speaker 2: from the police ministry. So why if we need consistency,

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Speaker 2: and you've spoken about everything that they went through, all

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Speaker 2: the police you were there through that time, why was

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Speaker 2: it that then change and all of a sudden you've

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Speaker 2: just thrust Kate Warden into this role at a time

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Speaker 2: when absolutely there's more upheople in the Northern Churchary Police

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Speaker 2: Force than we've ever seen before.

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Speaker 6: Why was there that move?

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Speaker 7: I don't think it hurts to have change from time

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Speaker 7: to time, like it's totally normal to have reshuffles and

503
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Speaker 7: to do these things to set people new challenges. But

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Speaker 7: we also wanted to see that continuity in that stream

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Speaker 7: between territory families and police and we're doing great job.

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Speaker 1: The thing I'm grappling with at the moment, and I

507
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Speaker 1: reckon people listening are going to be wondering, you know,

508
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Speaker 1: how is this going to happen? Is if the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory government is not prepared to call for there to

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Speaker 1: be a review, If if you feel as though the

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Speaker 1: police Commissioner can stay in that role and have confidence

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Speaker 1: in him to stay in that role. You've got the

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Speaker 1: rank and files saying that they don't have confidence, that

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Speaker 1: they don't feel that they've got enough people enough in

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Speaker 1: the force to be able to do their job, and

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Speaker 1: their morale is at a record low. How are we

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Speaker 1: going to see changing here? Are we actually going to

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Speaker 1: see anything change?

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Speaker 2: Police are hurting there needs to be an inquiry to

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Speaker 2: find out exactly how we can move forward, because you've

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Speaker 2: hit the nail on the head there, Katie, how can

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Speaker 2: we move forward collectively when you have the written branch

523
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Speaker 2: of the police force saying that they don't have confidence

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Speaker 2: in the commissioner, yet everyone else say, oh no, it's fine,

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Speaker 2: let's just continue on.

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Speaker 5: I think we just need to let them get on

527
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Speaker 5: with their job.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think we can and I think that

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Speaker 1: the you know, the real issue we've got here is

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Speaker 1: that the community is actually reaching a point now as

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Speaker 1: well with they don't feel as though there's enough police

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Speaker 1: on the force and they don't feel as though there's.

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Speaker 3: Enough action when it comes to crime.

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Speaker 1: So it's not only the force that's feeling you know,

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Speaker 1: worried and concerned, but the community as well.

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Speaker 7: So, Katie, since we've come to government, we have put

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Speaker 7: on over one hundred million dollars increased the police budget.

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Speaker 7: We've put on extra troops, extra resources, more aboriginal liaison offices,

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Speaker 7: aberige and community police officers.

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Speaker 1: So we had the Productivity Commission throughout the week saying

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Speaker 1: that we've got you know, the community doesn't feel safe

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Speaker 1: and that yes, we do have more spending and more officers,

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Speaker 1: but that's still per capita. You know, we've got a

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Speaker 1: situation where the community doesn't feel.

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Speaker 5: The complexity of the Northern Territory. Katie, I think we

546
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Speaker 5: all know what we do with them.

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Speaker 1: We're sort of making excuses for everything none then looking

548
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Speaker 1: at the root cause and going, shit, we've got to

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Speaker 1: fix this exactly.

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Speaker 7: And that's what it's about, looking at the root cause.

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Speaker 7: Let's be really blunt here, Let's be really blunt. We

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Speaker 7: have an unacceptably high level of domestic violence and assaults,

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Speaker 7: and the most victims of those are Aboriginal people who

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Speaker 7: come from disadvantaged backgrounds. And that is why we have

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Speaker 7: to deal with housing, health, education, maternal care, child protection,

556
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Speaker 7: all of those things so we can stop people getting

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Speaker 7: into trouble in the first place. And that's what we've

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Speaker 7: been focused on the whole time we've been in government.

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Speaker 4: And yet you let the police commit to take away

560
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Speaker 4: the school based constables, which is where law some people

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Speaker 4: doing a great job.

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Speaker 5: There is great auxiliaries doing great.

