Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say
Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking.
Speaker 2: Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torba.
Speaker 1: We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions,
Speaker 1: so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things
Speaker 1: reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women. That is
Speaker 1: so fetch Thank you, welcome back to Outspoken. Now, I
Speaker 1: can't quite believe what I'm seeing on Instagram at the
Speaker 1: moment of what I have just seen. So Sophie Kasha
Speaker 1: has just shed an Instagram story of her partner Mattie
Speaker 1: Garrick playing a recording in slow mo of her parts
Speaker 1: back to Sophie Kation. Now, I think that that signifies
Speaker 1: true love that Sophie is happy.
Speaker 2: To sit there and listen to that.
Speaker 1: So what's the context of this insta story? Why is
Speaker 1: she playing back her farts? There is no context, no
Speaker 1: context whatsoever. She is just something she enjoys doing. She
Speaker 1: enjoyed recording her farts and then she wanted to go
Speaker 1: on show.
Speaker 2: So see just proud of them.
Speaker 1: I suppose I actually have a friend who downloaded an
Speaker 1: app on their phone and it's the one where you
Speaker 1: can hear how many times you wake up in the night.
Speaker 1: So basically, if you make any sound in your sleep,
Speaker 1: like snoring or whatever, it starts recording.
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Use it to see if they sleep. Talk to this
Speaker 1: friend of mine, she recorded it and it picked up
Speaker 1: her husband doing the loudest, most disgusting fart you've ever heard,
Speaker 1: and it was the funniest thing. Ever. It's just so
Speaker 1: foreign to me because I feel like that's something that
Speaker 1: you want to hide from your partner. Like I feel
Speaker 1: like a lot of women go out of their way
Speaker 1: not to far in front of their partner, so to
Speaker 1: record it and then send it directly to them, it
Speaker 1: just sounds insane to me. See to me, I actually
Speaker 1: think it's a sign that you're very comfortable around someone
Speaker 1: and that you've reached this new level of intimacy. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the recording of it and the playing back
Speaker 1: in slow mode is a little bit much for me,
Speaker 1: and I would have no interest in hearing Brandon playback
Speaker 1: is fast. Do you know what, though, I can see
Speaker 1: the side of the fart being in slow mo, because
Speaker 1: if it's just like it is pretty funny, but probably
Speaker 1: not something i'd be showing to Dale.
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 3: Was that a fight?
Speaker 4: I can teast it, Okay, I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 4: I did it so onion, onion and onion and ketchup.
Speaker 1: It's six Kayla, It's Cenis has unveiled her new boyfriend,
Speaker 1: just two weeks after her ex Toby Pierce went public
Speaker 1: with his new fitness influencer girlfriend Rachel Dylan Amy can
Speaker 1: you tell us more? Kayla shared a photo of her
Speaker 1: and her new partner, Jay Woodroff to her nearly fourteen
Speaker 1: million Instagram followers on Friday morning, and the pair looked
Speaker 1: very loved.
Speaker 2: Up in the photo. They had big smiles. Actually, everyone
Speaker 2: was commenting on just.
Speaker 1: How white their teeth looked as well, and in the caption,
Speaker 1: Kayla wrote, meet Jay everyone, my best friend for years
Speaker 1: and now partner.
Speaker 2: For all those people.
Speaker 1: Replying into my story saying you look really happy, thank you.
Speaker 2: I am so.
Speaker 1: The relationship comes as no surprise, with Kayla and Jay
Speaker 1: already papped many times in Adelaide, and while it's the
Speaker 1: first time Kayla has shared a photo of her new
Speaker 1: boyfriend on her public Instagram account, Jay has shared quite
Speaker 1: a few.
Speaker 2: The first one was back.
Speaker 1: On November twenty eight, twenty twenty one, with Kayla cuddling
Speaker 1: into him while posing in sunglasses, and Jay also shared
Speaker 1: a real of the couple's holiday to Sydney and nooser
Speaker 1: So at the time of recording, Jay has attracted around
Speaker 1: eight thousand new followers, and he's already added the initials
Speaker 1: ki with a love heart into his bio on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Can I just say her previous boyfriend for two seconds? Mitch?
