WEBVTT - NATALIE BASSINGTHWAIGHTE TALKS SPACE 22

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the news today, but it was actually on

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<v Speaker 1>TV Reload the podcast last week Airline. Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris, and on this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>I go behind the scenes with the biggest players in television.

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<v Speaker 1>Each episode you will get a front row seat with

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<v Speaker 1>plus the talent that we see on our screens. TV

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<v Speaker 1>Reload reloads the shows that you are currently watching and

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<v Speaker 1>gives you a better insight at our television industry and

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<v Speaker 1>streaming services today. On the podcast, I have Natalie Bassingthwaye,

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<v Speaker 1>who is one of the biggest all rounders when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to the arts. You would know her songs, seen

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<v Speaker 1>her acting, bought her clothes, maybe even sat in her

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<v Speaker 1>theater shows, but I doubt you've ever seen her like

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<v Speaker 1>in her latest project on ABC Space twenty two. This

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<v Speaker 1>show features seven Australians taking on specially designed workshops to

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<v Speaker 1>see if that will improve their mental health struggles. Creativity

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<v Speaker 1>help your well being is the question at hand. The

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<v Speaker 1>show spans across ten days of creativity, to which it's

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<v Speaker 1>creators call art on Prescription. It's an emotional ride and

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<v Speaker 1>I will advise you to pack some tissues, but I

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<v Speaker 1>swear you'll walk away from this show with a new

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<v Speaker 1>perspective on mental health care. Maybe, like me, you will

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<v Speaker 1>learn a few new things about yourself. Now we'll talk Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>a Little Pill, her Neighbor's return, Rogue Traders, and this

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<v Speaker 1>year's winter blockbuster Elvis directed by mister baz Lerman. However,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get started with today's episode. I'd like to welcome

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<v Speaker 1>Nat Bass to TV.

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<v Speaker 2>Reload lots of different things going on in this show.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that I do when I first

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<v Speaker 1>meet people is ask them do you do anything creatively?

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<v Speaker 2>You have to watch it to believe it.

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<v Speaker 3>Over ten days, seven Australians from all walks of life

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<v Speaker 3>will take part in a specially designed art workshop.

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<v Speaker 2>At the core of it, it's a fly on the

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<v Speaker 2>wall doopum entry to.

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<v Speaker 3>Test whether immersing themselves in creativity can improve their mental

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<v Speaker 3>well being.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to literally walk away. I went into the

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<v Speaker 2>room and I fell to the ground. Welcome to Space

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two. I've kind of taken this mental ill health

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<v Speaker 2>journey and it's part of me like it is part

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<v Speaker 2>of me.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Natalie, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm great? How are you. You look cute.

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<v Speaker 1>I really haven't done that much to get dressed up

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<v Speaker 1>for you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is my podcast here, it's cute. I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>You start the show Space twenty two with an admission

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<v Speaker 1>that I think will shock even the closest of friends

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<v Speaker 1>and your fans, and that is your own admission of

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<v Speaker 1>mental health struggle.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have like six showers a day and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of sit on the ground and put myself in the

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<v Speaker 2>fetal position. I didn't know it was my mind. I

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<v Speaker 2>just I didn't know what was happening.

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<v Speaker 1>How hard was that to speak about that part of

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<v Speaker 1>your own story publicly?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? So funny because I think because I've lived with

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<v Speaker 2>it for so long, it feels weird that no one

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<v Speaker 2>knows about it, you know what I mean. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you mean? No one knows? And I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily think officially planned to talk about I felt fine

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about it, and I have so in the

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<v Speaker 2>last sort of five years. But I think when I

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<v Speaker 2>was asked to do the show, I did it because

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<v Speaker 2>I felt comfortable now talking about it, and I started

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<v Speaker 2>to get sick and tired of everyone pretending that life

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<v Speaker 2>is so great and I'm amazing and how beautiful am

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<v Speaker 2>I look at all these amazing things I own, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, social media is just like this. Ah. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I just was like, I'm over it, and so it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't actually that hard to talk about it in the end.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I think five years ago, I was really nervous

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<v Speaker 2>about saying it out loud because of the fear of

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<v Speaker 2>what people would think of me, you know, that I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't strong enough, or what's wrong with you? Or just

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<v Speaker 2>the stigma like would they employ me? Like maybe I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't even employed because I'm two bonkers, But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>have realized that I am a bit bonkers and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what makes me me, and so I've kind of taken

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<v Speaker 2>this mental ill health journey and it's part of me,

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<v Speaker 2>like it is part of me. So I will always

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<v Speaker 2>work on being a better person, and I'll always work

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<v Speaker 2>on calming myself down when it's all too much. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in a really good space right now. So I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like going into a show like that was exciting

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<v Speaker 2>for me because I was like, Wow, I had a

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<v Speaker 2>few very close people go through similar things to what

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<v Speaker 2>I had been through, and I was like, uh uh,

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<v Speaker 2>You'll be fine. They're like, no, I can't. I just

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<v Speaker 2>know you're gonna be fine. I'm telling you I've been

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<v Speaker 2>exactly where you were. And then when they started their medication,

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<v Speaker 2>it can be terrifying because it really feels. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I've had friends who they don't feel anything when they're gone,

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<v Speaker 2>and some friends who feel really like fragile. I felt

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<v Speaker 2>really it was I didn't like it, and I was like, whoa,

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<v Speaker 2>is this how I'm going to feel because this isn't working.

