1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: In Queensland, one political party is proposing what some might 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: consider some pretty extreme laws for people to protect themselves 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: and their homes. Kata's Australia Party leader Robbie Catter joins 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: me on the line. 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 2: Good morning Robbie, Yeah, good morning, Katie. 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show. Now, it's called 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: the Castle Law. What exactly does it propose? 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it comes from that. I'll say, my 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: home is my castle. And you know, it's funny that 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: a lot of people say these extreme laws and it's radical. 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,959 Speaker 2: I would say it's fairly moderate and I think most 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 2: people would agree when they hear the full extent of it. 13 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: So at the moment, if you retaliate to someone being 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: in your house and you took action, which is that's 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: sort of in the minority of situations. But if you 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: did take so action and you pick up a baseball bat, 17 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: then when they only have a small knife or a 18 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: no weapon, then you're then subject to the full force 19 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: of the law and facing criminal charges. And I've actually 20 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: had this and now in Isiasa with a couple of 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 2: people who've taken manage into their own hands when they've 22 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: been attacked and they've while one of them spent sixty 23 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 2: grand and seven year was facing a seven year jail term. 24 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: Spent sixty grand to get themselves off a seven year 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: jail term, and the kid was under fourteen. There was 26 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: no damage at all done, no serious trauma at all 27 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: to the kid, but just the fact that they'd raised, 28 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 2: which was a golf club. They faced seven years in prison. 29 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: So people are pretty reluctant to use it any they've 30 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: got a second guess themselves if they do find in 31 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: that precarious situation. And we're just saying that taking that 32 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: cause out of the acting queens, and it says you 33 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:56,559 Speaker 2: need to use equal force or something of equal value 34 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: in terms of protecting yourself, we're saying remove that so 35 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: you can use something bigger. So if they use a dagger, 36 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: you can use a bazooka. I mean to go to 37 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: extreme modibly. But if you happen to have a baseball 38 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: bat in the house or a cricket bat and use 39 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: that to defend your home, well then you're protected by 40 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: the law. There's nothing they can come and get you at. 41 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: And I think that's pretty reasonable because no one wants 42 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: people to come and attack them in their house. They 43 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: didn't ask them to be there and come and attack 44 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: them and their family. All they're good and if the 45 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: police can't get there to protect you, and let's face it, 46 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: police are there usually pick up the pieces afterwards. They 47 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 2: don't sit out for by the front of your house 48 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: all night, yeah, making olders in. So it's pretty late 49 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 2: by the time they're in your house. And a lot 50 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: of the time I expected to just watch them and 51 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: clap their hands and give them their car keys as 52 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 2: they go out. Some people don't take that well. 53 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: I understand that more than forty thousand Queenslanders are actually 54 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: backing this call. So you had a petition that you've 55 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 1: then tabled in Parliament. Is that right? 56 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's good with a petition in Queensland, you're 57 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: pretty happy to get over ten thousand people. And I 58 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: guess it just shows and you know, I don't even 59 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: think we've got the problems you got in the territory 60 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: here in Queensland, but counsil Cans and Mount Eyes are 61 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: the hot spots and people are just crying out for 62 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: some sort of change in the legislation that creates the 63 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: terrence for these most what is mostly kids, a juvenile 64 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: there's no to turn from. There's no discouragement from bad behavior, 65 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: and they don't, you know, they don't have the family 66 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 2: keeping him in line at home. So I mean, I 67 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 2: think I think there's even members of their own families 68 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: crying out with some sort of consequence for these kids, 69 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: so they stopped doing it. A lot of these families 70 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: don't want their kids playing up by that, So we're 71 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: just trying to create some devices that are practical that 72 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: can lead to some consequence for the kids, so they 73 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: get a beating if they go in while you know 74 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: that you've got what you deserve because you shouldn't be 75 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: in there still and threatening people with violence in the 76 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: first place. 77 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: So, Robbie, is it I mean, is it sort of 78 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: proposing because I know in some of the media out 79 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: of Queensland it's sort of been made sound like, you know, 80 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: like your party is pushing for the ability for a 81 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: homeowner to be able to kill someone if they get 82 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: inside your house. Is that the case. 83 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not going to say no one's ever going 84 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,679 Speaker 2: to do that. That's certainly not what we're advocating. We're 85 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: just advocating that you're protected if you happen to fall 86 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: under the circumstance were you have to defend yourself and 87 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: you pick up a bigger implement than what they've got. 88 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: That's I'd say, that's pretty subtle. But all the bleeding 89 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: arts and civil libertarians that are out there that are 90 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 2: at the counterpoint to anything we try and do, they're 91 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: going to rip into it and find every excuse why 92 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: you can't do it. And they think you've got to 93 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 2: kiss and cattally hip back to being good. You know. 94 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: I get why they think like that, but that's just 95 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 2: not practical for the size of the magnitude of the 96 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: situation we've got right now, rob we just need to 97 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: create some consequences, mate. 98 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: I can hear some of those people listening to the 99 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: show this morning going all, come on, this is way 100 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: too far, you know, Wolfe, why Robbie on talking about this? 101 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: What do you say to those people? 