1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,239 Speaker 1: Already and this this is the Daily. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: This is the Dailios. Oh now it makes sense. Good 3 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: morning and welcome to the Daily Os. It's Thursday, the 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: eleventh of September. I'm Lucy Tassel, I'm Sam Kauzlowski. For 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: the first time, Israel has struck Qatar. Israeli PM Benjamin Ntnia, 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 2: who said the strike on the capital city Doha was 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: targeting Hamas leadership. Hamas has said none of its leaders 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: or ceasepy and negotiating team were killed, but six others were. 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: In today's episode, we'll explain the significance of the strike 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: and Qatar's relationship in the region. But first a quick 11 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 2: word from our sponsor. 12 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: Lussi. I'm sure that our listeners could already tell just 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: how much context there is here to unpack. We've spent 14 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: a lot of time over the past two years at least, 15 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: trying to put together the pieces of context in explaining 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: events happening in the Middle East. Yeah, for brevity and 17 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: for the best chance of understanding the key dynamics here, 18 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: why don't we start with the strike itself? So what 19 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,279 Speaker 1: do we know about this strike that Israel launched in Qatar? 20 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 2: So this was the first known strike by Israel on Qatar. 21 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 2: Israeli fighter planes struck a building in Doha, the capital, 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: on Tuesday afternoon local time. Hamas said the strike targeted 23 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: members of its ceasefire negotiations team, but that they survived. 24 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 2: The group said Israel had killed six people, five of 25 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: whom were associated with the group, including the son of 26 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 2: its chief negotiator and then Israeli PM Benjamin Natnya, who 27 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: posted soon after the strike saying Israel took quote full 28 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: responsibility for the strike. I think to make it clear 29 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: that this wasn't something that he had the US's help. 30 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: With, got it. And so in that statement from Netna 31 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: who did he give justification for why this strike took place? 32 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, he said it was quote fully justified because of 33 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: the seven October attack by Hamas on Israel and by 34 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: a shooting in Jerusalem earlier. 35 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: In the week, and so to kind of bring all 36 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: of that together, this strike on the negotiating team for 37 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: Hamas in the country of Katar was fully justified, in 38 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: Menaohu's words, because of the original seventh of October attack. 39 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: But perhaps the catalyst most recently is this shooting in Jerusalem. 40 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: Talk to me about that shooting. 41 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so those were both his kind of stated reasons, right, 42 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 2: And that shooting happened in Jerusalem earlier this week, to 43 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: gunman opened fire at a bus stop, killing six people. 44 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 2: They were reportedly shot dead by Israeli security forces at 45 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: the scene, and a third person was later arrested. The 46 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: shooting was at Ramot Junction, which is a major intersection 47 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: in an area that the International Court of Justice actually 48 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: considers illegally occupied by Israel. Hummas initially didn't take responsibility 49 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: for that shooting, but then overnight they announced, actually we 50 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: were responsible, that's what they said. 51 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: So this shooting happens in Israel, the second deadliest shooting 52 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 1: in Israel since October seven. It elicits a big response 53 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 1: from the government. But on Kamas, we know that it's 54 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: governed Gaza since the two thousands, This isn't new. Yeah, 55 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: why then were leaders based in Qatar? And can you 56 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: go a bit deeper on the relationship between Hamas and Katar. 57 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, So Hamas has had an office in Katar for 58 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: many years. It houses its political arm and obviously now 59 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: houses the negotiators between like Hamas's negotiators with Israel. Because 60 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: Qatar has been hosting and overseeing these negotiations since twenty 61 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: twenty three. Katari officials say this office was actually set 62 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: up with the support of the US, which is Israel's 63 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: closest ally and the aim of this was to set 64 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: up in direct lines of communication. This is actually a 65 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: very common thing that governments do. Governments will communicate with 66 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: each other or communicate with other groups in sort of 67 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: a roundabout or in direct way, because even if a 68 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: group or a country is in opposition to you, you 69 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: might still have reasons to talk to them. It's any 70 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: number of. 71 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: Well you might meet to in some situations. 