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Speaker 1: Joining me live in the studio is the Chief Minister,

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Speaker 1: Michael Gunner.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, goody, how you going?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Really well now, Chief Minister, there had been some

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Speaker 1: concern that well you may not have the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: meet with the Prime Minister on Friday after had issues

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Speaker 1: with his plane. You got there though, That meeting did

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Speaker 1: happen and it was determined that a number of stranded

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Speaker 1: Aussies would fly into and to quarantine at the Howard

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Speaker 1: Springs facility. How many Aussies are we talking because there's

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Speaker 1: been a few conflicting reports to that.

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Speaker 2: All happened in the air.

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Speaker 3: I landed to a flurry of text message and a

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Speaker 3: TV camera waiting for me. But thankfully one of the

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Speaker 3: messages I've got was from the Prime Minister saying I

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Speaker 3: can't make it to National Cabinet but dartmorrow.

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Speaker 2: Michael, still my attention to get to Sitney and meet

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Speaker 2: with you. So that was great, very.

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Speaker 3: Nice, pretty nice Scott to provide that reassurance. So the

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Speaker 3: deal with the Australian government is for five hundred spaces

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Speaker 3: to be available every fortnight, so on thousand a month,

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Speaker 3: and with the aim being five thousand upfront and the

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Speaker 3: initial deal. The Australian government is organizing the Australians in

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Speaker 3: different parts. That's actually, as you can imagine, quite complicated exercise.

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Speaker 3: So not everyone's just sitting around in London or a

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Speaker 3: South Africa or whever in the one spot. They've got

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Speaker 3: to make sure they identify them, they get them together

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Speaker 3: and they get them on the plane. That's the work

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Speaker 3: of the Australian government talking to the Prime Minister. Obviously

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Speaker 3: they've made a lot of offers out to people and

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Speaker 3: those peop needed to say yes, I know now these

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Speaker 3: are people who who wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Come home, who said that they're vulnerable.

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Speaker 3: Is trade governments agreed that they're vulnerable, and they're being

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Speaker 3: contests where they actually make themselves available and get on

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Speaker 3: that plane. So if the numbers aren't at five hundred,

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Speaker 3: it's not because of massive effort on behalf of the

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Speaker 3: Australian government, because of some people who've been given the

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Speaker 3: letter of offer or whatever have just said they can't

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Speaker 3: make it on that first flight.

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Speaker 1: So but so potentially to begin with, it'll be five

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Speaker 1: but that could continue on for longer if required.

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Australian Government's very keen and obviously we'd be happy to

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Speaker 3: do this too as Victoria comes off. We've got a

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Speaker 3: date for regional Victoria, but not a date for Melbourne.

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Speaker 3: Obviously at this stage, both Victoria comes off, the PM's

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Speaker 3: very keen to expand what we're doing on site to

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Speaker 3: So essentially become that portal in for vulnerable Australians, high

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Speaker 1: And so where exactly are they going to be coming from?

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Speaker 1: Is it London and Delhi? Is it anywhere else?

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Speaker 3: At this point so it looks like it's going to

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Speaker 2: They will settle down.

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Speaker 3: Obviously as istraie Gunment organizes those flights, they're inside of that.

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Speaker 2: They're in charge of that bit.

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Speaker 3: We're in charge of working with them about caring for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of people are still concerned about

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Speaker 3: I can go through a few things there. I think

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Speaker 3: we've been treating it as we would any other emergency,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's right. We do deal with these crises

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Speaker 1: fairly often, but so is the situation that the police

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Speaker 3: So the Australian government's just in a review of all

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Speaker 3: the quarantine arrangements in all different states by a lady

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Speaker 3: Howard Springs facility. The Austrain guns now gone around given

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Speaker 3: best in class with how we run our facility. So

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Speaker 3: there's a reason why the Australian Government has chosen Howard

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Speaker 3: and the austrain Government essentially given us a huge tick

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Speaker 3: and it is you know, no disrespect to Victoria that

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Speaker 3: they're going through very public, very public things there at

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Speaker 1: Here, so you won't be doing things the same as Victoria.

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Speaker 1: Police will be managing the security out of how It Springs.

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Speaker 3: That does include having private security there, but there's a

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Speaker 1: So there is private running things.

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Speaker 3: We've always had privacy not running things present, We've always

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Speaker 3: I think complacency is always a problem here. We've never

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Speaker 3: And you've got to keep learning. Your lessons have called insurance.

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Speaker 1: Look, I guess the you know, just hearing private security

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Speaker 1: They'll think, goodness, me, does this mean that the private

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Speaker 3: I understand based off obviously what's happening with Victoria and

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Speaker 3: The Church of Controller leads this and that's every aspect

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Speaker 1: Now I know that just over a week ago that

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Speaker 3: it's a deliberate setup shop for social media. Police obviously

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Speaker 3: looked at it. It did not interfere with the safety

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Speaker 3: of territoriums. So fourteen days is forteen days. Let's be clear.

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Speaker 2: And police did that investigative work.

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Speaker 1: So no charges or fines for that incident.

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Speaker 3: Will it happen again, Well, I don't believe it will,

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Speaker 3: but when people are in quarantine for fourteen days, they

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Speaker 2: We talk to stuff about how.

