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Speaker 2: It is just after ten twenty and as we know,

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Speaker 2: the countdown is well and truly onto that vaccine mandate

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Speaker 2: from midnight tonight. So we know for some businesses obviously

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Speaker 2: that are operating tomorrow, they'll have a fair idea as

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Speaker 2: But for some of our other industries, particularly those in education,

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Speaker 2: we probably won't have a really clear idea, is my guess,

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Speaker 2: until Monday morning when schools go back. But joining us

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Speaker 2: on the line right now is the head of the

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Speaker 2: Education Union here in the Northern Territory, Javis Ryan. Good

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Speaker 2: morning to you, Javis.

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Speaker 1: Good to be with you, Katie.

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Speaker 2: Javis. Do we have much of an idea how things

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Speaker 2: are tracking when it comes to our schools and those

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Speaker 2: support staff for Monday morning.

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Speaker 1: No, from where we're sitting, it's just it's anecdotal, little

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Speaker 1: stories here and there. The Department, I think has a

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Speaker 1: much clearer idea, but it seems that the NT government

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Speaker 1: line is they're deliberately being very vague about the numbers.

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Speaker 1: So we know within education that they're able to capture

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Speaker 1: that data through their HR system and so as of

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Speaker 1: today they'll have a clear idea of who is either

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Speaker 1: not vaccinated or has not provided evidence of that, and

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Speaker 1: those employees will have been written to, I believe at

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Speaker 1: least twice by the chief executive officer and look right

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Speaker 1: up until the deadline. I mean, in the case of

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Speaker 1: and get their first dose than up on Monday. So

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Speaker 1: what you said in your instroduction I think is right

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Speaker 1: is that it won't be until Monday that there'll be

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Speaker 1: a sense really of when the dust set a little bit,

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Speaker 1: who will be there and who won't. But from what

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Speaker 1: we found, there's been only a really small number of

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Speaker 1: people who have been absolutely Adam and I definitely will

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Speaker 1: not be getting the job. The time will tell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I've had a few people message in

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Speaker 2: and say that they're aware of schools in different locations

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Speaker 2: where some stuff are not going to get vaccinated. But

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Speaker 2: as you said, there from the get go, you know,

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Speaker 2: I guess until we actually have that data, we're really

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Speaker 2: not going to know. And it is a bit of

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Speaker 2: his say at this point in time, it.

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Speaker 1: Is and I think because the government has decided the

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Speaker 1: mandate is a good thing, they don't want to acknowledge

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Speaker 1: that there will be knock on effects that cause problems.

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Speaker 1: And what in our case what will happen is there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of qualified teachers who work in corporate

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Speaker 1: Monday to the patch up. Some of those hold So

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Speaker 1: the message I exept will get is no disruption to

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Speaker 1: student learning, and no one wants to see that. But

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Speaker 1: there is a question about the impact this will have,

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Speaker 1: not just now but into the future. And as you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not just speaching on the paper about police that nurses,

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Speaker 1: as firefighters, the whole groups of people. When you add

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Speaker 1: all of those things up, it's about the territory being

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Speaker 1: able to make sure we've got enough workers in all

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Speaker 1: of our key industries. And you know, we're certainly hoping

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Speaker 1: people make that decision. Yeah, it's obviously been contentious for

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Speaker 2: And Javis, I mean for all of the parents out

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Speaker 2: there listening this morning. I guess there's no matter what

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Speaker 2: the schools and the Education Department, I would presume, are

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Speaker 2: going to try to make things as smooth as possible.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to ensuring that our children continue to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt about that, Katie,

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Speaker 1: because really, in the even larger schools in daw And

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Speaker 1: They'll be a clearer idea. And there are some people

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Speaker 1: And I think the department has taken a reasonably pragmatic

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Speaker 1: what is clear is as of Monday, without that first issue,

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Speaker 2: As you've spoken before about the impacts in some of

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a much bigger unknown because there's this secondary

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Speaker 1: they have been doing it manually and again will they

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Speaker 1: will have pretty good numbers by today, And again I

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Speaker 1: going to address that. But from Monday. The other issue

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Speaker 2: Really, So despite that announcement being made earlier in the week,

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Speaker 2: there's been no real interaction from the government with those communities, well.

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Speaker 1: Not with anyone to my knowledge. I rang the Minister's

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Speaker 1: questions I'm getting, you know, someone lives an hour outside

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Speaker 1: would indicate if they go into Catherine now for groceries

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Speaker 1: or for any purpose, that they're in a Lovax community.

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Speaker 1: On return to community, they will need to wear a

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Speaker 1: mask at all times for at least seven days, and

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Speaker 1: as of next Friday, will also need to undergo rapid

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Speaker 1: antigen test. So there's all sorts of questions about how

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Speaker 1: and no detail whatsoever from from government on that and

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Speaker 1: that comes into force in three days.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Well, Jarvis Ryan, I reckon you and I might

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Speaker 2: be talking again early next week. By the sounds of it.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate you coming on the show this morning

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Speaker 2: and giving us a bit of detail.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the time. Thanks can thank you,