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<v Speaker 2>But then when you go on it, it's just balancing

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<v Speaker 2>out all the things in your brain. Once it plataued,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god, I feel like me.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was really strange. So I think that I

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<v Speaker 2>felt really comfortable talking about it, and I clearly do now,

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<v Speaker 2>like jeez, like spilling it all out to the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's beautiful, Nat, because you know when you I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we're both in our forties now, but you know, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>it funny that we can now talk about this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff And you know, when you're younger, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you can share certain things because I think

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<v Speaker 1>for me, we often feel like we can't talk about

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<v Speaker 1>our feelings because we tell ourselves you know what I

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<v Speaker 1>feel doesn't matter, or that other people have it harder.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what was your inner saboteur saying to you,

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<v Speaker 1>like what was happening inside your head that stopped you

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<v Speaker 1>from talking publicly about this?

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<v Speaker 2>I genuinely thought that. I mean, no one talked about

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<v Speaker 2>it when I first went through it, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>it was not a thing like I didn't even know

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<v Speaker 2>what was going on me. I was like, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I was twenty something, early twenties. I honestly didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what it was. So it wasn't even like I

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<v Speaker 2>was sabotaging myself back then. I just didn't know what

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<v Speaker 2>was wrong with me. I thought like I felt isolated

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<v Speaker 2>and alone and scared and frightened, and you know, through

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<v Speaker 2>therapy at first, then medication, and then constantly looking at

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<v Speaker 2>myself over the years, the sub Yeah, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if I ever sab that. I don't know if that

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<v Speaker 2>that was in my head. It was just more a

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<v Speaker 2>fear of what people would think of me, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and that I might not get a job again. And

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<v Speaker 2>now I just think that's kind of crazy, because I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>why not, Like I'm a great person, I'm a kind person.

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<v Speaker 2>My husband doesn't think I'm funny, but I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>really funny.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you are funny. That's one of my favorite things

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<v Speaker 1>about you is that you're funny because you take the

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<v Speaker 1>pairs like you don't take yourself too seriously. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're kind of one of those delicious friends. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>come here and I'm going to tell you the crazy

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<v Speaker 1>stuff about myself, which I love about you, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in your own words. How do you explain the concept

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<v Speaker 1>of space twenty two?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Space twenty two takes seven very very different Australians

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<v Speaker 2>from all walks of life, going through quite different things,

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<v Speaker 2>but they have that kind of connection that they've all

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<v Speaker 2>been through or are still going through their own mental

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<v Speaker 2>health struggles and like I'm talking from PTSD to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>childhood traumas to suicidal tendencies, like some pretty heavy stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've all been through their own things over the

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<v Speaker 2>course of their lives and we're trying to see through.

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<v Speaker 2>The Black Dog Institute is also like monitoring their emotions

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<v Speaker 2>and everything from the get go to the end and

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<v Speaker 2>just to see what happens, but to see where the

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<v Speaker 2>art and creativity can have a place in their mental

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<v Speaker 2>you know well, being like whether it can help heal

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<v Speaker 2>old wounds or whether it can help now and in

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<v Speaker 2>the future, so that they can take these tools with

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<v Speaker 2>them and be able to use them in their everyday life.

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<v Speaker 2>And also the other thing I loved about it is

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<v Speaker 2>that outside of this, we're hoping that people will take

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<v Speaker 2>something themselves that they can use into their own lives.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's lots of different things going on in this show,

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<v Speaker 2>but at the core of it, it's a fly on

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<v Speaker 2>the wall documentary. It's very powerful, it's very raw and real.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll definitely need some tissues, but you'll feel your heart

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<v Speaker 2>will just be like, oh, you know, like it's a

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<v Speaker 2>very very special show.

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<v Speaker 4>My brother's name is Jack and he was twenty five

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<v Speaker 4>when he died. He was returning from a trip to

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<v Speaker 4>Europe in twenty fourteen. He was on flight MPG seventeen

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<v Speaker 4>when it was it was shot down. So yeah, that

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<v Speaker 4>his death just changed my life completely and permanent.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, there was some of oginal discomfort that I

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<v Speaker 1>felt at the start of watching the show, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think is normal because that can be when you feel seen,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, or this is cutting too close to your

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<v Speaker 1>own backstory. You know, I've got my own backstory with

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<v Speaker 1>depression and anxiety. I hope when people first come across

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<v Speaker 1>this that they feel like that that's perfectly normal, that's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the that's you to the content, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>that they're not alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like I want people to go, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>that is me or I know or so not only

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<v Speaker 2>for themselves, but even for their family members that have

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<v Speaker 2>never experienced what this feels like. And you know how

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<v Speaker 2>it's so hard to explain. I'm like, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like you're in a vortex and like everyone's negative and

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<v Speaker 2>like you can't be positive. I'm like, I know how

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<v Speaker 2>it feels, but just word it doesn't really sometimes make sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I hope family members and friends can watch

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<v Speaker 2>and go, oh wow, I didn't know that that's how

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<v Speaker 2>you felt or that's what you were going through, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is how I can support you as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought was What was strange was that I watched

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<v Speaker 1>it in I watched the first five episodes in one block,

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<v Speaker 1>and I obviously, you know, had the luxury and the

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<v Speaker 1>time that I set aside to do that. But I

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<v Speaker 1>started writing stuff down after watching the show, and I

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<v Speaker 1>started unnothing things about myself, and I was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the symptoms of my depression and anxiety, the stuff that's

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<v Speaker 1>really visible to other people are actually really ugly about myself,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, drinking or lying or being unreliable. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's quite frightening that I repel people at times when

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<v Speaker 1>I really need them the most.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see that from you. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about. You're such a lovely human like I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at going, what is this just your like

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<v Speaker 2>devil on your back that thinks that because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're all so hard on ourselves, aren't we?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>That is what happens to me is that at my

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<v Speaker 1>worst stages of my own struggle, it is usually have

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<v Speaker 1>these really gross things about myself. But what was beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>about this show was allowing me to understand that about myself,

