Speaker 1: Gooday, this is Peter Helly.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you Ain't Seen Nothing Yet the movie podcast,
Speaker 2: where our chat to a movie lover about a classic
Speaker 2: or beloved movie they haven't quite got around to watching
Speaker 2: until now.
Speaker 1: In today's guests, comedian Danny McGinlay.
Speaker 3: Oh blow, I want to stay here with you.
Speaker 4: Than at the jobble.
Speaker 3: My hat snake shocked?
Speaker 5: Hiil it couldn't happening, right, You ain't seen nothing new.
Speaker 2: Not many comedians have premiership banner writer on their resume,
Speaker 2: but that ends today because Danny McGinlay, my guess, was
Speaker 2: the Bulldogs premiership banner writer in their premiership year.
Speaker 1: That's right, This hadn't been done before.
Speaker 2: Where the Bulldogs in the AFL in Australia austrain And
Speaker 2: Football League hired Danny McGinlay Bulldogs tragic and a great
Speaker 2: comedian to write their banners. Basically, the players doesn't really
Speaker 2: happen in other sports, but they run out unto the
Speaker 2: field through a massive wall of crepe paper and on
Speaker 2: that massive wall of crepe paper there's a message and
Speaker 2: Danny wrote the messages.
Speaker 1: They went viral.
Speaker 2: They became what supporters would talk about, you know, in
Speaker 2: pubs around the country. It was a huge thing and
Speaker 2: kind of contributed to the feel good story that the Bulldogs.
Speaker 1: Were in that year.
Speaker 2: I've known Dann him for many years, for over two
Speaker 2: decades where since he's been doing stand up comedy. He
Speaker 2: is such a fun guy to be around. He might
Speaker 2: have seen him on Utopia. You may have seen him
Speaker 2: in Damien Callenon's movie The Merger. You would have send
Speaker 2: him in clubs around the country. You can follow Danny
Speaker 2: on Instagram. He's got a YouTube channel as well, Danny McGinlay.
Speaker 2: And also coming up, he's got this really interesting project.
Speaker 2: He's working on, Shakespeare Ghostbusters.
Speaker 1: That's right, the two.
Speaker 2: Words you never thought you'd hear, back to back Shakespeare Ghostbusters,
Speaker 2: where they will perform Ghostbusters in the tradition and the
Speaker 2: language of Shakespeare. I cannot wait to check it out.
Speaker 2: It's a follow up to Shakespeare Aliens. Amazing stuff. So
Speaker 2: check Danny out there. Danny is smart, he's funny, and
Speaker 2: he's always great company. And I'm bloody stoked to be
Speaker 2: hanging with him today.
Speaker 6: Good day, I'm Danny McGinlay. My three favorite films are Armageddon, Run.
Speaker 5: Everyone, Get Off the Nuclear Warfare all right.
Speaker 1: Just wanted to feel the power.
Speaker 3: But you're my legs brother, kaz a Blanca.
Speaker 4: He's looking at you, kid.
Speaker 3: And hot fuzz.
Speaker 5: Sojio Popwell was an exceptional officer, truly exceptional.
Speaker 3: I mean he had one thing you haven't got.
Speaker 1: What's that, sir?
Speaker 7: A great big bushy beard.
Speaker 3: And until last night I had not seen double indemnity.
Speaker 8: Sure I got good eyesight. You mean you want him
Speaker 8: to have the policy without him knowing it. That means
Speaker 8: without the insurance company knowing that he doesn't know it.
Speaker 8: That's a setup, isn't it?
Speaker 7: Is there anything wrong with it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 8: I think it's lovely that if some dark wet night,
Speaker 8: the crown block did fall on him. Only sometimes it
Speaker 8: can't quite make it on its own. It has to
Speaker 8: have a little help.
Speaker 7: I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 8: Of course, it doesn't have to be a crown block.
Speaker 8: It can be a car backing over, wreck it far
Speaker 8: the upstairs window, any little thing like that. Just so
Speaker 8: it's a morg job.
Speaker 7: Are you crazy?
Speaker 4: Not that crazy? Good bye? Miss?
Speaker 7: What's the matter?
Speaker 1: Look?
Speaker 4: Baby, you can't get away with it. You want to
Speaker 4: knock them.
Speaker 1: Off, don't you.
Speaker 7: That's a horrible thing to say.
Speaker 8: What do you think I was anyway? The guy that
Speaker 8: walks into a good looking Dames front parlor and says,
Speaker 8: good afternoon. I sell accident insurance on husbands. You got
Speaker 8: when that's been around too long? When you'd like to
Speaker 8: turn into a little hard cash, just give me a
Speaker 8: smile and I'll have to collect.
Speaker 4: Why what a dope you must think I am.
Speaker 7: I think you're right.
Speaker 4: I think you're swell as long as I'm not your husband.
Speaker 7: Get out of here.
Speaker 4: You better get out of here, baby, I get out
Speaker 4: of here, but quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, baby.
Speaker 2: Consider one of the great, if not the greatest film
Speaker 2: in the why of all time. It's got voiceover shadows,
Speaker 2: many suits, calling women baby dames and doll, a fan
Speaker 2: for tile, and of course it has murder. When insurance
Speaker 2: salesman Walter Neff played by the Dad from My Three Sons,
Speaker 2: Fred McMurray in cannas the married Phyllis Dietrickson barbars Stenwick,
Speaker 2: he lets his professionalism slip a little by getting his wagon.
Speaker 2: Before too long, the two of them are professing their
Speaker 2: love and planning on murdering Phyllis's supposedly abusive husband. Of course,
Speaker 2: murders are notoriously hard to get away with. I am
Speaker 2: yet to nail one perfectly. Walter's boss Keys played brilliantly
Speaker 2: by Edward G.
Speaker 1: Robinson.
Speaker 2: He's a bloodhound when it comes to fake insurance claims,
Speaker 2: and when he gets a sniff, he can't keep his
Speaker 2: nose out of it. Co Written by legends Raymond Chandler
Speaker 2: and Billy Wilder, who also directed, based on the book
Speaker 2: by James En Kane, ninety forty four is Doubling Demnity
Speaker 2: has crackling whip, smart dialogue, twist and turns, and great performances.
Speaker 2: Nominated for seven Oscars. He went home, though empty handed.
Speaker 2: Danny McGinlay assure insurance policy up to date.
Speaker 3: Mine is not no.
Speaker 6: I've long believed insurance as a massive scam. And what
Speaker 6: I do is I just save money and then when
Speaker 6: the bad things happen, I've got a little nest egg
Speaker 6: to just use. So, yeah, my wife could just kill
Speaker 6: me and take the money.
Speaker 1: I love my wife dearly be married twenty years this year.
Speaker 2: Bridge and whatever the idea of life insurance or you know,
Speaker 2: income protection, you know, insurance kind of comes up there.
Speaker 1: There's like one percent of my brain that just goes.
Speaker 6: Apparently every true crime podcast as soon as the partner
Speaker 6: takes out life insurance run.
Speaker 2: It is a weird conversation to have, but each to
Speaker 2: their own. Danimigin Lay, welcome to you and see nothing yet.
Speaker 2: Great to have you on board.
Speaker 3: Thank you, what a great pot. It's exciting to be
Speaker 3: on here.
Speaker 1: Mate.
Speaker 2: We often have chatted about movies over the years, and
Speaker 2: I know you're a big centerphile. When I approached you
Speaker 2: about this, you told me you were actually kind of
Speaker 2: doing something similar. There's what we're doing on the podcast.
Speaker 2: You are working through a list of films.
Speaker 6: That's right, the IMDb Top two fifty. When I was
Speaker 6: when my wife first fell pregnant to our firstborn. Obviously,
Speaker 6: there's no one more delusional than a first time dad
Speaker 6: when his partner's pregnant.
Speaker 3: I talked to so many young.
Speaker 6: Idiots who my favorite phrase is, I'm going to start
Speaker 6: a podcast about dadding.
Speaker 1: Are you mate?
Speaker 3: A really?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Everyone's going to want to listen to that, Oh definitely.
Speaker 6: But my thing was I was going to watch all
Speaker 6: two hundred and fifty of the IMDb Top two to fifty.
Speaker 6: My son is now nine, he's still got seventy to go.
Speaker 6: I've done Okay, that's pretty good. Yeah, and considering a
Speaker 6: lot of them are slogs, a lot of them are
Speaker 6: very long.
Speaker 3: Very worthy films.
Speaker 6: Yes. I was doing it with my wife early on,
Speaker 6: watching the films, but she bailed after we watched Grave
Speaker 6: of the Fireflies, which if you've not seen, is that
Speaker 6: not It's a nineteen eighty eight anime film ultimately about
Speaker 6: two orphans that starve to death. It is so depressing.
Speaker 6: It's really well made, of course, but it is so depressing.
Speaker 6: And because once you have kids, you cry more in films.
Speaker 6: Oh yes, I remember when my son was about a
Speaker 6: week old and I was doing a feed at two am.
Speaker 3: And this is our long ago. It was Pete. I
Speaker 3: had Foxtel and it was.
Speaker 6: One of those magical months where they gave you movies
Speaker 6: for free. So I was taking advantage that I was
Speaker 6: feeding and hiding his face from the screen because you know,
Speaker 6: it's bad for baby sea screen. But I was watching
Speaker 6: and Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure was on one of
Speaker 6: my favorite films, and the scene where you know, if
Speaker 6: you don't know Bill and Ted, they go back in
Speaker 6: time and get all these historical figures so they can
Speaker 6: do a history test and pass it so they can
Speaker 6: go on to be the biggest band in the universe.
Speaker 6: There's a scene where they accidentally go to the future
Speaker 6: and they are worshiped by these futuristic people for being
Speaker 6: the best band ever. And I watched it and realized
Speaker 6: this was the first time that these two characters had
Speaker 6: ever had anyone.
Speaker 1: Believe in them.
Speaker 6: And I'm balls for half an hour holding my son,
Speaker 6: my newborns I'm going you matter, I.
Speaker 1: Believe in you.
Speaker 2: It's so funny because it's so true that when you
Speaker 2: have kids, you do become more emotional in films. I
Speaker 2: noticed it particularly though, when there are kids involved like that.
Speaker 1: And I've mentioned on this podcast before.
Speaker 2: I watched a move with the Rock and it's one
Speaker 2: of his early stuff when, like you know, he was
Speaker 2: just making the same film over and over again, like
Speaker 2: the Tooth Fairy, Tooth Fairy or Yeah, it was either
Speaker 2: that a walking Toll. I actually forget which one it was,
Speaker 2: to be honest, because I've tried to kind of erase it.
Speaker 1: From my memory.
Speaker 2: But I remember like not just like welling up, but
Speaker 2: there were like tears streaming down my cheeks. I think
Speaker 2: I think one of his kids has his daughter has
Speaker 2: an anaplectic reaction or something, and my son has had
Speaker 2: through most of it now and flect, so that obviously
Speaker 2: hit a chord. But yeah, I like it. I like
Speaker 2: embracing you know, the emotion.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a certain funness in leaning into primal int
Speaker 6: I remember once I took my daughter to the zoo
Speaker 6: and we went to the tiger enclosure at Melbourne Zooh
Speaker 6: there's glass, but the tiger walked right up to her.
Speaker 6: And the primal instinct when a predator is attached walking
Speaker 6: towards your child.
Speaker 1: Is to push him towards the tiger.
Speaker 3: Yeah's right, yeah, and I'm going to run. But it
Speaker 3: was genuinely I was about to.
Speaker 6: I felt a part of me wanting to punch that tiger,
Speaker 6: and I was like, oh that's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: We had one where at school we we suspected that
Speaker 2: one of our boys was being bullying. Is our oldest
Speaker 2: so first and we just suspected it, had no proof,
Speaker 2: and I wanted I almost turned al capone.
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to fucking Bernie's house to
Speaker 1: fucking ground. Who is his kid?
Speaker 2: Like I was, I don't care how old he is,
Speaker 2: He's liken straight I'm going for him, coming for you,
Speaker 2: And obviously I didn't do anything, and it turned out
Speaker 2: he wasn't.
Speaker 3: Everything was just I was bullying them.
Speaker 2: Well, we didn't how to say married about that actually,
Speaker 2: where we thought that Chloe was being bullied and got
Speaker 2: all righteous about it and then it's like, oh no,
Speaker 2: she's the actual bully.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah. And so movie has always been a
Speaker 1: big part of the in the Migdinlay family.
Speaker 3: Definitely.
Speaker 8: Yes.
Speaker 6: My parents' first date was to see The Spy Who
Speaker 6: Loved Me. So movies have been because I'm active on IMDb.
Speaker 6: Every film I see, I go in.
Speaker 3: I read it.