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Speaker 4: Took away school based constables and said, you will not

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Speaker 4: tell me.

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Speaker 7: The CP scraped them when they were in government, and

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Speaker 7: we bought them back.

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Speaker 1: I think the real worry here is that there is

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Speaker 1: a sense from the community and I've said it before

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Speaker 1: but I'll say it again, where they feel like they're

570
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Speaker 1: being gas lit. And that's how the police are feeling

571
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Speaker 1: as well at the moment. From the messages that I've

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Speaker 1: received from current and former police officers right now, they've actually,

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Speaker 1: you know, they've gone out of their comfort zone to

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Speaker 1: have their say in this survey. They have you put

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Speaker 1: themselves out to make sure that their voices were heard.

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Speaker 1: And what we're getting back is that nothing's actually going

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Speaker 1: to change. There's nothing to see here. And I think that,

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Speaker 1: you know, if we feel as though morale is low

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Speaker 1: right now, how are we going to feel within a

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Speaker 1: couple of months if there isn't some kind of action.

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Speaker 7: Again, I think we need to have a look at

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Speaker 7: the last what we keep talking about. It has been

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Speaker 7: an extraordinary period of time we are coming through.

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Speaker 5: It has been turbulent.

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Speaker 2: But our police officers are always the first ones on

586
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Speaker 2: the scene when something goes wrong, and if they're not

587
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Speaker 2: feeling supported, something is seriously wrong.

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Speaker 1: Look, we're going to take a bit of a break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was lots to cover off

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Speaker 1: on this morning. But tomorrow morning of course the funny

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Speaker 1: Bay by election. Well, plenty of people hopefully gone out

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Speaker 1: to early vote, although on Wednesday it was very low.

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Speaker 5: That's good, about five hundred postals.

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Speaker 7: Actually postalsing on pre voting, because on Wednesday it was

596
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Speaker 7: only eight hundred.

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Speaker 4: But that's because they people have to go into the Electric.

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Speaker 5: Yes, terrible location for pre polling.

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Speaker 7: I have to say this election to come into town

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Speaker 7: and not to be able to find somewhere into the

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Speaker 7: Electric to do it, I don't get why that was.

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Speaker 1: So you only get fined if you don't vote, you

603
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Speaker 1: only get fined twenty five bucks.

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Speaker 4: Katie, I've tried this four.

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Speaker 2: If they actually give encourage people to get out there

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Speaker 2: and vote this Saturday, you know you can go down

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Speaker 2: there to perhaps school, you can go down there and

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Speaker 2: slood Miller mill moments.

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Speaker 4: Both LATER and CP have been reluctant to increase the

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Speaker 4: fines for people who don't vote. And I agree with

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Speaker 4: a certain step what you're saying.

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Speaker 6: Encouraging page people to get out there.

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Speaker 7: I love pre polling, but yeah, when you have to

614
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Speaker 7: sit there and go someone say, if you want to

615
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Speaker 7: go early vote. You've got to go to that place

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Speaker 7: across the road from Discovery in the city.

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Speaker 4: Like people go up to living people don't.

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Speaker 3: We've got to here. If you don't vote, you're not

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Speaker 3: allowed to call in a winge. You get out And

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Speaker 3: what we.

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Speaker 4: Say in the rule area is you get out there,

622
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Speaker 4: vote early, and you vote often.

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Speaker 5: I've told you my story about it.

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Speaker 3: I vote once. Three sisters.

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Speaker 4: One might not live here anymore.

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Speaker 1: Now listen, you know, on a serious note, we know

627
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Speaker 1: that this is going to be incredibly interesting to see

628
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Speaker 1: how everything unfolds. Now, I will say the opposition yesterday

629
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Speaker 1: I was singing a bit of mud about a conflict

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Speaker 1: of interest claim the COLP opposition Deputy Opposition leader Jered

631
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Speaker 1: Mayley joined me on the show. He's calling on the

632
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Speaker 1: labor candidate for Fanny Bay to immediately come clean on

633
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Speaker 1: as serious what they're calling a serious allegation of conflict

634
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Speaker 1: of interest regarding his work history and the securing of

635
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Speaker 1: a ten million dollar ten million dollars of taxpayer funds. Now, look,

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Speaker 1: I guess my question yesterday to Jered Maylee was doesn't

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Speaker 1: everybody have sort of work experience?