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<v Speaker 1>which I felt was this amazing healing. It's almost like

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<v Speaker 1>when you think if we thought about growing up and

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<v Speaker 1>we'd never talked about this, the idea that something on

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<v Speaker 1>television like this could be so visceral and so helpful

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<v Speaker 1>is like three D television, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, oh you just gave me goosies. I agree

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<v Speaker 2>like it. It's so profound, Like everyone's like, what do

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<v Speaker 2>they get out of it? I'm like, you just you

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<v Speaker 2>have to watch it to believe it. Like I was

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<v Speaker 2>in the space, I was like looking at Ray when

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<v Speaker 2>he came in and he didn't want to cut you know,

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<v Speaker 2>give me a hard which is fine, but being very

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<v Speaker 2>shut off and very like, oh no, I don't kind

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<v Speaker 2>of do that, and then who are you? Ray? At

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<v Speaker 2>the end, I just kept going, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even deal with how I mean. For those

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<v Speaker 2>who don't know, Ray is the sixty six year old

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<v Speaker 2>retiree who has a very like scientist like that's just

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<v Speaker 2>how he works. He does not into all this Artivardi

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<v Speaker 2>fairies down See, he wasn't on board, but he wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to try something because he's tried everything, Like he's tried

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<v Speaker 2>every therapist, he's tried groups, he's tried medication for days

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<v Speaker 2>and like just nothing had worked for him. Like he

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that he says killed me, like

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<v Speaker 2>it hurts so much, And he said, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>wake up in the morning sometimes and I'm a bit

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<v Speaker 2>bummed that I'm still alive. I'm like what the hell,

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<v Speaker 2>how can anyone say that about themselves? Like, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is how low he was, you know, and just to

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<v Speaker 2>see through togetherness, through play, through stuff that he'd never

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<v Speaker 2>tried before. He literally came to life, like he just

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<v Speaker 2>came to life.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. And those interactions between you and all the

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<v Speaker 1>participants is so raw at times, and knowing you and

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<v Speaker 1>the way you connect with people like I've been I've

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<v Speaker 1>been lucky to watch that over decades. The way you

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<v Speaker 1>connect to people is really wholeheartedly, you know. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was wondering, you know, was it really hard and was

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<v Speaker 1>this the hardest project to work on, because it would

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<v Speaker 1>have because it takes so much out of you.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. The weird thing was is that after the

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<v Speaker 2>first day or and my husband and said, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>I've just found my purpose, Like this is what all

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<v Speaker 2>of this has meant, you know, Like everything I've been

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<v Speaker 2>through is meant that this is why I was supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to have gone through all that is for this moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved it so much. But there was a point where,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in my own mental health journey in the

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<v Speaker 2>last few years, had that breakdown a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It was horrific terrifying all the things that came out

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<v Speaker 2>of it, and I released things that no longer served me.

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<v Speaker 2>I closed down businesses. I just had to, like it

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<v Speaker 2>was all too much, you know. It was just like

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<v Speaker 2>trying to be all the things, and I just released Release, Release,

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<v Speaker 2>moved to Byron Bay, like got rid of the city

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<v Speaker 2>life and all of that. And I feel like Nazi

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<v Speaker 2>on a train of thought. Okay, So I said to myself,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't do so much at once, Like I really

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<v Speaker 2>need to be mindful of taking on too much. So

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I'm never working like this again. And I

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<v Speaker 2>planned to do that, but during the filming of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>I was also rehearsing for Jag a Little Pill, which

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't supposed to happen, but because COVID everything overlapped, and

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<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden, I was doing two and

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<v Speaker 2>you've seen the show. It is heavy and very emotional

0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:33.680
<v Speaker 2>but beautiful and like, oh, you know, so I literally

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<v Speaker 2>was filming this show in the mornings from six to

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<v Speaker 2>four and then going into rehearse I was broken, and

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm very empathetic, I would go in and I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be with you know, all the crew on Space twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two and like feeling all their stuff and their pains,

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<v Speaker 2>and then going in at night and feeling my character's pain.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like one day I was I became one

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<v Speaker 2>of the participants because I got to do one of

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<v Speaker 2>the artworks, and then I was just like I had

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<v Speaker 2>to literally walk away. I went into the room and

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<v Speaker 2>I fell to the ground and I was hysterically crying.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was a moment that I again hadn't had

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time, like this isn't me anymore. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't do this anymore. But I did the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I said that I wouldn't do again, Like I took

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<v Speaker 2>on too much. It was emotionally too much for me

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<v Speaker 2>to take and physically mentally emotionally, Yeah, so happened again.

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<v Speaker 2>There's that little thing oral in it's ugly head, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, like damn, but now that's so you like you've

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<v Speaker 1>always been like that, and you know, you'd be like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm singing and I've got an album out, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>also doing this brand new acting role and I'm playing

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<v Speaker 1>this person or you know, I'm and then you're also

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<v Speaker 1>always trying to do a lot for the people around you,

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<v Speaker 1>which I also think can be just as exhausting as

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<v Speaker 1>a really good job is you know for you being

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<v Speaker 1>a mother, being a you know, a wife. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got all these other things on top of you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I will say, Jack a little Pill. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>it four times so quick playing that show times.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe that.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was so hard to think because I know

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<v Speaker 1>the way in which you do your acting is because

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<v Speaker 1>I've read about it and I've heard you talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is you know, you're going through the motions with this,

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<v Speaker 1>with these characters, and that character you're playing on Jago

0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Little Pill has this trajectory that is so quotent.