72 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 73 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, So that idea of kind of having a country 74 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: with established frameworks for you to sit down at this 75 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: almost middle ground or neutral territory is valuable for governments 76 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: all over the world. 77 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, or to relay messages. So there's another example that 78 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: I can give, which is that Australia has recently closed 79 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: our embassy in the capital of Iran and Tehran. But 80 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that Australia is no longer talking to 81 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: Iran at all. Obviously there are plenty of Iranian Australians 82 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 2: who have ties there. And then the government also like 83 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: we can talk through other Western nations that still have 84 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: embassies there, because we might still have reasons to talk 85 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 2: to them. So this is just a very standard practice 86 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 2: that even if it's a regime or a group that 87 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 2: you might have prescribed as a terrorist organization, you might 88 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 2: still have to talk to them. So there's got to 89 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: be a way for that to happen. The other thing 90 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: I should touch on is that Qatar has given a 91 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: lot of funding to Gaza since that office was set 92 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: up in twenty twelve, and I mean a lot of money. 93 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: I'm talking like more than a billion US dollars. A 94 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 2: lot of that has gone to the government in Gaza, 95 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: which is run by Hamas as we know, and a 96 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: lot of international media outlets, and I truly mean international, 97 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 2: I mean international news wires, US media and Israeli media 98 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: all say Israel's government approved of and facilitated this funding 99 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: arrangement until October twenty twenty three. 100 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: And I think what you're painting is is very complex 101 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: picture where there's no real benefit in US trying to 102 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: frame this as a simple you know, SIDEAVERS, side B, 103 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: with side C in the middle. It is multi layered 104 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: and intertwined a bit like a very complicated diplomatic spider web. 105 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: So then explain to me the relationship then, so we 106 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: understand the relationship between Hamas and Katar, now what's the 107 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: relationship between Israel and Qatar. 108 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: So I've been talking before about indirect relationships, and this 109 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: is another one of those kind of relationships that's characterized 110 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: by indirect communication, often in the sense of Qatar's role 111 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 2: as mediators between Hamas and Israel. The groundwork for this role, 112 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 2: like the reason why Qatar kind of has taken on 113 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 2: this role as an international mediator is that was kind 114 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: of laid back in the nineteen nineties when Qatar pledged 115 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: its support for the nineteen ninety three Oslo Accords, which 116 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 2: were an early attempt at Arab Israeli peace at the time. 117 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: This was significant because in backing calls for there to 118 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: be a Palestinian state and an Israeli state, Qatar was 119 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: recognizing legally that the state of Israel. 120 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: Exists, one of the first Arab nations to do that. 121 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: So always been kind of a I like to think 122 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: about Qatar almost as a bit of a calm head 123 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood that can be a bit chaotic. 124 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. So then in nineteen ninety six, Qatar and Israel 125 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: normalzed the third legal term their relationship, which basically means 126 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 2: they set up diplomatic and economic ties. You might see 127 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: that word coming up again in future as more countries 128 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 2: kind of normalize relations with the new government of Syria, 129 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: for example. That is something that I expect to see 130 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: in coming months. In the ensuing years, there's been a 131 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: lot of ebbs and flows in terms of how strong 132 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: that relationship is. The nature of that relationship sometimes it's 133 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: been very public, sometimes it's been driven by kind of 134 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: indirect dealings, really depends on the situation. The end result 135 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: of this is that Qatar has been hosting negotiations between 136 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: Israel and Hamas since Hamas's attack on Israel, and I 137 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: mean really since the beginning. So for example, you might 138 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: remember the deal for a four day pause in November 139 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. That's when hostages taken by Hamas, primarily 140 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: women and children, were released in exchange for Palestinians held 141 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: in jails in Israel, also initially largely and children. And 142 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: just as a sort of side note, just for clarification's sake, 143 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: Israeli human rights group Betzalem has found Israeli authorities have 144 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 2: over the years detained thousands of Palestinians indefinitely in Israeli 145 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: jails without laying charges or without holding a trial. So 146 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: that's what we're talking about when we say prisoners. 