Speaker 1: He also had Kayla's initials in his bio. It kind
Speaker 1: of reminds me of that very teenage thing where you've
Speaker 1: got to make sure that your girlfriend's initials are in
Speaker 1: your bill, keep them happy.
Speaker 2: Do you have Brandon's initials? I feel like that's something
Speaker 2: that you guys would do. No, I don't at all.
Speaker 2: I did not have that.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's the cooler version of Facebook official.
Speaker 1: I actually don't know if it is the cool thing
Speaker 1: to do. I feel like it's very high school. But
Speaker 1: if it's kind of possessive, like this person is mine,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's.
Speaker 2: A real new love thing.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not going to go and put Dale's initials
Speaker 1: in mind, But if you've just got a new boyfriend.
Speaker 1: You're probably like, Oh, I'm excited to put his initials in.
Speaker 1: They definitely are very loved up on Instagram because they've
Speaker 1: also created a couple's account called It's Jayla Here, and
Speaker 1: it appears they're going to be posting a lot of
Speaker 1: content from their upcoming holiday to the US, because Jay
Speaker 1: did announce on his Instagram on Friday that it's seven
Speaker 1: days until the couple jet sets off to the US.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming for some type of boot camp with Kayla.
Speaker 1: Do you reckon that this holiday is the reason that
Speaker 1: they're going public with the relationship or do you think
Speaker 1: it more has to do with the fact that Toby
Speaker 1: and Rachel are getting so much attention over their relationship. Well,
Speaker 1: the timing was interesting, as you said, because it was
Speaker 1: only two weeks ago that Toby Pierce debuted his new girlfriend,
Speaker 1: Rachel Dylan. So perhaps it was seeing how well that
Speaker 1: news was received that Kayla thought, oh, stuff it, I
Speaker 1: might as well go public with my partner that I've
Speaker 1: had for a while. Kayla's mum also got into the action.
Speaker 1: She put up a post saying, welcome to the family. Jay,
Speaker 1: you make my daughter smile, So I like you so
Speaker 1: kay I want to hear all the juicy details you've uncovered,
Speaker 1: because you've done a bit of digging. Yeah. Well, I
Speaker 1: want to set the scene because we have spoken about
Speaker 1: Kayla and Jay before on the podcast. But for those
Speaker 1: who don't know, as reported on the podcast and also
Speaker 1: several news publications, Kayler and her now boyfriend Jay used
Speaker 1: to be neighbors in Malvin. And for those who were
Speaker 1: listening that aren't from Adelaide, that is a suburb in Adelaide.
Speaker 1: It is. We're not trying to say Melbourne. We had
Speaker 1: a listener a couple of weeks ago, say, you say
Speaker 1: Melbourne's so funny, So it's Malvin. Does it actually think
Speaker 1: a suburb?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Don't they have Maulvin in Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So yeah, said a little bit differently in Melbourne.
Speaker 1: So Jay was living in Malvin with his girlfriend of
Speaker 1: five years, Lauren Beletti, and Kayler and her then boyfriend
Speaker 1: Mitch even went on a couple's holiday with Jay and
Speaker 1: Lauren to Queensland in May twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: However, just months.
