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Speaker 1: Hello, my name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yr

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Speaker 1: the Order Kerni Whoalbury and a waddery woman. And before

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Speaker 1: we get started on She's on the Money podcast, I

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Speaker 1: would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land

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Speaker 1: of which this podcast is recorded on a wondery country,

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Speaker 1: acknowledging the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming through.

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Speaker 1: As this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing and

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Speaker 1: the storytelling of you to make a difference for today

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Speaker 1: and lasting impact for tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.

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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money podcast for

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Speaker 4: millennials who want financial freedom. Recently, you guys slim to

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Speaker 4: our DMS on one of our Friday episodes about who

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Speaker 4: should pay for contraception and there also is currently a

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Speaker 4: Senate inquiry into reproductive health care in Australia, so we

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Speaker 4: thought we should have a bigger conversation on the show

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Speaker 4: about this because it doesn't to.

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Speaker 2: Be talked about. Victoria.

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Speaker 4: You've got some feelings, I have feelings back, and you're

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Speaker 4: with us as ever are, so let's hear them.

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Speaker 2: I have so many big feelings, and I think that

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Speaker 2: today's episode is very, very welcome because today we are

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Speaker 2: not only just talking about contraception, but who should pay

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Speaker 2: for it, how hard it is to access, and what

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Speaker 2: the costs and stat on this one hundred percent vital

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Speaker 2: and basic human right is and are. And I am

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Speaker 2: really excited about it because I feel like it's not

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Speaker 2: just a conversation that extends to women having sex with men,

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Speaker 2: like it's women who are sexually active, men who are

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Speaker 2: sexually active, just people who are sexually active in general.

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Speaker 2: And you and I have had this conversation offline where

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Speaker 2: it just gets a bit weird, like who pays for

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Speaker 2: war in different circumstances, And I hope that this can

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Speaker 2: help you, guys, I guess, clear it up, but not

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Speaker 2: only clear it up, but have cleaner and easier conversations

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Speaker 2: around it. Like it shouldn't be a topic where it's icky.

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Speaker 2: It should just be a conversation where it's kind of

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Speaker 2: like if we got milk in the fridge and you go, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's milk in the fridge, and then like that's the

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Speaker 2: end of the conversation. And it's not a he said

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Speaker 2: she said, like, it's just what it is, if that

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Speaker 2: makes sense.

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Speaker 5: I want to.

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Speaker 2: Start off this whole episode, Beck by just I guess

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Speaker 2: framing a few things. So it is vital obviously to

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Speaker 2: protect against STDs and STIs and that is a given,

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Speaker 2: But this conversation is mostly looking at contraception, of which

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Speaker 2: barrier protections are also used. And it should always, always,

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Speaker 2: always be okay to discuss this with your partner. And

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Speaker 2: if not, Beck, red flag, red flag, biggest red flag

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Speaker 2: in the entire world. It is all too common for

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Speaker 2: conversations around women's bodies to be weaponized in abusive relationships,

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Speaker 2: and that is a big red no no from me.

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Speaker 2: And if you need support, we have linked to one

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Speaker 2: eight hundred respect in our notes and please, please please

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Speaker 2: get support from someone you trust. Every single person's body

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Speaker 2: is different, so support from your GP or doctor about

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Speaker 2: really important as well. And just because it works for

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Speaker 2: somebody else absolutely batty like it has done for me,

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Speaker 2: and that doesn't mean it is the right fit for you.

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Speaker 2: So I feel like conversations, you know, ad brunch with

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Speaker 2: it's not the best way to decide what type of

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Speaker 2: implant on in my arm and then I bled for

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Speaker 2: three months straight and I went absolutely ape shit, like

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Speaker 2: just like, why is this working for all of my friends?

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Speaker 2: And I was like, well, could have just kept my

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Speaker 2: have saved a bit of money. Yeah, bit of money,

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Speaker 2: mean to really just reiterate that, Beck, it's not a

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Speaker 2: what they're talking about. It not just your mates. When

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Speaker 2: I was single, Beck, it was actually about me protecting me.

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Speaker 2: But then as soon as I was in a relationship,

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Speaker 2: I guess that's why it's important to open up this conversation.

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Speaker 2: And when you suggested we did a whole episode on this,

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Speaker 2: I was like, actually that's a really good idea, Beck,

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Speaker 2: Thank you v smart woman. Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 4: And it's funny too, because I think that I went

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Speaker 4: I don't need to use contraception for the traditional reasons,

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Speaker 4: and so it's not just for exactly as you say,

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Speaker 2: It can be for anyone. I love bec that You're like,

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Speaker 2: I've thought about using contraception to stop my period, and

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Speaker 2: don't stop your period. That's natural. We should be talking

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Speaker 2: Let's not do it. I don't want to do it

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Speaker 2: Like I'm one of those HEBDP people. I know when

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Speaker 2: I remember saying that to a doctor a little while ago,

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Speaker 2: funny because when you start talking to doctors about fertility,

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Speaker 2: and they're like what. I'm like, yeah, sometimes it's the leftovery,

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Speaker 2: So anyway, we'll have another conversation about that.