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Speaker 3: What is the real you know, what's the concern here,

639
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Speaker 3: what's the.

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Speaker 6: Conce the conflict is.

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Speaker 2: The conflict is is that this is someone who actually

642
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Speaker 2: said on radio it's not what you know, it's who

643
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Speaker 2: you know. But then the Chief Minister comes out and says,

644
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Speaker 2: I know, it's a process.

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Speaker 6: Now, it shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Matter who you know as to whether or not you

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Speaker 2: get government funding. It is the process that you go through.

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Speaker 2: So for that Labour candidate to come out and say

649
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Speaker 2: it's not what you know, it's who in the Northern territory,

650
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Speaker 2: clearly has there been any favoritism. This is These are

651
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Speaker 2: the allegations context.

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Speaker 7: This is CLB mud slinging. Is absolute mud slinging in

653
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Speaker 7: a by election. This is pure politics of mud slinging.

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Speaker 7: And what I'll say is that Brent Potter is an

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Speaker 7: outstanding candidate for Fanny Bay. He is a man all

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Speaker 7: about servers, who has served in the army, He's served

657
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Speaker 7: in Afghanistan, he has served in age care. Yes, he's

658
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Speaker 7: worked in the private sector and he has worked in government.

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Speaker 7: He's a hard worker, he is a great bloke. He

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Speaker 7: declared that conflict appropriately.

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Speaker 8: Now what I don't get is that here we have

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Speaker 8: the CLP bagging out an incredible project like AAI, something

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Speaker 8: that their former comrades in Federal Parliament in the Liberal Nationals.

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Speaker 5: We're back in.

665
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Speaker 6: Bagging out the project, just saying about process.

666
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Speaker 7: And we're going to be manufacturing aircraft here in Darwin,

667
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Speaker 7: which is phenomenal for this country and globally significant. And

668
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Speaker 7: we worked hard to secure this project. And Brent had

669
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Speaker 7: appropriately declared conflicts.

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Speaker 1: And so why did he take down his LinkedIn.

671
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Speaker 4: Confusing the day he was announced he's nomination.

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Speaker 7: I don't have an answer for you that, but what

673
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Speaker 7: I'll say is that he is an incredible candidate. He's

674
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Speaker 7: a hard worker and he will serve the community very well.

675
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Speaker 7: And we've just got the CLP just slinging mud here

676
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Speaker 7: absolute man this morning, Bacon and they are trying to

677
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Speaker 7: absolutely AAI project, which I think is disgraceful the process

678
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Speaker 7: doing that.

679
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Speaker 6: I think it's the process.

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Speaker 4: Like I get it. Everyone has a past, good bad

681
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Speaker 4: in between. But if you're going to run for public offers,

682
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Speaker 4: you try and be as open and transparent as you

683
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Speaker 4: possibly can be because you're putting yourself up there and

684
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Speaker 4: to be a member of parliament. And we are in

685
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Speaker 4: such a small town and the way communications telecommunication works

686
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Speaker 4: these days, social media, et cetera. People screenshot things, so

687
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 4: you know, they keep they keep records, they print them

688
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Speaker 4: off whatever. And you know, if there's nothing to say

689
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Speaker 4: or nothing to hide, why do that? Why was the

690
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Speaker 4: LinkedIn page? LinkedIn is a professional business kind of social

691
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 4: media exactly the kind of thing you want to go

692
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Speaker 4: to to find out the background of a person running

693
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Speaker 4: for parliament. So it's just it's suspicious.

694
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Speaker 7: And as we always say, well the colors all out there.

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Speaker 7: You know, we're really proud to secure the AI project

696
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Speaker 7: and to be manufacturing aircraft here. That's what Josh is

697
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 7: talking to, manufacturing aircraft. It went through a lot of

698
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Speaker 7: due diligence. His former employment was absolutely declared appropriately. And

699
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Speaker 7: what I'll say is that we're really proud to have

700
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Speaker 7: secured that project then to be building aeroplanes here in Darwin.

