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Speaker 1: Job mission with Jones and Amanda book.

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Speaker 2: We all know and love Claudia Carvin for her ability

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Speaker 2: to tell a story through her acting, her producing, the scriptwriting,

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Speaker 2: even her dancing. She was brilliant on Dancing with the Stars.

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Speaker 2: But now she's exploring the extraordinary characters of Australian novels

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Speaker 2: in a new ABC series, The Books That Made Us

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Speaker 2: Claudia Carvin Hello.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Amanda Hei Jonesie.

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Speaker 3: How areb Cloydia? Are you well? It's great to talk

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Speaker 3: to you again.

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Speaker 1: Yes, lovely to be here.

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Speaker 2: So the Books that made us? What is this? Is

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Speaker 2: this about talking to people about the books that change

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Speaker 2: their childhoods?

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Speaker 3: What is it?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Good question. No, it's actually talking to all of the authors,

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Speaker 1: like you know, Tim Winton, Craig Sylvie, Alexis Wright, tellan

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Speaker 1: Gana about specific books that they've written, like Frinston Tellangana

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Speaker 1: It's monkey Grip, and talking about their process and how

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Speaker 1: it's sort of shaped the Australian identity, I guess, And.

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Speaker 2: How did you come up with those particular authors and

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Speaker 2: those particular books.

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Speaker 1: Well, that would be the job of the producer, which

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Speaker 1: is not me.

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Speaker 3: You've done producing. You've done producing though before that you're

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Speaker 3: a young.

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Speaker 1: I have done. I've done a lot of producing. I'm continuing.

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Speaker 1: I produce him bump at the moment, but it's so

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Speaker 1: nice to not produce no. I was offered this job

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Speaker 1: through Blackvellow Films to the production company, and they did

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Speaker 1: the very hard work of compiling the list of very

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Speaker 1: significant novels. I did lobby for a couple to be included, though,

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Speaker 1: like Honeybee by Craig Say.

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Speaker 2: I loved that. I love that.

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Speaker 1: Please can we have that on the list? And I

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Speaker 1: want to meet him? And then also The Choke by

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Speaker 1: Sophie Laguna. I lobby to have her on the list.

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Speaker 1: But otherwise a lot of the books I hadn't read,

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Speaker 1: and it was great to have a curated list for

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Speaker 1: me to read over the summer holidays.

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Speaker 3: And do you read a lot? Are you a big reader?

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Speaker 1: I go in and out of phases, but yeah, I do.

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Speaker 1: I probably do. Yeah, It's a big part of my

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Speaker 1: work and it's something I probably a habit. I started

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Speaker 1: probably when I was at sixteen or seventeen, when I

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Speaker 1: started spending a lot of time on film sets, where

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Speaker 1: there is a hell of a lot of waiting around,

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Speaker 1: and so you attend to devour a book.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting, isn't it that my friends and I all

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Speaker 2: we're big readers, but we're all lamenting that we're losing

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Speaker 2: the art of reading. That Twitter and social media and

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Speaker 2: Facebook have kind of lured us away from getting stuck

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Speaker 2: into a great book.

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Speaker 1: It's true, there are those distractions. It's true. It was

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Speaker 1: quite wonderful to be given these books knowing I was

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Speaker 1: going to be meeting the authors and going to the

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Speaker 1: locations where the books were set. So that was a

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Speaker 1: really great motivator. And I wasn't distracted by social media

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Speaker 1: like I buried. I was buried in them and it

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Speaker 1: was Yeah, it was a lovely feeling.

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Speaker 2: Even the for this it looks very moving. What was

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Speaker 2: so emotional about it?

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Speaker 1: Well, a lot of the subject matter, I mean, they're

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Speaker 1: chosen for a reason. They're they're very powerful, you know,

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Speaker 1: the books about our penal history, or heartbreak or genocide

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Speaker 1: or a suicide like it's they're very a lot of

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Speaker 1: a lot of the themes are quite confronting. I actually

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Speaker 1: I don't think I cried once I was dancing with

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Speaker 1: the stuff.

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Speaker 2: I cried for you clad thanks, But on.

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Speaker 1: This, yeah, bloody loved quite a few times, which I

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Speaker 1: find quite embarrassing anyway.

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Speaker 3: And what about Puberty Blues? Does that get to get

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Speaker 3: a gunsy in there? Because that is a great bit

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Speaker 3: of Aussie literature right there?

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Speaker 1: It does it does? I mean spoiler alert. I think

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Speaker 1: it's in the third episode. I even get to go surfing,

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Speaker 1: was Pam Burrage. That was a highlight.

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Speaker 3: Girls Don't Serve Claudia.

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Speaker 1: Come on, you know that that's a great that's a

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Speaker 1: great documentary. Actually, yeah, well, you.

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Speaker 3: Know because Puberty Blues. When I was at school that

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Speaker 3: came out and I remember every parent just reading it

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Speaker 3: and then hiding it from their kids because it was

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Speaker 3: so It was like it was so right at the time,

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Speaker 3: it was so good, and I guess it still is controversial.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. And those girls are thirteen when they were,

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Speaker 1: you know, behaving like that in the back of panel varms. No,

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Speaker 1: that was a great book to discuss with with Pan Burrage.

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Speaker 1: Oh ask you that.

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Speaker 2: I'm kidding, Yes, of course, this sounds like an amazing gig.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is just one of those gifts. I'm imagining, Claudia,

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: A dream gig. I almost felt a bit guilty. You know,

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Speaker 1: taking any sort of payments because I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: a mini university degree. I should be paying you.

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Speaker 2: So you weren't like Matt Dorian who was asked us

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Speaker 2: to listen to the Adele album before he interviewed her

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Speaker 2: and didn't do that homework. You read the books.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I definitely read the books, and I was

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Speaker 1: quite shocked. Some of the authors said, it's so nice

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Speaker 1: to talk to someone about my book and they've read it.

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Speaker 1: I said, what are you talking about? The people actually

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Speaker 1: interview you and not read the book, but what would

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Speaker 1: you talk about? It's no, it's wonderful when you when

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Speaker 1: you've been particularly affected by it, or you know, there's

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Speaker 1: passages that I would highlight and then read back to

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Speaker 1: the authors and that was really that was one of

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Speaker 1: the most enjoyable parts of the trip because they would

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Speaker 1: they sometimes not even remember having written that passage.

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Speaker 3: So that's good. I remember when my book came out

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Speaker 3: You Knew You in Trouble when the interviewer started asking

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Speaker 3: questions about tell us about the publisher, New holland are

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Speaker 3: they good?

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Speaker 2: This thought is interesting.

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Speaker 3: I know it's twenty three ninety nine. Did you pick

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Speaker 3: that price? Claudia It's always great to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: The Books That Made Us premiers tonight at eight thirty

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Speaker 3: on the ABC. Claudia Carvin, thank you, Thank you for

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Speaker 3: having me.

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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Take care so you by Jonesy and Amanda's Nation