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Speaker 1: Get a I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,

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Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail.

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Speaker 1: Hello there, this is our second fertility episode, and in

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Speaker 1: this episode, Boss and I talk about all the extra

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Speaker 1: things we did on top of I guess orthodox med

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Speaker 1: like working with our fertility specialists. We also talk about

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Speaker 1: having a natural path and going on a bunch of

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Speaker 1: supplements and working with an acupuncturist and energy healer and

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Speaker 1: mental health, both having our therapists and me booking and

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Speaker 1: needing a few extra emergency sessions. Also on this one,

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Speaker 1: we literally inject on the mic, so you will get

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Speaker 1: to hear what it's like for one of the medicines

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Speaker 1: because it's got this weird clicky sound. And of course

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Speaker 1: we've got a fertility specialist busting a few myths for

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Speaker 1: us as well. So tune in and thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for listening, for sharing with your mates, because this

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Speaker 1: feels really vulnerable. I think sharing your fertility journey and

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Speaker 1: the journey with IVF it's a wild ride. It's a

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Speaker 1: roller coaster. And thank you for all your support with

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Speaker 1: it and just letting us be real. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Big love. Welcome back to your fertility special Hello, Hello

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Speaker 1: with co host Matt's so far and what are we doing? Boss?

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Speaker 2: We are in the middle of freezing embryos.

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Speaker 1: Freezing embryos, and in this episode we are going to

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Speaker 1: talk about all the other elements of support that you

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Speaker 1: can do on top of working with your fertility specialist

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Speaker 1: and the fertility clinic to support you and your partner

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Speaker 1: and to do all the things that you be the

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Speaker 1: best possible outcome. Basically, Well, that's what we've decided to do.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful right, So before we start, Yeah, I have I

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Speaker 1: want to do an injection in real time, but because

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Speaker 1: of the time in which I inject is very early

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Speaker 1: in the morning to recording this, I have a little tiny,

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Speaker 1: tiny amount left over in my clicker pin. I'm onto

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Speaker 1: it here and I just wanted people to hear the sound.

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Speaker 1: The sound. Can you come with me and hold the

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Speaker 1: mic and I'm going to do it into the mic

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Speaker 1: And this is your follicle stimulating hormone. So for me,

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Speaker 1: this is the first one that I start with. And

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Speaker 1: then an antagonist has given hang on, let's do it

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Speaker 1: all on the MIC's bosco. He was getting ahead, he

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Speaker 1: the clicking sound of this injection is scarier and probably

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Speaker 1: the most full on bit of the injection itself. Would

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Speaker 1: to hold the mic and I'm going to do it

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Speaker 1: there is not enough liquid in here to do this dosage.

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Speaker 1: But just so you can hear part of the experience. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Well, he's just nodding at me out forgot he can't

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Speaker 1: This needle doesn't hurt you, ready, and then you count one, two, three, four, five,

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Speaker 1: And then what happens is you put that cap back

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Speaker 1: that it's given on like day four or five. To

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Speaker 1: stop you ovulating that that's for me. That is a

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Speaker 1: on the day where there's triggers to be given, it

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Speaker 1: Did you enjoy it?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So let's start with the support so neutropathy. So

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Speaker 1: both you and I were on certain supplements. Now we're

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Speaker 1: going to be I going to interviewing my naturopaths specifically

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Speaker 2: Course or a more tailored course of supplements.

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Speaker 1: So we'll say, before we went on any supplements, the

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Speaker 1: So it's a good little trick to save a little

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Speaker 1: And I think your first sperm test was out of

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Speaker 1: So the AMH blood test is basically lets you know

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Speaker 1: age as a female, that number goes down, which is

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Speaker 1: why there's all these like sayings like race to thirty

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Speaker 1: five to freeze your eggs, and there's a whole podcast

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Speaker 1: thing if you're just like even thinking about it, and

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Speaker 1: I think seeing a natural path at that point in time,

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Speaker 1: Sam said, I want three months to get you guys

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Speaker 1: fertility and overall kind of like it's very preconception care

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Speaker 1: am on a prenatal zinx. Heaps of stuff, like loads

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Speaker 2: And also some do double up with what the doctor, So.

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Speaker 1: they can to actually tailor your supplements to slow down

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Speaker 1: so things like the fish oil pulls back the koke

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Speaker 1: So we've got a green smoothie recipe ready to go

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Speaker 1: the next thing is acupuncture, which we've both done in

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Speaker 1: the lead up. So not only a study have studies

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Speaker 1: you go for bossco anxiety, anxiety, stress relief, anxieties. Acupuncture

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Speaker 1: is phenomenal for that. You even get special little acupuncturing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And she puts the little acupressure points on these stickers. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: little stickers that you can press on, and you're really great.

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Speaker 1: Very cool. So I you haven't been going to acupuncture

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Speaker 1: I think you're bang on. But also we've done carrier

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Speaker 1: type testing, which is a blood test that's a chromosome

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Speaker 1: genetic blood test that on both of us. We've both

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Speaker 1: done that. We haven't got results yet, though, so I'm

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Speaker 1: going to follow that up. But also the doctor warned

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Speaker 1: me that to do genique testing on embryo, it's literally

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Speaker 1: a biopsy, and so the embryo has to respond well

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Speaker 1: to that biopsy.