Speaker 1: Later, Kayla and Jay appeared to have started dating, and
Speaker 1: while Lauren no longer follows Jay and Kayla on Instagram,
Speaker 1: she and Kayla's ex Mitch are still friends, so Mitch
Speaker 1: even commented on the post Lauren shared about moving house
Speaker 1: in December, writing congrats mate, you deserve this win with
Speaker 1: a thumbs up emoji.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Another one of Lauren's friends wrote on the post, look
Speaker 1: at you. So proud of everything you've achieved. Can't wait
Speaker 1: to celebrate many more achievements. Even though August was your
Speaker 1: hardest month, you were still able to achieve this. Love
Speaker 1: you boo now. I just thought it was very telling
Speaker 1: the timeline of this August was really hard for you
Speaker 1: because I'm guessing that's when Jay broke up with Lauren,
Speaker 1: and it just shows how sort of close the timelines
Speaker 1: are in relation to the holiday that the couples went on.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's only a few months where all of
Speaker 1: this happened and everything sort of imploded. But it's important
Speaker 1: to note that Kayla's grandfather of all people, has confirmed
Speaker 1: on Instagram last week that there was no infidelity involved
Speaker 1: in this new love match. Now is literally the best
Speaker 1: account I've seen on Instagram, and John created the account
Speaker 1: on the eighteenth of January and he's already got over
Speaker 1: twenty two thousand followers. So if anyone is looking for
Speaker 1: a laugh, I highly recommend you go follow the account
Speaker 1: which is called it Cina's Family. Now it's quite clear
Speaker 1: that Kayla or her sister Leah is running the account.
Speaker 1: They have denied it. However, I would put my money
Speaker 1: on the fact that it's one of them, and I
Speaker 1: really liked seeing this side of Kayler or Leah's personality
Speaker 1: because it's bloody funny. They're all taking the piss out
Speaker 1: of each other. And they even did a Q and
Speaker 1: A as John, So he set the records straight on
Speaker 1: his granddaughter's relationship in the Q and A. So when
Speaker 1: asked how Kayla met her new boyfriend, John wrote, so
Speaker 1: glad I can clear this mess up. Jay and Kayler
Speaker 1: were best friends for years. It was Kayla, Jay and
Speaker 1: Steve three idiots, both had partners, both split with their partners,
Speaker 1: and later got together. Having been best friends for years,
Speaker 1: it was easy to accept Jay into the family because
Speaker 1: he had already been part of it as Kayla's best friend.
Speaker 1: The variation to this story is a lie slash guest
Speaker 1: might drop and so. John's Instagram account also includes a
Speaker 1: post with a blurb about each family member, including Jay.
Speaker 1: So John said, Jay is secretly German, pretending to be
Speaker 1: an Aussie and rocks up to my house every month
Speaker 1: with a new car. He also said that he makes
Speaker 1: an effort to come over every day to have a
Speaker 1: coffee with him and his wife Angela. Now I thought
Speaker 1: it was quite entertaining because someone asked, when did you
Speaker 1: realize you liked Jay, and the grandfather replied with some
Speaker 1: vision of Jay killing a spider with cooking spray and
Speaker 1: lighting it on fire. See for me, I'm not like
Speaker 1: the Estina's grandfather. That puts me off. I don't like
Speaker 1: to hear that people lighting bugs on fire. I get
Speaker 1: told off by Brandon all the time because Brandon grew
Speaker 1: up in the country, so he and his family hate
Speaker 1: insects like most people.
Speaker 2: And I save spiders.
Speaker 1: And I saved them all because I'm a vegetarian except mosquitos.
Speaker 2: I kill mosquitos.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Well, what did you guys think about the scrutiny
Speaker 1: around and Jay's relationship?
Speaker 2: Did you think it was fair?
Speaker 1: Look, I'm not surprised that there has been so much
Speaker 1: interest in their relationship and so many rumors surrounding it,
Speaker 1: because obviously they both had partners so close together, and
Speaker 1: also the fact that Kayla and Jay's girlfriend were friends,
Speaker 1: and I feel like a lot of people talk in Adelaide.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of wild rumors going around. That's
Speaker 2: the thing.