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Speaker 1: Stepping away from that for a moment, but still on

702
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Speaker 1: the by election, you know, obviously it's going to be

703
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Speaker 1: interesting to see how it all goes. If there is

704
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Speaker 1: a swing, a big swing away from labor. I think,

705
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Speaker 1: you know, many people in the community will be saying,

706
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Speaker 1: all right, well, time for labor to sort of stand

707
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: up and listen to the issues that that people are

708
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: talking about when it comes to crime and law and

709
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Speaker 1: order and that kind of thing. If there is a

710
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Speaker 1: you know, a swing towards Labor, I think there'll be

711
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Speaker 1: people sort of questioning why.

712
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Speaker 7: Are and Leah still the leader, especially after that unprecedented

713
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Speaker 7: result in Daily.

714
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Speaker 5: You don't you don't lose a seat like Daily.

715
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Speaker 6: We've been out on the seat, like.

716
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Speaker 2: On the doors in Fanny Bay, and I can tell

717
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Speaker 2: you that what what's going to be a disasters.

718
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Speaker 5: People are frustrated to Leah Josh.

719
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Speaker 6: People are frustrated.

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Speaker 2: People are frustrated with Labor because they're not listening and

721
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Speaker 2: this is what they're talking about. All they all they're

722
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Speaker 2: focusing on is what's happened in the past. We are

723
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Speaker 2: focused on the future, the future for Fanny Bay and

724
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Speaker 2: Ben Hosking has been out there chatting with people on

725
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Speaker 2: the doors. People have been saying they're frustrated, they haven't

726
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Speaker 2: felt like they've been listened to over the last twelve years.

727
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Speaker 2: And that's why I believe they're going to change their

728
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: vote and they're going to vote for the CLP. And

729
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Speaker 2: that's how you can send Labor a message, a very

730
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Speaker 2: clear message tomorrow at the polling.

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Speaker 5: Boots all seriousness.

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Speaker 7: I think Michael gonna have serve that community magnificently for

733
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Speaker 7: his tenure.

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Speaker 5: He's worked incredibly hard.

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Speaker 7: He's driven some fantastic changes there, like having the Warna

736
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Speaker 7: and the Karringle Flats changed. We've seen some great community

737
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Speaker 7: projects there that Mike's been involved in.

738
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Speaker 5: Darwin High School and Darwin Middle School.

739
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Speaker 3: No, he's driven the mental local under Claire Martin.

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Speaker 5: And there's been a huge That night was.

741
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Speaker 3: The housing minister. I worked for it.

742
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Speaker 7: Michael has done a huge amount of work there. Anything,

743
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Speaker 7: it's been an amazing amount of work there.

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Speaker 4: But they're just like left after the budget but never again.

745
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Speaker 5: Come on, come on guys, let me finish here.

746
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Speaker 6: Stop stop.

747
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Speaker 7: So what I'll say is that Brent has hit the ground.

748
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Speaker 7: He has been working really hard. But I didn't expect

749
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Speaker 7: anything less of him. He's that type of guy. He's

750
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Speaker 7: a listener, he is an absolute doer. He has doorkno

751
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Speaker 7: NonStop for the from the moment he was pre selected.

752
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Speaker 5: He is a great guy.

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Speaker 7: He's a hard worker. He'd make an incredible member for

754
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Speaker 7: Fanny Bay. So well, only people come out letting.

755
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Speaker 3: Me say the same, Josh. Now about your snaking, It's

756
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Speaker 3: not about that.

757
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Speaker 2: It's about letting people know that this is really important

758
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Speaker 2: by election it is. I'm up here from Alice Springs

759
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: for a range of reasons, but also to implore people

760
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Speaker 2: to please get out. We are hurting in the regions

761
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Speaker 2: in Alice Springs because the government simply aren't listening. And

762
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Speaker 2: I know from speaking with people in the Fanny Bay

763
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Speaker 2: they feel the same way. They feel like crime is

764
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Speaker 2: at levels they've never seen before. When they go down

765
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Speaker 2: on their shop, they're seeing smash windows. And that's where

766
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Speaker 2: Ben Hosking is the right choice for people of Fanny

767
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: Bay to send Labor a message, a clear message that

768
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Speaker 2: they're not happy and they want to see more done.