147 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: And so Qatar's role in all of that, even in 148 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: those early days were talking a fortnite after that initial 149 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: attack by Hamas in Israel, was to be the host 150 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: and the facilitator of these talks. 151 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. That had direct impacts like hostages and people who'd 152 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: been held in prisons getting set free. 153 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: And so when you consider the fact that there are 154 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: still believed to be at least twenty hostages still held 155 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: by Hamas in Gaza that are alive, Yeah, that are alive, 156 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: about forty three I think still in possession of the group, 157 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: you can understand why Katar continues to play a role 158 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: because these negotiations are ongoing, yeah. 159 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: And they have borne some fruit. So that's why kind 160 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: of two years in Qatar is still a really important 161 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: part of that negotiation, regardless of what stage it's at. 162 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: And so these negotiations have been ongoing in Qatar. There's 163 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: now been a strike that Israel says it was targeting 164 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: the team of negotiators from Hamas. We don't know exactly 165 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 1: who was killed and where in Doha, But what will 166 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: happen to the talks then, because I imagine it's going 167 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: to be hard to kind of pick up and keep 168 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: going at least in the same location. 169 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean the talks had essentially stalled. The 170 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: latest update was over the weekend, US President Donald Trump 171 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: saying Israel had accepted the terms of a ceasefire and 172 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: hostage release deal, telling Hamas it was its last warning 173 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 2: to accept. Hamas said it was discussing ideas about the deal. 174 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 2: In terms of kind of the intractable nature of these negotiations. 175 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: Hamas is seeking a full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza. 176 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: Israel is seeking Hamas giving up its weapons and releasing 177 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 2: all the remaining hostages. It's hard to see a world 178 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: location wise where Katar continues hosting these talks. Obviously, there 179 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 2: was this Israeli strike that was targeting Hamas, but it 180 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: still had the impact of literally landing on Katari territory. 181 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: And you and I were discussing this morning, who would 182 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: volunteer to be a part of this. Egypt and the 183 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: US have been involved in negotiations of those two. The 184 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: US is part of NATO, the international military block, which 185 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: binds its members to go to war on each other's 186 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: behalf if they're attacked. I mean, this is hypothetically. It 187 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: seems very unlikely that Israel would strike its closest to ally, 188 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: even if it were targeting Hamas. But I think that 189 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: would probably rule out the US, just because of that 190 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: kind of binding obligation. Sure, but then again, as I said, 191 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: who would volunteer for the possibility of, after two years 192 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: of negotiations that you could be fired upon. There's also 193 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 2: the possibility that ceasefire negotiations would continue in a location 194 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: without Hamas present, But that would effectively make them illegitimate. 195 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: Which is kind of the conversations that we've been having 196 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: in the context of Russia and Ukraine. This idea of 197 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: Donald Trump discussing a ceasefire with Putin without Zelenski there 198 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: representing Ukraine kind of delegitimizes the hopes of a genuine ceasefire. 199 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: That sort of lenses now being applied here. 200 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then separately talking to Zelensky without Putin, got it, 201 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 2: and then stepping away and being like, Okay, you guys 202 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 2: choose a location and then that's been impossible. 203 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: And so the necessity of a third party I think 204 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: is pretty widely agreed upon from all sides. Ye. What 205 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: I've taken away from this story that I'm trying to 206 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: work through is trying to understand the nature of a 207 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: group in Gaza being controlled from outside the territory and 208 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: how that's all been set up. Is I think that 209 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: that hasn't been a topic that we've discussed a lot 210 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: in the two years since, and it's been really brought 211 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: into the spotlight with this labor strike. 212 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: Definitely. 213 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: Okay, well, that is a really complex one, Lucy and 214 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: I feel like we've been saying this for a couple 215 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: of years now, but we are going to need to 216 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: kind of understand what happened next. YEA, come back in 217 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: here and talk our audience through it. 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