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Speaker 4: Well off mic excitation about it, Sylvia. I've read that

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Speaker 4: in Australia, one in two women will experience and unplanned

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're a really good plays for research and stuff

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Speaker 2: that's the research back. But it's it's interesting as well

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Speaker 2: my girlfriends, and she ended up having honestly the most

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Speaker 2: pretty sure she used contraception, but then she also took

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Speaker 2: baby was meant to be here. Yeah, like's wild. But

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Speaker 2: I've also had a number of other girlfriends experienced unplanned pregnancies,

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Speaker 2: and whilst it can be really stressful, it doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because I don't know what you know

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Speaker 2: I know, But unplanned pregnancy, like it's not going to

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Speaker 2: female's responsibility to protect themselves and their one egg. Why

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Speaker 2: is it my job as a female to protect my

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: Like I could have sex literally every single day with

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Speaker 2: be with one person. Yes, a male could go and

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Speaker 2: and they regenerate. Why is it not on him? They

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Speaker 2: protect him? So true? Why is it not his responsibility?

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Speaker 2: But it's my job to keep my one egg? Like

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Speaker 2: what that is so true? I'm the bad person if

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Speaker 2: I have too much sex, Like, if I have too

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Speaker 2: you could have got our entire country pregnant. At this point,

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Speaker 2: I don't understand. I don't even have that capacity. I

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Speaker 2: have the capacity for having one baby in a nine

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Speaker 2: month period. Who knows if that baby's going to work

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Speaker 2: then also it's only with one person. The damage a

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Speaker 2: that's so true that my responsibility.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's kind of like, you know, if you

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Speaker 4: Condom on behalf of everyone like me, I'm so sorry

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Speaker 2: that gives Australians access to contraceptive options they need at

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Speaker 4: See what the world would look like if men got pregnant.

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Speaker 2: so like zolion, yeahs and others, they can cost eighty

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Speaker 2: supply of progesterone only pill slender while MICROLT, an older

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Speaker 2: ninety nine for four months. Oh, it isn't very wild,

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Speaker 2: but like it's so unfair, Like if you are a

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Speaker 2: the cost of having good quality contraception. I'm sorry. Why

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Speaker 2: a basic human right absolutely not. And then Pharmacy Guild

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Speaker 2: So if you would like, do you have reduced side

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Speaker 4: That is I'm not gonna use the F word here,

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Speaker 2: She's on the Money, the very eloquent podcast where two

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Speaker 2: And I am going to, you know, extrapolate that out

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Speaker 2: written in reach and it could always be bog billed.

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Speaker 2: And I mean in twenty twenty three, that has changed

430
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Speaker 2: and bog billing is no longer as easily accessible as.

431
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Speaker 5: It once was.

432
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Speaker 2: But even as a young woman, I just couldn't be

433
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Speaker 2: bothered half the time going back to the doctor to

434
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Speaker 2: get another three month script of the pill. Like, and

435
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 2: I know that that can be I have ADHD. So

436
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 2: I am inherently lazy, Like I do not want to

437
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 2: do that, right, but it's also one of those things

438
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 2: where it's like, it's not just about access, it's about

439
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 2: So you're saying I need to go to the doctor

440
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Speaker 2: a minimum of four times a year to collect a

441
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 2: prescription medication that I can't tell you when the last

442
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,719
Speaker 2: time my husband saw a doctor was No, couldn't tell you.

443
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 2: That's brutal. If I said time a year, I said, bab,

444
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 2: who's your GP, he'd be like black grand prix what, Yeah,

445
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 2: he was a GP? He would not. I don't think

446
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 2: he would have a normal GP because like, men do

447
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 2: not see they they should, but they don't see the

448
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: doctor nearly as often as women do because we kind

449
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 2: of are forced into it. And I just think it's

450
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 2: to me a wild concept that, yeah, we're still arguing

451
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: for equality, equity, and I mean it stretches into beck,

452
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 2: where are you getting the time for these four appointments?

453
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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 4: Definitely definitely V Before the break, we're talking about the

455
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Speaker 4: findings in the Senate inquiry, and I guess, like, and

456
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 4: forgive me because I actually have no idea about this stuff,

457
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 4: as you know, But where do we stand in terms

458
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 4: of long acting and reversible contraceptions?

459
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? So before we just talked about general and then

460
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 2: we talked about the pill, and there's obviously more contraceptive

461
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: options than that. So I guess to dive straight back

462
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: into me giving you some stats and facts about these things.

463
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the long active and reversible contraceptive options.

464
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 2: So from reading everything, it's glaringly obvious that Australia is

465
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Speaker 2: falling behind as global peers on the use of long

466
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 2: acting and reversible contraceptives like into uterine devices. So that's

467
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: like a Marina or a what they calling a copper

468
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: coil hormonal ireuds or into unterine devices. These are small

469
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 2: devices that are basically put into your uterus to prevent ignancy.