Speaker 6: I read the reviews, I read the trivia, I read
Speaker 6: the great quotes I love. That's actually my favorite part
Speaker 6: of watching a film is going on IMDb afterwards. I
Speaker 6: have watched at last count something like twelve hundred films.
Speaker 1: Wow, so you've cataloged.
Speaker 3: I've cataloged them all.
Speaker 6: Every time I see a film, I put it on
Speaker 6: there because yah, you forget so many of them. Absolutely,
Speaker 6: And when I was a young comedian, I managed video shops.
Speaker 6: I managed to Video Busters and then to Video Easy.
Speaker 3: So I have no.
Speaker 6: Day job to fall back on, so I need this
Speaker 6: to work well. But I miss the video shop. I
Speaker 6: miss I missed the actual marketing of films. I get
Speaker 6: really sad that, you know, now we're in this, films
Speaker 6: are just seen so disposable and there's no there's like
Speaker 6: apart from I think the last film that everyone sort
Speaker 6: of knew was coming out and was a big event
Speaker 6: would be Avengers Endgame. I think, yeah, there's been really
Speaker 6: no like, yeah, the Star Wars is have come and gone.
Speaker 6: I guess Fast and the Furious ten. I did see that.
Speaker 6: I saw it with Ross Noble.
Speaker 2: Now it is one of the most ridiculous films I've
Speaker 2: ever seen in a good way.
Speaker 1: In it Like, I left and I said, it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 2: And I didn't seen one since my Tokyo Drift, which
Speaker 2: is like the second one. That's when I gave up, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I was like, they can't do anything more with
Speaker 2: cars and they went to the moon apparently in the
Speaker 2: last one, so ludicrous took a car to the moon.
Speaker 2: But I just said, once you like this, go now,
Speaker 2: this is this is ridiculous. It's soppy. Yeah, but they
Speaker 2: know exactly what they're doing.
Speaker 6: Yes, it's like John Wick, Yeah, John Wick is pawn,
Speaker 6: but instead of having sex, they fight. Yeah, there's no storyline,
Speaker 6: it's just he walks in. I'm here to clean the
Speaker 6: pool bag back back back.
Speaker 2: But once you know, you feel like I talk about
Speaker 2: this podcasts a lot, when you feel like you're in
Speaker 2: safe hands, you know, watching a film, and I think
Speaker 2: in Fastthan I just kind of went. There's the early
Speaker 2: scenes where they're all having a barbeker every like shot
Speaker 2: of Vin Diesel in the first twenty minutes of that film.
Speaker 2: He's almost got the same look in his hand. He's
Speaker 2: this contentment, you know, like looking, you know, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm happy. I've got a family, and it's all about family.
Speaker 2: It's all family. Family.
Speaker 6: I had a rumor that that Vin Diesel is actually
Speaker 6: a huge Dungeons and Dragons fan.
Speaker 1: I think that's true, and this is.
Speaker 6: His Dungeons and Dragons, Like he's got his you know,
Speaker 6: the person who's the wizard, the person who's the I
Speaker 6: don't know, duneonstray, someone's a major, I don't know what
Speaker 6: a major, which I can help you out, and someone's
Speaker 6: a night and they but they just go on a
Speaker 6: different adventure every film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, And that's so I dig that.
Speaker 6: If someone gave me tickets said you want to go
Speaker 6: watch Faster and Furious tend, of course.
Speaker 1: I would, you know, it was fun.
Speaker 2: I'd stop for a beer first, probably have three pints. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I have to be here during them. Actually yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: just the one.
Speaker 6: Actually, the last film I saw at the cinema was
Speaker 6: Jurassic Park six with my son. Had three pints beforehand,
Speaker 6: needed for I was a bit too sober for the
Speaker 6: last ten minutes. I shall tell you this. With Jurassic
Speaker 6: Park six, I don't know if your boys were ever
Speaker 6: scared in films at weird moments?
Speaker 1: Well, et was the one that really freaked my order.
Speaker 1: Yeah a long time, okay, and.
Speaker 3: I've not shown my kids that one.
Speaker 6: My boy I thought when he was like six, he was,
Speaker 6: you know, into dinosaurs, as all boys are, and I
Speaker 6: remember showing him scenes on YouTube of just herbivores because
Speaker 6: I thought he was.
Speaker 3: I thought he was a sensitive kid.
Speaker 6: But then it accidentally went on to raptors about to
Speaker 6: eat Alan Grant and a t rex appeared Nate the raptor.
Speaker 3: And he went, yeah, do you want to see more scary? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 6: So then eventually he watched all of them. I took
Speaker 6: him to see Jurassic Park six. Was fine with people
Speaker 6: getting their faces ripped off by dinosaurs.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 6: There's one scene s Park six, it's so badly written
Speaker 6: where Alan, Grant and Ellie are infiltrating an evil laboratory,
Speaker 6: and it's so badly written. The two guys like, oh,
Speaker 6: just hang around here, just don't go in that room.
Speaker 6: You're not allowed in that room. And of course he
Speaker 6: goes a bit they go in that room. My point
Speaker 6: dand at me just turned to me petrifoning with they're
Speaker 6: not allowed.
Speaker 1: He loves the blood, he loves the violence, but he
Speaker 1: is a rule man.
Speaker 3: He's a rules man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that is awesome.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about your three favorite films before we come
Speaker 2: back and talk about Double Indemnity. I can't wait to
Speaker 2: find out what you thought of it. But you had
Speaker 2: three films. Armageddon kicks us off controversial, Y yeah, I
Speaker 2: do know for somebody who worked their way through the
Speaker 2: top is working their way through the top two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty films, and I am dB.
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting I'm again to be there.
Speaker 6: No, it's a truly magical film that is misunderstood by
Speaker 6: most people who see it.
Speaker 3: It's one of the greatest.
Speaker 6: Dead pan comedies ever made, and it's such a deadpan comedy.
Speaker 6: Michael Bay, the director, doesn't realize he's making a comedy.
Speaker 6: The script is written by jj Abrams, who throws in
Speaker 6: joke after joke after joke, but Michael Bay misses all
Speaker 6: of them and it's weird. Bruce Willis, Live Tyler and
Speaker 6: Ben Affleck play it as if it's a you know,
Speaker 6: Richard the Third Shakespeare romance Love Triangle, almost general hospital
Speaker 6: style vibe. But Billy, Bob Thornton, Jason Isaacs, Peter Storm Mayer,
Speaker 6: Steve BESHEMI all play it like a comedy, but play
Speaker 6: it deadpan. And I don't think it could have worked
Speaker 6: if Michael Bay knew it was a comedy. If we've
Speaker 6: played as a comedy, that would have been mugging to
Speaker 6: the camera. But they just catch lightning in a bottle
Speaker 6: with this amazing jokes, all told completely stony faced, and
Speaker 6: it's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Because it comes out around the time of Independence Day
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: I remember a few years.
Speaker 6: Later this is my X men power. When I managed
Speaker 6: the video shop. Whenever you scanned the disc or the tape,
Speaker 6: the title and the year came up, so I know
Speaker 6: all release years encyclopedically ninety eight.
Speaker 2: Fantastic So and the Independence Day is the amazing where
Speaker 2: the President flies into Is that Bill Paxton?
Speaker 1: Is that Bill Benson?
Speaker 6: Bill Paxton or Bill Pullman? I'm pretty sure it's paxsy
Speaker 6: it woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, God resting and so that that's Independence Days
Speaker 2: and Armageddon is Aerosmith don't want to miss a thing
Speaker 2: that is in there?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yep, got a great soundtrack.
Speaker 6: There's a few Aerosmith songs in there, a lot do
Speaker 6: you want to You know, when you get people who
Speaker 6: don't get your favorite film and they have a complaint,
Speaker 6: that is so dumb. And one a lot of people's
Speaker 6: complaints is there's a scene where Ben Affleck and Live Tyler,
Speaker 6: you know, making out whilst Aerosmiths don't want to miss
Speaker 6: the thing as playing, and people got her Dad's just
Speaker 6: singing whilst they're making out. It's like he's not in
Speaker 6: the room, He's not their live singing along.
Speaker 1: That is so funny.
Speaker 2: I had a friend at school who was a big
Speaker 2: bon Jovi fan growing up, of course, and they were
Speaker 2: were yeah, exactly secretly you know, everyone is. And they
Speaker 2: they had a song cale lay Your Hands on Me,
Speaker 2: which off the New Jersey album, which is the follow
Speaker 2: up the Slippery when Wet their massive album, and the
Speaker 2: film clip it was basically them in concert, some with crowd,
Speaker 2: some in an empty kind of stadium, but it's a
Speaker 2: big lead up and then John and Joe comes through
Speaker 2: the yes floor of the stage.
Speaker 6: It's almost like almost like get smart phone booth elevator
Speaker 6: in revert.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it was super cool. I love a parrotechnics
Speaker 2: act obviously. But my friend said, you guys don't like that.
Speaker 2: I said, did you see the video? Because back these days, watching,
Speaker 2: you know, watching the videos was like a big thing.
Speaker 2: It was you caught them and they were like, there's
Speaker 2: obviously a bit of hype around this one as well.
Speaker 3: You had video Smash Hits on a Saturday morning to
Speaker 3: watch that.
Speaker 2: He had to record it, make your own VHS tapes
Speaker 2: and and he said, no, I don't like it. In fact,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I like bun Job anyway. So why
Speaker 2: not because the video doesn't make sense? I said, what
Speaker 2: do you mean? It doesn't make sense? It's like a
Speaker 2: performance Forde there, it's a concert video basically, and sometimes
Speaker 2: this stadium goes yeah. But like one moment he's wearing
Speaker 2: this outfit and then the next thing he's not wearing
Speaker 2: this outfit. It's like I said, oh my god, you
Speaker 2: don't understand, and I remember, it's like a twelve thirteen
Speaker 2: year old. There is getting so like John to explain
Speaker 2: that it's not like they're not trying to tell a
Speaker 2: linear story here, it's it's videos.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's there's so many flaws to that argument. You
Speaker 6: don't know where to start exactly.
Speaker 1: So you gotta go.
Speaker 2: I'm just never discussing anything with you ever. Again, you're
Speaker 2: on the blacklist.
Speaker 6: And a lot of people do criticize Armagedin by saying
Speaker 6: because apparently there's a famous story. It's on the director's commentary.
Speaker 6: About halfway through filming. Ben Affleck said to Michael Bay,
Speaker 6: why wouldn't they just train astronauts how to drill? And
Speaker 6: Michael Bay went shut up, which is a great answer, But.
Speaker 1: They do it.
Speaker 6: They do say that in the film, Like the reason
Speaker 6: NASA approaches Bruce Willis is they've said they stole his
Speaker 6: designs for his drills, and they've said we've been training
Speaker 6: these astronauts and they can't do and he's going, yeah,
Speaker 6: of course not because you've designed it wrong. That's upside
Speaker 6: Let me guess you've been shredding all of the drill shafts. Yeah,
Speaker 6: because that's upside down. And then you just say, look,
Speaker 6: you can't teach guys to drill. It's in your blood.
Speaker 6: I need my guys.
Speaker 3: I can't explain it.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's as long as I mean, the explansion
Speaker 2: should be is as water tight as it can possibly
Speaker 2: hope to be. That's your raime as the writer. But
Speaker 2: as long as they've a dressed any elephants in the room,
Speaker 2: I think so. Yeah, I think that's you know, a
Speaker 2: tick so.
Speaker 6: And the way they ignore every other country, it's just America.
Speaker 3: The rest of the world is just looking.
Speaker 6: And there's my favorite, probably one of my favorite lines
Speaker 6: in cinema, which is a phrase I say way too
Speaker 6: much if my top ten has about one hundred lines.
Speaker 6: But Peter storm Mayor, who plays the Russian cosmonaut on
Speaker 6: the ISS, who's gone a bit loopy towards the end
Speaker 6: when everything's going badly and they've got they're trying to
Speaker 6: finally blow it up. But they're going, oh, this is
Speaker 6: these are Russian components. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 6: He goes American components, Russian components.
Speaker 3: All made in Taiwan, and then he just whacks it
Speaker 3: with a wrench and it works.
Speaker 2: I may have to visit again, and I recommend look
Speaker 2: at it through the prism of being a comedy man.
Speaker 6: Even the first shot is the title appears and then
Speaker 6: blows up right, it's fun Yeah.
Speaker 2: I did have a moment watching Fast ten, which kind
Speaker 2: of it is funny that you bring Mageddon into it,
Speaker 2: because I did gotta go. Sometimes you have to let
Speaker 2: go of your you know, like, know what movie you're
Speaker 2: watching and if you're going to see Fast ten or Armageddon,
Speaker 2: your I can brain out of your head and enjoy it.
Speaker 3: How are you?
