1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: I'm pleased to say, joining me in the studio right 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: now is my mate Jerry Ward. 3 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, can you Jerry? 4 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Good to see you in the studio. 5 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: Wondering to day on occasional let's see what the other half. 6 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: Lived, wondering to where the town is live, never. 7 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: Hardly recognize anyone these days. 8 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: Really, you'd still know half of darwe wouldn't you. That's yes, 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: fair enough. Now, today's the final day for comment on 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: the draft Holtz and Kowandi plan. Tell us, do you 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: know if there's been quite a few people that have 12 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: actually been having their say? 13 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think most people knew it 14 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 2: was even on. 15 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: It's had very little publicity and today, so as you 16 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 3: said it the last day, I suppose what I find 17 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: it gets a bit depressing. Sometimes I don't know how 18 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 3: many of these plans in the rural area I've put 19 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 3: my two bobs worth in and not in a silly 20 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 3: way and what I hope is a constructive way. But 21 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 3: you really, I really feel at times that the score 22 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 3: at the end of the day is planners and government 23 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 3: ten locals who've been living out there for a long time. 24 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 2: Nil. 25 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 3: That's the score. I've put some ideas previously for this plan, 26 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 3: and I look at the last plan they're putting out. 27 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: I don't think much has changed at all. It worries 28 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 3: me that the government is sort of set. It looks 29 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 3: like they've set a population for this area, and that 30 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: means to fit those people in, you're going to have 31 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 3: to put a lot of people. 32 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: On small blocks. 33 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: And one of the comments in this Holtz plan is 34 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: basically saying, well, people who commented realized that to have 35 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: affordable housing, we have to have small blocks. Basically, I say, no, 36 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 3: the government should be setting the parameters. It has this 37 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: Darwin's heat mitigation strategy. It also talks about climate change 38 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 3: and what do we do we jamm people in. I'll 39 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: give you a couple of suburbs, and I know when 40 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: Parmeston Zoo College one and the other one is Durak 41 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 3: up near the university. You've got wall to wall roofs, 42 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: and I remember seeing a picture that the department actually 43 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: put it out themselves, a picture of prap. 44 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: Now prap. 45 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: We've got big blocks, fair enough, and this talk about 46 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 3: coating them up, but you'll see a lot of greenery. 47 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 3: You get a picture of mer Head and you got 48 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 3: just roofing. Now, how do you get a mitigate heat 49 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: mitigation plan if you do not allow for what's going 50 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 3: to be knocked over or all the trees so when 51 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 3: they come into the holes, they're going to clear up 52 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: as they do and not going to be able to 53 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: replace it with many trees. So if your roads aren't 54 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 3: wide enough for nature's trips to take trees, if you 55 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: can't put a tree in your backyard or your front yard, 56 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: how are you going to have a policy that really 57 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: really says we support a dar and heat medigation policy. 58 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 1: So, Jerry, what's the options for people now? Like to 59 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: those out there listening, because as we know, it's now 60 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: the final day all this draft plan, what's the options have? 61 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: They still got a bit of time to have their 62 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: say today. 63 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 3: I mean, perhaps I should have commented a bit earlier, 64 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 3: but I just thought the government had a responsibility to 65 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 3: make sure that people knew much about it. But I 66 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: didn't hear much about it on the radio anywhere, And 67 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 3: it's just like a done deal. I put in suggestions 68 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: that it's a perfect place. I've probably told you before. 69 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 3: We have the commerce we're going to fund sixty beds 70 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 3: for age care well, why not put it in the 71 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: bush next to the Parmason Hospital so people get sick 72 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 3: and the agecre obviously they're coming towards the end of 73 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 3: their life. What a perfect place near the highway. You 74 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: can just drive straight in there. So have a piece 75 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 3: of land set aside for that. Not on any of 76 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 3: these maps. That's all suburbs we've asked about. For instance, 77 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 3: they've got suburbs from right up to the prison. So 78 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: the new don Dale Correction Center which was moved, as 79 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: I've said before, from Berrima because a developer said, oh, 80 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 3: we can't have suburbs around that one, when that would 81 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 3: be the best place where it is now a new 82 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: one there would have been ideal. But anyway, the government 83 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: gave in and said no, we're going to put it 84 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 3: up near the main prison. But if you look at 85 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: the maps, you'll see that they've got all that area 86 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 3: around it suburban. So I went and you shifted it 87 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 3: because you're worried about suburban development around it on your plan, 88 