470
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: They are subsidized on the PBS and they cost about

471
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Speaker 2: thirty bucks or seven dollars thirty with a healthcare card. However,

472
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 2: copper IUDs, which some women prefer, BECK and I don't

473
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 2: think that there's a lot of conversation around this because

474
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: they are far more long acting than something like a Marina,

475
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: which is a name brand. There's lots of different kinds,

476
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: but copper IUDs Beck, they don't actually use hormones. The

477
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: copper is kind of like a natural contraceptive when placed

478
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: in the uterus. But these are more expensive, and they're

479
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 2: typically between eighty and ninety dollars, and so that's a

480
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 2: very big difference from like seven dollars thirty if you've

481
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Speaker 2: got a healthcare card and you can't access it.

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Speaker 1: Right.

483
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So back to our friend, Professor Danielle Maza, who

484
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Speaker 2: we mentioned just before. She said that IUDs reduce the

485
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: levels of unwanted pregnancies, but there was not enough GP

486
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: training or compensation to encourage their uptake. And she said

487
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 2: that gps are always trying to tell us the rebate

488
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: is too low to reflect the cost of a practitioner

489
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: to deliver that service. So obviously I'm not a doctor,

490
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 2: so I don't know how long it takes. But what

491
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: I do know is that there are lots of different

492
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Speaker 2: ways to get an into unine device into your uterus,

493
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: and it depends on I guess, your pain threshold, which

494
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: you know, as women, we are expected to have a

495
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: much higher pain threshold than men, right. And I remember

496
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: talking through this option with my doctor because I have

497
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: had a marina before and it worked really well for me,

498
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: and I went into my GP, my GP explained, oh,

499
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 2: I don't do it, but you'd have to go to

500
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: this other GP to do it, and like, we could

501
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: do it in the clinic and basically you'd come in Victoria,

502
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: what you do, pop a couple of neurofit and then

503
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: you come in and we do the insertion. You might

504
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: be a little bit crampy, but you should be fine,

505
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 2: and that will just be the cost of a normal

506
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 2: GP service. But we only have one doctor in the

507
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: whole clinic who does it, and she's booked out for

508
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: three months because no other doctor was trained in it. Right.

509
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 2: So I started looking into it, and because I had

510
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 2: never given birth before, it was recommended. And this is

511
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: me doing my own research, Like my GP didn't suggest this.

512
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 2: And I now have a new GP who's a legend,

513
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: so if you see me at the GP, it's not

514
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: him that we're talking about. I did a lot of

515
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 2: research on forums and realized that maybe that wasn't the

516
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: best option because it's actually like a birth pain and

517
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: the bit of cramping that you have because they're opening

518
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: your cervix and putting something in your uterus actually could

519
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: be contractions. Oh isn't that real hard? That's so I

520
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: did a bit more research and I ended up going

521
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: to a fertility clinic to have it put in, and

522
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: I got put to sleep to have it put in.

523
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: And before you get put to sleep, they like take

524
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: you into a GP and you know, you have a

525
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 2: chat with them and they explain the process. And I said, oh,

526
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Speaker 2: I'm here because I did my own reading and my

527
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: you know, my reading on these forums said that I

528
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: probably should be put to sleep because I've never given birth.

529
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: And that doctor was horrified, like are you saying that?

530
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: Your GP said just pop two in Europan and like

531
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: come in and have this interview to around deserted and

532
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, like that's what they said. And

533
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 2: then because I thought I was relatively like you know,

534
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: ahead of my time getting this thing. So I had

535
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: it like maybe eight or nine years ago put in, right.

536
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: I remember then having these conversations with my friends and

537
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, yeah, that was like the most traumatic

538
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: experience of my life. I had it put in in

539
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: the doctors, and you know, I went into cramps and

540
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: I had contractions for a couple of hours and I

541
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: was like, what while they were away they know, And

542
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 2: it turns out this is a relatively common experience, which

543
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: is why I also advocate talking to a GP and

544
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: feeling like not only are you heard, but they aren't,

545
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 2: just like a guest dismissive. And what Professor Daniel Maza

546
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: is really saying is that GPS they don't have the training.

547
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: But also why bother getting the training if you're not

548
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 2: able to charge more? And I'm not saying that they

549
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: should charge more. There should be a process for this,

550
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: and the PBS should be picking up some of this

551
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: cost to insert these things. But it's just not a thing.

552
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: And I just it blows my mind that when men

553
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: get anything done, immediately put to sleep, immediately offered a

554
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: higher dosage of medication. In fact, I was talking to

555
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 2: one of my girlfriends who had her wisdom teeth out recently.

556
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: H and her husband had had his wisdom teeth out

557
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 2: take like a year before, and he was like, Oh,

558
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: it's fine, they'll give you medication. You know, you'll come home.