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Speaker 7: I've got to say I've done my fair share of

770
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Speaker 7: doors in Fanny Bay this biolection and listened to the

771
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Speaker 7: people on the doors and had those discussions about those topics.

772
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Speaker 7: And I think Brent brings some fantastic initiatives to the

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Speaker 7: table around activation around Bundilla Vesti's Beach and he will

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Speaker 7: be a strong voice in government look for tackling those issues.

775
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Speaker 3: Obviously we're talking about the Funny Bay by election, but Josh.

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Speaker 1: I am key to find out how things are going

777
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Speaker 1: in Alla Springs at the moment, because I know that

778
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Speaker 1: it has you know, the issue of crime has been

779
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Speaker 1: one that's been a big concern for a lot of

780
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: people there.

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Speaker 3: How are things going currently?

782
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Speaker 2: People in Ola Springs are hurting, Katie, and it's never

783
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Speaker 2: been more evident to me. I went to the Karama

784
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Speaker 2: Malat crime meeting last night and it was really interesting

785
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Speaker 2: to hear about some of the suggestions people in the

786
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Speaker 2: community had there for basically fixing the crime in their

787
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: issue their area, because there are things that have been

788
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Speaker 2: implemented in Ola Springs but simply aren't working. And this

789
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: is what we're talking about. There needs to be a

790
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Speaker 2: new approach this whole set and forget idea from labor

791
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Speaker 2: and I'll bury our heads in the sand. It simply

792
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: doesn't work. And this is where it's so frustrating, I

793
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 2: guess for people in Oura Springs, we feel like our

794
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 2: voices aren't being heard. We're coming on here and I

795
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: appreciate every chance you give me to come on here

796
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 2: to talk about this because people are hurting. Their businesses

797
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: are being broken into, their windows are being smashed, their

798
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: cars are being stolen and we seriously need a different approach.

799
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: When you go in and you see a young person

800
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: in the youth justice system, basically their choice is are

801
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: very limited, go to detention, get bail, support accommodation. That

802
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: the support isn't there, and we need more support for

803
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 2: our young people going forward. That's simply not the case,

804
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 2: and that's why we need to send Labor a strong

805
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: message up here. That's why people have been coming up.

806
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: I know you had Robin Lamley on us when she

807
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: was up here saying exact same thing. This isn't just

808
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: about Fanny Bay. This is about the whole Northern Territory

809
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: and about sending a strong message to Labor. And that's

810
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: why Ben Hoskins a man.

811
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Speaker 7: And again this is why Brent's going to be an

812
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 7: incredibly strong voice in government. He knows the issues there,

813
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 7: he's got a proven track record of absolute delivery. He's

814
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 7: got some great ideas and commitments around activation, tackling and

815
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 7: social behavior. But most importantly he will be in government

816
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 7: and he will be a very strong voice.

817
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Speaker 3: Kiz, what do you reckon's going to happen?

818
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 4: I lived in Fanny Bay when I was a kid.

819
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 3: To set you haven't you.

820
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: That my job.

821
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Speaker 9: I've heard it all this morning, but in the day

822
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Speaker 9: so long ago, because you two are too young and

823
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 9: too young, and that's when there's the men's hot, the

824
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Speaker 9: men's single facility on Hudson Fish Avenue.

825
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 4: The girls we were allowed to go there because that

826
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 4: was single scary men you draft. But yeah, Edward Street

827
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 4: is off Stretton Street, which is the first on the

828
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 4: ride on Lost Venue. And it wasn't towny then it

829
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 4: was bush. I'm telling you there half the roads to

830
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 4: Casuida would roads. But it's a it's a very old,

831
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 4: mature sub and so I think the lud Miller and

832
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 4: the other areas of that area. But I think what

833
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 4: I've heard from people who have interaction with people, and

834
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 4: I have some friends who live in Fanny Bay areas

835
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 4: is it's still crime. Crime is still the scariest thing

836
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 4: with be you, particularly youth crime and the damage to

837
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Speaker 4: property and the damage to people's confidence because they don't

838
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 4: feel safe in their own homes and properties. That's what

839
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 4: scares people the most and that's what they're worried about.