Speaker 1: And there's a skill on there's art still to this.
Speaker 2: You know, yes it's mainstream and it but it's it's
Speaker 2: still there's artists who are doing that's what That's what
Speaker 2: I was watching Fast and going. There are artists who
Speaker 2: have done incredible work on this movie. Lastly the writers,
Speaker 2: but the visual effects and stunt drivers.
Speaker 6: And choreography of fighting and even to come up with
Speaker 6: these ideas and you know, how do we do that?
Speaker 3: This is how we do it?
Speaker 6: Amazing, even one of my greatest moments in cinema arguing.
Speaker 6: I had a long time fight with one of my
Speaker 6: best mates, Shane, who loves movies as much as me.
Speaker 6: He was always convinced Conair was a terrible film, and
Speaker 6: I Connair is like again, is a comedy, but they
Speaker 6: play it like an Actually, they're going, how dumb can
Speaker 6: we make this film? And then we finally I convinced
Speaker 6: him to watch it. After five years we've been at
Speaker 6: the pub, I went back to his place, we put
Speaker 6: it on and about halfway through went, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 3: This is fun.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: If you like this, it's just sometimes just flicking out
Speaker 2: little switch or turning that switch off in your head,
Speaker 2: perhaps more accurately Casa Blanca. Yes, I watched this for
Speaker 2: the first time for this podcast with Nikki Brittain Man.
Speaker 3: What I'm almost envious to watch it for the first time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty It was pretty great and obviously
Speaker 2: a great film, one of those credible films obviously of
Speaker 2: all time. Humphrey Bogart Instellar form Why do you love Cass?
Speaker 1: Why do I love it?
Speaker 6: I think one of the main reasons I tell people
Speaker 6: who haven't seen it is the real surprising thing about
Speaker 6: Casa Blanca is the jokes are still hilarious eighty years later.
Speaker 6: Captain Reno is so funny. He's the corrupt French official
Speaker 6: and he's just so unscrupulous. He's like Daffy Duck the
Speaker 6: way that he's just always trying to get ahead. But
Speaker 6: you like him, you're on his side. And it's a
Speaker 6: great story of and my year eleven teacher, mister Barlow
Speaker 6: loved Casablanca and showed us to teach us about World
Speaker 6: War Two, and he explained everything why and every person
Speaker 6: is a country in World War Two at that time,
Speaker 6: Rick had the isolationist policy which they'd had in World
Speaker 6: War start of World War One. That Woodrow Wilson pushed
Speaker 6: forward of you know, hey, just take care of ourselves
Speaker 6: because they're only eighty years out of a civil war
Speaker 6: at that stage. That's why the I don't stick my
Speaker 6: neck out for nobody. And Captain Reno is France, who
Speaker 6: are a bit you know, European and have capitulated to
Speaker 6: the Germans a bit. That Captain General Strausser, who's the
Speaker 6: evil German, who's just very straight laced. And then you've
Speaker 6: got the other countries. Victor Laslow is Czechoslovakia, fighting a
Speaker 6: good fight but needs other people's help. Ilsa is Sweden,
Speaker 6: who ocn't say what did they do in World War Two?
Speaker 6: They're one of those countries that we sort of go,
Speaker 6: we won't ask. And it was a message to America
Speaker 6: to join the war at that stage. This was I
Speaker 6: assumed some Jewish writers saying, hey, get in there, our
Speaker 6: people are being killed, get in there, and that was
Speaker 6: a way to convince American audiences maybe we should join
Speaker 6: the fight the way Rick does at the very end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's because what really occurred to Nicky and I
Speaker 2: I didn't have that insight as far as being like
Speaker 2: an analogy, but the fact they're making this during.
Speaker 6: At the start of in nineteen forty one, so Pearl
Speaker 6: Harbor hadn't happened yet. That's December seven, nineteen forty two,
Speaker 6: I think, which so it came out Kazablank's nine forty three,
Speaker 6: so they would have been making it in Pearl Harbor
Speaker 6: to happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's incredible to have.
Speaker 2: Usually what happens even now, usually it takes us a
Speaker 2: few years to be ready to deal with a war.
Speaker 2: Even if a movie does get made, it usually doesn't
Speaker 2: succeed if it's made too close.
Speaker 1: We need a little bit of time and distance.
Speaker 2: The fact that they're doing this, and we always kind
Speaker 2: of consider modern movie making more cutting edge and more
Speaker 2: daring than you know, what's gone on eighty years before.
Speaker 1: But to be doing that during that time, it was.
Speaker 6: Pretty amazing edgy. And also they were just no one
Speaker 6: expected it to be a hit. They were just churning
Speaker 6: it out. It was one of about probably fifty films
Speaker 6: they all worked on that year, and they just went, ah,
Speaker 6: let's tell this story. And it's such a It's definitely
Speaker 6: a beautiful story. But the thing that I'm always surprised
Speaker 6: by is how much I laugh when I watch it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: It's not as funny as I'm again not actually.
Speaker 6: We mentioned peerl that's Michael Bay doing a straight action
Speaker 6: film and it's it's dull and schmaltzy and and not
Speaker 6: fun whereas again there's jokes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't realize it.
Speaker 1: It's a good comparison.
Speaker 2: Hot Fuzz is the follow up to Shawn of the
Speaker 2: Dead the Corneto trilogy, Yes, the second film in that
Speaker 2: by Edgar Wright and of course Simon Pegg. Why why
Speaker 2: Hot fuzz I love Hot farz. It sounds like I'm
Speaker 2: critiquing your all right, why hot over Shawan of the
Speaker 2: Dead Because.
Speaker 6: There's a couple of couple of reasons. One is I
Speaker 6: loved zombie films. I was a zombie film absolute nerd.
Speaker 6: When I was at the video shop. I watched every
Speaker 6: single zombie film that ever came even Diary of the Dead,
Speaker 6: George Romero's I think fifth film in his Night of
Speaker 6: the Living Dead series, which was one of the worst
Speaker 6: films you'll ever see.
Speaker 3: A Return of the.
Speaker 6: Living Dead, I watched one through five. Returning Dead is
Speaker 6: one of the great horror films. In the zombies run
Speaker 6: and you can't kill them, you have to burn them
Speaker 6: till there's nothing left. So it is a real, really bleak,
Speaker 6: horrible But that's also the Return Living Dead was the
Speaker 6: one where they explained why zombies brains because they can
Speaker 6: feel themselves decompose, and eating brains dulls the pain for
Speaker 6: a little bit, and that's why they're so desperate. It's brilliant.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I was an absolute zombie film Net. And I
Speaker 6: loved Shawna the Dead. It's an absolute brilliant film, but
Speaker 6: the last third I felt went down too many similar
Speaker 6: zombie traits, which I don't like in zombie films. In
Speaker 6: the bleakness, having to shoot his mum, her mum not
Speaker 6: telling him that they've been bit and I'm like, ah,
Speaker 6: this is hack.
Speaker 3: Come on, guys, just started so well. I thought you
Speaker 3: were going to.
Speaker 6: Have a new idea with it, and then yeah, so
Speaker 6: I just I didn't really love the ending of Shawna
Speaker 6: the Dead. Whereas Hot Fuzz is when you ask your
Speaker 6: top three films, I say everyone has three favorite films.
Speaker 6: The film that you say to impress people, that's Kasablanket,
Speaker 6: the film you watch when you've had a few beers
Speaker 6: and don't want to go to bed yet again, Yeah, thankfully,
Speaker 6: Armageddon's a lot on Free to Wear a lot, so
Speaker 6: I can come in halfway through and doesn't matter where
Speaker 6: I start.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 6: And the film that you can watch again and again
Speaker 6: and again, and every time you watch it you notice
Speaker 6: something new, and that's Hot Fuzz. It is a goddamn masterpiece.
Speaker 6: There is so many little nuggets of fun that every
Speaker 6: time I watch, I go, oh, that's like a simple thing.
Speaker 3: I noticed on my probably my eighth viewing.
Speaker 6: There's a scene where Simon Pegg and Nicholas Frost are
Speaker 6: just going through all the victims. And you know, Simon
Speaker 6: Peg plays the straight, lace, brilliant detective who's just trying
Speaker 6: to get it and Nick Frost is the idiot to
Speaker 6: the side. Nick Frost says all so he says, what
Speaker 6: about Eve Draper and he goes had an annoying laugh.
Speaker 6: He's just saying little things about them, that is all
Speaker 6: he knows. He's trying to help. Later on, it's revealed
Speaker 6: everything Nick Frost has said is the real reason they died,
Speaker 6: the motives given by the killers. Wow, it's just and
Speaker 6: you wouldn't notice that until you've seen it that many times.
Speaker 2: I mean, Simon Pegg is he's very enjoyable on screen,
Speaker 2: but I do think Nick Frost gives those films such
Speaker 2: heart as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he's so he wants to help and he's
Speaker 6: he's almost like Edgar Wright who loves cinema and he's
Speaker 6: in there. He's he's telling the love story to the
Speaker 6: lethal weapons and bad boys and all those point break
Speaker 6: all those films that you and I grew up watching
Speaker 6: as well. It's also just ain't squarely at you and me. Yes, yes,
Speaker 6: absolutely it was, but it's I just love and World's
Speaker 6: End is so underrated. That is a that's an absolute masterpiece. Well,
Speaker 6: I actually put Seawana's Third in the list.
Speaker 1: Because the colon that a trilogy. What is the third
Speaker 1: World's End? It is World's End?
Speaker 2: Right, yes, because they may he made I think Scott Pilgrim,
Speaker 2: I think, yes, between they run in order, I thought
Speaker 2: they'd give right, maybe went off and made it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know they didn't do it one bang bang bang. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I think he made Scott Pilgrim versus the World in there,
Speaker 6: which I remember liking, but I've never revisited.
Speaker 1: No, I'm the same. Actually, I saw a bit of
Speaker 1: it just you know.
Speaker 2: Ten minutes is on on the TV, and I watched
Speaker 2: about ten minutes and I thought to myself, I should
Speaker 2: go back and revisit that because I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: my head was in the right space where I'm not
Speaker 2: sure what my expectations were for the film.
Speaker 3: We weren't familiar with the original.
Speaker 6: It's a comic, I think so, Yeah, I'm not a
Speaker 6: comic guy, so I don't know didn't know what it was,
Speaker 6: but I still had fun.
Speaker 2: I think I was more coming from it as a
Speaker 2: Michael sarah aresa development fan, going oh this would be
Speaker 2: good and his egg right, Okay, let's do this and
Speaker 2: then yeah, I will go back and watch that again.
Speaker 8: Harvest memorandum, well enough to biden Keys, claims manager, Los Angeles,
Speaker 8: July sixteenth, nineteen thirty eight. Their keys. I suppose you'll
Speaker 8: call us a confession when you hear it. Well, I
Speaker 8: don't like the word confession. I just want to set
Speaker 8: you right about something you couldn't see because of a
Speaker 8: smack up against your nose.
Speaker 4: You think you're such a hot potato as a claims manager, such.
Speaker 8: A wolf on a horny claim. Maybe are Let's take
Speaker 8: a look at that Ditrichson claim, accident double indemnity. You
Speaker 8: were pretty good in there for a while.
Speaker 1: Keys.
Speaker 8: He said it wasn't an accident. Check, he said it
Speaker 8: wasn't suicide. Check he said it was murder.
Speaker 7: Check.
Speaker 8: You thought you had a cold, didn't you All wrapped
Speaker 8: up in tissue paper with pink ribbons around it. It
Speaker 8: was perfect, except it wasn't because you made one mistake,
Speaker 8: just one little mistake, when it came to picking the killer.
Speaker 8: You picked the wrong guy. You want to know who
Speaker 8: killed Didrickson? Pull tight to that cheap cigar of yours keys?
Speaker 8: I killed Didrickson?
Speaker 4: Maybe?
Speaker 8: All En f insurance sales, thirty five years old, unmarried,
Speaker 8: no visible scars.
Speaker 4: Until a while ago.
Speaker 3: There is.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 8: I killed him, killed him for money for a woman.
Speaker 4: I didhim get the money and I didn't get the woman.
Speaker 1: Ninety four.
Speaker 2: Billy Wilder directed it, co wrote it with the great
Speaker 2: Raymond Chandler, starring, of course, Fred McMurray, Barbara Stanwick danimin Lay.
Speaker 1: Did you enjoy Double Indemnity?
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 6: I loved it hard, Oh good fun, so fun my wife.
Speaker 6: I watched it with my wife last night. She's a
Speaker 6: big Raymond Chandler fan. Now I would actually I wish
Speaker 6: I could look up. In fact, I will did he
Speaker 6: write any other films?
Speaker 1: Because I know he was new to screenwriting.
