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KYE 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:18.079 I'm always always said be careful. 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.960 Love those umboo. 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:25.000 Let it well, use your head. 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:30.160 They will tear you lack a purple talk. 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.080 Oh no no, no, yeah. 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:36.960 Yeah yeah yeah, oh no no no. 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:40.520 Hi. 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:42.520 I'm Amanda and I'm Romby. 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:44.520 Welcome to It's Laying. 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.760 We're in a long distance friendship that started over twenty 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:49.560 years ago when we were in high school. 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:54.160 We'll be talking about all things life, love, family, anything 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:56.080 and everything else under the sun. 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:00.640 Delve deeper with us because in life, you know, Jine Layers. 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:06.679 No no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah no no. 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:12.440 Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of its Laired 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:17.160 Special Edition. And today we're so so excited. 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.000 We have a special guest in the building. We have 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:22.080 Kai here with us. 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.760 Welcome Kai, thanks for having me. 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:30.480 Yes, okay, we're so excited. But before we get into 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:33.120 all things dell all the way deeper with you, we 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:34.959 just wanted to let the people know a little bit 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.919 about Kai. Who is Kai and what's she all about. 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.880 In the short time since Kai formally introduced herself to 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.880 the world, she's already one over audiences with her celebratory, 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:51.960 absolutely celebratory, sun soaked sound that effortlessly bridges pop and 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:55.840 R and B, keeping joy and freedom at the forefront 0:01:55.920 --> 0:02:01.240 with shining rhythmic deliveries championing her undeniable songwriter and vocal talent. 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:07.840 Zimbabweent born what Up London Raised now noms Slash, Melbourne 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.600 based Kai's relationship with music blossomed as a young child 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:13.160 growing up in the UK. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.960 In between vivid memories spent singing through sickness and health, 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:22.560 gospel songs which all Zimbabwians can relate to, talent shows, 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:26.480 girl bands and more, have voice flourished with each deep 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:30.440 embrace of her identity. Deeply informed by her experience as 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.880 a young black woman experiencing life through a predominantly white 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:40.200 societal lens, which this podcast completely gets. Kai finds herself today, confident, 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:44.079 strong and humble, ready to share her mantra of embracing 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:48.080 openness and finding joy in it with the world. Welcome 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:52.760 to his lad podcast, Kai, I'm so excitedly here and 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:58.320 to talk to you guys. A bio that sounds so cool, cool. 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:03.320 Cool, honestly, like we'll get into all that, but yeah, 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:05.360 I would be so grateful that you could be here 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:10.519 and after such an amazing bio. How would you describe 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:14.080 yourself Kai, Like, like, in a few words and a 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:16.799 sentence and a paragraph, how would you know someone said, 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:17.280 who's kind? 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:23.480 Yeah, I would probably say Kai is like a multi genre. 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:31.640 Artist based in Nam Zimbabwe born. Yeah. I don't know. 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:33.520 It's so hard to you know when someone says, you know, 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:34.760 tell me about yourself and you go. 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.000 Exactly window. 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:43.520 Yeah, but yeah, definitely a multi genre artist. Yeah, sort 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:47.120 of making pop, R and B dance music with just 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.880 a focus on fun and joy and enjoyment. 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:50.480 Yeah. 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:50.920 Yeah. 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:51.800 I love that. 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.000 We've spoken a lot about being a third culture kid, 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.920 you know, balancing all the cultures we come from. How 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:01.440 do you think being born in Zimbabwe, raised in the UK, 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.960 and now based in malvin has shaped your musical journey. 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.880 I think all of the different cultures and you know, 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.880 different versions of my upbringing is kind of the reason 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.680 why I'm such a multi genre artist. I think, you know, 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.120 when you've lived in all these different places and you've 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.840 had to adapt a whole bunch of times, and you know, 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.640 meet new people and be in different environments, you know, 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.000 it makes you such I guess, like a hybrid person, 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.480 and I think that makes my music sound like that 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.240 because that's what my personality is like I'm just you know, 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.640 a combination of all the places I've been and all 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:35.520 the things that I've learned and the people I've met. 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.760 So yeah, I think it heavily informs my music because 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.560 I don't really make one sound that can be put into. 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.920 You know, one box. Yes, and that's just how I 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:46.400 am as a personality. 