840
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 4: So if people are going out there and making their

841
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 4: casting their vote tomorrow, they really have to think of

842
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 4: who's going to deliver the best product to get on

843
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 4: top of our crime in our community because and it

844
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 4: is in the rule air not thankfully fingers crossed. We

845
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 4: have a different way of living out there. But that's

846
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 4: the one of the biggest problems in our community right

847
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,479
Speaker 4: now in the territory is crime.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to take a very short break. You are

849
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty. We

850
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: usually don't cover off on too much federal politics on

851
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: the week that was it, But this week it's a

852
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: story that we really can't ignore, and that is the

853
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: fact that federal will form a Home Affairs Minister Karen

854
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: Andrews confirmed that Scott Morrison has now contacted her to

855
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: apologize for appointing himself to jointly control her position in secret.

856
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: Now we know that well, the obviously the Prime Minister,

857
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 1: Scott Morrison had appointed himself to several different folios without

858
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: there the ones we know, yeah, without other ministers knowing.

859
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: I found it astonishing that the likes of Matias Gorman

860
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: and Josh Friedenberg didn't well, they didn't know as far

861
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: as I can gather, that it had happened. The thing

862
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: that really sort of stands out for me. And I

863
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: know some people are going, oh, there's nothing wrong with this.

864
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: It was COVID times, you know, extraordinary things were happening

865
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Speaker 1: in cod It's but it's also a situation where you go, well,

866
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: do you trust your colleagues He was.

867
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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister of Australia. Yeah, And under our Westminster system,

868
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 4: we have people get elected, you have the executive being

869
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 4: the ministers. You' vest power in them to undertake certain duties,

870
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 4: and you have the respect and the confidentiality and if

871
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 4: there's a problem when you don't think you can shoulder

872
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 4: the responsibility and then you say I can't do it

873
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 4: anymore and something else gets your job. But to take

874
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 4: over these shadow or take over these portfolios and tell

875
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 4: one of his colleagues, Greg Hunt, and not tell any

876
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 4: of the others is just unbelievable. It's like the man

877
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 4: does have multiple personalities. What was he thinking?

878
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: Multiple ministry ministries?

879
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 4: Now? And since since that's come out, I mean, yes,

880
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: we know Scott Morrison's got a problem with women. He

881
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 4: had to be told to bring up the Andrews lady

882
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 4: to apologize to it. He was quite happy to bring

883
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 4: up his bloke mates and say, look, I'm oh sorry, Bruss,

884
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Speaker 4: you know, sorry for button into your job, but you

885
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Speaker 4: know not was.

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Speaker 6: It, Karen?

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Speaker 4: Like, look, I find it quite astonishing. The thing too, Katie,

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Speaker 4: is he was he was the minister of a portfolio

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Speaker 4: or shared minister. So the departmental heads would have known

890
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Speaker 4: because they would have had ministry or briefings that had

891
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Speaker 4: to give him or set up appointments, get information all

892
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Speaker 4: of that stuff. So departmental people would have known about this,

893
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Speaker 4: and obviously they kept their mouth shut because they have to,

894
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 4: that's their job not to talk about stuff. But other

895
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Speaker 4: people would have known. And I forget the governor general.

896
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Speaker 4: I think that's a side issue, something else to be

897
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Speaker 4: debated at another time. But just looking at it from

898
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Speaker 4: a constitutional point of view, a legal point of view,

899
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Speaker 4: and also an image point of view for our country.

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Speaker 5: What was the dick doing?

901
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Speaker 3: It's not idea, you know.