559
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 2: You'll look like a bit of a chipmunk, no worries, worries. Anyway,

560
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 2: she went got her wisdom teeth out and then was

561
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: like at home complaining about the medication that she was taking,

562
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: and he was like, oh, I think I think she

563
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: ran out of medication. So he went to find some

564
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: of his medication that he had been given from the

565
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: same doctor and he went to get the same medication

566
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: because he assumed it would be identical. And she had

567
00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: been given ibuprofen, and he had been given codeine because

568
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: obviously that's all she needed. Sure, same exact procedure, and

569
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: her husband was given codeine, and she was just given ibuprofen,

570
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: which you know at the end of the day, if

571
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: you don't understand those two things, codeine's a lot, a lot,

572
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: a lot stronger than just ibuprofene, which you can get

573
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: a culs. Isn't that wild?

574
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 4: That is pretty wild, I would say, even slightly insulting

575
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 4: to the guy you how to do this?

576
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: No, actually, I just want all women to be given

577
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 2: codine if I think that that pain is going to

578
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: be too much and be like, oh, women won't need it,

579
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: like they've gone through worse. Yeah, go through worse every day.

580
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: You just need a ibuprofen. All right, let's move. Let

581
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: me tell you about the PBS. So we mentioned earlier

582
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: about the need for new forms of pills to be

583
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: included on the PBS, right well, Australian Medical Association Vice

584
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: President doctor Danielle McCullum agreed and said that the Pharmaceutical

585
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: Benefits Advisory Committee, which recommends items for the PBS, needs

586
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: to receive applications from pharmaceutical companies before their products could

587
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: be listed. She said quote that the Advisory Committee can't

588
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: compel manufacturers to request listing, which has been a bit

589
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: of a challenge, but we welcome more contraceptive medications on

590
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: the PBS. So the inquiry is going to hand down

591
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: its final report in May, which is quite soon, and

592
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna want to update you guys on what

593
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: the outcome of that is, just because I think it's

594
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: really important for our community. But isn't it wild that

595
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 2: we're talking about basic human rights here. We're having this

596
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: conversation about equal access and it not being financially crippling,

597
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: and it actually just goes back to commercialism, like the

598
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: company has to apply to be on the PBS, and

599
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: the company's like, ah, well that doesn't really matter, like

600
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: food cares, We're still selling the product. Because in my head,

601
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: and as I said before, I have never applied for

602
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: a product to be listed on the PBS. But what

603
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to assume is that if something goes on

604
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: the PBS, it becomes government subsidized. It doesn't change the

605
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: levels of what the company make it the end of

606
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: the day. What it would do, though, is subsidize it,

607
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: which you would think is an incentive to more people

608
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: buying it. Yes, so they're like, weird, yeahs, we like

609
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: the best pill. Everybody is going to pay for it

610
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: regardless because people like you and I if you've had

611
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: you know, not so great experiences on other ones, You're like,

612
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: you know what, I don't care it costs me, you know,

613
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: seventy eight bars. I'm just going to pay it because

614
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: my health is worth that. And I agree, but that's

615
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: not fair.

616
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,239
Speaker 4: It's not fair. It's not fair. That actually kind of

617
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 4: takes me down another path. I just want to talk

618
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 4: about financial privileged tuisic in it depends what you can afford,

619
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 4: but also the cost of your method is the I

620
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 4: think you have some general costs to share with us.

621
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Speaker 4: I can see it over there, and I'm dying to know.

622
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: Have a little chart of a little chart, guys, I

623
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: have a graph is polograph. I would call that a table. Yeah,

624
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: it's from a spreadsheet obviously, guys, I don't know what

625
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: you expected from me, but it was definitely a spreadsheet,

626
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: so I have some costs to go through, and I

627
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: think it's just interesting. I'm not going to read every

628
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: single one of them, but the emergency contraceptive pill, so

629
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: that's like the morning after pill or Plan B if

630
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: you're American. I learned that recently on TikTok and I

631
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: was like, plan B, what was Plan A? Like, you

632
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: didn't implement Plan A, so we went for Plan B directly. Anyway, Yeah,

633
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: I'm curious Pella with a Medicare card only it can

634
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: be up to fifty bucks. And that is a pill

635
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: that you can take if you have had unprotected sexual

636
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: intercourse and you want to prevent a pregnancy. That doesn't

637
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: do anything for SDIS or STDs, not a thing. It's

638
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: just to prevent pregnancy. Same with oral contraceptive pills. So

639
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: obviously these things only prevent pregnancy. They're not protecting you.

640
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: As we said at the top of the episode, they're

641
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: not protecting you from SDIS and STDs, which is actually

642
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: really important to protect yourself against if you're in a

643
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: new relationship, or if you're in a relationship where you know,

644
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: maybe you're both having a little bit of fun outside

645
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: that relationship. But the oral contractive pill with a healthcare

646
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: card and a Medicare card is going to cost you

647
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: around six dollars forty if it's listed on the PBS,

648
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: but with a Medicare card only, it's ten to thirty

649
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: five dollars. But beck you're going to need to go

650
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: to the doctor to get that, and a doctor's appointment

651
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: can go anywhere from zero dollars if it's bog billed,

652
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: but like basically no one's bog billing anymore, all the

653
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: way up to one hundred and fifteen dollars per consultation.