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:51.920 So yeah, absolutely, and I love that multifacetedness. I think 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:55.600 so often we are denied of that. You're allowed to 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.840 be all these things, right, It's like, oh, if you're 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.400 gonna identify as this, you're only this, or if you're 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:04.560 can to identify as that, you're only that. And you know, 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:06.960 it's beautiful when we can embrace all of that. 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:11.200 So yeah, when it took me, even like a while 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:15.520 in my musical journey to you know, even identify as 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.080 Zimbabwean born, I think that was such a big turning 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.440 point for me because I was like, actually, that does 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.280 inform my music. And maybe it means that I don't 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.440 make afrobeats and I don't make zimbabwe music, but I 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.320 can still identify with saying, oh, this is my culture, 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.560 this is where I was born, and these are the 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.280 ways that it influences my music. Without having to make 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.680 a specific type of music. I think, especially in Western media, 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.039 there is such a you know, a preconception about the 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.640 music that Africans make and the art that Africans make, 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:47.240 so immediately when you say, oh, I'm from Zimbabwe, they're like, okay, 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:51.640 give us the Zimbabwe music. Yeah. I think there was 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:53.919 even a push and pull there of being like, actually, no, 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.720 let me introduce my culture into this. Yeah. 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:03.120 Yeah, speaking of culture, how did your close family and 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.880 friends support you in becoming a musician. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.880 What was that journey like for you when you decided. 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.160 I think there was a lot of fear at the beginning. 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.919 I think you know, you probably would understand, you know, 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.920 coming from Zim and like my parents having moved us 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.320 from Zim and we've moved to different places around the world. 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.200 For them, you know, everything was very much about how 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.360 do we, you know, keep our family sustained, how do 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.520 we go and find a job that's going to keep 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:30.760 us pushing through? And for them it was all about 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:32.760 like how do we survive and take care of these kids? 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.400 And then I think for us kids, we've gone okay, well, 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:38.080 now I've got this whole world full of opportunities, and 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.599 I want to do something a bit weird and your parents. 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:45.279 Wait, what, you're a doctor or a lawyer about it? 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.640 So yeah, I think, you know, they get you through school, 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.239 they get you educated, and I went off to UNI 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.239 and I was pre met for a couple of years, 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.280 and then I decided I didn't want to do it. 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.560 So now. 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:04.640 Exactly that was. 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:06.840 An uphill battle for a while, and you know, mom 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.480 and dad didn't really get it, you know, until the 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.280 music started coming out and you know, things started happening. 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:13.720 But they've always been supportive. 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:15.440 They've always you know, they've always known that I loved 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.520 music and I love singing, and they always wanted me 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.520 to do it. But it was just that thing of like, 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.400 we don't know anything about the music industry or how 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.440 people release songs or how people get a record deal, 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.160 and you know, how are you going to make money? 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.760 How are you going to survive? So I think, yeah, 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:31.960 it was it was a big conversation. But they are 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.520 the most supportive parents in the world now, Like they 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:37.840 just they back everything I do. They support me, They 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.240 come to every show like they're the best. 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:40.960 We love it. 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.080 Yeah, we heard you on your bossing song when you 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.360 speak a few bars or like yeah, you know, they 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.760 sound lovely to be seen, And I think you're so right. 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.840 It's our parents always operate from a place of fear 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.400 because for them, they were probably the first generation to 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:59.960 really experience quote unquote material success. So to them, they're like, 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:03.160 it can be taken away. You have to have security, security, security, 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.280 And then with the generation after that, like we're secure 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:07.520 now now. 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.200 What you know? Now we dream? 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.960 Yeah, now we dream right now, we can do those 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.559 other things that you wanted us to do. Deep down, 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:16.640 this is what you were doing it for. But I 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.520 think this is so hard for them to fathom. How 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:23.600 do you yourself keep yourself motivated as a young black 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.640 woman experiencing life through a predominantly white lens. 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:29.160 As you said in your bio. 