Speaker 3: I knew he was new to it. But did he
Speaker 3: do any after there was? Because he Yeah, I'll.
Speaker 6: Admit, the final third doesn't make complete, So I'm not
Speaker 6: sure what his plan was because he could have got
Speaker 6: away with it, and yet he decides not to it,
Speaker 6: decides to confess.
Speaker 3: And but the dialogue is so good.
Speaker 2: It's so like I said in the intro, whip Smart,
Speaker 2: that it's it just crackles the whole way through.
Speaker 1: I really, I really enjoyed this film.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: The best example of the dialogue is I'm not a
Speaker 6: huge fan of romantic comedies. I find especially scenes where
Speaker 6: characters first meet and they flirt, I find them none
Speaker 6: absent of cringey and just unbelievable. This was unbelievable, but
Speaker 6: it was fun. The way that Dietrich and Walter Walter
Speaker 6: fef two f's like in Philadelphia, What a great line.
Speaker 3: What took me like? It was about ah, very good.
Speaker 6: And they just flirt in this very nineteen I guess
Speaker 6: it's forties, but it feels nineteen twenties.
Speaker 3: It's all this pose. I ain't one for supposing style.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's set I think officially nineteen thirty eight,
Speaker 2: because I think he gives that he does the day
Speaker 2: the time, stamps it with his confession at the start.
Speaker 2: But I mean he's so into it. I mean, let's
Speaker 2: let's just have it. Listen to the flirting that goes around. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's almost straight away like this is his first meeting
Speaker 2: with what is it?
Speaker 1: Killis Phyllis, that's Phyllis Phillis and Walter.
Speaker 2: We're dealing with this film for ninety three four, obviously,
Speaker 2: and this is see how quickly they they get into it.
Speaker 7: Mister Nef, why don't you drop by tomorrow evening around
Speaker 7: eight thirty, he'll be in there. My husband, who were
Speaker 7: anxious to talk to him, weren't you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was, but I started getting over the idea.
Speaker 4: If you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: There's speed limit in this state, mister Nef, forty five
Speaker 7: miles from now?
Speaker 4: How best was I going after?
Speaker 7: I'd say around ninety I.
Speaker 4: Suppose you get down off your motorcycle and give me
Speaker 4: a ticket.
Speaker 7: Suppose I let you off for the warning this time.
Speaker 4: I suppose it doesn't.
Speaker 7: Take, or do I have to work you over the knackoff?
Speaker 4: I suppose I got so crying and put my head
Speaker 4: in your shoulder.
Speaker 7: As you try putting it on my husband's shoulder.
Speaker 4: That terars it.
Speaker 2: It's very funny, but I mean Walter is very comfortable.
Speaker 2: Very quickly, this throws his hat on the furniture. I
Speaker 2: think he fees the goldfish at one point. I mean
Speaker 2: it's a dangerous game.
Speaker 6: Oh and one of my hobbies is goldfish keeping. There's
Speaker 6: too many fish in that tank, and those round bowl
Speaker 6: ones are not good for the fish. There's no filtration,
Speaker 6: there's no water changes, not much oxident anyway, Sorry, I.
Speaker 2: Planing no, please, because I mean, at least check if
Speaker 2: the goldfish have been fed that day. I mean, those
Speaker 2: goldfish are probably dead. Now that's a sad thing. That
Speaker 2: is a sad thing. You rued the movie. Yeah, when
Speaker 2: you watch a movie and you realize some of the
Speaker 2: actors that they were, those goldfish are dead too.
Speaker 6: I did love how you said in the intro Fred
Speaker 6: McMurray the dad from My Three Sons, because that's what
Speaker 6: I knew him from. Yeah, the straight lace stern but
Speaker 6: with a heart of gold, sitcom dad and watching him
Speaker 6: be this flirty, flawed character.
Speaker 3: I mean, this.
Speaker 6: Ultimately is a Greek tragedy in that he is a
Speaker 6: very likable, we can relate to him. He falls in
Speaker 6: lust with this woman and then sees a way that
Speaker 6: he could have a future with a lot of money
Speaker 6: because he's bored in his job and he knows a
Speaker 6: way they could scam it. He and then eventually he fails,
Speaker 6: and we know he fails. I'm not spoiling this because
Speaker 6: the opening scene is him confessing yes to doing it, yes,
Speaker 6: and it's and through can we agree with all of
Speaker 6: his decisions. Ultimately we're on his side, and we don't
Speaker 6: make films like that anymore. There's no real like if
Speaker 6: they made it now, they would have to give him
Speaker 6: a very negative personality type. So we're happy that he
Speaker 6: fails in the end, or it would be told from
Speaker 6: Edward g Robinson's characters perspective, the guy who eventually solves
Speaker 6: the murder the way so good. I'd never really watched
Speaker 6: a lot of Edward g Robinson. All I knew is
Speaker 6: Chief Wigan was based on him, and it was weird
Speaker 6: watching Chief wigam be intelligent.
Speaker 2: Well, you expect you expect him to be the way
Speaker 2: it's set up in that confession. You know he's such
Speaker 2: a bloodhound, aren't you you know, And you expect them
Speaker 2: to be like a boss that really is overbearing and
Speaker 2: almost they're at odds with each other, but they're actually.
Speaker 1: Kind of quite friendly with each other.
Speaker 3: They're a father son dynamics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they really are so I really enjoyed that dynamic
Speaker 2: and he was just so good. I mean, some of
Speaker 2: the speeches he gives about what it was in sulicid,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that's still hold up today.
Speaker 6: But why, oh, this is that Edward g keyes is
Speaker 6: Keys gives that speech to the big boss of the
Speaker 6: insurance company, whose name is Edward Norton. Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 6: was That was just a little gag for us.
Speaker 3: Well, not a gag, just an intentional coincidence.
Speaker 2: We're going to plant this and hope one of the
Speaker 2: biggest actors of the twenty first century is I.
Speaker 6: Saw the name on the on the door, and I
Speaker 6: did say to my wife, imagine it is Edward Norton.
Speaker 6: Edward Norton, the guy who plays Edward Norton is a
Speaker 6: terrible actor. That's one of the worst speeches I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: And it really pops out because everyone else is so good.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to speak ill of the dead, but I
Speaker 3: did look him up.
Speaker 6: His name is. Yeah, we're going to name and shame here.
Speaker 6: Richard Gains just it looks like he's reading it for
Speaker 6: the first time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he hasn't come prepared, I don't think, so to
Speaker 2: go back to the flirting that goes on. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: but it is because one of the little facts, because
Speaker 2: there's a lot made about this anklet.
Speaker 6: Yes, I looked at I look because, as I said,
Speaker 6: I said, my favorite thing is to look up the
Speaker 6: facts and trivia on IMDb.
Speaker 2: Apparently, this urban legend has it that if a married
Speaker 2: lady was wearing or a lady was wearing an anklet,
Speaker 2: it meant that she was married but available to other men.
Speaker 3: It's like a pineapple on your shirt on a cruise shift.
Speaker 3: Do you know about that?
Speaker 1: I have vaguely.
Speaker 6: You're a swinger, right, yeah, so you put a pineapple
Speaker 6: on your door, it means people can come and knock
Speaker 6: and have a good time.
Speaker 1: There's a picture of a pineapple or a sticker or something. Yeah. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: not an actual pineapple. I guess if whatever you want,
Speaker 1: If it's.
Speaker 2: An actual pineapple, that means you I really can, You're
Speaker 2: really you are really prepared.
Speaker 6: And you're you're really too willing to violate biosecurity laws.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of violating laws.
Speaker 2: Also, yeah, the door where she hides behind is also
Speaker 2: apparently transgresses the building code. Yes, doors are not allowed
Speaker 2: to swing out, which which when you think about of
Speaker 2: course they always swing.
Speaker 1: Inwards, and it makes sense because it's probably dangerous.
Speaker 3: For people to be blocks the fire escape.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean this movie is stunted, the fall apart.
Speaker 2: But the flirting is. So it's interesting because we wouldn't
Speaker 2: accept it.
Speaker 1: Now. Well one, I think I think Walter wouldn't be likable,
Speaker 1: and he was.
Speaker 2: It was very much on the edge for me, Like
Speaker 2: it was like, wow, this is this is not necessarily
Speaker 2: through a twenty twenty three ends. I mean, you know
Speaker 2: that's there for every the sea, you know, but even
Speaker 2: from a wow. You So she's married and she's trying
Speaker 2: to get a time for you to come and visit
Speaker 2: her when her husband's there, and you're you're you're playing
Speaker 2: this this hard.
Speaker 3: It's like he is an insurance salesman.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, they are not good good people.
Speaker 1: They're not good people. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I was kind of a bit like, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure how I'm supposed to feel about him. I kind
Speaker 2: of went along with the journey, Like I said, I
Speaker 2: really like this film. So it worked and maybe maybe
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about you. You wanted if I wanted
Speaker 2: him to get away with it. At the end of
Speaker 2: what was hoping for when he was confessing at the start?
Speaker 2: What And even now that you know where it goes,
Speaker 2: what do you think because he basically confesses and then
Speaker 2: Keys kind of comes in at the end and he's like,
Speaker 2: you know, okay, you're caught, and he's like, well not
Speaker 2: maybe maybe not, maybe I can get to Mexico. So
Speaker 2: what do you think his intention was?
Speaker 6: Yeah, as I said, it's hard to know he's plan
Speaker 6: in the last because he could have actually sit He
Speaker 6: could have got away with it the the Italian Nino.
Speaker 6: Nino could have been framed. He could have gone in
Speaker 6: killed Phyllis and then it would have been absolutely pinned
Speaker 6: on Nino and he could have escaped. But for some reason,
Speaker 6: he calls Nino aside and said, I've killed her.
Speaker 3: Go go to the daughter.
Speaker 2: I took it as him having a like realizing this
Speaker 2: has gone too far, because also.
Speaker 6: Phyllis shoots him and then he says he says something
Speaker 6: like why didn't you do that? He goes, I realized
Speaker 6: I loved you and I couldn't pull the trigger a
Speaker 6: second time. I was well, really, that's not the cold
Speaker 6: blooded killer you've been set up to. Because it's also
Speaker 6: it's never said, but it's apparent she killed her husband's
Speaker 6: first wife so she could move in like she's playing
Speaker 6: she's playing the long game. Yeah, she was setting it all,
Speaker 6: but then she decides not to at the last minute.
Speaker 6: It costs her her life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which I I think in intense moments like this,
Speaker 2: you know I haven't been there. Need to be very
Speaker 2: clear on That's about my little joke in the introduction
Speaker 2: that you know you are experiencing very intense emotions and
Speaker 2: in the same way that Walter decides and realizes, I've
Speaker 2: gone too far away from my values. You know, I've
Speaker 2: now literally murdered a woman. I've murdered I've murder the
Speaker 2: two people. Now I need to confect I can understand.
Speaker 2: And he shot.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he thinks he's dying at that point.
Speaker 6: He's shot on the shoulder, which is a bit like
Speaker 6: now in modern day films, that's nothing you can still
Speaker 6: you can still fight the bad guy with that. Yeah,
Speaker 6: But in older with older medical procedures, maybe that was
Speaker 6: a death sentence. So it's it's unclear to us whether
Speaker 6: he knows it, but he does need to tell keys
Speaker 6: what it's almost like when you've done something really wrong
Speaker 6: as a kid, you go like, Dad, I broke a window. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he has to do that before he goes to me.
Speaker 6: I don't know if Yeah, we don't know if you
Speaker 6: plan to go to Mexico the whole time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: When Keys walks in and says, you're bust. If that then,
Speaker 2: which I've got no problem with him. In fact, I
Speaker 2: kind of like it. I can imagine some people might think, O,
Speaker 2: hang on, but he's confessing. Is like a deathbed confession.
Speaker 2: Does he thinks he does he think he's dying? Or
Speaker 2: is he confessing? And then almost like hands in the air,
Speaker 2: I'm done, But this is he has almost I like
Speaker 2: to think of it as a change of heart or
Speaker 2: where he kind of goes, I am confessing, I'm done,
Speaker 2: I'm caught, and then he realizes, no, I can maybe
Speaker 2: I can get away with this, you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 2: out of here.
Speaker 6: Because he does talk about half just after he's killed
Speaker 6: the husband, he couldn't he felt, he felt like a
Speaker 6: dead man, He felt like everyone knew that he was
Speaker 6: going to do that. He felt the guilt, He couldn't
Speaker 6: feel his footsteps on the ground. Yeah, he is racked
Speaker 6: with guilt even but it is the plot device of
Speaker 6: the narration, telling us that because we wouldn't have got
Speaker 6: it from his performance. He acts normal, but we know
Speaker 6: from the narration that he's struggling inside.
Speaker 1: What did you think of the plans?