654
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: And you're going to need to do that every three

655
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: months because you're going to get a three month script.

656
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: So that's more than four hundred dollars a year in

657
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: doctor's appointments if you don't have a healthcare card, because

658
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: I know that a lot of places are going to

659
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: steal bulk bill for people still with a healthcare card.

660
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: But again, accessibility of that is becoming lower, And like,

661
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: what time do you have to go and visit the doctor? Yes,

662
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: its like it's so wild, it's wild. And do you

663
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: know what's even more wild is the fact that weekend

664
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: appointments when I'm a assuming most people who have a

665
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: nine to five Monday to Friday job, they're more expensive.

666
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 2: My doctor's clinic charges a Saturday appointment fee, and it's

667
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: much more than just a week day fee. But also

668
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: I can't get to the doctor, you know, in their

669
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: morning sessions because they start at eight. If I have

670
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: an eight o'clock appointment at the doctor, you just know

671
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 2: that that's not going to happen till like at least

672
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: eight thirty nine, and then I'm going to be late

673
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: to work. That impacts my job. If I'm being paid hourly,

674
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: are we going to take into consideration the hour of

675
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: pay that I'm not getting for that morning. On the

676
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: flip side, if I want to do it after hours,

677
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: most doctors clinics don't do late night appointments every day

678
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: of the week. Like, let's then throw in the fact

679
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: that you might have kids a need caring. It just

680
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: there's so much to it that blows my mind. Moving

681
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: on though, hormonal, iud so the Marina with a healthcare

682
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: card and a Medicare card is going to cost you

683
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: around six dollars forty. With the Medicare only card it's

684
00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: around thirty nine dollars fifty And to get doctor's visit.

685
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: It's going to cost anywhere between zero and two hundred

686
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 2: dollars to be inserted, but that is not taking into

687
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: consideration any anethetist fees. So as someone who had a

688
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 2: marina put in under anesthetic and I also had private healthcare,

689
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: I was really lucky. But what I had to do

690
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: was pay the gap. So I was out probably three

691
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: or four hundred dollars from memory with that just to

692
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: have it each aspished. So yes, it was thirty nine

693
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 2: dollars fifty, but it will depend on your insertion method.

694
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: And before I was slamming the insertion method of having

695
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 2: it done in the clinic, and I'm not sure how

696
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: much I would recommend that. I mean, they are going

697
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: to be and like, please do not get in my

698
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: DMS and message me and be like Victory, I had

699
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: to put in and I was fine in clinic. Like

700
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: I get that there are going to be people who

701
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: have had a brilliant experience and a seamless like insertion

702
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 2: of it, right, and you're going to have this perfect

703
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: experience and you're going to look at my experience and

704
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: be like that's wild, Victoria. I don't know why you're

705
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: promoting that. But the experience with my girlfriends that I

706
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: have anecdotally had is that everyone who has put it

707
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: in in clinic has had a negative experience. I'm not

708
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: saying that that's everybody's experience. I'm just talking to my

709
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: own experience and how traumatic I think that is, and

710
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: the fact that I got to completely circumvent that by

711
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: choosing just to go to sleep. I don't know how

712
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: my body reacted while I was under anesthetic. I don't

713
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 2: need to know, Yes, I don't need to know. But

714
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: what I know is that I got appropriate pain relief

715
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 2: and it was put in while I was under right. Yeah,

716
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: and I think that that is something that should be

717
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: more accessible. And obviously I got to go down the

718
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: I guess claiming it on private healthcare. But if you

719
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 2: don't have that, it might be an out of product,

720
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: it might be an out of pocket anesthetic cost. It

721
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: depends on whether you go to, you know, a general

722
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 2: hospital and have it put in, or if you go

723
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: to a fertility control clinic, which I honestly would recommend

724
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: going to. They are lovely people and they do this

725
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: every day. Like at the end of the day, if

726
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to have a Marina put in. Do I

727
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: want it put in by my GP who just did

728
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: the training one time and puts it in the clinic

729
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: and doesn't really do them maybe does a couple of year,

730
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 2: Or do I want to go to a fertility control

731
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: clinic where they do that literally every single day and

732
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: they're probably like brilliant at the process. It's not to

733
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: say that GP's bad. They're probably really good. And you

734
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: know what, there are probably a lot of GPS out

735
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 2: there floating around who have become like known for really

736
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: good insertions of this thing. But from my experience, again,

737
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: every time I tried to find someone, they would be like,

738
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: oh no, they don't do that. It was an even

739
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: bigger nightmare back when I wanted to get it taken out. Oh,

740
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: I haven't even talked about that yet exactly, because like