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Speaker 2: It could affect the quality of the embryo.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so we have chosen to just freeze whatever get initially,

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Speaker 1: like a natural freeze. I know that's called but we

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Speaker 1: let You're right, we can on the track if we

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Speaker 1: want to.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, but it.

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Speaker 1: Does involve thrawing and refreezing.

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Speaker 2: Which puts it at risk. I understand.

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Speaker 1: Yes, will you be trying naturally first then using your

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Speaker 1: m babies?

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Speaker 2: I suppose so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think we'll reassess early forties. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to keep track of my AMH levels and I think

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Speaker 1: we'll just I don't think we're going to plan to

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Speaker 1: do anything before forty though, no matter what.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've said at the start of this we will

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Speaker 1: take the cards where dealt from this experience, and I

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Speaker 1: think I think the plan is to try natural, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think so it's fun to try natural.

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Speaker 2: Too, Oh is it not? Oh? Yeah, yeah, do a

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Speaker 2: whole live podcast.

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Speaker 1: Oh what my goodness, No, busco nousco no, fusco. No,

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Speaker 1: but yes, I think that would be the plan early

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Speaker 1: forties and then we've got ideally a few embryos on ice.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do they give you a oh, here we go?

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Speaker 1: Do they give you a time frame to use them by?

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Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure, but I'm pretty sure we have

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Speaker 2: a ten year period.

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Speaker 1: You are spot on. That was the contracted.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a period, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And you've got to sign this really full

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Speaker 1: on contract. So like, if you and I break up,

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Speaker 1: who gets them? We had to sign that. If one

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Speaker 1: of us passes away, who gets them? If if we

478
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Speaker 1: both part like this, it's pretty full on. It's pretty intense,

479
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Speaker 1: isn't it?

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Speaker 2: That whole spread intense? But I think it's great to

481
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Speaker 2: get on top of all that stuff and have clear

482
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Speaker 2: discussions and.

483
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Speaker 1: Which we did, Yeah, which we did. We had really

484
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Speaker 1: honest and open convos and chats about it all. But

485
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Speaker 1: like we both said, if anything happens to either of us,

486
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Speaker 1: the other person gets it, correct you. So I just

487
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Speaker 1: wanted to And it does actually force you to have

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Speaker 1: these really like honest and open, vulnerable conversations, which I

489
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: think is a good thing for couples. To go through totally.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel absolutely there you go?

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Speaker 2: Bosco? That was pretty wow?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was great. Did you like it was?

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Speaker 2: Well? I liked. I like, I like the supplement party

494
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Speaker 2: because I definitely like to take a lot of subs. Yeah,

495
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean I didn't add too much to

496
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Speaker 2: what I was already taking, but it was nice just

497
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Speaker 2: to add a few extra little things in just get

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Speaker 2: my health spot on.

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Speaker 1: Primer and those swimmers spotted do you know both specialists

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Speaker 1: we've seen have both said to Matt, great, great sperm quality.

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00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, super swimmers. And I've actually sent my sperm report

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Speaker 2: to like a few of our friends that are like

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Speaker 2: natural paths through.

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Speaker 1: You haven't been like, do you want to see my sperm?

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00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: So I think it was.

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Speaker 2: It was like good concentration and good mobility. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Mobility, I think it is so basically the ability for

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Speaker 1: the sperm to get into the egg, because if that missing,

510
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Speaker 1: they use this thing called IXY Yes boy, which costs

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Speaker 1: nine hundred and ninety.

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Speaker 2: Dollars per per embryo.

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00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: Is it per embryo? No?

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00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: Total?

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00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: I think it's total. But basically that's where they inject

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Speaker 1: the spent into They give them a head start. But

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Speaker 1: how's this. Here's the kick out. You've got to pay

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00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: for the ixy whether you use it or not, and

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00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: then they refund it after Yeah, yeah, nine.

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00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: I don't think we're going to need it, so.

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Speaker 1: We'll get a nine to ninety refund. We'll be fun,

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Speaker 1: all right. Good job boss, A good job on. You

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Speaker 1: could not be here without you. You are the best,

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Speaker 1: saying Bosca Cheno.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to see how this unfolds.

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Speaker 1: Mate, What a what a what a wild right? What

527
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: a roller coaster?

528
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: Oh wow?

529
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Speaker 1: Only at the start, mate.

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Speaker 2: Only at the start.

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Speaker 1: I've heard that it's even a roller coaster when you

532
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Speaker 1: do the transfers and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure it is. Yeah, I'm sure it is.

534
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Speaker 1: A friend of mine was telling when you get embryos transferred,

535
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: like you go in and you put your feet in

536
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Speaker 1: the horse europe things, right, Yeah, you're laying back on

537
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: there like bed.

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00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: Let's call it the shoot one of the vert.

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00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: They go clear and then shoot it straight up. No yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: no pain though, it's not like a needle or anything.

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Speaker 1: It just feels like you've got that dildo thing back

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00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 1: inside and they'd have like they just shoot it straight up. Yeah, Okay,

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00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: that sounds not sounds kind of fun, like a bit

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Speaker 1: of a gang, not a game, but you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, that sounds a bit more fun than

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Speaker 1: injecting totally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all right right, proud of you, good job.

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Speaker 1: Love you, You're the best.

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00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: See you in the next episode. Bye.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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