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.319 I think like, as much as it is difficult, it's 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:36.200 also really exciting. I think, you know, there's a there's 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.880 that feeling of pushing the envelope and pushing that glass 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.480 ceiling further and further up, and knowing that the more 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.480 that I push in, the harder I work, the easier 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.440 it's going to be for you know, the next young 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:51.559 black girls who are making music, you know in white Australia, 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.040 I think by the time I've gone and done it, 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.200 you know, the next batch that's coming up, it's just 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:59.079 going to be you know, a much easier, a much 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.319 easier journey for them. So there's always that in the 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:04.240 back of my mind. But I think it's also just 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.880 exciting feeling like, oh, you know, we're actually going to 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.600 push some barriers here, and we're going to see what 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.920 it looks like to see change actively happen. Then it's 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.600 frustrating some days, and it's hard some days, but other 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:18.680 days you get those big wins and you actually really 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.400 get to go, yes, I did that, and I get 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.000 to claim that, and I get to say, you know, 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.720 I get to put my heritage and my culture at 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:26.880 the forefront, and. 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.200 You know, let the white people watch me do it. 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.800 And enjoy you while you do that as well. Enjoy 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:37.680 it while you do that. 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:42.320 Because I think that there's something really special. As much 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:46.160 as there's pushback sometimes on culture or difference, I think 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:49.319 there's something that draws people to you know, be like wow, 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.240 like that's something that's different to me, and so on 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.040 and so forth. So I think it's really inspiring what 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:59.319 you're doing. And we wanted to know who inspires you 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:04.640 music like your your your journey, your sound and all that, 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:05.560 if he could. 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:06.240 Share with us. 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:10.240 Yeah, it's always so hard to pinpoint musical influences because 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.480 I think it just expands and changes every day. But 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.079 my parents brought me up on a lot of like 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:20.040 Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston and Shaka Khan and you know, 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.640 all of those great great artists from that time. So 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.720 R and B and soul music and like great pop 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:29.600 music has always been something I had around me, So 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.760 I think, yeah, my early songwriting was definitely like, oh, 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.280 you know, I know this Michael Jackson song because I 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:36.960 know it's got this hook. So I've got to write 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.960 songs that have got hooks. So I think, yeah, the 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.880 early influences is that. And then yeah, just as I've 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.160 gotten older, just discovering more and more artists that I love. 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:53.840 I'm a big Beyonce fan. It's embarrassing, you tell us twice. 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:55.600 Yeah, No, I have. 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:59.320 An embarrassing love for Beyonce and just her work and 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.840 her career been really inspiring to watch. And then you know, 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:04.800 just some of the newer R and B stuff that's 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.000 coming out Scissor and you know, all this kind of 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:12.160 artists Kailani who sort of make that alternative R and 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.800 B and I think it was really cool listening to 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:16.920 that music when people weren't really across it yet. And 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.040 now if you say Scissor, everyone knows who Scissor is. 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.160 But if you said Sissa five six years ago, people 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.280 will be like, I don't know, I've not heard of 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:25.040 that artist before. 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.320 Yeah, I think not so much. 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:31.200 Sonically, I think, you know, I don't really make super 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.800 R and B music anymore, but I think yeah, definitely 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.640 career wise, and watching you know, other black young artists 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.720 sort of come up from the underground and really place 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:42.000 themselves in the mainstream. 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:46.199 Yeah, has definitely been a big influence. I mean speaking 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:46.640 on that. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.360 You know, we always talk about things we want to 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.120 see or places you want to be And for you musically, 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.840 who do you think you would love to collaborate with? 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.520 Oh, I mean number one Beyonce. 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.280 I say it for every every interview if I asked 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.320 the question, I always say it because I know that 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.120 if I say it enough times, it'll happen. 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:17.640 So yeah, watching this beyond is internet that absolutely, there's 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.800 there's so many Honestly, if there wasn't Beyonce. 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.480 Gosh, I mean Ed Sheeran. 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.400 Honestly, I think Ed Sheeran is one of the greatest 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:29.480 pop songwriters, like in the world right now, Ed Sheeran, 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:34.040 Max Martin. Yeah, a lot of amazing pop songwriters out there, 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.560 So yeah, but number one Beyonce. 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:38.280 Queen? 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.880 You heard that, Queen? 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.640 Which would you say? I think people often say it's 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.240 hard to choose. It's like choosing which is your favorite child. 