WEBVTT - TDA interviews the Prime Minister 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.640 Already and this is this is the Daily This is 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:06.840 the Daily OS. Oh, now it makes sense. 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:16.760 Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday, 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:17.880 the third of February. 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:19.000 I'm Sam, I'm Billy. 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:23.000 Sometime before mid May, every Australian over eighteen is going 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:26.079 to walk into a polling booth and cast their ballot. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:29.360 As the road to the twenty twenty five election becomes shorter, 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:34.120 the political, social, and economic conversations about the decisions in 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.159 front of us are becoming more frequent. On today's episode, 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:40.920 we sit down with the Prime Minister of Australia, Anthony Alberenezi. 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:43.320 He's been the leader of the country for the past 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.760 three years. During that time, talking points in Australia have 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:49.760 been focused on the cost of living crisis, the failed 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.199 referendum to introduce a First Nation's voice to Parliament, and 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:57.120 a worsening gender based violence situation. Topics that were high 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:00.440 on the priority list last election, like climate or a 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:04.160 national Anti corruption Commission, have faded to the background. Australia 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:07.160 in twenty twenty five is a very different country so 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.720 the one that voted him into office in twenty twenty two. 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.240 So before the Prime Minister begins on his campaign trail. 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.319 He came to the Dalios's offices last week for a 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:22.399 sit down interview. Here's that chat. Prime Minister, thank you 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:23.560 for joining the Daily Os. 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:24.800 Wonderful to be here. 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:28.000 I want to start really broad in your eyes, what 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.760 is the biggest issue facing young people today? 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:36.520 Intergenerational equity, the feeling that young people have that they're 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:40.240 not getting a fair crack at what my generation and 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:45.160 previous generations had. It is more difficult today to buy 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:48.440 a home. There are pressures also, I think on young 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:54.280 people due to the influence of new technology, the changing 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.480 nature of work that has come with that. 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.720 So let's start with the cost of living. Most of 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:03.280 our audience are renters. If you're re elected, what will 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.400 your government do to support renters? 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.760 Well, the key, of course is supply is a way 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:14.280 of producing lower costs, whether it be for home purchase 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:20.000 or for people in rental properties. We have increased rental 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.880 assistance by forty five percent in just our last two budgets. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.320 Now not everyone gets rental assistance, but the most vulnerable do. 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:33.080 There's no short term fix. You can't fix what is 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.799 a long term issue overnight. 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.079 I want to talk more about supplies. So Labor has 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.960 a goal to build one point two million homes by 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.560 mid twenty twenty nine. New analysis last week showed we 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:49.760 are already behind on that target. Why are we already behind. 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.560 Because of some of the wold ups that are therein 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:58.440 state and local government planning. There are a range of 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:00.000 issues that need to be dealt with. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.880 Because many of those hold ups aren't new. They're not 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:03.720 new issues. 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:07.240 Oh they aren't. They aren't at all. But we had 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:12.520 our legislation was only passed. For example, our legislation on 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:16.800 Bill to Rent that provides private sector incentives for rental 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.480 properties to be built, that was only passed in December. 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.240 I would have spoken to you prior to the last 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:26.800 election here about our Housing Australia Future Fund. It took 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.320 us two years to get that legislation through and that 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:31.680 has meant there's a delay. 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:36.200 Can we expect any further announcements, specifically about the cost 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:39.480 of living for young people before the next election. Yes, 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:41.800 you can, and you are going to tell us it now. 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.280 I'm not going to make announcements now, but I will 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.040 say that one of the things that we've done is 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.960 not just talk about what we have done. This term, 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.800 but have already foreshadowed our action in the second term. 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.520 So we'll cut student debt by a further twenty percent 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.920 because we want to address these issues. We think that 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:06.960 it is unfair and will also change where it kicks 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:11.200 in and the amount that has to be paid back 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:13.960 as a measure as well. 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:18.240 Let's move to First Nations issues. Since the failed referendum, 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.640 what has your government done to better the lives or 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.440 First Nations people in this country. 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.680 One of the things we've done is to concentrate on 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:31.520 economic opportunity, so we're replacing the old work for the 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:36.839 doll scheme basically that didn't really have any real jobs 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:42.520 and people weren't participating it in training and skills. We 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:48.799 have announced record funding for housing in remote communities as well. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:52.080 We understand that that is a real priority. If you've 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.839 got housing over crowding, then you have health and education 0:04:56.000 --> 0:05:00.479 issues and that has been an important an ant with 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:04.720 billions of dollars placed in there and as well in 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:11.600 health dialysis machines becoming available. Increased support for health in 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:14.359 Indigenous communities is really important. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:16.599 If we look at the Close the Gap targets, there's 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.560 nineteen of them and only five are on track and 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:23.520 four have in fact worsened. So clearly that's not enough. 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.360 We know that that's the case. We know that governments 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:31.200 of all persuasions haven't done enough. That's why First Nations 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.320 people gathered at Eularu in twenty seventeen and said we 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:39.479 need to try something different. Now the government, my government 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:43.960 put our shoulder to the wheel and offered Australians the 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:49.000 choice through a referendum. Now Australians didn't vote for that. 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:52.599 We have to respect that. You have to respect democratic outcomes. 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.200 So what I did was go to the Garma Festival 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:02.160 last year and outline a strategy for economic empowerment. 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:06.720 The Productivity Commission when reporting about the closing the Gap 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:11.000 targets last year, they found quote, without fundamental change, the 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.920 agreement will fail and the gap will remain. So I 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.480 guess my question is what is your fundamental change? 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.359 Well, what we are trying to do. We did try 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:29.720 to that structure economic empowerment and engaging with Indigenous communities directly. 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:36.720 There are great successes. If you look at the community 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:42.080 around around where the Gama Festival is held, that's an 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:47.200 example of education empowerment. There's a range of measures on education, 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:55.560 that they have language, cultural respect, they have health programs, 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:59.839 employment programs. They've been quite successful. 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.159 I think the gap targets would suggest that they haven't. 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.320 There are examples. What we shouldn't do is say there 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:10.960 aren't success stories anywhere in Australia, because there are. 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.720 But I guess the idea of policy right is to 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.040 focus on the issues that need improvement. 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:21.040 Oh exactly, And that is precisely what we are doing. 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:26.120 And the key to that is economic empowerment is ensuring 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:31.840 that the opportunities which many Australians would take for granted, 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:36.120 which aren't available to First Nations people, are spread. You 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:42.920 won't solve this overnight, but you will have respectful conversations 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:48.640 to do things with Indigenous people rather than for them. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:52.520 Let's turn to domestic violence. Last year there were seventy 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.160 eight women killed by gender based violence in Australia. The 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.840 government's main policy in this area is a National Plan. 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.440 For those who aren'tn't familiar with the National Plan, do 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.240 you want to just explain what it is? 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:08.280 Well? The National Plan is multifaceted. It's about respect and 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:14.160 education is one element, but it's also about ensuring that 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:20.680 women and children have places to go, So it's about 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:27.960 ensuring that social housing or emergency housing is available. Part 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.440 of the Housing Australia Future Fund that was held up 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:35.839 for a while is about making sure that that can occur. 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.360 So there's a proportion of that housing reserved for women 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.240 and children escaping domestic balace. 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.120 And it's not new. We've had a national plan before 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:46.439 the last one failed, and then since this plan came 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.160 into effect in twenty twenty two, the number of women 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.320 killed by an intimate partner has increased each year in 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.400 twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four. So are these 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.560 plans working well? 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.560 Quite clearly, the statistics tell us that we need to 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:05.480 do much better. That this is completely unacceptable. So too 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:11.200 many examples where men have been released on bail having 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:17.000 committed violent offenses against their partner and gone on to 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:22.040 then commit murder, and those issues need to be dealt 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:25.920 with as well their state and territory laws, and we 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:30.000 are seeing changes across a range of jurisdictions. This requires 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.960 a whole of society response because it is so prevalent, 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:41.040 and it requires people to speak up about all of 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:41.840 these issues. 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.800 I guess I'm wondering it has got worse each year 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.760 since this plan has come into effect. At what point 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:51.559 do you concede that these national plans aren't working. 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:53.800 Well, what you need to do is to not just 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:57.880 throw your arms up and say they're not working. I'm 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:00.240 not suggesting you're doing that. Of course you need two 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.080 but will more be done? Yeah, we are doing more. 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:06.120 That's not in the national plan. 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:11.000 Yes, So the increased legal assistance has happened since twenty 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:11.920 twenty two. 