741
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: what goes in must come out at some point mm

742
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: hmm Newton's laurel as they said, Yeah, what goes up

743
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: must come down. But when I wanted to get it

744
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: taken out, that was a circus and a half and

745
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 2: I called a whole heap of GPS. And from my understanding,

746
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 2: all you had to do was yank the cord. Ah No, oh, no, no, no,

747
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: we won't go into that story because it is a

748
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: relatively traumatic story. But it definitely cost me close to

749
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars to have that removed, so I think

750
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: you need to understand I guess that side of cost

751
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: as well. Obviously, I'm I feel like I'm being relatively

752
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: ranty today, but it's because I care. I promise, Yeah,

753
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: that's okay. Copper, IUD same circumstance, but that's going to

754
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: be more expensive, so it's not going to be able

755
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: to be claimed under PBS. With a healthcare card doesn't count,

756
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: but with a Medicare card it could be between seventy

757
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: and one hundred and twenty dollars, and then it could

758
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: cost you up to three hundred dollars according to my

759
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 2: graph to get it inserted last for ten years though

760
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: ten year ten days. But again I would probably recommend

761
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 2: looking at other insertion methods to make sure that you're okay.

762
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: The contraceptive implant slash rod right, this is the one

763
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: that I said, sent me absolutely batty did that for me.

764
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: I have so many girlfriends who have had I think three, four,

765
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: even five rods. They love it, they thrive on it.

766
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: It is the perfect thing for them, and it works

767
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: really well with a healthcare card around six dollars forty

768
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: it's pretty good. Yeah, that's around six I sporting with

769
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: a Medicare card only thirty seven bucks. Okay, And this

770
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: one you don't need to be put to sleep for

771
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: because they can just like numb your arm and put

772
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: it in. It could be up to one hundred and

773
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 2: fifteen dollars in the consult fee because most gps have

774
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: lack an area at their consultation clinic that they can

775
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 2: put in. And that lasts three years. That's pretty heavy.

776
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 2: That's a nice, happy meeting. That's pretty good. Debra Vira

777
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: is a contraceptive injection, which I think is really interesting.

778
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: I've never had this before, but it's around six dollars

779
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: forty or fifteen bucks with just a Medicare card. You

780
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 2: do need a doctor's consultation, so let's call that around

781
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifteen dollars. And you're going to need

782
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: two of these apparently according to this list, and that

783
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: lasts three months, so just like the pill, you're going

784
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 2: to have to return to the doctor for that shot

785
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: every three months. Again access the vaginal ring. I think

786
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 2: do you remember hearing about this. I remember hearing about

787
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: this when I was much younger thanuverring. It sounds familiar.

788
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 2: It's like, basically, I think think it's made of like

789
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: medical grade silicon and you basically have this ring. That's

790
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 2: what would you say about the size of my fingers?

791
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: Ah?

792
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 4: I went around, how would you explain to explain that, Oh,

793
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 4: it's a conference of my okay?

794
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: Notion?

795
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: Right?

796
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 2: Anyway, that billy can ring gets inserted once a month

797
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: into your vagina and stays in your vagina, okay, And

798
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: that costs around thirty dollars and then you pull it

799
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 2: out after I think it's like twenty five days.

800
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, this must have some benefits to it, because surely

801
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 4: no one's opting for this once a month.

802
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: To do this, well, you put it in once a

803
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: month and then there was silicon rings stays in your

804
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: vagina for the entire month. But it's expensive, No, it's

805
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 2: not cheap. It's around thirty dollars to have it done.

806
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: And you need to change that every three weeks. And

807
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: you can get it on a prescription, so you could

808
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: probably get it the same way you get the pill

809
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: and like pick up three of them or whatever. There's Look,

810
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 2: I'm not a doctor, and I'm not pretending to be

811
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: a doctor. I'm just talking about the process. I've said

812
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 2: a million times, please go talk to your doctor about this.

813
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: Don't just talk to your friends like you're just so important.

814
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: But from my understanding, like the ring has the hormones

815
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: in the silicon and they seep out, and the way

816
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: that that works is actually that it's closer to your uterus,

817
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 2: so you need less of the hormone than you would

818
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: if you took it orally. So a couple of my

819
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: girlfriends have used this. I just find the concept of

820
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: having something hidden up there for a month. Yeah to me,

821
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, thank you. So what you poppet in yourself? Yeap,

822
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: you poppet in yourself?

823
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

824
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you leave it in there.

825
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 4: I would just never ever ever sleep with anyone ever

826
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 4: again instead of doing that.

827
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 2: But also that's okay for you too. I reckon there

828
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 2: are going to be a heav girls that slide into

829
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: our dms and they're like, I love my new ring,

830
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: like the feeling it would ever happened to me, and

831
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: like I'm assuming, like just assuming here you can't feel it? Yeah, yeah,

832
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: it's more than a tampon, and if a tampon's inserted properly,

833
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 2: like you can't feel that are true?