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<v Speaker 2>It was, but at the same time it was so therapeutic,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I think sometimes when we have mental ill

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<v Speaker 2>health things some of them are childhood trauma, some are

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<v Speaker 2>other people's things, Like this is what I'm learning about ancestry,

0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:36.760
<v Speaker 2>some ancestral trauma. I'm like, dude, what you know, Like,

0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm learning so much about our brain and the neuroplasticity

0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.280
<v Speaker 2>of what we can achieve if we you know, they

0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.880
<v Speaker 2>say repetition, and like if you do something for twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eight days that you can we can literally we we

0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.480
<v Speaker 2>rewire our brains, you know, Like I just I find

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<v Speaker 2>all of that fascinating. So I did, you know, go

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<v Speaker 2>through Jagged as well, and just when I'm just going

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<v Speaker 2>to go in there and be this person, come out

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<v Speaker 2>the other end and show everyone that that's possible too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's therapeutic, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this program is such a great initiative by

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<v Speaker 1>the ABC, and you know, my hat is so off

0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.840
<v Speaker 1>to them. How did you find yourself involved with Space

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two?

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<v Speaker 2>I got the email. My manager sent me this email

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<v Speaker 2>saying there's a probe this program. Are you interested? And

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<v Speaker 2>when I read it, I was like, oh my gosh,

0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.760
<v Speaker 2>I have to do this show, Like it just all

0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.280
<v Speaker 2>made sense. And then I said, yep, yep, I'm in,

0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.040
<v Speaker 2>and she goes, oh, no, it's not an offer. They

0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:32.439
<v Speaker 2>just want it off. You're interested. I was like, what, Like, no,

0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.159
<v Speaker 2>I have to do this show, you know, And so

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<v Speaker 2>much so that when then I did an interview with them,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was pushing hard, like guys, like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>I'm supposed to be this person. I've never done that

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<v Speaker 2>in my life, but so much so that because of COVID,

0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Jagged got pushed back and then got pushed forward, and

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<v Speaker 2>I almost had to choose whether to do this or Jagged,

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<v Speaker 2>and I you know, Jagged has been alight like a

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<v Speaker 2>lan it like to go to New York and to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, work with the American creators beyond you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in Broadway like all of that, go to the chiny

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<v Speaker 2>Wards or do Space twenty two. And I was like,

0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:09.320
<v Speaker 2>I think I have to do Space twenty two. Like

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<v Speaker 2>that's where my heart was saying. I think that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I need to do right now. And anyway the stars

0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:18.320
<v Speaker 2>aligned somehow it or work together and I did both

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<v Speaker 2>but at the same time, which wasn't you know again,

0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:22.800
<v Speaker 2>let's not do that much? Wait at the same time

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<v Speaker 2>ever again watch this space? Are we talking to you?

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<v Speaker 2>In a few years you'll be like, and I did

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<v Speaker 2>it again.

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<v Speaker 1>You will be by that stage writing a musical and

0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:36.000
<v Speaker 1>staring at it or like stop a Rocketman version of

0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Natalie Bassingthwaite's life. Still no, but still, you know, I

0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.160
<v Speaker 1>think it's the right time, in the right place. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think for you, you know, this kind of a

0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:49.840
<v Speaker 1>job has manifested itself because it would be so hard

0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:53.400
<v Speaker 1>to find someone do what you do throughout the process

0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.600
<v Speaker 1>of this show, and you would need to be vulnerable,

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<v Speaker 1>you would need to be able to understand it, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the empathy that needs to come with surrounding yourself

0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.520
<v Speaker 1>with people who you know are a little damaged as well.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot to juggle. What sort of input did

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<v Speaker 1>you have though, Were you allowed to work with the

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<v Speaker 1>creators of the show and say what about this?

0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Like I didn't, you know? Like I just went in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Initially I was just host. I was like, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you want me to be? And I knew I wanted

0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.040
<v Speaker 2>to be a part of it because I was interested

0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:27.439
<v Speaker 2>in the psychology behind it and also tools for me

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone else I know and all the people that

0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.680
<v Speaker 2>are going through hard places. And it ended up being

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<v Speaker 2>me sharing me more. And I guess because I feel,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm quite an empathetic person, then I'm feeling

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<v Speaker 2>everyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it rewarding though, to know that you were adding

0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:48.120
<v Speaker 1>to such an important conversation that hasn't been anything much

0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:49.680
<v Speaker 1>like this on Telly before.

0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.800
<v Speaker 2>I still feel like I'm reaping the rewards, Like I've

0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:57.159
<v Speaker 2>spoken to so many people about this show, and the

0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:02.080
<v Speaker 2>overwhelming response has been so beautiful and moving because everyone

0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:05.040
<v Speaker 2>is either going through something or know someone who's going

0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:08.160
<v Speaker 2>through something. You know, like I had a friend commit

0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:13.560
<v Speaker 2>suicide and it was horrific, and I don't want to

0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.920
<v Speaker 2>see that happen to anyone anymore. It shouldn't be happening anymore.

0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:22.120
<v Speaker 2>It's not okay, and it is okay to not be okay,

0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.320
<v Speaker 2>but for people to take you know, that far, it's

0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:30.280
<v Speaker 2>it's we need more support and we need more facilitators

0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:32.320
<v Speaker 2>for one of a better word, Like there's one thing

0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.840
<v Speaker 2>that happened throughout the course of filming, was you know,

0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.120
<v Speaker 2>because it's a fly on the wall documentary, I think

0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:39.320
<v Speaker 2>you saw that Neil had a panic attack at one point,

0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:41.439
<v Speaker 2>and then I think, you know, Tracy was having a

0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.679
<v Speaker 2>panic attack, and they could get therapy in the moment, Like,

0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:47.040
<v Speaker 2>no one who can do that? You have to wait

0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.960
<v Speaker 2>six months to get in and then it's seven million dollars.