Speaker 6: The first first bit of the plan seemed bulletproof. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it seemed great. Yeah, you kill the guy, you throw
Speaker 6: him off the train, he's yeah, it seemed to work.
Speaker 2: In my notes, I did, right, Why wouldn't you have
Speaker 2: claimed the broken leg?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: And then it did come in then and that's a
Speaker 2: minute later. And that's the thing that Keys does, that
Speaker 2: kind of prickles his.
Speaker 3: The little man inside.
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that as a device. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure if you've seen poker Face, which is a
Speaker 2: film clip Lady not Lady Gaga and not necessarily the
Speaker 2: Russell Crowe film is called poker Face. Poker Fact is
Speaker 2: a great series with Natasha Leone as the lead, and
Speaker 2: she is it's basically a modern day made by Ryan
Speaker 2: Johnson Murder. She wrote, okay, where she just goes from
Speaker 2: town to town solving murder happens.
Speaker 1: It's so much fun.
Speaker 2: And her thing is she has an inbuilt thing where
Speaker 2: she knows when somebody's lying, so she uses that to
Speaker 2: solve murders. And she's always like, I'm leaving this town.
Speaker 2: She can't quite leave the town. Like it's all the
Speaker 2: fun stuff like columbu just one more thing. It's a
Speaker 2: lot like that, but it's they have they know what
Speaker 2: they're doing. It's fun and there's an overriding going on
Speaker 2: with she's on the run from some gangsters. Of course good,
Speaker 2: it's really fun. Poker face on the standard think of this,
Speaker 2: but I love this, this this idea that he has
Speaker 2: this little man in his gut. It is basically gut
Speaker 2: instinct he's talking about that tells him when something is wrong.
Speaker 2: And because we know he's very good at his job,
Speaker 2: we believe it, you know, like they do such a
Speaker 2: good job of setting him up as this kind of machine,
Speaker 2: like you know, yes, it's beast like ability to kind
Speaker 2: of once he gets.
Speaker 1: A sniff that's something.
Speaker 2: This doesn't sound right, like we know he's not gonna
Speaker 2: let it go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he could get his own series.
Speaker 6: It could be an insurance claims guy who solves murders
Speaker 6: in his spare time series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we could do that.
Speaker 6: In Australia. We'll get Marcus Graham to play him like
Speaker 6: good guys, bad guys would be fine. One one thing
Speaker 6: I really loved was, and it's actually not mentioned in
Speaker 6: any of the IMDb trivia, is the way that they
Speaker 6: light their matches with their thumb. It's very It's like
Speaker 6: I thought it was a cigarette lighter, but it's no,
Speaker 6: it's a way you could do it. And I ask
Speaker 6: my wife, how do they do that? She goes, in
Speaker 6: all Raymond Chandler books, people light matches with their thumbnail
Speaker 6: and it's and at the end of every scene that
Speaker 6: Fef has with Keys, he lights the match four Keys
Speaker 6: for him to light his cheap cigar. And at the
Speaker 6: very end, as Keys is dying, he wants As Fef
Speaker 6: is dying, he's trying to light his cigarette for the
Speaker 6: last time, and Keys lights it for him, meaning he
Speaker 6: could do it the whole time, but he wanted his
Speaker 6: sonlike figure to bond with each other and light the
Speaker 6: cheap cigars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice, it's nice. I did love.
Speaker 2: I mean I felt tense watching like like I was
Speaker 2: when the car went start the car and start. We
Speaker 2: apparently not in the script, and Billy Wilder car wouldn't
Speaker 2: start one day after after shooting, and he just thought, oh,
Speaker 2: this is this is great. I love I love the
Speaker 2: fact that it eventually start because yeah, but they have
Speaker 2: that moment of tension because I was like, yeah, this
Speaker 2: this fuck's the whole plan. Yeah, like they can't get
Speaker 2: somebody the help because that's trying. You can't get our ACV.
Speaker 2: They didn't have roadside assist. Take out your insurance. That's
Speaker 2: the thing. I mean, the irony.
Speaker 6: Actually, yeah, he surely had a dodgy insurance guy that
Speaker 6: he could call for roadside assists.
Speaker 1: And then but they can't leave the car there because.
Speaker 6: It's it's a car. It's too close to it. You're right,
Speaker 6: it's and and I love that. Then it solved it.
Speaker 3: It's it's just a moment in a moment.
Speaker 6: I remember a film teacher once taught me there's a
Speaker 6: scene in the scene in Psycho where Janet ly is
Speaker 6: she's dumping the car after she's stolen the money, and
Speaker 6: she drives it into a pond and it floats and
Speaker 6: doesn't sink.
Speaker 3: And everyone's like, oh, we needed to sink.
Speaker 6: We didn't think that Hitchcock making you guilty of aiding
Speaker 6: and abetting the crime, making the audience guilty. And that's
Speaker 6: what at that moment, we're going we need him to
Speaker 6: get away with murder, when suddenly we're just as guilty
Speaker 6: as them.
Speaker 1: That is that is a that's a great way of
Speaker 1: thinking about it.
Speaker 2: And even when he's going through the the train carriage,
Speaker 2: he's on his crutches and he doesn't obviously he wants
Speaker 2: to basically just be seen enough and not be sighted.
Speaker 2: And he goes to the back carriage and there's this
Speaker 2: guy there, you know.
Speaker 3: A friendly man. Yes, what was his name?
Speaker 6: It was mister mister Jackson, played very well by Peter Hall,
Speaker 6: who looked like he looked like an American Eric Idol.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just the most the loveliest face in the world,
Speaker 3: just wanting to chat, just want I just want your cigarettes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just wanted to know all the information you can
Speaker 2: possibly give me. You know, where you're from, what's your name?
Speaker 2: And there's not does not turn around. It's played beautifully
Speaker 2: because you've got to go. Could he have gotten away
Speaker 2: with that decisily? I mean he's looking outwards, you know,
Speaker 2: like maybe.
Speaker 6: I loved when they brought that character back for an
Speaker 6: interrogation scene he did, you know, he's just one to help.
Speaker 6: He's a friendly guy. But then there's the sex in
Speaker 6: this film is all just hinted at. There's no actual sex,
Speaker 6: but it's very heavily hinted at. Like the first scene
Speaker 6: where Phyllis and Walter get together, there's they kiss and
Speaker 6: then it sort of fades, and then they come back
Speaker 6: and they're on opposite sides of the couch getting redressed. Subtly,
Speaker 6: they're not like, he's not pulling his pants up, he's
Speaker 6: just fixing his tie and she's putting her makeup.
Speaker 1: B it.
Speaker 6: So it's heavily implied. But Walter and Phyllis bang, that's
Speaker 6: what we're saying. Absolutely bang. They bang like with pineapples.
Speaker 6: But at the end of the interrogation has seen the
Speaker 6: nicest man in the world, they said. He says, well,
Speaker 6: anytime you need to chat, if you can, you catch
Speaker 6: him and train down from Oregon to Los Angeles. I'll
Speaker 6: help you out as long as you pay my expenses
Speaker 6: and they go sweek, We'll put you on a train. Now,
Speaker 6: I guess how about tomorrow morning. There's an osteopath I
Speaker 6: want to see I know, which just clearly means hooker.
Speaker 1: Well, im, I didn't read them.
Speaker 2: I just heard osteopath and I thought that osteopaths in
Speaker 2: nineteen forty four.
Speaker 3: What the guy says is, well, I hope she's worth it.
Speaker 1: I was a deemed doctor.
Speaker 3: Hang on, that doesn't scept with me. I think she's
Speaker 3: a cold girl.
Speaker 2: There was the I must say the first I thought
Speaker 2: he's was gonna be really unlike it because the first
Speaker 2: time we see him, he's basically interrogating this like immigrant
Speaker 2: and that's right, and it's a bit kind of it's
Speaker 2: a bit weird. And then he apparently doesn't know how
Speaker 2: to use it door handle. Like at first I thought
Speaker 2: he was joking by saying, now, now you use the
Speaker 2: door handle now, and then he yeah, put it to
Speaker 2: watch and he's like I thought when he first said
Speaker 2: that before the almost let's say he was Italian, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure if he was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, general European, general.
Speaker 2: European, when the general European. But hees handled the door handle.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to this open the door. But
Speaker 2: it's like he is following his instructions on how to
Speaker 2: use a door handle.
Speaker 6: I think that's just because he got busted burning his
Speaker 6: own car and he just doesn't want to, like he
Speaker 6: could go to jail for attempted fraud. So he's just
Speaker 6: sort of, yeah, I'll do whatever you need to do
Speaker 6: to so I can get out of this room and
Speaker 6: get away with this.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's but yeah, you're right.
Speaker 6: He does start as it's not a likable way to
Speaker 6: start it. He's saying to this going night, you're trying
Speaker 6: to screw us, and we look at the guy.
Speaker 3: He's all he's clearly a mechanic. He's dirty. It's like
Speaker 3: it's probably down on his luck. You come and help
Speaker 3: him out.
Speaker 6: Be like mister Incredible at the start of The Incredibles,
Speaker 6: he knows how to help people get their false insurance claims.
Speaker 6: He's yeah, so he's a company man, but he's a bulldog.
Speaker 6: He never stops until he's got, you know, justice for
Speaker 6: the insurance company.
Speaker 2: Why do we like this character, Well, it's fascinating, but
Speaker 2: I think I think the plot's so good and you
Speaker 2: are invested.
Speaker 1: The daughter comes along.
Speaker 3: How old is she?
Speaker 2: Do you reckon? Because that's unclear. I know in black
Speaker 2: and white, I know she is. She was twenty two.
Speaker 2: The actress yep. So because it was an uncomfortable thing
Speaker 2: when they starts hanging out with her when you can't
Speaker 2: see Phillips because they're trying to avoid each other and
Speaker 2: stay away.
Speaker 3: So they can't be a bit busted for the crime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they go to the Hollywood Bowl. I
Speaker 2: think that was the moment where is he gonna is
Speaker 2: he trying to?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's always that feeling with the forties films of
Speaker 6: like how bad is this going to get?
Speaker 2: Because it's like she could be fourteen or she could
Speaker 2: be like she could be twenty four ye and twenty four.
Speaker 6: Okay, well he's thirty six, thirty eight, Yes, I think
Speaker 6: this is not great. But twenty four thirty eight fine, fine, fine.
Speaker 1: But thirty four, forteen fifteen six then.
Speaker 6: No, definitely not. So let's let's give him the benefit
Speaker 6: of the doubt. Let's say she was twenty two. In
Speaker 6: my mind she was. I felt like she was probably
Speaker 6: closer to like twenty you know.
Speaker 2: La said, it is hard because I always say the
Speaker 2: casting was so weird back then. I mean even in
Speaker 2: the eighties and nineties, you know, there was a you know,
Speaker 2: the Breakfast Club, you know. Yeah, Judd Nelson I think
Speaker 2: was fifty five when he made that film, but the
Speaker 2: I was just very good, and it does that's the
Speaker 2: first time you start well, not when you become suspicious
Speaker 2: or what were you thinking as far as Phyllis's motives work.
Speaker 2: Do you kind of just but we do see her,
Speaker 2: and it's important. Do we see her husband? We meet
Speaker 2: her husband.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he's great because he's not overly evil, but
Speaker 6: he's also quite flippant and we believe that he could
Speaker 6: be a drunk abusive man.
Speaker 2: Yes, we don't see he's like basically in the old style,
Speaker 2: like it's almost sold as. He has a nagging wife
Speaker 2: that he doesn't want to you know, he's lost tolerance,
Speaker 2: you know for her.
Speaker 3: He's a very sitcom dad.
Speaker 6: Yes, in that archie bunker sort of all in the
Speaker 6: family one of these days, Alice.
Speaker 2: Yes, he works so hard and why kind of just
Speaker 2: relax when he gets home, you know, And it's that
Speaker 2: kind of vibe.
Speaker 1: But we we don't see any you know.
Speaker 3: Any domestic violence or anything like that, nothing like that.
Speaker 2: But we, like you said, I think it's a really
Speaker 2: good point. We can believe that he is capable of it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's really important. So when did you well, what were
Speaker 2: your vibes on what Phyllis was doing. Did you think
Speaker 2: she maybe had a darker history or did you think
Speaker 2: it was simply Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, I think she definitely was playing that. I believed
Speaker 6: the daughter when she said that she she killed the mum,
Speaker 6: So I think Phyllis was playing. And the other clue
Speaker 6: is when she brings in Nino Nino's she said, you
Speaker 6: know the insurance people say, we've seen Nino visit her
Speaker 6: house many times. I'm like, hang on, she's got another
Speaker 6: plan going on. She could be playing.