Speaker 1: It is a pretty complex situation, particularly for the fact
Speaker 1: that it does appear that Kayla did befriend Lauren at
Speaker 1: some point, and obviously there is some contention whether she
Speaker 1: was friends with Jay first. However, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people are reacting to it because it kind of
Speaker 1: breaks a bit of girl coade because generally, if you're
Speaker 1: friends with someone, you don't date their partner, so, you know,
Speaker 1: any sort of speculation of cheating aside, I think there
Speaker 1: was always going to be rumors about this relationship, and
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see if Lauren does come out and
Speaker 1: say something at one point, because she has remained very
Speaker 1: quiet on the issue. Yeah, And the thing is, it's
Speaker 1: really awkward because when you look back at Lauren's Instagram account,
Speaker 1: she has a lot of photos still up with Jay,
Speaker 1: and Kayla has commented on the photos, you know, little
Speaker 1: love hearts or just comments like great photo, And when
Speaker 1: you look at that, it's really awkward. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: I actually feel for everyone in this situation. Because Kayla's
Speaker 1: family have said there was no cheating involved, they were
Speaker 1: friends and both parties were split up from their partners,
Speaker 1: so it's really hard to judge because it would be
Speaker 1: a hard situation. We've got to remember that Kayla was
Speaker 1: with her partner for eight years, and it sounds like
Speaker 1: her and Jay were friends for a long time. So
Speaker 1: there is that awkward thing where maybe you've had a
Speaker 1: secret crush on someone but they've got a partner and
Speaker 1: your past don't seem to match up, and maybe in
Speaker 1: this instance, it was that occasion where hey, they were
Speaker 1: suddenly both found themselves single. I just think it's awkward
Speaker 1: with the timeline, considering that they all had gone on
Speaker 1: a couple's holiday a couple of months before the breakup happened.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I feel like it is the foundations
Speaker 1: for really great relationship, the fact that they have been
Speaker 1: best friends for so many years. They obviously have a
Speaker 1: lot of respect for one another, and it is really
Speaker 1: nice to see them both looking so happy together. Just
Speaker 1: to wrap things up, it's quite interesting because Kayla's ex, Mitch,
Speaker 1: who was never hard launched on her profile, actually hard
Speaker 1: launched his new relationship with his girlfriend on January twenty,
Speaker 1: so it was quite a busy time for this Love
Speaker 1: Square in terms of announcing relationships. As for Kayla's ex Toby,
Speaker 1: it's reported he has just purchased a five point three
Speaker 1: million dollar penthouse apartment in Adelaide. The apartment has five bedrooms,
Speaker 1: four bathrooms, with the rooftop entertaining area featuring a built
Speaker 1: in barbecue wood, five peaks, oven, spa and bar entire
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Speaker 4: Go fuck yourself, San Diego.
Speaker 1: Slickstick owner Mia Pleasick has announced her boyfriend Justin Borg
Speaker 1: is an official endorsed candidate for Melbourne in the upcoming
Speaker 1: federal election for Clive Palmer's United Party, Amy, can you
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit more about Mia plasic So.
Speaker 1: Mia is an entrepreneur and influencer who we've discussed a
Speaker 1: few times on the podcast. She has seventy five thousand
Speaker 1: followers on TikTok and sixteen point six on Instagram. So
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, Mia launch Slickstick, which is a hair
Speaker 1: one designed to keep stray hairs in place. So MIA's
Speaker 1: quite controversial. She's been accused of being anti lockdown after
Speaker 1: she posted a video of herself attending the first Freedom
Speaker 1: Rallies in Melbourne. So In the video, she shared vision
Speaker 1: of the sea of protesters with the caption what the
Speaker 1: media won't show you Thirty thousand Victorians protesting for their
Speaker 1: rights for freedom. Mia has also been accused of being
Speaker 1: anti vax after she shared on her Instagram story that
Speaker 1: she would not be bribed into getting the vaccination with.
Speaker 2: The lure of travel.
Speaker 1: Her follower asked her in a Q and A if
Speaker 1: she will get the vaccine if it's a prerequisite to travel.
Speaker 1: Mia responded saying no, I'll pay a black market doctor
Speaker 1: to sign my COVID pass. What if I have to,
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. I'll go as far as
Speaker 1: I need. Nobody will bribe me to jab poison in
Speaker 1: my body in order to be free. Mia then back
Speaker 1: down and she changed her chin completely, saying what I
Speaker 1: choose to do or not to do with my body
Speaker 1: is nobody's business.