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:13.800 But since then the has got work. 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:18.720 The changes, Well, you put in five hundred million dollars 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:23.480 over a period of time, that doesn't You don't make 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:27.000 a decision and then it's in place that day. What 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:30.480 we have done, what we have done since the plan 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:36.079 is there is we've changed the legal assistance. In twenty 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.360 twenty two, we didn't have the Housing Austray Future Fund 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:44.960 with the funding for emergency housing that has now passed 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:49.199 and that is now flowing to states and territories. So 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:53.000 all of these measures, the work is never done. What 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:59.760 one death is one too many, let alone the rise 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:01.000 that we have soon. 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:04.080 I want to move on to mental health. If the 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:08.320 Coalition is elected, they have promised to reinstate the twenty 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:12.320 subsidized mental health sessions. Why is a labor government not 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:13.280 in support. 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.880 Of this, because if you look at the statistics, what 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.240 was happening was that some people were getting twenty and 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.000 a whole lot of people were missing out on any 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:27.640 at all. It was not effective. We have put record 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:34.120 funding into mental health. We're putting additional funding into increased training, 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:39.080 so we get more mental health professionals involved. What we 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:44.839 need is more people to be able to provide those services. 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:51.920 Otherwise it can lead to less people getting serviced than 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:53.040 would occur otherwise. 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.080 But you also need people to be able to pay 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:58.840 for the services. That absolutely was analysis that showed that. 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.240 But there was also resent that showed that people are 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.320 delaying seeking help because of the cost of living. 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:07.520 And so I guess if the solution at least well, 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:10.600 what was happening was that people weren't getting the ten. 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:14.079 But people who were in desperate need are now delaying 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.080 getting more help because they don't have access to the 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:17.760 extra twenty. 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.360 But my question is some people were getting none. Is 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.720 the point. Some people were getting twenty and some people 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:25.720 were getting none. That was the problem. 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.680 So guess my question is if the solution isn't to 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.160 expand subsidized mental health sessions. Let's say the solution is 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:32.520 not that. 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:37.080 What is your solution, Well, the solution is to make 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:42.000 sure that people can get access to subsidized mental health sessions. 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:43.920 And you're saying you're not going to do that through 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:47.720 helping people pay for it, but through having more people 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:49.200 be able to deliver the service. 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:54.160 Well, that's a precondition. That's a precondition for it. And 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:59.120 we took advice from the experts and the statistics that 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.559 showed that people were simply missing out. 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.280 I want to shift to gambling. Australians spend and lose 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.160 more to gambling than people in any other country in 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.520 the world. A committee chaired by a former Labor MP 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:16.920 recommended a total ban on gambling ads. That hasn't happened. 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:17.560 Why not. 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:25.480 We have taken more action on problem gambling than any 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:31.040 government since Federation in history. So have introduced betstop which 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:35.840 has helped people substantially, where banned the use of credit 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:39.559 cards online as well, which was a big issue of 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:44.880 sport gambling. There's more to do, but in this term 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.720 we have done more, as I've said, than any government 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:51.320 in history previously. 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.839 But those measures haven't changed the fact that again Australians 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.120 spend and lose more to gambling than people in any 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:58.640 other country in the world. That hasn't changed. 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:02.240 Yes, and there are no ads for poker machine gambling, 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:07.439 which is overwhelmingly overwhelmingly where losses are. So the link 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:12.560 between the two things is not a simple one. As 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:16.080 I said, we have done a range of measures in place. 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.400 We except that there's more to do and we will 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:18.920 do more. 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.600 So just to be really clear, we'll labor go to 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:25.080 the next election with nothing on gambling ads. 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.840 Specifically, No, we will go to the next election with 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:29.520 the comprehensive. 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:30.760 Policy, but on gambling ads. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.120 On gambling well, which gambling ads. 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.760 So there was a problem. There was legislation that was 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:40.280 shelved in November, right, No, on gambling ads. No, there 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.720 was legislation on gambling ADS or draft legislation that was 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.400 in discussion. So you've never considered banning gambling as No. 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.600 We're considering a range of measures, but there hasn't been legislation. 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:55.640 What we are doing as consulting on a range of measures. 