0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's too expensive. You don't get the help

0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.720
<v Speaker 2>when you need it. There's no like, where is the support?

0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:57.560
<v Speaker 2>So I'm hoping that the show and it was one

0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.720
<v Speaker 2>of them the biggest dreams of creator and who was like,

0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:02.960
<v Speaker 2>I really, you know, want to tell this story, but

0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.600
<v Speaker 2>I and find out this information, but I also want

0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:07.800
<v Speaker 2>to give people at home the tools to be able

0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:11.119
<v Speaker 2>to use like in the moment, and that doesn't cost

0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:15.040
<v Speaker 2>like the world. You don't have to wait for that therapist,

0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.520
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes you need the therapist and the medication and

0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:19.760
<v Speaker 2>the tool, you know, like it's not we're also not

0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:23.920
<v Speaker 2>going this is, you know, a prescription to not have medication.

0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:26.200
<v Speaker 2>It's like each to their own. I still take medication.

0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:28.439
<v Speaker 2>Tried to get off it didn't really work, but I

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<v Speaker 2>also still I don't just rely on that. I still

0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:34.000
<v Speaker 2>have to do all the things to be okay. I

0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:35.760
<v Speaker 2>have to do them otherwise I'm not okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think this sort of prescription of using creativity

0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:43.240
<v Speaker 1>is just a part of something that can help the

0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:46.160
<v Speaker 1>mechanics of getting to being better. And I think that's

0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:49.560
<v Speaker 1>the discovery of this show is seeing how that is

0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:53.280
<v Speaker 1>actually making an effect. And I think you know from you,

0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:55.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, like things have happened to you in your

0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.200
<v Speaker 1>life to give you the skill set to be exactly

0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:00.560
<v Speaker 1>where you are right now, and that that's why you're

0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:02.840
<v Speaker 1>on the show. And we hate to think of it

0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:05.320
<v Speaker 1>like that. I mean, I lost my father's suicide and

0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:09.439
<v Speaker 1>I and I spent so long that wow with that

0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:11.760
<v Speaker 1>trying to work out where to place it in my

0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:15.680
<v Speaker 1>life and now it's it's come back to be able

0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:18.040
<v Speaker 1>to help me with other people, you know. And so

0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:22.480
<v Speaker 1>while things can be really hard with wearing our scars,

0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:24.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, and we're able to help others, which I

0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:25.840
<v Speaker 1>think is important.

0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:28.960
<v Speaker 2>A lot of them, the participants said the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they're hoping to do something like this to

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<v Speaker 2>shine a light on it so that people. None of

0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:36.520
<v Speaker 2>us want anyone to feel alone. I feel like that

0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:39.159
<v Speaker 2>they don't have anyone. I'm really lucky. I've got a

0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:43.000
<v Speaker 2>great family, I've got you know, great friends. Not everyone

0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:46.320
<v Speaker 2>has that, you know, they don't have that. And what

0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:48.760
<v Speaker 2>do you do if you don't have that? Where do

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<v Speaker 2>you go to? So this program, you know, this experiment,

0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:57.480
<v Speaker 2>this experience will like I know it's going to change people.

0:22:57.520 --> 0:22:59.240
<v Speaker 2>I just know it in my heart. Like I said,

0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I was like, would I that? Or should have go

0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:02.680
<v Speaker 2>to New York to the Tonys and work with Diane

0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:04.439
<v Speaker 2>paul As. I was like, I think I want to

0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:09.920
<v Speaker 2>do Space twenty two? Like that's weird. What happened. She's

0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:13.520
<v Speaker 2>nearly forty seven, that's what happened. She's good, mature, but

0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:13.920
<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So with that American accent, can I just say it's

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<v Speaker 1>so stressed with any of my friends who are actors

0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:21.720
<v Speaker 1>doing accents and your accent and Jack a little pill

0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:25.800
<v Speaker 1>is so good, Like it's so good, it's so amaz anyway,

0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:28.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, unlike a lot of people, you've been killing

0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:31.000
<v Speaker 1>it for over two decades. You know, who are those

0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:34.560
<v Speaker 1>people you know that have been your biggest champions. Who's

0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:36.760
<v Speaker 1>there to help you along the way to do all

0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:36.919
<v Speaker 1>of that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, someone who's no longer with us was like he

0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:45.760
<v Speaker 2>was my manager, Mark Burne. He was with me from

0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:50.000
<v Speaker 2>the beginning for sixteen years, sixteen of those, you know,

0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:54.919
<v Speaker 2>almost two decades, and he was like a mentor, a brother.

0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:57.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if he wasn't gay, we'd probably be lovers,

0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:02.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, like he he just we just together. We

0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:05.680
<v Speaker 2>were like, oh like that, you know, and we could

0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:09.919
<v Speaker 2>make anything happen, and we were always excited and we

0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:15.080
<v Speaker 2>had each other's backs. And the next phase of my

0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:18.920
<v Speaker 2>falling apart was around his death because it was so

0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:22.560
<v Speaker 2>sudden and trying to come to terms with that and

0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:25.640
<v Speaker 2>then covering it up with other stuff and burying it

0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:29.280
<v Speaker 2>and then it needing to come out, and that's when

0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:32.200
<v Speaker 2>the breakdown happened. Right, So all that's that's that kind

0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:35.760
<v Speaker 2>of full picture story. So him, definitely. I mean I

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:38.720
<v Speaker 2>have the most beautiful friends and the most beautiful family.

0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Like my best friend Todd and I went to school

0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:44.080
<v Speaker 2>when we were five, Like we talk almost daily. You

0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:47.720
<v Speaker 2>know who I'm talking about. He is like my biggest fan.

