Speaker 1: So we had the big live on Cut podcast live show.
Speaker 1: We're in the middle of our two right.
Speaker 2: Around the country, but last weekend it was in Sydney
Speaker 2: at the State Theater, Beautiful Theater. Now, Laura and I,
Speaker 2: it's our show, MITCHI or the MC. You're very heavily involved,
Speaker 2: very funny. Just had to live doing a great But
Speaker 2: something came up at the show that sparked a pretty
Speaker 2: fierce debate amongst the audience and the results because we
Speaker 2: got the audience involved about what they thought and.
Speaker 1: The results were not what I thought. So I wanted
Speaker 1: to have another little discussion and really like work it out.
Speaker 1: The question was.
Speaker 2: Can a man or a husband go and get a
Speaker 2: visectomy without consulting his partner or wife. Now I don't
Speaker 2: think this matters so much if you have kids or
Speaker 2: you don't, because I think the discussion around is going
Speaker 2: to be pretty similar. But we're all for body autonomy, right,
Speaker 2: you can do whatever you want your body. But does
Speaker 2: that still stand when it's talking about pro creating which
Speaker 2: affects two people?
Speaker 1: Can I clarify it is a permanent of a sect.
Speaker 3: You can reverse it, but like it's not advised to
Speaker 3: go and get it done if you intend on reversing
Speaker 3: a temporary Okay, I think I disagree. I think it
Speaker 3: is important the context. So the part of this question
Speaker 3: was that the couple already had two kids, and the
Speaker 3: woman wanted a third child and he didn't, and he
Speaker 3: had made that aware, and he hadn't gone and got
Speaker 3: the vasectomy yet, but he had booked in for the
Speaker 3: appointment without telling her. She discovered she yeah, so he
Speaker 3: so he was going to go ahead and get it done.
Speaker 3: I think the reason why I related to this so
Speaker 3: much is because Matt and I are currently I mean,
Speaker 3: he hasn't booked himself in for aseectomy, like I canceled
Speaker 3: the appointment, but we're in those discussions, Like we're in
Speaker 3: the discussions around do we have a third child?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you've got two, Laura, We've got two. I've
Speaker 1: had a four year old.
Speaker 3: I've got a two year old. We always said that
Speaker 3: if we were going to have three, would have them
Speaker 3: very back to back. But our two year old is
Speaker 3: almost a three year old. Like she's she's well out
Speaker 3: of the nappy phase now, she's out of the baby phase.
Speaker 3: And Matt always really wanted three kids, like he was
Speaker 3: hell bent on it, and the time I wasn't so sure.
Speaker 3: Now he's changed his mind. Matt doesn't want any more kids,
Speaker 3: and I think I am, like, my feelings have changed
Speaker 3: so much in the past six months, and I want
Speaker 3: a third.
Speaker 1: Do you think your feelings have changed because he have changed?
Speaker 2: Like you know when someone pulls something away from you, like,
Speaker 2: hang on a minute, maybe I want that.
Speaker 3: No, my feelings have changed because so for for the
Speaker 3: very reason that Matt doesn't want to go back to
Speaker 3: having babies is the exact reason why my feelings have changed.
Speaker 3: Because I'm out of the trenches now with having babies
Speaker 3: that I've had. I've come up for air and I
Speaker 3: feel better about myself. I feel better about my body.
Speaker 3: So you want to feel like I'm okay with my
Speaker 3: work again. I can see myself managing it again with
Speaker 3: a third Whereas when I was in the trenches, I
Speaker 3: couldn't possibly add another baby onto those trenches, like it
Speaker 3: was too hard. And now it's really hard for us
Speaker 3: because I know he doesn't want to have a third child,
Speaker 3: and so we're having those big conversations about the fact
Speaker 3: that we're not on the same page with it anymore.
Speaker 2: So then how would you feel if knowing this now
Speaker 2: we found out he had booked in for a second
Speaker 2: without telling you.
Speaker 3: I think I would feel very betrayed. Not because I mean,
Speaker 3: I understand that you know my husband's body. It's his body.
Speaker 3: He has his own autonomy, but I would hope that
Speaker 3: there's still a discussion around it. But in the same instance,
Speaker 3: I respect the fact that one of the big things
Speaker 3: he's said is is that he feels that if we
Speaker 3: were to have another child, it would impact our relationship,
Speaker 3: Like there comes a point where when you're so busy
Speaker 3: with work and you're so busy with your other children
Speaker 3: that you can't prioritize your relationship as much. And our
Speaker 3: relationship for the past couple of years, especially when you
Speaker 3: have young children, has come second to having young children often.
Speaker 3: And I think he's at the point where he's like, well,
Speaker 3: can we not get back to a place where our
Speaker 3: relationship is number one priority? So why do you want
Speaker 3: to add more stress when we're just coming to a
Speaker 3: place of being great again.
Speaker 1: It's a hard discussion, isn't it.
Speaker 3: And I know it's I mean, I understand it's a
Speaker 3: privileged discussion because there's so many people who struggle to
Speaker 3: have any children, and we've had our own issues in
Speaker 3: terms of carriages, and we've had our hard times with
Speaker 3: fertility as well. But for some reason, I'm now dealing
Speaker 3: with the acceptance that maybe our family unit having three
Speaker 3: kids is not going to happen, and we will just
Speaker 3: have the two beautiful kids that we have.
Speaker 1: Interesting, what's of lots of chats you have to have.
Speaker 3: To unpack still, but you're not on the same page.
Speaker 1: There's the phone because they're still practicing, they're still undecided.
Speaker 3: I've got some existential family crisis is going on at
Speaker 3: the moment.