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:53.520 But what do you enjoy more? The songwriting aspect or 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:57.600 being a vocalist because your vocals are quite like, you know, 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.880 like really impressive, just the way able to scale and 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:07.120 you know, listening to some of your covers like it's 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:12.760 just really really inspiring. So which which side of it 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:18.120 do you enjoy more? The songwriting or the vocals performing? 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:19.920 I don't know anyone. 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.440 It is hard. It is like being your favorite child. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:26.120 I think lately it's been like vocals the actual I 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:29.440 think like artistry behind vocals has been a big thing 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.560 for me. I think in my previous records, I think 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.520 a lot of people who know me or have heard 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.600 me sing have been like, oh, you don't really sing 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.600 on your records, which is really interesting because they're right 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.480 I don't really have to work hard vocally on some 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.280 of the records I've put out. A lot of the 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:51.160 new music is like vocal, like vocally heavy, like really 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.559 I've had to get really into the nitty gritty of 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.280 like my singing and really use my vocals for the 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.760 stuff that's coming out later. So I've been really in 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.920 that space at the moment, just really working on vocal 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.439 arranging and I mean getting better. 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:06.959 As a vocalist to I teach vocals. 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:11.120 I have about fifty students, yeah, so that's been like 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.920 a big part of the process. I've been teaching for 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:18.280 about a year and a half. Yeah, so it's been 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.480 really really interesting to get into the mechanics of my voice. 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.720 So that's been really fun. 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.000 But it's amazing gear up, Yeah, as we gear up 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.960 to go back on tour. I'm so excited to get 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.320 back on stage because I think that is my my 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:33.880 happy place being. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.040 On That's amazing. That's amazing. 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.280 And would there be anyone that you would love to 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:44.640 songwrite with for collaborate with on a songwriting scale, because 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:48.560 we talk about the honest song overall, but like anyone 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:50.840 you'd love to write with. I know you mentioned ed Sharan, 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:52.200 Is there anyone else there? 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.480 Yeah, honestly, I would love I would love for Edge 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:59.040 Shearing to write me a song. But yeah, at the moment, 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:02.920 I think my my focus has been collaborating with people 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.720 who are really different to me and make really different 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:07.680 music to me. Like I just did a couple of 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.600 sessions with an Australian artist named Jeef Flip and their 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.320 music couldn't be any more different to what I make, 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.320 And the music that we made was really really cool 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.600 and really opened up a new space for me. So 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.720 I think, yeah, without sort of pinpointing any names, I 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.920 think there's so many artists that I would love to 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.080 work with who are just in a completely different genre 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:26.320 to me. 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:28.640 So I think that's yeah, that's. 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:32.440 The beautiful you know, it's so interesting to talk about 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.440 how your voice. I think we forget their voices are instruments. 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:37.080 I remember when we were like in music school in 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.440 high school and they'll be like, oh, you can do music, 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.520 and then people will be expecting you to play an instrument, 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.480 and some people would just sing a compeller and it's like, well, yeah, 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:46.960 that is an instrument. So it's beautiful that you're even 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:51.960 teaching music and using our voices. It's such a I 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:55.560 don't know, it's such a I guess, underrated part of music. 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:57.440 It's funny we know you're a singer, but then we 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:02.280 always the production and we forget that you're vocalist first. Right. 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.920 Yeah, No, it's really true. It's really true. 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:08.240 I think even as I've gotten back to being more 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.120 of an instrumentalist because I do play, I think even 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.000 getting back to that and being like, oh, I have 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.080 to give as much practice and time to singing as 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.400 I have to give to guitar or piano or so yeah, 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.840 how technical it all is. So yeah, the voice is 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.520 such an interesting instrument because it's so personal. You know, 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.440 if you play the wrong note on the piano or 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.680 you hit the wrong drum, it's like oops. But if 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:35.840 you see a wrong note, it's so deeply, like personally reflective. 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:36.360 I think that. 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.520 Very exposing. So yeah, no, it's been it's been fun 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:42.160 to dig into. 