0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:50.480
<v Speaker 2>He's been there from day dot. You know, he was

0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Peter Pan. I was Tinkerbell in that year five production

0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:57.000
<v Speaker 2>still to this day. And yeah, I mean, I have gorgeous,

0:24:57.040 --> 0:25:00.159
<v Speaker 2>gorgeous people in my life that I'm so grateful for

0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:01.480
<v Speaker 2>all the time.

0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:04.720
<v Speaker 1>I think it's I mean, it's the laws of attraction, Nat,

0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:06.879
<v Speaker 1>I think you've attracted people like that. I had the

0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:08.760
<v Speaker 1>privilege to hang out with you and Todd the other day,

0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's so funny because no matter what has happened,

0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:14.359
<v Speaker 1>you guys are still kind of very young at that

0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:18.639
<v Speaker 1>and it was fun, I.

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:22.639
<v Speaker 2>Know, so playful, like we are very childlike and hopefully

0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:25.320
<v Speaker 2>will always maintain that even when we're mellow fifteen.

0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Just don't tell people because you both don't really look

0:25:29.080 --> 0:25:31.720
<v Speaker 1>at anyway. I was going to say what has been

0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:34.120
<v Speaker 1>because I can think of what they would be, But

0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:36.800
<v Speaker 1>what is your biggest achievement? Like what do you think

0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:40.000
<v Speaker 1>has been a project you've worked on that is something

0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:42.240
<v Speaker 1>that still stays in your mind. You think, God, I

0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:43.560
<v Speaker 1>can't believe I managed to pull.

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:48.679
<v Speaker 2>That off so professionally. Then professionally, oh my god, I

0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:51.119
<v Speaker 2>don't know, like I just I mean one of the

0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:54.840
<v Speaker 2>first first job was getting Rent the Musical and there

0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:58.360
<v Speaker 2>were like six thousand people auditioned. Todd actually came back

0:25:58.359 --> 0:25:59.960
<v Speaker 2>from New York and said, I've just seen this show,

0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:02.600
<v Speaker 2>so you have to audition for Maureen. This is you.

0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:06.359
<v Speaker 2>And I went along with every you know, every man

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:08.879
<v Speaker 2>and his dog at the auditions. I lined up at

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:12.240
<v Speaker 2>can Sellers, went out there. I mean, I think the

0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 2>audition was about seven months and like in Australia and

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:17.560
<v Speaker 2>New Zealand, twenty two people got in it. Like that

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:20.400
<v Speaker 2>was pretty mind blowing because that was like the first thing.

0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:23.920
<v Speaker 2>But it also showcased to me that, you know, I

0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:26.239
<v Speaker 2>had auditioned for so many things before and I just

0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 2>got no, no, no, And I was like, what's wrong

0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:28.280
<v Speaker 2>with me?

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:28.520
<v Speaker 1>What?

0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 2>You know? But really I didn't put the effort in.

0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 2>I was just like I just wanted a job and

0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:34.760
<v Speaker 2>I thought it'd be cool to be in musical theater.

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Because they did all the things that I loved, singing, dancing,

0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:39.679
<v Speaker 2>and acting, but he didn't really love the shows. I

0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:41.960
<v Speaker 2>just wanted a job, and whereas this one, I was like,

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:45.440
<v Speaker 2>I love this show, Like I have to do this show.

0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 2>So there was like a whole new drive and a

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 2>direction of like I researched who the director was, who

0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 2>the producers were, what they were looking for, like who

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:56.199
<v Speaker 2>got passed, why they got cut everything. So it's it

0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:59.920
<v Speaker 2>really set me off on a new, you know, way,

0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:02.600
<v Speaker 2>or a new path to go. You don't just go.

0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean there's two trains of thought. You can just

0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:07.199
<v Speaker 2>go for everything and hope you get something, or go

0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:09.960
<v Speaker 2>for everything because you get better anyway. But I'm like,

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I only really want to go for it if I

0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:14.080
<v Speaker 2>really want it, or if I really want it, I

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:16.320
<v Speaker 2>mean I'll really go for it, you know, Like it's

0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:18.920
<v Speaker 2>just that's it for me. I'm like, give it everything

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:21.000
<v Speaker 2>you've got. But also if you don't get it, then

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:23.480
<v Speaker 2>you can't fall to pieces, because shit happens.

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine that there's ever been what's a job?

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:29.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're just about to work with work with Aslaman,

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:31.159
<v Speaker 1>You're like, what's the job that you've gone for, that

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 1>you've never that you didn't get, like come on, look,

0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:34.720
<v Speaker 1>oh my god.

0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:37.200
<v Speaker 2>So many. I remember actually when I was in LA

0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 2>and I was auditioning. It's just for a job for

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.680
<v Speaker 2>like CSI or something, And I went into the room

0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 2>and this is the funniest thing. I'm like, we're supposed

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:48.879
<v Speaker 2>to be actors anyway. There were like one hundred girls

0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:52.239
<v Speaker 2>that had long blonde hair that looked like me. I

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 2>was like, what is this? Like, we're not are we

0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:58.000
<v Speaker 2>cut out? So we barbied it. Look like what is this?

0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Aren't we actors? It's like, no, you can only come

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:03.080
<v Speaker 2>if you blonde, because we only want to blonde. I'm like,

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 2>I can dye my hair, i can wear a wig.

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Like I was just like, what the hell is this process?

0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeap didn't get that one. To be honest, didn't really

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:14.399
<v Speaker 2>mind because I was just so like, it was so

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 2>bizarre at how the whole thing worked. What didn't intrigue

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 2>me at all?

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:20.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, Jack a Little Pill, as we said, well I

0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 1>was talking about before. It's my favorite musical of alls

0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:25.400
<v Speaker 1>all time. Saw four times in Melbourne.