902
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Speaker 4: And I'm a conservative person, you know, he's got I've

903
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 4: never had any great hope with him, never liked him

904
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Speaker 4: as Prime minister, and it just goes to show how

905
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Speaker 4: those who came before him, like the Malcolm Turnbles of

906
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 4: this world, really knew what he was like. And it's

907
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Speaker 4: come out. The others have said it as well previously.

908
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Speaker 4: I don't know which ones, but I know Turnbull's spoken out.

909
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 5: Well, he speaks out about him fair bit so the damage.

910
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Speaker 4: It's done to our country. Like let's say, I mean,

911
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 4: they might say about ALBERONIZI well, what's he done. I'm

912
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 4: not saying he has no, but it's really damaged our

913
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 4: reputation at that highest level of the land.

914
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Speaker 7: I will say for me, it is in a category

915
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Speaker 7: of bizarro Land I have not quite felt or experienced

916
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Speaker 7: since that CLP period between twenty twelve to sixteen. Wait, no, Honestly,

917
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Speaker 7: the feelings that I done, josh just brought me back

918
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Speaker 7: to that time where things were happening that were so

919
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Speaker 7: bizarre and so unfathomable.

920
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Speaker 6: As a chief to hand it over those documents, I'm.

921
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Speaker 5: Point again and just those feelings. I'm talking about my

922
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Speaker 5: feelings here.

923
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Speaker 3: Joshua, my feelings, and that that's that, That's what it felt.

924
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Speaker 5: Like to me, Katie bizarro Land.

925
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Speaker 3: Do you know what even like I know.

926
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Speaker 1: For the years, well yeah, I always I know that

927
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Speaker 1: you can't always liken things to sport, but I think

928
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Speaker 1: to myself, if you're playing in a football team or

929
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Speaker 1: a netball team or any kind of team, and you

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Speaker 1: didn't feel that you could trust the people that were

931
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Speaker 1: on your team. How do you think you're ever going

932
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Speaker 1: to go very well? How do you think that you're

933
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Speaker 1: going to be able to to you know, to do well?

934
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Speaker 1: And and that's the bizarre part for me, that you've

935
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Speaker 1: actually got to trust your colleagues.

936
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Speaker 7: Characterizes that like what we've seen there again, I think

937
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Speaker 7: it says a lot about some of the things that

938
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Speaker 7: we've seen. And what you said about Malcolm Turnbull before,

939
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Speaker 7: he just hasn't stopped. He he hasn't stopped the whole time.

940
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Speaker 7: Is that always tried to go to town on Scott

941
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Speaker 7: Morrison and you can probably see why he feels that way.

942
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Speaker 2: Well, Josh, anything you want to add to look, I

943
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Speaker 2: am genuinely as we spoke about when we're talking about

944
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Speaker 2: processes or anything like that, I'm really interested to see

945
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Speaker 2: what the Solicitor General comes back in relation to all this,

946
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Speaker 2: because we want to make sure that the proper prices

947
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Speaker 2: were following. This is one of those things where you

948
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Speaker 2: just look at it and go, Okay, what what has

949
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Speaker 2: happened here?

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Speaker 4: But the other thing, too, Josh, is while he was

951
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Speaker 4: while he was responsible for those portfolios. But I'm particularly

952
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 4: interested in home affairs because that covers off.

953
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Speaker 7: Because the security agency, what decisions will make Well, this

954
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Speaker 7: is the thing and we will hopefully we will find out.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in openness and transparency. We're going

956
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Speaker 1: to have to wrap up. That is it for us

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Speaker 1: this morning. We've run out of time. Josh Bergine, the

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Speaker 1: member for Breaklein, thanks so much for your.

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Speaker 6: Time always, thank you for having us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you the Member for Good Thank you so much

961
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Speaker 3: for your time.

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Speaker 4: I've got another one. Anyone interested in taking up a

963
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Speaker 4: shooting sport. Cree is a complex that can help you

964
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Speaker 4: with context. Any wonderful self and be safe on those

965
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Speaker 4: quad bikes out there in the road.

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Speaker 1: Try your best to be Nicole Madison, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, and I hope everyone has a fantastic weekend.

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Speaker 3: I hope you all have a lovely weekend.