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Speaker 3: And so I've talked to the customers, Yeah, people in quarantine, customers,

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Speaker 1: Behave now has everyone paid up until this point, I

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Speaker 2: So I think this is no, one's not paid.

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Speaker 3: If it makes sense, The bills are going out and

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Speaker 3: money is coming back slowly. I think the important thing

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Speaker 3: People aren't dodging the system. They're not hiding back of

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Speaker 3: people choosing to spend fourteen days essentially not at their

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Speaker 2: So it's working. The money's coming back in slowly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that's not a concern for you at this point.

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Speaker 1: And just to make it really clear for people out there,

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Speaker 1: Are the people that we are repatriating back here to

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely so, Well I talked with the Prime Minister about

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Speaker 3: I don't put all the pressure in Australian government right

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Speaker 2: But we are obviously.

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Speaker 3: Very appreciative of the fact the Australian government is currently

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Speaker 3: I'd love to work with Australian government going forward. I'm

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Speaker 1: I just think it's really important that we sort of

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Speaker 1: so that then obviously they can sort out their resourcing.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I one hundred percent, and I think the best

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's a necessary way for us to

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Speaker 3: I just think all of us, whether you're wearing a

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Speaker 1: Do you think the Senator is stirring a bit of

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Speaker 3: I think she likes a good argument. But for me,

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Speaker 1: Now. One of the other things that I do want

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Speaker 3: So that is a shocking and outrageous incident. I've gotta

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Speaker 3: This week we had an accelerated recruit squad of sixteen,

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Speaker 3: Which I think it's important we going to look at

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Are you worried about the impact that this is

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you should always feel safe. I think they're people

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Speaker 3: I take that seriously.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that we see is our responsibility,

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Speaker 3: That's absolutely our job. And so you know what we're

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Speaker 1: All right, Chief Minister, One last thing I do want

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Speaker 1: Do you support the development of the RSL on the esperanat.

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Speaker 3: I personally, well personally professionally as a government, we support

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Speaker 3: a case forward. That's absolutely their right to do that.

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Speaker 3: They can put that case forward and there's independent processes

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Speaker 3: to determine the.

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Speaker 2: Viability of that case.

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Speaker 3: Council in the past, under their mass Plan and the

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Speaker 3: City Deal have indicated that space for parkland. Now obviously

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Speaker 3: the Council can change their mind on these things. That's

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Speaker 3: a question for the council. But personally, I think for

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Speaker 3: our planning purposes that's best as green space. And there

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Speaker 3: are plenty of other great spots I reckon where the

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Speaker 3: RSL could go. But RSL has the right to put

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Speaker 3: the case to go that site.

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Speaker 1: What about when it comes to development more generally not

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Speaker 1: buildings or anything on the espanard, but you know, a

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Speaker 1: cafe or anything else. Do you think that should happen.

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Speaker 3: I'm not opposed to green space being activated with Espanad

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Speaker 3: or other spots, but I think there's a huge opportunity

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Speaker 3: going begging right now along the Esplanade. So before we

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Speaker 3: get into how do we how do we not activate

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Speaker 3: that green space? Look at all the commercial real estate

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Speaker 3: along the Esplanard that's already there, most of its hotels,

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Speaker 3: char shows I was Club Dalen now sorry, shows that

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Speaker 3: a restaurant on that side works, But we're not seeing

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Speaker 3: any of those other retail stage commercial ships ever. Take

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Speaker 3: that up that advantage. I'd love to see bars and

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Speaker 3: restaurants down the esplanade. And when you see that side

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Speaker 3: of the road activated where there is genuinely the opportunity

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Speaker 3: to do that, how do you then work that into

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Speaker 3: the green space and across what has across the road?

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Speaker 3: How does council look at traffic management through there to

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Speaker 3: make it those two areas work well together. I think

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Speaker 3: at the moment, we've got a lot of real estate

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Speaker 3: along there that is designed for this purpose, not being

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Speaker 3: used for this purpose.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what about then, I mean the Council's obviously looking

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Speaker 1: at and they've put forward some proposals to obviously develop

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Speaker 1: the Lamarou baths or to revent the Lamarou baths. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that's something like that? I mean, is that

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Speaker 1: what we should be doing down there? And do you

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Speaker 1: think that realistically then when we talk about Larakia people

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Speaker 1: that that should all be incorporated as part of that story.

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Speaker 3: I think Lamary baths are good. I've got nothing wrong

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Speaker 3: with the Lamarue barns. I think we need to develop

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Speaker 3: the waterfront area further more first probably then move around

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Speaker 3: into the Lamaru barns. So it might be a sequential thing.

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Speaker 3: So what do we need to do at the waterfront

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Speaker 3: first to really get that space working? Always worry about

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Speaker 3: when you stretch things, do you know, do you you

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Speaker 3: do break the thread that's there? But not post Lamari

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Speaker 3: baths at all. I could be wrong about the sequencing

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Speaker 3: of things, right, So you've got to you gotta have

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Speaker 3: other conversations around this. But I think the waterfront can

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Speaker 3: still have further investment in it that will make it

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Speaker 3: a better, more vibrant tourist attraction, which will then build

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Speaker 3: an even stronger case for Lamaruy baths afterwards.

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Speaker 2: As our way look at it.

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Speaker 1: Well, Chief Minister Michael Gunner, we better leave it there.

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Speaker 1: Good to catch up with you this morning. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you,