Speaker 3: Walter as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so, yeah, I think she had her fingers in
Speaker 6: a lot of pies. And I absolutely believe she murdered
Speaker 6: the mum to get in with the rich husband and
Speaker 6: then got bored of him, so start seducing Walter, and
Speaker 6: then probably got bored of Walter starts seducing Nino. She's yeah,
Speaker 6: she's evil, but fun evil. Yes, So yeah, there's no
Speaker 6: character you don't like, apart from maybe the husband.
Speaker 3: But you don't hate him. No, you were just as
Speaker 3: bad actors.
Speaker 1: It is, you know as well.
Speaker 3: N No, you weren't supposed to like him.
Speaker 1: He's a bit of a.
Speaker 2: Cock, to be honest, And I'm not sure about the
Speaker 2: idea of Walter basically setting up sending what's her name
Speaker 2: the daughter Holly or it's Lola. It should have been
Speaker 2: a clue that maybe she was underage, perhaps transsexual in
Speaker 2: the song the song Ilita. Actually, Ah, she wasn't under agent,
Speaker 2: she wasn't transsexual as far as we know.
Speaker 1: As we know, we don't know.
Speaker 9: We're allies, yes, but I'm not sure if I love
Speaker 9: the idea of Walter sending the Lola and Nino back up,
Speaker 9: I'm not sure there's a great relationship to begin with.
Speaker 6: Lola can do a lot better. Yes, we did think
Speaker 6: that the whole time. She can do better than Walter.
Speaker 6: She can do it, she should. If there was any
Speaker 6: justice in the world, she would somehow they would invent
Speaker 6: a time machine and she would get together with Keys
Speaker 6: when he was younger and it's more age appropriate and
Speaker 6: they have a long and happy life solving murders and
Speaker 6: having many.
Speaker 1: Children, Lola and Keys. I would be here for it.
Speaker 6: That no one's ever read, because there needs to be Loler,
Speaker 6: Keys and a time machine.
Speaker 3: Yes, otherwise it's inappropriate.
Speaker 2: Lola was played by Gene Heather, who was a bit
Speaker 2: of a start on the rise. Funnily enough, she was
Speaker 2: in the movie Going My Way, one of my dad's
Speaker 2: favorite films, which won the Oscar that year, beat really doubling,
Speaker 2: then doubling. Then he goes to the Oscars, nominated for
Speaker 2: I Think seven Academy Awards, goes home empty hand. It
Speaker 2: was the only I think movie that was nominated for
Speaker 2: an OSCAR that year that went home empty handed. All
Speaker 2: the other films I won something. Billy Wilder apparently it
Speaker 2: was in the auditorium was getting pretty pissed off and
Speaker 2: just seeing.
Speaker 3: All the other teams that Going My Way people.
Speaker 2: The director getting up, and eventually the last time he
Speaker 2: gets I Think the best film, he trips him. Yes
Speaker 2: I did read that out in the aisle, and trips
Speaker 2: him and trips him over which I love and which
Speaker 2: he got revenge for.
Speaker 6: Apparently when Billy Wilder won it for The Apartment, which
Speaker 6: is a great film if you've not seen, I loved
Speaker 6: that film so much.
Speaker 3: Jack Lemon Jack, Well, someone trips up Billy Wilder and
Speaker 3: he was going.
Speaker 1: To get right.
Speaker 2: I mean that must have been you must have just
Speaker 2: gone I'm going to put this in the film. So
Speaker 2: Gene Heather makes about you know another eight also films
Speaker 2: out the next couple of years and then is in
Speaker 2: an automobile accident and suffers some facial lacerations and doesn't
Speaker 2: act again.
Speaker 1: You know, went on, Oh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm looking at our IMDb out nothing from nineteen
Speaker 6: forty nine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it a shame.
Speaker 1: It's a shame. You know, probably these days.
Speaker 3: We look at Mark Hamill.
Speaker 6: He had a massive car accident between Star Wars and
Speaker 6: Empire and they were able to fix it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you do wonder if it would be different
Speaker 2: these days.
Speaker 3: But that's that's the injuries.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know back where both footy fans acls
Speaker 6: used to be career enders. Yeah, Witton Jr. Did his
Speaker 6: ACL never played again. That's right, it's shame.
Speaker 1: Lolly.
Speaker 2: The Lord does become a very integral part of this
Speaker 2: story because it is the first time you are going, okay,
Speaker 2: there is something bigger going on, which you know, when
Speaker 2: you think about it, of course it was going to
Speaker 2: get bigger. It's going to be murkier. And yeah, when
Speaker 2: did you feel like the wheels were beginning to fall off?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 6: They were never really on. We just we were just
Speaker 6: led to believe they were. When did they I think
Speaker 6: I believed Lola as I said, when she said she
Speaker 6: killed the man, and that's when I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: hang on, this ain't going well.
Speaker 3: And there was a few times I thought they're going
Speaker 3: to get away with They're going to get away with it.
Speaker 6: As soon as keyes realizes he never claimed for the
Speaker 6: broken leg, Yes, you go, and then you remember, oh,
Speaker 6: hang on, no he's dead at the start, like he's
Speaker 6: confessing and he's been shot. Of course, something bad's going
Speaker 6: to happen. Like we're so used to narration in movies
Speaker 6: that we've forgotten the original scene.
Speaker 3: I wonder. I think this is one of the first
Speaker 3: films to have a narration.
Speaker 1: I wondered about that.
Speaker 2: And we're so used now with Christopher Nolan and Tarantino
Speaker 2: playing with time and nonlinear, but this, I wonder how
Speaker 2: groundbreaking this was in that regard. I mean, Citizen Kane
Speaker 2: does proceed it, yes, so you know, but even the
Speaker 2: idea of like such a A lot of actors were
Speaker 2: put off taking The actors who ended up with the
Speaker 2: parts weren't the first offered that they A lot of
Speaker 2: actors are put off by the dark nature of this.
Speaker 6: And that's why I used Rahimon Chandler because he's Billy
Speaker 6: Wilder's main screenwriter was like, nah, dude, this is Yes
Speaker 6: is messed up.
Speaker 3: It's very tame by today's stand.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, but I think they Billy Wilder's frequent collaborator who
Speaker 2: you just mentioned, who didn't want to take part. He
Speaker 2: I think he believed that we are basically publishing a
Speaker 2: blueprint for murder yes, and they were concerned that this
Speaker 2: will then inspire a spate of murders.
Speaker 6: And didn't want actor when they originally offered him the
Speaker 6: lead of Walter Feff say, I'll only do it if
Speaker 6: you make it that he's an FBI agent the whole
Speaker 6: time and he's and he's actually busted her and he's
Speaker 6: a good guy and he wins.
Speaker 3: And No, that would ruin the film. That would just
Speaker 3: why would you? Why would you do that?
Speaker 2: I think there's a movie also after we make the
Speaker 2: Lola and Keys movie about the Raymond Chandler and Billy Wilder.
Speaker 3: Really they didn't get along.
Speaker 1: They did not get along in the same way.
Speaker 2: I love the offer on Paramount Plus, which is the
Speaker 2: making I've not seen that really fun, and also really
Speaker 2: enjoyed the Citizen Kane behind the scenes about how that
Speaker 2: was written with David Fincher and made that, and I
Speaker 2: I think Billy Wilder, who what a fast I must say,
Speaker 2: I haven't seen much of his work. I was in
Speaker 2: the apartment, which is great. I want to dive. You've
Speaker 2: seen actually as well, so I want to dive into
Speaker 2: more of his work. This seems like a fascinating guy.
Speaker 2: Raymond Chandler. I haven't read a lot of Raymon Chandler.
Speaker 2: It's one of the things my wife has.
Speaker 6: And the thing that was one of the things they
Speaker 6: clashed on is Billy Wilder was a drunk, a womanizer,
Speaker 6: dressed casually, whereas Raymond Chandler was quite repressed and didn't
Speaker 6: like his womanizing ways, didn't like his drinking, didn't like
Speaker 6: him wearing a hat inside.
Speaker 3: We're both wearing hats Raymond would like.
Speaker 6: And he was quite sexually repressed, which is interesting because
Speaker 6: he's books are all about clearly people who Raymond Chandler
Speaker 6: wanted to be, these womanizers and hard men.
Speaker 3: So it's quite interesting.
Speaker 6: That it's such an interesting dichotomy between author and character.
Speaker 2: And then apparently when he died, I'm sure that these
Speaker 2: letters were found, but or certain parties came out and
Speaker 2: kind of leaked them all or came out and unowned them.
Speaker 2: But he was having like he had like pen powers's
Speaker 2: almost like young penpals as like eighteen years old, kind
Speaker 2: of like almost X rayed kind of you know, basically sexting.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, they the old days. So he take off
Speaker 6: your panties stuff, tell you's down for me, did half
Speaker 6: a smemorandum.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they they did not get along.
Speaker 2: And Chandler thought he was his first screenplay and he
Speaker 2: was new to it, and he kind of just thought, okay,
Speaker 2: well I'll just go He went home, they met, He
Speaker 2: went home for the weekend, basically came back with a
Speaker 2: eighty ninety page screenplay and said, Okay, this is what
Speaker 2: I've done and Billy Wilders, no, this is not. We
Speaker 2: were writing this together, so we're going to write it together.
Speaker 2: You don't go home write the screenplay and then bring
Speaker 2: it back. And Chandler, I think Billy Wilder thought let's
Speaker 2: use a lot of the dialogue from the from the book.
Speaker 2: And there was Raymond Chandler who went, no, I don't
Speaker 2: think it's going to work. I don't think it's going
Speaker 2: to work. And Billy wilderlater saw that he was right.
Speaker 2: It didn't work. So a lot a lot of the
Speaker 2: book is not really there. The plots still there, but
Speaker 2: a lot of the writing is Raymond Chandler and great.
Speaker 6: Yes, it is the dialogue that really makes you love
Speaker 6: the characters and you love the rhythm. It's almost like jazz,
Speaker 6: the way they take turns in speaking, but keep this
Speaker 6: sort of fun, aggressive facade. Yes, it's I'm glad that
Speaker 6: they were able to do that.
Speaker 2: Like you mentioned it, because he was, you know, I
Speaker 2: love to drink, and Raymond was a bit more straight laced,
Speaker 2: would like order like deliberately they go to lunch and
Speaker 2: deliberately order Martiniz just just to annoy him and be like,
Speaker 2: you know, quite open with his womanizing, just going and
Speaker 2: rub it in his face.
Speaker 1: It was quite fat.
Speaker 2: And then there's a there's actually like a memorandum where
Speaker 2: Chandler tried to quit and he had all these reasons
Speaker 2: that he listed. There's a list, and it was that
Speaker 2: he Billy White or a baseball cap inside that he
Speaker 2: once asked for the Venetian blinds to be drawn because
Speaker 2: the sunlight was coming in and hitting him in the eyes,
Speaker 2: and Billy Whider asked, asked Raymond Chandler, but he did
Speaker 2: not say please, and that and that was like the
Speaker 2: straw that broke the camel's back.
Speaker 1: I have had enough.
Speaker 2: But in the end, like they see, like Wilder does
Speaker 2: praise Chandler for the writing and his ability. They got there,
Speaker 2: But I'm not exactly sure in the end, were they
Speaker 2: on speaking terms afterwards or.
Speaker 6: I wonder how Chandler felt about the ending, because they
Speaker 6: filmed another ending and then Billy Wyler said no, let's
Speaker 6: finish at the second last scene because there was supposed
Speaker 6: to be. We see FB executed in the gas chamber,
Speaker 6: which you don't see much in films. Usually it's a
Speaker 6: noose or a shooting execution. I'm not even sure how
Speaker 6: gas chamber works, but I'm glad and it was with
Speaker 6: keys watching him die, and ultimately you watched him die
Speaker 6: in the second last scene, so I think that's it
Speaker 6: is a much better ending. But I wonder if Chandler
Speaker 6: was annoyed by that.
Speaker 2: I completely agree because the story is based on a
Speaker 2: real life court case. Oh really yeah, a woman and
Speaker 2: her and her lover and basically the whole story. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure about the actual plan. I don't think the
Speaker 2: plan was the same, but it was a famous case.
Speaker 2: And then when they went to the gas chamber, somebody
Speaker 2: from I think that either the New York Times or
Speaker 2: the New Yorker rigged a like a camera somehow and
Speaker 2: think about these on iPhone, but somehow rigged like a
Speaker 2: camera through the pan of the leg and took a
Speaker 2: photo of I'm not sure he was the man of
Speaker 2: the woman being being executed and like, and that went
Speaker 2: on the front page of a newspaper. Like the actual moment,
Speaker 2: I've been like, you know, the body is going to
Speaker 2: be a bit blurry and like literally being being executed,
Speaker 2: and is considered one of the most kind of controversial
Speaker 2: and startling photos of the antony.