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 3: you show suburban blocks around the new ones so that 89 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 3: they make you sense to me, they've got other issues, 90 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 3: Like I mean, I live in the rural area. They've 91 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: got a road going from this new development which is 92 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 3: going to have eleven thousand people, yeah, or blocks, I'm 93 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 3: not sure which they're And they've got there going through 94 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 3: Howard Springs down pass my Way and during Mayley's Place 95 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 3: to cool Inger and we've said that's crazy. You're just 96 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 3: going to turn a reletively quiet area of Howard Springs 97 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 3: into a major thoroughfy through to the cool Inger onto 98 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: the Stuart Highway when you've already got an existing road 99 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 3: which is called Howard Springs Road. 100 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: So I guess the concern always is and you know, 101 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: I can understand what you're saying, and I know lots 102 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: of people that live rural will understand what you're saying. 103 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: But I guess the concern then from maybe the younger 104 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: generation that are keen to enter the housing market. They 105 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: might be listening thinking where are we meant to live? 106 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: Well, there's a couple of things. 107 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 3: One is I think that the government can set the parameters. 108 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: I suppose if you're trying to jam more people into 109 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 3: a place, you're also going to upgrade the infrastructu to 110 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 3: suit that. But if you make it less and less 111 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 3: dense development, perhaps you don't need as much infrastructure. 112 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: But I just say, have a look at. 113 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 3: The developments we've had in Dow and what's wrong with 114 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 3: places like Leanya. People got room moved there were the 115 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: young people would have brought into those areas because one 116 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 3: area we don't just saousk is why are people building 117 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 3: such huge houses? I mean, you know, you've got a 118 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 3: block of land and you build a house with three bedrooms, 119 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 3: a studio of you know. 120 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: This and this and this. 121 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 3: Well perhaps you just build the first part of your house, 122 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 3: the bit you need to live in first, and then 123 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 3: if you need to add all all. 124 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: Well, I lived in it. 125 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: Well, look, my husband and I lived in like a 126 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: sheep for a number of years. You know. We did 127 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: it up nicely, but that's how we got a head. 128 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I never had a house for a long time. 129 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 3: I had one at a Baptist time, but it wasn't 130 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 3: my house. But when I came to Howard Springs, I've 131 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 3: got a house that's got it amountable down the middles, 132 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 3: full of forbestos. I'm trying to do up the kitchen, 133 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 3: you know. But we've lived in it and we haven't. 134 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: It wasn't a wealthy looking house. It was it's a 135 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 3: basic house and I think to some extent, we've got 136 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 3: this vision that will our houses have to be like 137 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,119 Speaker 3: I call them Italian mausoleums, with big, nice, big front 138 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 3: columns in the front. And you know whereas I think 139 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 3: we need to say to people, you live within your means. 140 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: So the land might cost a bit, but you've got 141 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 3: enough land there to grow a few veggies. In the backyard, 142 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 3: you can play a game French cricket. At least in 143 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 3: the backyard. You can have a bit of a horn 144 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: in any Yeah, So what's more important a place that's 145 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 3: hot that's got to be continually cooled down by air conditioning, 146 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 3: or a nice tropical sustainable suburb. And when you talk 147 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 3: about the climate change policy, you're talking about design design 148 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 3: of your suburbs that fits in with that policy. I 149 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 3: don't need the government. It has these policies. It has 150 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: a heat mitigation policy. And if you allow all these 151 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 3: people to live on three hundred and thirty square meter 152 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: blockses I call them sata in suburbs, then you defeat 153 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 3: the purpose of what you're trying to achieve. 154 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: Jerry, we are going to have to wrap up because 155 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: we've got a head across to the National news. But 156 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: if there is anybody still like wondering this morning if 157 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: they can still have they say, what time have they 158 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: got till five? 159 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's on the website. You can put something in. 160 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: But you know, all I'm saying is, let's develop suburbs 161 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 3: that are sensible that people can actually live in and 162 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: are cool. And it's been done before. It seems we're 163 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: going back backwards. 164 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: Well, Jerry Wood, thank you very much for joining us 165 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: this morning. You're umpiring on the weekend, mate. 166 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,119 Speaker 3: No, I'm in the I'm on the older umpire section, 167 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: which you think is the older older players. 168 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: So it's only the Premier League this week. 169 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: We're catching up with mister Batement in a few minutes. 170 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: I'll love to find out whether he's on. 171 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: For the weekend. He's out, he's trying to run faster. 172 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: Good stuff. It's Jerry, good to catch up with you.