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Swallow What a jagged little pit?

0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 1>If you so swimming in your stomach wait on to

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Was that just say.

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 2>You love you?

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:52.480
<v Speaker 4>Cry culoru?

0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>What was it like that seeing the words of Alanis Morrissett.

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 1>What was Was it a surreal moment to breathe, you know,

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>life into the lyrics and ideas of someone that you

0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 1>had admired for so long.

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, one hundred percent. And also I felt he

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:18.719
<v Speaker 2>is my hippie lala world. But empathetically or spiritually, I

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 2>felt connected to people who have passed, people who are present,

0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 2>people who were in the crowd, like I feel when

0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm performing that material on that stage, not only connected

0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 2>to Alanas, but connected to humans in these moments of trauma,

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:39.840
<v Speaker 2>and it like it can be traumatic. At first, I

0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my gosh, I don't think I could

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 2>do this for very long. Like I would wake up

0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 2>feeling a little abused, like in like the most like

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:50.640
<v Speaker 2>genuinely I was like, oh my gosh, I feel you know,

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 2>overwhelmingly exhausted on a whole other world, on whole other level.

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 2>So and it took me a bit to kind of

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 2>get through not feeling so not taking what I was

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:05.360
<v Speaker 2>performing on stage home with me and being able to

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 2>go okay, you know, like I'm still exhausted when I

0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 2>do the show, Like I'm going back to do the

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 2>show in Sydney because I'm excited, but I can deal

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 2>with it better. That makes sense.

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:20.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm scared for you because I feel like I know

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 1>what you went through all the time to do that show,

0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 1>and then now you've had the break. It must be

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of a little bit sickening to know that you've

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:31.200
<v Speaker 1>been pulled back into it again. I mean obviously no,

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, did Alanis teach you anything herself? We were

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 1>able to get any advice? I mean, what have you

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:39.800
<v Speaker 1>been able to take away the most from this process

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:40.160
<v Speaker 1>so far?

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately not with Alanis. I wish, like, how incredible would

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 2>that be? Apparently she's touring and slowly this year though,

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 2>so that would be pretty wild. I've taken on what

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:51.960
<v Speaker 2>have I taken on with this role, Like I've taken

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 2>on human behavior and human connection and human trauma and

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:03.960
<v Speaker 2>hopefully it heals people. You know it also from people listening,

0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:05.880
<v Speaker 2>they're like, wow, this is intense. I never want to

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:08.719
<v Speaker 2>watch the show, but it is so incredibly moving at

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 2>the end, and you're like, oh, you know, like there's

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 2>this rush of like the responses that we were getting from, Like,

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 2>so this is what happens. Do you ever get this,

0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 2>like when you start and you can't talk. I feel

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 2>like I empathize with other people who can't speak up

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 2>about their truth. Oh she's so spiritual now she's lived

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:31.680
<v Speaker 2>at Byron. Anyway, so many people come backstage and tell

0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:34.719
<v Speaker 2>us like things that they've been through and that how

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:37.360
<v Speaker 2>much it's helped them by watching this show as well.

0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 2>And look, yes it's exhausting, but I think the rewards

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 2>outweigh the exhaustion. And I am going to go into

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.480
<v Speaker 2>the next part of the season not doing the full

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 2>eight shows because I have two kids, I live in Byron.

0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's not workable or manageable for me to

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:57.720
<v Speaker 2>do the whole thing. But I will be doing like

0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:02.440
<v Speaker 2>selected dates so that my body be so traumatized and

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 2>my family will be a little bit more together.

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, from the audience perspective, I reckon watching that show.

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I reckon. I sound so Australian, I reckon, Yeah, But

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 1>it was I saw it like the first when it opened,

0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 1>and then I watched it in other states of like

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:21.840
<v Speaker 1>having a few wines. It was weird. There was one

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 1>time that I watched it with no alcohol, and it

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 1>was the weirdest natural rush because you're right, we were

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 1>talking about it in a really hectic state. But the

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:32.760
<v Speaker 1>release that you got being a part of that audience,

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of reminds you of my live theater is

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>so important because somehow that show is so all inclusive, like.

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's the connection of everybody, you know, like

0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 2>everybody again a bit like Space twenty two. Everyone is connected.

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 2>You have someone you know who's been through blah blah

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:53.560
<v Speaker 2>blah my mom, you know, like you can just kick

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 2>going my mom, my dad, my sister, and my brother,

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 2>my auntie and my uncle's oh my friend, like you

0:32:57.520 --> 0:32:59.240
<v Speaker 2>just like that's why people saw it like it was

0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 2>so bizarre, were like this is like you. Four times

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 2>I had someone say I keep this my twelfth time.

0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:06.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what do you mean. We've only been here

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 2>for twelve weeks, You've come once a week. Like it

0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 2>just affected people in such a profound way. And yeah,

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 2>I actually I just feel I just felt like quite

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 2>joyous because I was like, Yay, this is like the

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.040
<v Speaker 2>new me. There's Jagged and there's s Wace twenty two

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, yeah I can support love and nurture.

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:29.840
<v Speaker 1>So two questions before you go, because I'll be murdered

0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 1>by the Natalie Bassingthwaite fandom, that's okay. Ask because I

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:37.560
<v Speaker 1>put something on social media so people like I want

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:39.280
<v Speaker 1>to know, is there ever going to Can we ever

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>expect to get more Rogue Traders music? Because I know

0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:44.640
<v Speaker 1>there's a huge demand for it.

0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 2>You're like, yes, just do it. So where do we

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:49.040
<v Speaker 2>performing at the Early Beach Music Festival at the end

0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 2>of the year, first gig in like three years. So

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 2>holy moly, watched this space that's going to be wild.