Speaker 2: So now that we know Mia, who is her boyfriend?
Speaker 1: Well, Justin describes himself as a thirty two year old entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: Now he released an extensive video explaining his political standpoint
Speaker 1: and policies, but didn't really explain his background in business
Speaker 1: thus far, so I did a bit of digging now.
Speaker 1: Apparently Justin completed an event management and marketing degree. He
Speaker 1: also previously worked as a caravan salesman before starting a
Speaker 1: dating app in twenty seventeen called spot It on LinkedIn.
Speaker 1: It also says he is an investor for a Melbourne
Speaker 1: startup now similar to Mia, Justin has been very critical
Speaker 1: across his social media about the lockdowns and also the vaccine.
Speaker 1: He has shared numerous Instagram stories of himself at freedom protests,
Speaker 1: writing captions like you can stick the vaccine up your ass.
Speaker 1: He also wrote so proud we are finally standing up
Speaker 1: to this dictatorship. He also shared a meme saying that
Speaker 1: he would fly privately to avoid any vaccine mandates now.
Speaker 1: Last week, Miya shared a photo of Justin standing in
Speaker 1: front of a United Party sign that said vote for Freedom.
Speaker 1: In the post, she wrote, so proud of you, just
Speaker 1: the official endorsed candidate for Melbourne in the upcoming federal
Speaker 1: election for the United Party. Your passion for this country's
Speaker 1: freedom is commendable if you're in the Melbourne electorate and
Speaker 1: want to help with his upcoming campaign get in touch,
Speaker 1: and then she tagged his Instagram handle. She finished the
Speaker 1: post by hashtagging hottest politician ever. Now I'm going to
Speaker 1: get a little bit ross Gelli here for a moment,
Speaker 1: because this comment from mea was very difficult to read
Speaker 1: out because not only did she spell electorate incorrectly, she
Speaker 1: also used the incorrect plural for countries and also did
Speaker 1: not put an apostrophe in there. You'd think with this
Speaker 1: sort of post, you would want to get the spelling
Speaker 1: right so that you're taken seriously, we're talking about posts.
Speaker 1: Justin also shared the news on his social media saying
Speaker 1: never in a million years did he think he'd ever
Speaker 1: get into politics. However, he can no longer sit back
Speaker 1: and let this country suffer anymore. He finished by saying
Speaker 1: everyone needs the freedom of choice and I'm ready to
Speaker 1: fight for all Australians. Justin then shared a lengthy twenty
Speaker 1: two minute video talking about his common sense approach to
Speaker 1: politics and after watching it, I literally want the twenty
Speaker 1: two minutes back of my life now.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 1: He thinks there should be a rule that politicians must
Speaker 1: have done another career or run a business before getting
Speaker 1: into politics. He said, so many simply get out of
Speaker 1: UNI and go straight into politics and have no life experience.
Speaker 1: He said that while he is not book smarts, he
Speaker 1: is street smarts.
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of politicians these days have
Speaker 3: just cave shout out of UNI. He always wanted to
Speaker 3: be at being politics, you know, start off as a
Speaker 3: staffer or a volunteer, and then work their way up
Speaker 3: the ranks where they haven't really had real life experience.
Speaker 3: For me, you know, like going to union's great, but
Speaker 3: then getting thrown into the defense just to be a politician.
Speaker 3: It's just, you know, there should be some sorts of
Speaker 3: rules where politicians have to have done other careers around
Speaker 3: businesses or something like that to get some real world
Speaker 3: experience rather than just being book smart. I'm a book smart,
Speaker 3: I'm straet smart, I'm a problem solve but I'm business smart.
Speaker 3: You know, we are a lot of these politicians just
Speaker 3: make decisions for their political career, their points to roar
Speaker 3: inability rather than you know, what's right for the people.