Speaker 3: As shocking as that is, I know, I'm going to
Speaker 3: look for that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a card part of me, and I know
Speaker 6: it's on Reddit and I'll yeah, I'll have a look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was taking sings in prison.
Speaker 6: And even that's like quite jarring it in a modern
Speaker 6: thing of that you get a death sentence and they're
Speaker 6: all just fine with it. Yeah, like these days, that's
Speaker 6: just unheard of to to you know, sure, he committed
Speaker 6: a murder, but dude, yeah, you said he is in prison.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I remember it's being at school and having debates,
Speaker 2: you know, in class about you know, about.
Speaker 3: We should introduced the death penalty. It's a classic high
Speaker 3: school debate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: And it felt like, you know, I went to school
Speaker 2: in the eighties and early nineties. It then fell like
Speaker 2: that far away from when we were doing it in Victoria,
Speaker 2: like it was, you know, I think.
Speaker 6: So Harrold Bryan Ronald Ryan Ronald Ryan was last nineteen
Speaker 6: sixty seventy yees, you know, like we're talking like fifteen
Speaker 6: twenty years you know when I started school, and so
Speaker 6: it didn't seem like ancient history.
Speaker 1: It felt like something reasonably recent.
Speaker 2: Now it's now now it feels like a mediaso barbaric Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I've always been against it, but it was it
Speaker 2: was one of those classic kinds of high school.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And when I went, I was in year eate when
Speaker 6: Port Arthur happened, So that was always the main crux
Speaker 6: of the debate.
Speaker 3: And you know it's ultimately, should we kill Martin Bryant.
Speaker 1: Next week? You aint nothing yet.
Speaker 2: We were doing nit Trapman in the cham I remember,
Speaker 2: well that movie was called let's uh this is uh
Speaker 2: working backwards again a little bit. But let's have a
Speaker 2: little listen to when Walter agrees to this plan, because
Speaker 2: he does resist to begin with, and then he finally
Speaker 2: comes to I hate him.
Speaker 7: I love going back to him. You believe me, don't you, Walter?
Speaker 7: I can't stand it anymore? What if they did hang me?
Speaker 8: They're not going to hang out, baby, It's good than
Speaker 8: going on this way.
Speaker 4: They're not going to hang it because you're going to
Speaker 4: do it, and I'm going.
Speaker 7: To help you do you know what you're saying.
Speaker 8: Sure, I know what I'm saying. We're gonna do it,
Speaker 8: and we're going to do it right. Well, I'm gonna
Speaker 8: go the knows how what are you hurting me? There's
Speaker 8: not going to be any slipper, nothing sloppy, nothing weak.
Speaker 1: It's going to be perfect.
Speaker 2: What did you make of his I mean, he's basically
Speaker 2: just got a herd one for which which.
Speaker 3: She's gorgeous, and she's she's charming, and.
Speaker 2: Let's face it, a lot of the times when you
Speaker 2: hear about these kind of you know, plans, that's what
Speaker 2: it begins in the pants.
Speaker 1: Oh totally, you know.
Speaker 6: Everything begins in the pants, literally, life pants, The Big
Speaker 6: Bang pants.
Speaker 1: Everything comes down the pants.
Speaker 6: Well, one thing that's interesting is he went for the
Speaker 6: double indemnity. You know, it's the name of the movie.
Speaker 6: What if surely there was other easier ways he got greedy? Yeah,
Speaker 6: and this is the Greek tragedy thing. If he'd gone
Speaker 6: for a more believable, easier to cover up murder, then
Speaker 6: but there had to be on the train. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: it had to be you know, not a murder on
Speaker 6: the train, to be an accident on the train. This
Speaker 6: is so, that's the Greek tragedy. He flew too close
Speaker 6: to the sun.
Speaker 1: Icarus and Phyllis is offered like a settlement.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: She could have taken it, could have taken it and
Speaker 2: deal or no deal. A hundred thousand dollars in today's
Speaker 2: money's two million.
Speaker 6: Yes, So one little thing that annoyed me as a
Speaker 6: member of whatever generation. I am just a young person,
Speaker 6: forty year old. In twenty twenty three. He talks about
Speaker 6: these houses in this massive mansion would have cost someone
Speaker 6: thirty thousand dollars, thirty dollars, and that would be worth
Speaker 6: eighty ber jillion dollars.
Speaker 1: It really would be. Yeah, it is fascinating.
Speaker 2: Also, let's listen when keys the first time he starts
Speaker 2: smelling a rat.
Speaker 1: We speak about it earlier, but let's have it.
Speaker 2: Listen at the great able Joe Robinson that we are
Speaker 2: newly minted fans of.
Speaker 1: Let's have let's do it's on your mind?
Speaker 4: A broken leg? The guy had a broken leg. What
Speaker 4: are you talking about? Talking about Ditrichson? He had accident insurance,
Speaker 4: didn't he?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And he broke his leg, didn't he?
Speaker 7: So what?
Speaker 5: And he didn't put an acclaim? Why didn't he put
Speaker 5: an a claim?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 4: What are you driving here? What I had dinner two
Speaker 4: hours ago? And this stuck halfway so many years is
Speaker 4: acting up again?
Speaker 5: There's something wrong with the Dietrichson case.
Speaker 4: Or because he didn't file a claim. Maybe he just
Speaker 4: didn't have time.
Speaker 5: Maybe he just didn't know that he was insured. No, No,
Speaker 5: that couldn't be it. You would deliver the policy to impersonally,
Speaker 5: didn't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: He got his check, Sure I did. Had anybody come
Speaker 4: in Minnesota?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: I haven't.
Speaker 5: I've been living with this little man for twenty six years.
Speaker 4: He's never failed me.
Speaker 7: Yet.
Speaker 4: There's got to be something wrong. Or maybe Norton was right.
Speaker 4: Maybe it was suicide.
Speaker 5: No, not suicide, but not an accident either.
Speaker 4: What else I look, Walder, a guy.
Speaker 5: Takes out an accident policy. It's worth one hundred thousand
Speaker 5: dollars if he's skilled on the train, And two weeks
Speaker 5: later he's skilled on the train and not in the
Speaker 5: train accident mind too, but falling off some silly observation car.
Speaker 5: Do you know what the mathematical probability of that is?
Speaker 5: One out of oh, I don't know how many vidions.
Speaker 5: And after that the broken leg, well, it just it
Speaker 5: just can't be the way it looks.
Speaker 4: Something has been worked.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is the fun of the film to
Speaker 2: see Walter kind of backed into a corner, almost quite
Speaker 2: literally backed into a corner when when that witness comes
Speaker 2: and he's trying to look, he almost recognized him.
Speaker 1: And that's that's a lot of fun too. And to
Speaker 1: see him play this to his you know, to his
Speaker 1: like he said, father figure.
Speaker 6: So when he was on the train in front of
Speaker 6: the witness, he kept his back to him the whole time,
Speaker 6: and this actually annoyed me. In the scene when the
Speaker 6: witness is looking at he kept turning away from him,
Speaker 6: like no, no, he knows that here is your back
Speaker 6: in front.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: There's a moment in that clip we just listen to
Speaker 2: when he says, you know, oh no, no, that couldn't
Speaker 2: have been it like unless he unless when.
Speaker 6: You delivered the contract to him yourself, yes, which didn't happen,
Speaker 6: Which didn't happen.
Speaker 2: So I just wonder did was the little man in
Speaker 2: his gut just kind of wish bring to him at
Speaker 2: that stage. It's just like there's almost a moment where
Speaker 2: I feel like, even if he's not acknowledging it completely,
Speaker 2: but it's the first time he may have thought is
Speaker 2: something part of this?
Speaker 3: But no, no, no, you're like a son.
Speaker 6: And and as Walter says at the start and at
Speaker 6: the end, the reason you couldn't catch me is I
Speaker 6: was too He says. It's a beautiful line. It's one
Speaker 6: of the last lines of the film. You couldn't catch
Speaker 6: me because I was right under your nose. And he goes,
Speaker 6: you are even closer than that. Yeah, and he says,
Speaker 6: I love you too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's let's have a listen, right, that's it.
Speaker 2: Sorry, no, no, no, no, you haven't spoiled the Let's
Speaker 2: have a listen the way this plays out. So this
Speaker 2: is there in the office, he's trying to get the
Speaker 2: Mexico with a a gunshot.
Speaker 3: You won't even make it to the elevator.
Speaker 1: Even make it to the elevator.
Speaker 4: How you doing. Somebody moved the elevator. The miss away,
Speaker 4: they run away.
Speaker 10: You know why you couldn't figure this one, Keys, I'll
Speaker 10: tell you because the guy who are looking forwards too close,
Speaker 10: right across the desk from you, closer than that.
Speaker 8: I love you too.
Speaker 1: Here we go. It's so good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, films don't really end that way anymore, with just
Speaker 3: the climax.
Speaker 2: No, I've spoken about it in a bit on the podcast.
Speaker 2: Those seventies films do it as well, and in films
Speaker 2: from the forties. You get in and get out and
Speaker 2: there's something my jaws. They catch the shark. They don't
Speaker 2: even get back to the short to kind of say, hey,
Speaker 2: we caught the shark and they killed the shark and
Speaker 2: it's over done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was an eighties or nineties film.
Speaker 6: We would see probably Keys at the funeral, and if
Speaker 6: they really mismanaged it, there would then be bloopers during
Speaker 6: the credits and that maybe just you know, Keys went
Speaker 6: on to solve many crimes, and and just what happened
Speaker 6: to every character and and maybe all the all the
Speaker 6: cart singing and dancing to whatever pop hits they were
Speaker 6: with Will Smith wrapping the storyline.
Speaker 1: That will be the Rema the Keys and the version.
Speaker 6: What would be the worst remake of This is a
Speaker 6: game I play with my wife when we watch old films.
Speaker 3: World's worst remake.
Speaker 6: So you read and actually you I will admit I
Speaker 6: listened to the Kaza Blanker episode with Nikki Britten and
Speaker 6: you talked about Madonna and Ashton Kutcher, and that is
Speaker 6: I generally thought you've been eavesdropping on my conversations.
Speaker 3: That's the sort of thing we would say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was true, that they try to
Speaker 2: make that happen. Yeah, okay. I think if I'm badly
Speaker 2: recasting this movie in the role of Walter and I
Speaker 2: un necessarily dislike this, I'm actually quite a fan of
Speaker 2: this person, and he's in a quiet taste I've.
Speaker 1: Learnt over the years.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I would have thought everyone liked him,
Speaker 2: but I reckon Owen Wilson is like wow, yeah, great,
Speaker 2: because I think the idea of this game is quick.
Speaker 1: If I'm wrong. Is to make it believable.
Speaker 6: Yes, oh yeah, you can't just you can't just say giants, yeah,
Speaker 6: Brian Naylor. Yeah, you can't have Mark Jacko Jackson playing
Speaker 6: every single role. Yes, it has to be like Owen Wilson.
Speaker 6: I was going to suggest Ryan Reynolds but playing in
Speaker 6: it a very Ryan reynoldsy way.
Speaker 3: But Owen Wilson is better.
Speaker 1: Okay, excellent, So I've got Owen Wilson Phyllis.
Speaker 6: We can't go Madonna because you were already used to.
Speaker 6: That's the other rule of the g You do five
Speaker 6: films and you can't reuse the same person. Lindsay Lowan perfect, yes,
Speaker 6: very nice, Yes, Lindsay Lowan and Wilson.
Speaker 1: Wilson, and Keys is played by I mean Bob Hoskins
Speaker 1: is the obvious best. Good. That's a good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's great.
Speaker 6: Works now, and I think we need someone of a
Speaker 6: person of color here because Hollywood and we need to
Speaker 6: we need to mix this up here.
Speaker 3: So who's in? Oh, Kevin Hart?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Kevin Hart, like that is. But it's a
Speaker 2: perfectly well considered bad casting of this film.
Speaker 1: And Lola played.
Speaker 6: Surely a Kardashian can come in here, or some sort
Speaker 6: of a reality TV person that they're trying to boost
Speaker 6: a film career with.
Speaker 2: Yes, or even like maybe we rework age, can't we
Speaker 2: like like a Nicole Richie Yeah at the right age. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we've got a time machine. Yeah, and Nino is is
Speaker 2: played behave well.
Speaker 6: The rock has to be in everything. Problems is too,
Speaker 6: and he's got to be an unlikable character.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kevin Hart with a mustache and a patch.
Speaker 2: Lilis Gusman. It's a fun game. It's the fun is
Speaker 2: trying to make.
Speaker 6: It like you can actually conceive, Yes, a Hollywood person pitching.