0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 2>James actually sent usd this kind of remix of one

0:33:58.240 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 2>of the tunes he did the other day and it

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 2>was really good. We were all all of us were vibing.

0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this year is pretty booked out. I don't

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 2>know if I have a spam minute and I can't

0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 2>get back to that falling in a ball on the

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:10.839
<v Speaker 2>floor in a crying heap. So maybe next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to know. And the other one is everyone now

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 1>knows that you're going to be a part of Neighbors

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<v Speaker 1>as it wraps up with such an iconic role. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>I just easy, Hoyland, what what a piece of work

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of work.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, show is such a pose. Yeah, I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you get a chance to see Kylie as Charlene

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<v Speaker 1>at all? Throughout your time working on the show.

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 2>They had to film their stuff because you got to

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:38.480
<v Speaker 2>get Kylie. When you can get Kylie, you got to

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:40.719
<v Speaker 2>get Jason when you can get Jason. Right, So I

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 2>remember when it was like it's definitely ending. I direct

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 2>message Jason. I'm like, are you going to get because

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 2>we did Chicago together, and I was like, are you

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 2>gonna go back on the show. I think I'm on

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:51.520
<v Speaker 2>the show. Are you going to do it? I think

0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:52.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do it. He's like, I really want

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:54.040
<v Speaker 2>to do it, but I don't know if I'm going

0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 2>to be in Australia, you know, And we're having all

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 2>these blah blah blah to each other. And then when

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 2>he did it, I was like, yeah, yeah. Now like

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:02.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm doing it too. But I haven't even

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:04.359
<v Speaker 2>got the last week's script, so I don't know what

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:06.880
<v Speaker 2>happens in the very end yet, right, but they've obviously

0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 2>pre recorded something, They're already done their bit. So I

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:16.400
<v Speaker 2>start on Monday. I'm very excited. I've got two weeks

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:18.359
<v Speaker 2>worth of filming and I still don't know what the

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 2>third week, what happens. I kind of roughly know, but

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:27.520
<v Speaker 2>like it is it is crahhzy, Like I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know how, Like how do they write this stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>So you've read the first two scripts two weeks of scripts? Yeah, okay, great.

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm imagining Ezzy Hoyland can go two ways because like

0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:40.080
<v Speaker 1>she could also she could be good and she could

0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:42.719
<v Speaker 1>be bad, but she could be like who is that

0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 1>in Melrow's place that bombed the apartment building? You know,

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:50.840
<v Speaker 1>like anything, it is possible, Anything is possible. Before you

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 1>go from the podcast something I ask everyone who joins

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 1>the show, what is something from behind the scenes that

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<v Speaker 1>we won't see from the making of Space twenty two

0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 1>that is like a story to share from your experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean this is probably not a fun story.

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Well okay, hold on, let me make it a fun story. Okay.

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 2>I was on Zoom on Sunday night with like most

0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:15.719
<v Speaker 2>of the participants and we were like laughing about what

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 2>they've been up to and like how they're feeling about

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 2>the launch. And Tracy, her daughter, she's from Newcastle, so

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm from the gong. You're from newe We're

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of the same. She had all the participants up

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 2>to her house and they were riding bikes and she

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 2>was telling us this. This is this is probably not

0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:34.239
<v Speaker 2>a fun story. Okay, I'm still gonna tell it because

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was okay. Anyway, she goes telling Stirr

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:40.680
<v Speaker 2>and they're riding bikes and she went back and she

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:42.200
<v Speaker 2>got her bike and she's trying to do something with

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:44.400
<v Speaker 2>the chain and then she does gives me the bird,

0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 2>right she goes and then look, and I thought she

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:49.840
<v Speaker 2>did one of those things where you know, they do

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:52.240
<v Speaker 2>this and they have one of those pretend finger things.

0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 2>She chopped her finger off when they were all together.

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:58.919
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you did not, that's pretend and she's like, no,

0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:03.560
<v Speaker 2>it got stuck in the bike chain. I'm like, wait

0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:06.799
<v Speaker 2>what you know? So not a fun story. But she

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:11.319
<v Speaker 2>was hysterically laughing on Sunday. I'm like, this is a joke, right,

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 2>it's a pretend one of those finger things, and she's

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:17.560
<v Speaker 2>like no, no, no, like it fell off. I tried

0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:19.320
<v Speaker 2>to cover it up because I didn't want Ray and

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Vivian to see it. And then next thing, you know,

0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:24.959
<v Speaker 2>Vivian sees the tip of my finger in the bike

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:27.760
<v Speaker 2>chain and then gets it out is kind of feeling

0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:31.320
<v Speaker 2>really nauseous. They take her to the hospital. They can't

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:34.200
<v Speaker 2>sew it back on. I mean, not a funny story,

0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:36.440
<v Speaker 2>but right now, it's hilarious. When she gives you the

0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:40.279
<v Speaker 2>bird and it's like this, you know, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>The full bird, it's not.

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:42.720
<v Speaker 2>A full bird.

0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:47.279
<v Speaker 1>Well i'm you know, I'm not the story that I

0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:49.520
<v Speaker 1>was expecting. They're not the story that I was expecting.

0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:53.360
<v Speaker 1>But it's still very funny. It is still very funny

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 1>to us, I know, because we've still got all of

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 1>our fingers. Na, the show is amazing. I hope Australia

0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:00.879
<v Speaker 1>gets on board and watches it. But there's so much

0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:04.080
<v Speaker 1>we can all take away from it, and I am

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:06.920
<v Speaker 1>so proud of you to have taken part in something

0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:09.440
<v Speaker 1>that is so visceral and can help so many people.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you, Thanks beautiful, So good to see your

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<v Speaker 2>shining face.