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.840 What more can we do to address problem gambling? As 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:03.280 I said, we've done more than any government in history 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.560 since federation. We accept that there's more to do, and 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:07.440 we will do more. 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.200 Let's move to climate change, and I want to focus 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.880 on the Paris Agreement. So the US has recently withdrawn 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.880 from the Paris Agreement. Twenty twenty four was the first 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.360 year that global temperatures surpass one point five degrees above 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:24.600 pre industrial levels, and even if Australia reaches our climate targets, 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.440 it still wouldn't be enough to limit global warming to 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.920 one point five degrees. So do you still believe that 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:32.880 the Paris Agreement is achievable? 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:37.400 I certainly do. And what's more, we've got a responsibility 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:43.640 to achieve it. Our objective should be to lower emissions 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:48.000 as much as possible. Of course, it's the case that 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:53.960 any individual nation state acting will not achieve an outcome 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:57.240 by itself. Because there's a global issue, it requires a 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:03.520 global response. But if we don't act, then what legitimacy 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:08.640 will we have in arguing that other countries, particularly developing countries, 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:09.680 should act. 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.720 I want to briefly touch on TikTok. Would you consider 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:16.880 a ban on TikTok like we saw temporarily in the US. No, 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.480 I'm interested in that because TikTok is banned on government 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:25.400 devices in Australia. Is there a risk that the Chinese 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:28.800 government is surveiling Australians through the TikTok app? 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:33.400 Well, the security agencies have put in place. 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:40.400 Measures because there is a risk of the Chinese government Australians. 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:47.120 Well, there is, of course, because it is owned with 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:51.760 links to the Chinese government because of their domestic polishy 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:57.000 in the control that Chinese government has over Chinese companies 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:02.640 to be able to direct them to provide information. That 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.200 is the concern that people have. 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.600 Let's turn to the conflict in the Middle East. Research 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.800 cited by the UN earlier this month estimates that ninety 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.040 two percent of housing units in Gaza have been destroyed 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:19.000 or damaged. When the ceasefire was first announced, you were 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:22.120 asked whether Australia would have a role in rebuilding Gaza 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.639 and you said it was too soon to answer before 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:28.680 the agreement took effect. So I'm interested in your answer today. 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:32.440 Will Australia pay a role in rebuilding Gaza. 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:38.359 Australia's always played a responsible role internationally and we've played 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:43.800 a role in We've increased our aid to Gaza. That 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:48.720 has been important through various agencies, not just CUN, but 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:53.520 through other agencies as well. So I'm certain that Australia 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:57.440 will play a role as we. 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:58.600 Always rebuilding Gaza. 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.000 Yeah, absolutely, as as we always do. You know, I'm 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:07.760 appalled by the terrorist organization that is Hamas and the 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:14.480 atrocity that they committed on October seven, but Palestinians have 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:21.200 paid a very heavy price, including innocent Palestinians, for Mass's 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:24.600 atrocities and for the ensuing conflict. 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:29.560 Since October seven. Has Australia's relationship with Israel changed. 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:33.959 Well, we have always supported the Australian government has always 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:38.600 supported a two state solution in the Middle East. But 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:44.600 we've taken a principal position. We have called for ceasefire, 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.679 we've called for the release of all hostages. We've called 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:54.679 for increased aid to be available into Gaza and for 0:18:55.000 --> 0:19:01.880 that to be allowed in in a fashion, and we 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:08.919 have expressed our opposition to the loss of innocent life, 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:16.760 whether it be Israeli or Palestinian or Lebanese during this conflict. 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:24.320 So we have voted accordingly at the United Nations. That 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:31.000 has received some criticism from all sides, but we've taken 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:36.520 a principal position which overwhelmingly that's been in combination with 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:38.800 the rest of the world alone. 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:42.240 I've heard you consistently say when talking about Israel, is 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.240 Israel has a right to defend itself, but how it 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:48.760 defends itself matters. Do you agree with how Israel has 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:49.640 defended itself. 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:52.440 Well, quite clearly, I think that there's been too much 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:56.760 loss of innocent life. I've made that very clear, and 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:02.960 we have voted for that. Israel, of course, post October seven, 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:07.000 was always going to defend itself. The threat that Hamas 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:12.560 represented is something that was not going to be tolerated 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:16.840 and wouldn't have been tolerated by any nation. This was 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:21.560 an attack as well. Overwhelmingly, a lot of the victims 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:28.560 were at the Nova Music festival. They were set upon, murdered, 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:37.640 raped and taken as hostages for just enjoying a music festival, 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:45.040 and it was an appalling action. But the Palestinian people 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:55.119 have suffered enormously since then, with displacement, with being told 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:58.399 to move to areas and then being told to move again, 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:03.919 the loss of life, life, the loss of housing, an amenity, 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:08.879 the destruction has been a significant and I want to 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:15.679 see arising out of these tragic circumstances, a move towards 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:19.840 a long term solution and that requires the right of 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:23.760 both Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace and security. 