Speaker 1: I just want to point out here that while there
Speaker 1: are a certain number of politicians who go straight into
Speaker 1: politics from union work in those junior roles because they
Speaker 1: are so passionate about it. There are many who have
Speaker 1: had careers before getting into politics. I mean you just
Speaker 1: have to think of Julia Gillard and Malcolm Turnbull who
Speaker 1: had very successful careers in law before getting into politics.
Speaker 2: Even the essay.
Speaker 1: Premier Stephen Marshall used to run his father's furniture store,
Speaker 1: So I think it's a bit naive to say that
Speaker 1: no politicians have experience in running a business or having
Speaker 1: a career before politics. I think what he was really
Speaker 1: trying to do here is target Dan Andrews. He has
Speaker 1: been vile towards Dan Andrews. He continually calls him dictateord Dan,
Speaker 1: and I just find his whole stance very puzzling because
Speaker 1: he wants to be elected for this position, but having
Speaker 1: a look at what he actually stands for, it's all
Speaker 1: just in regards to COVID. There aren't many other areas
Speaker 1: he seems to be passionate about. Because he went on
Speaker 1: to explain that he only looked at the United Parties
Speaker 1: policy when he was applying for the position, which.
Speaker 2: I thought was pretty strange.
Speaker 1: Why would you apply to be a candidate for a
Speaker 1: party when you aren't even aware of their policies In
Speaker 1: the first place, because he wants to jump up and
Speaker 1: down and complain about vaccine mandates. Clearly now, Justin listed
Speaker 1: on Instagram the thirteen things he'd love to see happen
Speaker 1: if he was elected, and unfortunately the spelling errors continued.
Speaker 1: He wrote that he would push for a Royal communism
Speaker 1: into vaccine safety, and that was very awkward because he
Speaker 1: of course meant to write Royal Commission.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Luckily, someone in the comments section pointed out to him
Speaker 1: and he swiftly changed the spelling. He also said he'd
Speaker 1: like to end vaccine men have no vaccine passport, reform
Speaker 1: media and big tech censorship, and give rapid tests to
Speaker 1: all Australians. He also said he would lift bands on
Speaker 1: de register doctors who spoke against the government's narrative. The
Speaker 1: list just went on and on about COVID. I think
Speaker 1: the only policy I could really get around was that
Speaker 1: he wants Australia to become a more pet friendly nation.
Speaker 1: So basically he doesn't stand for anything except pets and COVID.
Speaker 2: Yep, pretty much pretty much.
Speaker 1: This seems very reminiscent of when Nick Russian was running
Speaker 1: for the mayor of Melbourne and he got all these
Speaker 1: social media influences to drum up.
Speaker 2: Votes for him.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like Mia has a big enough following
Speaker 1: for this to work for Justin. I mean, it didn't
Speaker 1: work for Nick Russian either. I think they just need
Speaker 1: to stick to the slicksticks, the dating apps, whatever they
Speaker 1: want to create.
Speaker 2: Know your Place.
Speaker 3: Oh and by the way, why are you?
Speaker 4: Apostrophe are means you are? Why do you are? Means your?
Speaker 1: Jamie Lin Spears's reputation is in tatters after appearing on
Speaker 1: popular podcasts Call Her Daddy to I wrote her new
Speaker 1: memoir Things I Should Have Said. Many of questioned whether
Speaker 1: the hit podcast should have given Jamie Lynn a platform,
Speaker 1: with many calling to cancel Call Her Daddy Now.
Speaker 3: Amy.
Speaker 2: It seems like the timing of.
Speaker 1: The interview hasn't been well received by the public and
Speaker 1: it has.
Speaker 2: Led to a lot of backlash. Yeah, it really has.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: Jamie Lynn's Call Her Daddy interview ed just a few
Speaker 1: months after Brittany was finally freed from her much publicized
Speaker 1: thirteen year conservativeship, and many people believe it was a
Speaker 1: bad move for Jamie Lynn to release her book so
Speaker 1: soon after.
