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Speaker 1: I thing like free more good.

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Speaker 3: we're back again, tuning in to bros and cons.

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Speaker 1: What is it like to be in jail as a

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Speaker 1: gang affiliate? So you can considering my.

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Speaker 3: Past and everything I was going through before I went

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Speaker 3: into jail, I got how do you say it?

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Speaker 1: I was in a.

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Speaker 3: Criminal group or whatever you want to call it. I

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Speaker 3: was associated with street thugs, criminals, whatever you want to

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Speaker 3: call us. And when you're going into jail, knowing that

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Speaker 3: in the back of your mind, and you're going to

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Speaker 3: different yards, you're getting tipped to different jails.

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Speaker 1: You know, you got that in.

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Speaker 3: The back of your head that you're affiliated with certain

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Speaker 3: gang groups, and.

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Speaker 1: The boys will hold you to it. Man, the boys

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Speaker 1: will hold you toward everyone you're meeting. Jail will hold

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Speaker 1: you to it. So being being to like representing something

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Speaker 1: has some big consequences. If you're not a better you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of boys will will test you and see,

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Speaker 1: I feel if that's what you're actually doing. And a

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Speaker 1: lot of screws will test that. A lot of screws

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Speaker 1: will find out who you who you stand for, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of them will test out and set you up.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people just throw up signs these days

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Speaker 1: and join any gang. They wan't thinking that, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you know, they got a strong brotherhood, loyalty, this and that. No,

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Speaker 1: when you get trucked in the jungle, in the jungle

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Speaker 1: by yourself, yeah, there by it was very hard sometimes.

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Speaker 1: The one thing that I didn't notice when I went

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Speaker 1: inside there, it was a lot. I learned a lot

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Speaker 1: because the tongueans. When you go inside there, the tongue

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Speaker 1: is they always stick together as a as a country.

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Speaker 1: They don't care like if you're gang infiliated. A lot

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Speaker 1: of the times they aren't lucky it when you're gang affiliated,

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Speaker 1: but they try to show you better ways, and they

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Speaker 1: they're like looking after each other as a nationality. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they put all gang affiliations to the side, and

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Speaker 1: so if you were repping back then it was sort

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Speaker 1: of the tongues just wanted to look after each each other.

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Speaker 1: They didn't want you going and fighting another crew. They

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Speaker 1: didn't want other people coming to fight you. That's what

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Speaker 1: I loved about, like bumping into the tongue is At

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Speaker 1: the same time, it's crazy because thinking about it now,

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Speaker 1: when I when I first walked into the jail, it

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Speaker 1: inmates half of the time because of the tongues were

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Speaker 1: in there and where the country is fucking they're strong,

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Speaker 1: but like they really love any other tongue. Then, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: nine times out of ten, tongues were running the yards.

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Speaker 1: Tongues most of the times Islanders in general, they were

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Speaker 1: running the yards. I'm not just talking about who's bringing

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Speaker 1: I'm also talking about who had their hands in every part,

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Speaker 1: much running everything. So and it's not everywhere I got

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Speaker 1: it's not rockets science. The Islanders were the biggest, they

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Speaker 1: lot of the times Islanders were running everything at the

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Speaker 1: big boys, the ones that were the ones that can't

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Speaker 1: problem with being gangfiliated. And no one understands that your

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Speaker 1: Yeah I like that. What about you? What was a

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Speaker 3: Sometimes most of the times you can just feel it,

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Speaker 3: But it's weird because they won't say anything straight away.

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Speaker 3: you know, but they're always showing me love. It was

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Speaker 3: mixed emotions. You didn't know what to do, you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, there's too just how I new there the

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Speaker 1: Back then, if for one cigarette, you're looking at one

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Speaker 1: I might as well say it. I might as well say,

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Speaker 1: They'll drop me of cigarettes and food, and I'll be like,

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Speaker 1: what's all this for. They'll be like, oh, like, are

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Speaker 1: you tonguing? Yeah, I'm tonguing. We got to pay our

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Speaker 1: dues for the tongue is you know. Yeah, So people

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Speaker 1: And I'm collecting I'm collecting smokes food. And that's just

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Speaker 1: the dominance that they had in it. Like nearly every

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Speaker 1: straight away, they sort of you know, being there stuff down.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't gang affiliated. I was representing my brotherhood, like

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Speaker 1: being real to myself, to who I was. And I

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Speaker 1: don't need to do this ship. You don't need to

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Speaker 1: be repping, you don't need to be straight, gang banging,

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Speaker 1: none of that stuff. And I always just remind them like, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be fake. That's that's my brothers.

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Speaker 1: I don't represent a community. I represent my brother's only. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, and like I got mad love for years,

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Speaker 1: non Jewan people that were looked up with this is

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Speaker 1: just me, Like, this is who I am, this is

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Speaker 1: what people know me for. That's it. So what what

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Speaker 1: other five top things? Not other? Yeah? What other five

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Speaker 3: Do in the if you're a new inmate in a

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Speaker 1: Back in the days. Back in the days, there was

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Speaker 1: two gangs in jail. There was the Blue people and

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Speaker 1: the Green people. How are you, bro? How you haw's

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Speaker 1: your day? Yeah? Something so simple like that. I see

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Speaker 1: a lot of new people, do they They'll walk past

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Speaker 1: the skuller they're like, how are your officer? How's your day?