Speaker 2: This and getting it through. Mate, This podcast comes with homework.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate you watching a doubling them toy. I'm
Speaker 2: stoked we got into this one because I hadn't seen
Speaker 2: it as well, and I am jumping into I'm going
Speaker 2: to rewatch even the Apartment and SUTs A Boulevard again
Speaker 2: just to kind of because I watched them, you know,
Speaker 2: when I was going through my let's watch the classic
Speaker 2: kind of films.
Speaker 1: But I'd love to revisit them.
Speaker 3: Good fun. It's really great.
Speaker 6: I recommend that to anyway if you just want a
Speaker 6: fun light film like Sunset Boulevard, you're in for some trauma,
Speaker 6: which you are with a lot of the IMDb Top
Speaker 6: two fifty, but apart and it's just a good fun Yeah,
Speaker 6: and a lot of these.
Speaker 3: I would love to see his live place.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Double Indemnity, I'm pretty sure people have done it as
Speaker 6: a play. Yeah, that's something I would love to watch.
Speaker 1: It'd be a fun one.
Speaker 2: I think that actually the two leads came back and
Speaker 2: did it as a radio play.
Speaker 6: It was that later on I did see it came
Speaker 6: out as a radio plane. I wonder if they'd just
Speaker 6: used dialogue from the film. I think they came back
Speaker 6: and did remake it as a telemovie. But the only
Speaker 6: name I recognized in there was Lee, the guy from
Speaker 6: one of the Twelve Angry Men was as Keys.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was just shown on CBS once.
Speaker 2: And there was a mistake in the film where Fred
Speaker 2: McMurray's wedding ring is visible in quite a few scenes.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how that makes it pass, you know
Speaker 2: in the actor the actor listen, I've probably have been
Speaker 2: on set before and realized I my wedding ring, but
Speaker 2: taking them off before we shot a scene.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've switched it to the other hand.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, okay, so it's a good stand Week is
Speaker 2: wearing a wig. I didn't pick that, not at all.
Speaker 2: I've read about this last night and.
Speaker 3: They're saying it's terrible, but it looks good.
Speaker 2: I mean, I probably don't know Barbarston MC enough to
Speaker 2: kind of maybe I had seen many of her films.
Speaker 2: I would have picked it, Yeah, but I didn't. Apparently
Speaker 2: there's some scenes where Barbara thought it looks ridiculous, but
Speaker 2: she's fantastic. She's really good.
Speaker 6: We're talking about all the other like, yeah, there's no
Speaker 6: weak link except for Edward Norton. Yeah, but those like
Speaker 6: I genuinely think Vivian Lee is not a great actor,
Speaker 6: but she won multiple Academy Awards, but she's always very
Speaker 6: theatrical Hammy almost whereas I thought Phyllis was really played
Speaker 6: it right to.
Speaker 3: The line but never went over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the film Fatale is so such an important
Speaker 2: maybe the most important ingredient definitely in a film noir.
Speaker 2: And yeah, there are times when I'm like, oh, no,
Speaker 2: I think she's It wasn't until I think what we
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, the Lola going to keys and kind of
Speaker 2: going even though, like you know, you know, movies such
Speaker 2: an amazing job. It's tricking us, erasing our everything we
Speaker 2: know about movies when we sit down to watch a movie.
Speaker 6: Yes, they get rid of the little man inside us. Yeah,
Speaker 6: we just go, oh, yeah, she's all right, Yeah, she's
Speaker 6: all right, she seems she's fine. Now she's really good
Speaker 6: in this. Yeah, you're right, we haven't prop her up enough.
Speaker 6: Everyone's good except Edward Norton. But it's a really well
Speaker 6: acted movie. And that's something that Billy Wilder. He can
Speaker 6: get a performance out of almost anyone. There's there's you,
Speaker 6: and you go along with the ride for them. Like
Speaker 6: Fred McMurray plays one of the villains in the apartment. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but yeah, you're on side.
Speaker 1: You'd never be with him.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, wouldn't let let him date my sister.
Speaker 1: But no, maybe one of his sons, you know, not
Speaker 1: a dad.
Speaker 6: What was the My Three Sons is one of those
Speaker 6: sitcoms that was always on when rained in the cricket,
Speaker 6: so you just watched it begrudgingly. So it was it
Speaker 6: was like half the Brady Bunch, but there's only the boys, yes,
Speaker 6: and there's three sons. Did they have differing personalities.
Speaker 2: I don't have the same memory of my three sons.
Speaker 2: I have the memory of it at the school kind
Speaker 2: of thing as well. Yeah, I remember the theme song
Speaker 2: was just a saxophone. Yeah, my three sons. And then
Speaker 2: and in the same way leave at the Beaver, you'd
Speaker 2: watch a bit of Leave at the Beaver. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I don't have the same I watch a lot of
Speaker 2: Brady Bunch, a lot of Happy Days, you know, happy
Speaker 2: to have a long conversation about those ones. My three
Speaker 2: sons didn't leave that much of an impresion. It was watchable, watchable.
Speaker 3: Do you know.
Speaker 6: Occasionally I'm still one of the few people who watch
Speaker 6: Free to Wear TV. Never the main channels unless I'm
Speaker 6: watching footy or sport at all, but I love on
Speaker 6: nine Gem if I get home at one in the morning.
Speaker 6: I occasionally come across something like My Favorite Martian, which
Speaker 6: I never saw growing up, But I just watched this
Speaker 6: old sitcom.
Speaker 3: And I love it because he's just he's a Martian.
Speaker 6: But the only reason we know that is he speaks
Speaker 6: with a slightly wacky accent.
Speaker 2: But it's it's Yeah, I'd love to see somebody do
Speaker 2: a really good studio sitcom again.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Yes, I missed those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think people are getting good at kind
Speaker 2: of going okay in the same way you speak about
Speaker 2: arm Again, this exists in this world, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to tilt my brain to kind of go. This is
Speaker 2: not trying to be as realistic as an hour procedural
Speaker 2: might be or an hour you know drama. This is
Speaker 2: not trying to be succession. This is trying to be
Speaker 2: a new Seinfeld or Friends or whatever it might be.
Speaker 6: I think the last sitcom with the laugh track and
Speaker 6: all that that I kind of like.
Speaker 3: I liked How I Met Your Mother? That was that
Speaker 3: was fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think about how Im because I never saw
Speaker 2: the start of it. I was never sure who was
Speaker 2: narrating and who and what was going on and who
Speaker 2: who am I supposed to be?
Speaker 3: Who are the good? I mean it ended terribly.
Speaker 6: I mean one of my favorite subjects of conversation is
Speaker 6: TV shows that have ended badly, And yeah, How I
Speaker 6: Met Your Mother did not stick the landing. The most
Speaker 6: famous one for depressing is do you remember the Wacky
Speaker 6: Huppet show Dinosaurs? Which was a Jim like ninety three,
Speaker 6: So you're probably just out of high school and going
Speaker 6: off and living your life. But it was it was
Speaker 6: a big craze in nineteen ninety three Jim Henson's Dinosaurs
Speaker 6: and it was like a family sitcom.
Speaker 3: But they're all puppet dinosaurs.
Speaker 6: And you know there was the dad who works a
Speaker 6: job and honey, I'm home, and you know his wife
Speaker 6: was the housewife and they had two point three kids. Anyway,
Speaker 6: the final it's all wacky and fun and for kids
Speaker 6: and everything. The final episode is a meteorites coming. We're
Speaker 6: all going to die, and they just accept their fate.
Speaker 6: And the last shot is they're all hugging as a
Speaker 6: shadow comes down.
Speaker 3: It's so depressing.
Speaker 2: I can understand why that would that would be in
Speaker 2: the last episode of a show about dinosaurs. But maybe
Speaker 2: maybe make them stave off yeah the media, or.
Speaker 3: Be like inglorious Barstons. Change the history of.
Speaker 2: The world, Revisit revision, a couple of fun facts we
Speaker 2: didn't quite get to.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm distracting you a lot with sitcom chat.
Speaker 2: No, this podcast is all about getting distracted. Going on tangents,
Speaker 2: and I think they added one more. There was some
Speaker 2: war rashing going on because the World War two was
Speaker 2: going on, so the scenes at the Department store. Paramount
Speaker 2: actually had police in the store to make sure nobody
Speaker 2: stole any food.
Speaker 3: That's great, that's I love that.
Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing.
Speaker 6: It would it would be like, yeah, if you tried
Speaker 6: to make a movie during the Corona pandemic and there
Speaker 6: was a scene where there was a lot of toilet paper.
Speaker 2: Hang on extras yea not allowed that get back and
Speaker 2: a final one. We got most of our fun facts
Speaker 2: within that conversation. But there's a Raymond Chandler cameo in
Speaker 2: the film about sixteen minutes in. He's seen reading a newspaper.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: It always annoys me on IMDb when that trivia is
Speaker 6: high up.
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there'd be. The tribute is interesting because
Speaker 1: you've gotta like.
Speaker 6: It's ranked by how many people have found it interesting,
Speaker 6: and I usually get about a third of the way
Speaker 6: down and then I just scroll to the bottom where
Speaker 6: there's spoilers, and then it gets interesting again.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, and because then there's some that it's like
Speaker 2: and this movie is the favorite of words glooney is
Speaker 2: I don't really need.
Speaker 3: To Yeah that frown.
Speaker 6: McMurray once saw a film with another character called Barbara
Speaker 6: in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll just keep moving. But hey, I want to
Speaker 2: plug you got some show coming up. He did a
Speaker 2: really fun show a little while back. Shakespeare Alien Yes,
Speaker 2: Shakespeare Aliens.
Speaker 6: It was the film Aliens redone as a Shakespearean tragedy
Speaker 6: at last, finally whatever, And I got to play Carter Burke,
Speaker 6: the Paul Riser character. I got to be a villain.
Speaker 6: I hadn't done a proper theatrical play before. And there's like,
Speaker 6: you know, getting big laughs in stand up is satisfying.
Speaker 6: When the crowd cheers your death, you feel, yes, I
Speaker 6: nailed it. But yeah, we're now doing Shakespeare Ghostbusters. This
Speaker 6: opening this Halloween at the Motley brow House in Melbourne.
Speaker 6: I think we're going to tour it after that. And yeah,
Speaker 6: this is a.
Speaker 3: Lot of fun. And I've you know, I'm pretty new
Speaker 3: to acting.
Speaker 6: And but when the director said I'd like you to
Speaker 6: audition for the part of Peter Venkman, wow, I genuine
Speaker 6: went sorry.
Speaker 3: Just get your bleat railway.
Speaker 7: Fuck God, just.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite characters in cinema forever.
Speaker 2: What a phone call to get Shakespeare Ghostbusters tickets? These
Speaker 2: are available, You're available, fantastic. Where do you get your tickets?
Speaker 2: From great question. We'll put a link up in the socials.
Speaker 2: We'll put a link up and we'll have all the information.
Speaker 2: But I'm sure if you were to google Shakespeare ghost Busters.
Speaker 2: I always want a fundy when we plug stuff, and there's
Speaker 2: always like, yeah, we can pet with tickets from It's
Speaker 2: like people can find you know, even know how computers work,
Speaker 2: people know how to google. Yeah, Shakespeare Ghostbusters. It sounds
Speaker 2: like a lot of fun.
Speaker 6: The people promoting the AFL Grand Final and to like
Speaker 6: ticketmaster dot com dot au slash AFL slash Grand Dash
Speaker 6: Final DASHMLF.
Speaker 2: Grandfather and they've got twenty thousand, And I said, what happened, Oh,
Speaker 2: we didn't put the link up, lardy.
Speaker 1: Hell, no one knew how.
Speaker 2: To get there tickets downy, Thanks so much for doing this, mate.
Speaker 2: That was a great chat. I love watching this film.
Speaker 2: And yeah, good luck with Shakespeare Ghostbusters.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Absolute pleasure. Go dogs, go byes.
Speaker 1: There there.
Speaker 2: It is the theme song for my three sons. I
Speaker 2: remember being that good. To be honest, I have vague
Speaker 2: memories of it. But there was a likability about Fred
Speaker 2: mc murray in that role, and there's a likability about
Speaker 2: the movie we just watched Double Indemnity.
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed that chat about it, and like
Speaker 2: we said, go check out more Billy Wilder Films will
Speaker 2: be covering him more Sunset, Boulevard, the Apartment. Check them out.
Speaker 2: He is an absolute gun. If he's not on your radar,
Speaker 2: you'll thank us later.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: Thanks Danny McGinlay for coming in doing his homework. Is
Speaker 2: a cinophile. I love having every episode feels a bit different.
Speaker 2: Sometimes people come and they yeah, they like movies and
Speaker 2: necessarily deep diving to them some more deep divers. Dan,
Speaker 2: He's obviously a bit of a deep diver. So that
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