Speaker 2: News of the conservativeship being dissolved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the book is really being viewed by many
Speaker 1: as a bit of a cash grab because it's being
Speaker 1: perceived that she's writing off the back of publicity after
Speaker 1: Britney's awful ordeal. Now Brittany has actually spoken publicly on
Speaker 1: social media calling out the book and subsequent interviews with
Speaker 1: Call Her Daddy and an interview Jamie Lind did on
Speaker 1: Good Morning America. And I mean, to me, it seems
Speaker 1: like a really odd move for Jamie Lynn to release
Speaker 1: this book at this time because at the moment, a
Speaker 1: lot of the public of viewing Britney's family through a
Speaker 1: very similar lens for their part in the Conservativeship, and
Speaker 1: many people think that what Britney's family did was absolutely disgusting.
Speaker 1: So Amy, for those who don't know much about this
Speaker 1: Conservative ship, can you bring us up to speed?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the Conservative Ship was put in place in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight after Brittany was hospitalized following a series
Speaker 1: of public incidents. So the Conservativeship gave her father, Jamie Spears,
Speaker 1: and Britney's management team total control over her finances and
Speaker 1: personal matters, and in June twenty twenty one, Brittany referred
Speaker 1: to the Conservativeship as abusive and claimed her father and
Speaker 1: management team would not allow her to see a doctor
Speaker 1: to remove her IUD and force her to take lithium
Speaker 1: and that's a drug that's used to treat bipolar disorder.
Speaker 2: A recent New.
Speaker 1: York Times documentary also aired allegations that her father planted
Speaker 1: a surveillance apparatus that captured audio recordings from her bedroom.
Speaker 1: So fans began a Free Britney movement, which gained worldwide attention,
Speaker 1: and in November twenty twenty one, Brittany was finally freed
Speaker 1: from her conservativeship. So during court proceedings, Britney accused her mother, father,
Speaker 1: and sister of doing nothing to help her. I feel
Speaker 1: like we've got to get into some of the most
Speaker 1: juicy points from this Call her Daddy interview. So Jamie
Speaker 1: Lynn really didn't hold back at all, and she did
Speaker 1: spill a lot of family secrets.
Speaker 2: So she spoke about her.
Speaker 1: Father's addiction to alcohol and how her mom was often
Speaker 1: too scared to stand up to him. She told Alex
Speaker 1: Cooper that Brittany had offered to buy her mom a
Speaker 1: house if she agreed to leave her dad, which she did. Now.
Speaker 1: Jamie Lynn also revealed that her mom had beaten her
Speaker 1: with a large beaded purse which contained a camera inside.
Speaker 1: She said her mum repeatedly swung the bag and it
Speaker 1: landed several blows to her shoulder. This part was quite
Speaker 1: sad because Jamie Lynn revealed to Alex that she always
Speaker 1: felt like an afterthought her whole life. She said, my
Speaker 1: whole life. I kind of felt like I didn't matter.
Speaker 1: She said from an early age, she knew she was
Speaker 1: an accident, so this was early on in the podcast.
Speaker 1: She basically said that her name Jamie Lynn. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've picked up on Sophie, but Jamie is
Speaker 1: her dad's name and Lynnie is her mom's name. What's interesting, though,
Speaker 1: is the Lynn in her name is spelled differently to
Speaker 1: the mother's spelling of it, and she said that just
Speaker 1: blew her mind, whereas Brittany and her brother both have
Speaker 1: been names, so she always knew. She's like, Mum, why
Speaker 1: did you call me this name? It's like you didn't
Speaker 1: even care about me. It's very strange, though, to have
Speaker 1: both your parents' names. I don't know, I said some
Speaker 1: sort of precedence though, that you're trying. I would have
Speaker 1: thought it set the precedents that you're trying to impress
Speaker 1: them and live up to their name. Well, her view
Speaker 1: was that they almost just couldn't be bothered to come
Speaker 1: up with a name, so they put their names together
Speaker 1: because from an early age, she was told that she
Speaker 1: was an accident because her dad had had a vasectomy
Speaker 1: before she was born and it hadn't worked well. Jamie
Speaker 1: Lynn did actually refute claims so that she was jealous
Speaker 1: of Brittany. She insisted that she was nothing but proud
Speaker 1: of her sister and she was inspired by her achievements.