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Speaker 1: And the other boys will turn around and the worst

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Speaker 1: thing about the worst thing about jail is Chinese whispers things.

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Speaker 1: Things might not look bad to you when you first

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Speaker 1: By the time we get to the third person, the

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Speaker 1: The story is getting married and every single bloke it

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Speaker 3: Your best lilf just not speaking to the screw at

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Speaker 3: or if it's if it's something like you know you

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Speaker 3: need something, you just yell at them from a distance, just.

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Speaker 1: To remember that. I've seen a lot of people like

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Speaker 1: how are you, officer? How do your day? Number two?

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Speaker 1: Number two one of the most important ones, especially for

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Speaker 1: young young offenders. Don't join any gangs in there. Don't

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Speaker 1: away and fall into the brotherhood and say yeah, I

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Speaker 1: got you my brother, Yeah, I love you mother, And

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Speaker 1: it's so easy to do that. A lot of you

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Speaker 1: why your brother's in there become your family, and so

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Speaker 1: when you think of them as a family, you end

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Speaker 1: up joining them. And it's a problem. It's a massive

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Speaker 1: problem that we've hadn't seen me because I.

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Speaker 3: Reckon it's it's all right being closer boys, but joining

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Speaker 3: gangs is probably like another you know, you're asking me

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Speaker 3: something else, like joining other.

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Speaker 1: Games, joining joining gangs, like we're getting in nowhere, and

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Speaker 1: ever have. And they don't fuck around in there, but

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Speaker 1: I can't. Just it's enough. Don't join any gangs. They

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Speaker 1: come with so much drummers. And I'm telling you now,

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Speaker 1: so much easier to say no being no person, being

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Speaker 1: no person. And I promise you God, they will love

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Speaker 1: you for here like you say no to them, they

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Speaker 1: other boys that say yes. And I to God, a

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Speaker 1: lot of them, like key, lose respect for people that

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Speaker 1: want to join. Gangs are hectic, but a lot of stuff,

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Speaker 3: Pulled into someone else's druma that's not in yours. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's one main thing that you needn't remember about joining

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Speaker 3: a gang. Everyone else's drummer is yours. Now, Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think that's what they seem to forget.

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Speaker 1: Just be yourself, that's it. Do the crime, do the time,

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Speaker 1: get home, see a family and change, like you know,

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Speaker 1: love me people like to the fullest.

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Speaker 3: This is probably the only room right now that's reminding

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Speaker 3: best to stay away from forward.

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Speaker 1: I hate talking about That's what I hate talking about jail.

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Speaker 1: I don't you know what I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why people go up to other people

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Speaker 3: saying that I'm into deal or I've been to dal.

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Speaker 1: I think that's world. People are saying, yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: how we made fire in jail. Fuck the fire in jail.

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Speaker 1: But use your liner. You know, you're on the outside,

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Speaker 1: live a better the people smaking this. But then again,

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Speaker 1: but they opened the paramount so people can walk around

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Speaker 3: It's so depressing bird just seeing like in it's like

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Speaker 3: it's mad, but like seeing inmates. You know how they

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Speaker 3: were making up how do you gun out of slippers

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Speaker 1: That's mad.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time it's depressing, bro, like why

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Speaker 3: Their cases in They were telling us why they shouldn't

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Speaker 1: Train, do I run guddio is doing. This guy was

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Speaker 1: You know, done my thing. That's one of the main

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Speaker 1: and that's that's how they make their money too, so

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Speaker 1: a lot of people get out. I don't even want

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Speaker 1: to get into death of that, but yeah a lot

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Speaker 1: of people get sup on the wrist. But it's your

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Speaker 1: reoffending that will call you the biggest headaches they will

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Speaker 1: that's why we'll put you in jail. That's you telling

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Speaker 1: the judge that fuck you, I can do this again.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes it looks like they sort of let people

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Speaker 1: recent people fall victim to it.

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Speaker 3: No, I think that's better for us. I got a haircut,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I just remember he's calling me. Might as

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Speaker 3: well do a or wrap up outro?

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Speaker 1: Can we cut for a second. Thank you everyone for

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Speaker 1: tuning in again. We're going to be frequently.

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Speaker 3: Doing podcasts, talk shows, probably twice twice a month or

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Speaker 3: is it twice a month or yeah, twice or three times?

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Speaker 1: And how much you guys can get those numbers up.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you follow, like subscribe. Yeah, I actually following

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Speaker 1: all the socials because we're very active on social media,

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Speaker 1: like TikTok and the Instagram actually followed that. Does anyone

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Speaker 3: We know people still use Facebook. Well, I think it's

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Speaker 3: old the older people, like the people from the Bibo

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Speaker 3: Facebook center. I thought Facebook was like Biba now. But yeah, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube,

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Speaker 3: we'll figure it out anyways.

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Speaker 1: But this is you're listening to malicam here with Ron Goddy.

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Speaker 1: We're better than artists. We spent many years in the jail.

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Speaker 1: In this podcast, we're going to share the ropes. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna catch up with Sydney and Australia. Let's get I

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Speaker 1: sing like free more good. I pull the coup and

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Speaker 1: lose myself.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to do nobody else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to have a know any