102 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: Well, I'd say that most people are pretty well intentioned 103 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: and just want to live a safe life at home, 104 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 2: and the governments are failing to offer legislation that does 105 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 2: that and then failing to protect us. So might seem 106 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 2: for everyone, but at the end of the day, we 107 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,799 Speaker 2: need laws to the commensurate with the size of the problem, 108 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 2: and you've got a massive problem and nothing you're doing 109 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 2: at the market there or are you in Queensland is 110 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: fixing it. And don't think you can kiss and color 111 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 2: your way back into that. I'm all for it, but 112 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: it's just way beyond that at the moment. And people, 113 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,679 Speaker 2: at the very least, the baseline should be you should 114 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: be able to protect your home, your family and your property. 115 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 2: And most people are good people that will never go 116 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 2: too far. You can never legislate for idiots that do 117 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: go too far. Govern matter if you put these laws 118 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: in or not, you're never going to be able to 119 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: legislate for that. Some people do go too far no 120 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: matter what the law says. The most people are well 121 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: intentioned trying to do the right thing and they have 122 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 2: the right deck themselves and their property. 123 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: Robbie tell us what is it like in Queensland at 124 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: the moment, because very often our politicians, when we talk 125 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: about our issues with crime here in the Northern territory, 126 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: they go, oh, you know there's crime right around Australia. 127 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: All you've got to do is look at Cannstown's or 128 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: mant Eyser. I mean, I grew up in man Eiser, 129 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: I know that things aren't great there right now, but 130 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: I don't know that they're at the same level as 131 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: what they are here. I guess it's hard to tell. 132 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, if I focus on mant Eiser, where I've 133 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: lived the last twenty years and certainly know the wool family, 134 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: that's for sure that they're like all the oldies in towns. 135 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 2: They made it and it was never like this. And interestingly, 136 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: it's a lot of the Aboriginal families coming off with saying, Rob, 137 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: it's not like this, We're going to tidy this up. 138 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 2: And a lot of them are the strongest, strongest advocates 139 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 2: for some tougher laws or tougher measures to try and 140 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 2: curb this stuff because they want to live in a 141 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 2: safe community just as much as I do. And yeah, 142 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: so it's it is. It has degenerated the problem, and 143 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: I think it's just a function of when it's same 144 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 2: as any parent or any family black Water Brindle, if 145 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: they don't have rule or boundaries for anyone, the kids 146 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: go feral. And these kids have been far too protected 147 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: by people making decisions from the city that don't understand 148 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: the problem and don't understand the people trying to address it. 149 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: And you know, we can also take this conversation, which 150 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: is another thing either on here is most parents, and 151 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: a lot of the Aboriginal parents say we lost our 152 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: right to smack. We can't discipline their kids anymore. As 153 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: soon as they do, they get a wrap on the 154 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: knuckles from child safety and they sort of feel disempowered 155 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: from discipline their own kids. But we've brothers generation. They 156 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: just know no boundaries, and you know, if you're compassionate 157 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: want to really turn those kids' life around, you would 158 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: set boundaries and you would have consequences for them. And 159 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: that doesn't mean you're waiting with a gun behind your door. 160 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: It just means. It just means that people know that 161 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: go into houses and steal and threaten the peace the 162 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: family lands because won't work out well for you. That's 163 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: the only message you want to get through them. And 164 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: that's a good message that's going to help those kids. 165 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: Well, it's certainly a message that the majority of us 166 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: grew up with, right Like, if you do the wrong thing, 167 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: you're more worried about what your parents are going to do, 168 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: then then you know what the cops are going to 169 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: say to you. And if you got into someone's house, 170 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, God forbid, I can't even imagine what Rodney 171 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: will fould have done to me or my brothers. 172 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean and again taking that back to 173 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: like the Aboriginal families in maun Eyes are like oh 174 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: of them. They'll get taken manage in their own hands, 175 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: and then they get locked up since Stuart prison whatever, 176 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 2: because they're trying to deal with these issues and he 177 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 2: keeps playing up. So you know, it's very pervasive, this 178 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 2: attitude that you've got to kids in cardle them back 179 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: to being good kids. I get that. I get that 180 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: they come from a traumatic life, and you know that's 181 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: the central part of the problem. But it's too big 182 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 2: and too acute at the moment to deal with it 183 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: in traditional ways. You've you've got a problem where it's 184 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: running right and it's a you know, just like a 185 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 2: growing disease. You know, the kids misbehaving see their other 186 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: mates get away with it, and they go to use 187 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: Stewart the Cleveland Bay Use Detention Center. They all go, 188 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: everyone in North Queens and all goes to Cleveland Bay. 189 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: So they have a bit of a holiday there. Quite literally. 190 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: They say to the police in Mount Either I'm good. 191 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 2: I smashed the whin they because I want to go 192 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: back to Cleveland. I'm my friends are there and my 193 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 2: brothers there come and so that's not a consequence. And 194 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: then they have a fun time on social media playing 195 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: when they steal cars or the bowls of the crime 196 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 2: sort of more exhilarating it is for them, and you know, 197 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: I get that, but it's not good for the rest 198 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: of us, and we've got to try and rest it. 199 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 2: And that's not doing that's not just helping the victims 200 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 2: of the crime, but it's also helping most kids. It's 201 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: not doing them any good. Let them get away with 202 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: all this either. We want to try and turn their 203 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: lives around as well and create some consequences. 204 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: One well, Rob Kata, Kata's Australia Party leader. Really appreciate 205 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: you're having a chat with us this morning. Thanks Cozy, 206 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: thank you, Thanks very much.