834
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe it's just like a thing totally. Actually, I've

835
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 4: got a lot of questions. Maybe you slide into our

836
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 4: DMS because I'm very curious to know what it feels like,

837
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 4: what the whole process is, Like.

838
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: This is too far? Please? What happens if you have sex?

839
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: Oh?

840
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:11,479
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like little? Is it like paying coits a little

841
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: that game where you throw the rings and then it

842
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 2: gets stuck on the pole.

843
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 4: You know, like I feel like I'm going to take

844
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 4: it too fast.

845
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: Let's talk about like more barrier methods because obviously those

846
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: are oral contraceptive methods that only protect against pregnancy.

847
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 4: Right.

848
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 2: The last one under contraception that you can get from

849
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 2: your gp BECK is called a diaphragm, and a diaphragm

850
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: is basically a barrier method of birth control. And the

851
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 2: plan with that one is it's actually like kind of

852
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: like it looks like a condom that hasn't been unrolled,

853
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: and it's a little bit bigger, and it basically gets

854
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 2: placed over your cervix with sperm side before sex, which

855
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: is probably less common. But yeah, you place it in

856
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 2: before you have sex, and then it's left in place

857
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 2: for at least six hours after sex to basically stop

858
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 2: the spam getting up your cervix and creating a pregnancy.

859
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 5: Right.

860
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 2: They do recommend fitting by a health care provider, which

861
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: I think is really interesting because it's like basically a

862
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 2: barrier protection. But that's expensive. It's between seventy and ninety

863
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: dollars and then obviously again that one hundred and fifteen

864
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: dollars for a consultation, So I find that wild. You

865
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: know what I find more wild, though, is when I

866
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: googled it as well, the one year failure rates around

867
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: twelve percent with typical use, Like twelve I mean, I

868
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 2: don't know what you mean, Like condoms are like ninety

869
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: nine point ninety five percent effective. Rah, that's like so

870
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 2: much less for such a cost. Like understand, no, I'm

871
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: not going to go and get that one. If you

872
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: use that, though, please slide into our DMS. We want

873
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 2: to hear about it and why you choose that over

874
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: the other contraceptive like options throughout there. Now, that's what

875
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: I want to know. Yeah, Like it's not do you

876
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: use it? That might work? Like surely it can't be

877
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 2: oh that was the only method available to me because

878
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: it's so niche. It does feel a quite niche. But

879
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 2: then I guess moving more into barrier methods. Internal female

880
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 2: condoms are between three and ten dollars each and their

881
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: single use. They're much more expensive than external male condoms,

882
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: which are you know, between zero dollars because lots of

883
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: them are free to five dollars for multiple and obviously

884
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 2: you can buy lots and lots of different kinds. They

885
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: might even be on sale at coals you don't know,

886
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: might be in love. I might check it out. And

887
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: then oral and dental dams. They're not a method of

888
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: birth control. They only protect from contracting sdis during oral,

889
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: vaginal or anal sex. They're around three dollars each, so

890
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: I feel like, given their single use, that's actually relatively expensive.

891
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: Oh like it adds up, right, I see, like every

892
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: single time, and I mean every pill. I'm married, so like, huh,

893
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 2: it's going to be real cheap for me. But like

894
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: you know, if you're not married and you have a

895
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 2: very active sex life, that's going to add up real quick.

896
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: It's like getting coffees every day, you know, Like that

897
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: true adds up.

898
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 4: True, Well, coffee back in the day, Yeah, coffee back

899
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 4: is a day.

900
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, it's not three dollars anymore, five dollars fifty

901
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: for an oat laste the other day. Get this back

902
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: one dollar extra for oatmelk. Well, now they're taking the

903
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: piss a little bit, you know, charge me more to

904
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: save the world. What Well, when you put it like that, Okay,

905
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 2: exactly exactly, I'll pay for it. But I'm not happy

906
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: about it. I'm just not happy about it. But I

907
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: think it's interesting going through all of those, right totally.

908
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 2: And I think it's just interesting just going through all

909
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: of those and the costs and what they look like

910
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: and what the actual implementation might be. And I mean

911
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 2: back to what we're talking about before. I don't know

912
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: how many times I can reiterate this. Please go talk

913
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 2: to your doctor about this, because we're not doctors. We're

914
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 2: just talking about the costs of these things. And these

915
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: things work very differently for very different people. And to

916
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: be honest, there might be a few types of contraception

917
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: that you've heard about today that you're like, fat, I

918
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: didn't know that existed. Like, how many people are going

919
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,479
Speaker 2: to be listening to this and They're like a ring

920
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: that you put in your vagina for a whole month.

921
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: What Like that's crazy to some people, And that's cool

922
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: that we're learning together, But the best person to learn

923
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 2: from is actually going to be your GP GPP baby

924
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: fertility specialists that can help you through these processes and

925
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 2: actually find what the right fit for you is, because,

926
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: as we've said before, the right fit for me is

927
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: not the right fit for you, and the right fit

928
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: for Beck is not the right fit for me. Like different,

929
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 2: everybody is different now totally what makes our community so cool? Yeah,

930
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: I love that.