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:29.360 Two more topics, The first anti Semitism. We have seen 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:32.880 a rise in anti Semitic and other religiously motivated hate crimes. 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:35.639 A number of arrests have been made, but that's in 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.680 response to this issue. What are you doing in terms 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:40.840 of stopping it before it happens? 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:47.600 Well, we're doing education. Just this week we announced funding 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:51.520 for a national center to be in Canberra and increase 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:57.040 funding as well in Western Australia at the center that 0:21:57.240 --> 0:22:03.200 I visited there for Holocaust education. We need to make 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:10.400 sure that people understand that the Holocaust, six million Jews 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:14.520 were murdered by the Nazis, and it didn't begin with 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:20.080 the gas chambers. It began with a treating of Jewish 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:24.840 people and a depiction of them as being of less 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:33.440 value than their fellow citizens. And we are seeing an 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:41.879 equation which I think is has increased, there's no question 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:49.440 about that. And we have though people who because they 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:55.080 are Jewish have been targeted, whether that be a synagogue 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:59.199 or whether that be people on the street. We're seeing, 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:08.520 I think really arise that I haven't seen in my lifetime. 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:15.200 You know, it's beyond my comprehension how anyone either does 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:22.320 or funds the fire attack arson attack on a childcare 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:30.359 center that is near a synagogue there in Arubra. That 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:32.800 to my mind, is just appalling. 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:35.040 We have to move on because we're very much running 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:38.119 out of time. I just want to end on global trends. 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:41.480 One of the key voting blocks that returned Trump to 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:44.520 power in the US was young men. How are you 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:48.320 planning in this election campaign to reach young men? 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:55.600 Well, we engage through opportunity is important. What we won't 0:23:55.680 --> 0:24:03.920 do is engage in some of the the campaign strategies 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:11.960 that we've seen from some of the right Internationally globally 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:12.480 as well. 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:13.080 Well. 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:18.320 I think this toxic masculinity that is being appealed to 0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:26.560 is a concern that doesn't benefit societies as a whole. 0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:32.160 We need to work towards bring together a common interest. 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:35.840 From my perspective of young men and young women, both 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:38.439 have an interest in a strong economy, Both have an 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:42.760 interest in equity, Both have an interest in the planet 0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:49.040 that they are inheriting and that their children will inherit 0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:49.520 as well. 0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:52.920 Last question, if we look at global trends. There has 0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:55.439 been a shift to the right in politics, and to 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:58.040 be re elected you'll obviously need to buck that trend. 0:24:58.520 --> 0:24:59.800 What is your plan to do? 0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:03.879 Our plan is to put forward the fact that we 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:07.760 have been an orderly, good government that has governed through 0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:13.680 difficult global inflationary times. But these have been turbulent seas, 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.919 but we've kept our eye on the horizon and what 0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:21.320 we've done is we've got lower inflation, higher wages and 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:26.960 low unemployment, so a good record there. But we will 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:30.360 have an offer as well of why people will be 0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:34.119 better off in three years time if they vote for 0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:39.280 a labor government. The pitch essentially of Peter Dutton is 0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:44.080 when he says in their first word of their slogan 0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:48.280 is back. Australia can't afford to go back back to 0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:51.680 a time where Prime Minister had six portfolios, where wages 0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:56.840 were going down, inflation was going up, and people weren't 0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:00.400 being respected for who they are and our relationship China 0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:02.800 what's terrible. We can't afford to go back. 0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:05.640 Prime Minister. You've been very generous with your time. Thank 0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:07.560 you so much for joining us, Thank. 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:09.560 You for having me once again. Look forward to coming 0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:10.680 back during the campaign. 0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:12.840 I hope we can do a leader's debate, that's all 0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:13.760 we're billing for. 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:17.119 That would be good. I'm up for that. If not, 0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:18.360 I'll turn up anyway. 0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:19.760 I've got it on record. 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:23.679 Thank you, hah, well, you had it there first. Billy, 0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:27.439 the Prime Minister has agreed to a leader's debate with 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:30.800 the Daily Os. Now here's some information for everyone listening. 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:33.560 We've put in a request with the Opposition leader, Peter 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:37.879 Dunnan's office. They have received that request both for that 0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.200 leader's debate, but we're also really keen to sit down 0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:43.600