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.120 It's so funny you say that because we grew up 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.080 in the era of like Christina Anguilera, and I remember 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.600 on one of her studio sessions she had like the 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.640 lights dimmed and everything was just because she's like, I 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:56.840 just want people to focus on my voice and not 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.360 like what I look like. And it's just so interesting 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.040 because just one for you. Well, I mean we've just 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.480 been the same studio, so we feel like we've really. 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.359 Hang out with you. We recorded our. 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:09.879 Special at the Base Studios as well in South Melbourne. 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.919 What do you think you enjoy most about being in 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:13.520 the studio? 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:16.640 Oh gosh, so you would have seen the bass, which 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:19.879 is great for context because it's such like a It 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:21.840 depends on how you light it, I think, but it's 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.280 such like a movie and it's just like the atmosphere 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.479 of it is just very intimate, I think. So I 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.480 really like to get into intimate space when I'm recording 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.480 because it really does affect it. It affects the way 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.600 that you're seeing and perform. I can't do it with 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.680 bright lights on. My voice sounds completely different under bright 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.280 lights than it does, you know, in a dark space, 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:43.359 which is so funny. 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:44.000 It's so weird. 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:48.000 But yeah, however it affects your brain is just how 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.959 the sound comes out, which is yeah, really funny. 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:53.760 But I love recording at the Base. 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.960 It's been my home now for a while and my 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.840 first sort of music that came out as Kai was 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.479 all recorded at the base that I haven't recorded anywhere 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:06.000 else since. So, yeah, it's just my little musical home. 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:10.320 Yeah, we had We had a great time recording there 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.639 and just as you said, the energy is just really 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:15.960 really great. You shared a little so you like the 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:20.280 more sort of dimmed side of things when it comes 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.600 to recording. Can you share a bit about your creative process, 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:26.760 because you know what I always wonder about the songwriters 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:30.119 or the singers, you know, especially if you have a 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:34.280 hands on approach to make creating your music and seeing 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.680 it through from the start to the finish. 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:37.840 What does that look like? 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:43.159 Because I think sometimes as regular humans we can't fathom, like, so, 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:44.560 where does the song come from? 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:45.240 You know what I mean? 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:50.520 Like, yeahs, what does that create a process look like 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:51.000 for you? 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:54.360 Or does it differ change? Like do you have like a. 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.240 Systems chop and change around? But I think that question 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.600 you asked before, where does the song come from? Is 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.000 is a really interesting question and something that I've been 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.080 I think grappling with probably for the last few years, 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.359 because I think my best songs that I've ever written 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:12.280 feel like they fall out of the sky, Like it 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.360 doesn't feel like I write them. It feels like they 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.439 just happened to me and then I happen to just 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:21.640 be there at the right time and place. So yeah, 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.159 I think my favorite songs I've written them driving and 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:28.000 they just happen all like linearly or in the shower, 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:30.320 and the whole song happens. And the last song that 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:32.119 I wrote that I really loved, I felt like was 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.680 the best song I've ever written. I had heard two 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:38.600 chords on her guitar and it just happened. People in 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:41.119 the room are like, what just happened there? Like you 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:45.399 just heard the sound and then you know, the. 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:52.160 Christians and Zimbabwe be like, it's like exactly, yeah, and. 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:54.639 You know they said, oh, it's like you just reached 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.800 up in the air and just grabbed it. And so 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:00.719 I think that's something I've been just trying to I 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:04.000 think I'll never understand that's actual. 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:08.439 There's something, there's something really when they I've been reading 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:10.639 different things and. 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.280 Oh, specifically Power of Now. 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:17.880 I've been reading Guys and things like that and talks 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.439 about flow and when you're in flow and it's almost 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:25.160 like an element. That's why consciousness is so important, because 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:28.080 you're not in your head, you're just in flow. With 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.960 whatever you believe, whatever the universe whoever is talking to you, 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:34.639 and then that's where it just comes to you. And 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.920 it really shows that you really are in contact with 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:41.080 your flow and and and kind of moving in that. 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:44.159 So that's really beautiful. So guys, there's no like secrets. 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:46.159 I'm sure there are recipes. 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:51.960 Just like I just like, but it just it just 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:53.280