931
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 4: I think that we are ending in on a really

932
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 4: good note. But a few takeaways from today. My one

933
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 4: that I'm most scared of right now, and I keep

934
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 4: hearing this, many clinics aren't bulk billing anymore.

935
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: Why?

936
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 4: When?

937
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: How?

938
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: What the hell does that mean? There's not a lot

939
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: I can say on that, but essentially, I think it's

940
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 2: just the rising cost of living. And I mean, at

941
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I'm not here. I think

942
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: some people are going to cut me down for this.

943
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: But doctors have to put food on their tables too.

944
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: They still have to pay rent of their clinics, They

945
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: have to pay their nurses, they have to pay their

946
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: admin staff. They have mouths to feed and bills to pay,

947
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 2: and I think that it's just become a financial pressure

948
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: where they just don't have an option, like they need

949
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: to know increase how much they're being paid. And our

950
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: government isn't subsidizing our health care enough for them to

951
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: not do that, because we all know that. I think

952
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: at the crux of it, if you sat a doctor

953
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: down and said why did you become a doctor? It's

954
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: not because I wanted to get rich. There are way

955
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 2: easier ways to get rich than becoming a doctor. They

956
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: become a doctor because they care about people and want

957
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: to help, and usually that is the situation. So I

958
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: genuinely feel like if a doctor is charging, it's probably

959
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: because they have to not feel like, oh, do you

960
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: know what I really want to do. I don't want

961
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: people to be able to access really financially responsible health

962
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: care like they're not doing that. We know they're not

963
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,959
Speaker 2: doing that. I think that the government needs to stay

964
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: been a bit more than they have been before and

965
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: actually subsidized it a bit more because you know, you

966
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: look at the rising cost of living and it's like

967
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 2: up to seven percent what has the government increased how

968
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: much that they're subsidizing healthcare by seven percent? No, they haven't,

969
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: but things are costing more than seven percent. I guarantee

970
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 2: admin staff in the doctor's surgeries are going, oh well,

971
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: I'd like a raise because the rising cost of living exists. Yes,

972
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: like it makes sense. We know, you know, landlords are

973
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: charging more now because they're trying to cover their mortgages,

974
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 2: which is an entirely other conversation. But people own clinics

975
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: and they're probably increasing the rent on the clinic. Like,

976
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: there's just a lot of things to be taken into consideration.

977
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: And I can almost guarantee that clinics aren't not bulk

978
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: filling anymore because they want to screw us over. Sure, Okay,

979
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: that does that make sense? That makes sense. It makes

980
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: me feel bit better actually.

981
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 4: And the last point that I think I'm going to

982
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 4: take away from this, and I feel like everyone should,

983
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 4: is that the cost that we're talking about today is

984
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 4: mainly for metropolitan people.

985
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's true.

986
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 4: We're not really kind of discussing what the cost is

987
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 4: for rural and regional people that you know, might not

988
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 4: have the same accessibility as we do.

989
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 2: I can imagine being quite difficult, and it's a privilege.

990
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 2: Like as I said before, I got to go down

991
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 2: to the fertility clinic and you know, decide to have

992
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 2: my marina inserted there. What if you're in a rural

993
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: town and you only have the GP and that GPS

994
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: not trained in that type of contraception that you want.

995
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: Not only do you not have access to that, but

996
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 2: you might also be a bit wary of getting that

997
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: because you're not going to have the support close to

998
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 2: you if that's not the right contraceptive method and you

999
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: need to have it taken out. So I think there's, yeah,

1000
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 2: there's a lot of privilege when talking about contraception, and

1001
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: this conversation shouldn't stop here, which is why we have

1002
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: our Facebook group so we can continue the conversations and

1003
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 2: continue to I guess hear your opinions and you know,

1004
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: hear what our community is going through, so the conversation

1005
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: will continue over there. But I just think it's this

1006
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 2: has been such a small snippet of the issue that

1007
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 2: we're going through, and I guess the crux of this

1008
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: episode wasn't necessarily to talk about accessibility, even though we

1009
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 2: are shedding lash on it. Right now it's really to

1010
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: talk about the cost of it and what that looks like,

1011
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: and that contraception I think is important to talk about.

1012
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: And I'm sure a lot of you thought we were

1013
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 2: going to talk about who should be paying for it.

1014
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: We covered that on that Friday Drinks episode. But what

1015
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: is it actually at the depths of it. What's it

1016
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,959
Speaker 2: going to cost me to get on the pill? What's

1017
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 2: it going to cost me to buy cornum?

1018
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 4: Totally?

1019
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 2: I love it. Let's leave it at that. I reckon,

1020
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Speaker 2: Let's get on your tea. Let's go get another tea.

1021
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we love you, has a good weekend.

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Speaker 2: We will see you guys on Friday. Bye, guys.

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