Speaker 1: She told Alex I got to experience watching a woman
Speaker 1: take over the fucking world. How can I be jealous
Speaker 1: of that? I did feel bad listening to this part
Speaker 1: of the interview because I felt like Jamie Lynn really
Speaker 1: had to defend herself. I mean, there's been so much
Speaker 1: publicity basically around the fact that people believe Jamie Lynn
Speaker 1: is so jealous and that's why she's speaking out and
Speaker 1: as a sister, As someone who has two sisters, I
Speaker 1: think it would be hard not to be a little
Speaker 1: bit jealous. I mean, it might have been more human
Speaker 1: if she did admit that growing up, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: a bit jealous, but on hinndsight now as an adult,
Speaker 1: it was incredible to see Brittany takeover. I mean to
Speaker 1: be honest, from listening to the whole two part interview,
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't actually think she necessarily was
Speaker 1: jealous of Brittany, but I feel like she was more
Speaker 1: upset in terms of the.
Speaker 2: Treatment she received from her parents.
Speaker 1: I feel like her parents held Brittany up to such
Speaker 1: high regard because she was this cash cow making a
Speaker 1: lot of money, whereas, as she said, she was always
Speaker 1: an afterthought for her parents.
Speaker 2: We was pretty crazy because.
Speaker 1: I completely forgot that Jamie Lynn felt pregnant at Sea,
Speaker 1: because I haven't heard much about her child now because
Speaker 1: her child would be a teenager because she's now in
Speaker 1: her thirties. Yeah, her daughter's thirteen. So she fell pregnant.
Speaker 1: Remember she was on that Disney TV show and it
Speaker 1: was such big news. I remember Entertainment Tonight was going
Speaker 1: on about it. Well, particularly because there was so much
Speaker 1: media attention around the fact that Britney Spears wanted to
Speaker 1: remain a virgin. Yeah, but I think it was also
Speaker 1: because during this time, this is when Britney was having
Speaker 1: a few mental health issues as well. And there was
Speaker 1: a big spotlight on the family. But Jamie Lynn revealed
Speaker 1: how she basically had no say in where she wanted
Speaker 1: to live in anything to do with her baby. She
Speaker 1: said her team were pushing her to have an abortion
Speaker 1: and she was basically forced to live in this small
Speaker 1: country town with her mother with no internet for a
Speaker 1: few months before this all blew over. And so I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember this, but there was also
Speaker 1: a lot of media attention around the fact that Jamie
Speaker 1: Lynn basically divorced her parents, so she became emancipated from
Speaker 1: her parents. Wow. Now, probably one of the most sensational
Speaker 1: claims made by Jamie Lynn was that Brittany once pulled
Speaker 1: out a knife when Jamie Lynn was younger and locked
Speaker 1: the two in a room together. Now, this is something
Speaker 1: which Brittany has flat out denied. So Brittany took to
Speaker 1: social media to slam Jamie Lynn, writing, Jamie Lynn, congrats, babe,
Speaker 1: You've stooped to a whole new level of low. I've
Speaker 1: never been around you ever with a knife or what
Speaker 1: I ever even think to do such, So please please
Speaker 1: stop with these crazy lies for the Hollywood books. Now
Speaker 1: and only now, I do know only a scum person
Speaker 1: would make up such things about someone. I'm actually very
Speaker 1: confused about you making that up, because it's honestly not
Speaker 1: like you at all around the kids, Jamie Lynn. Seriously,
Speaker 1: come on, congrats on introducing to your older sister the
Speaker 1: concept of getting low lower lowest because you in on
Speaker 1: that one, babe. God, That's that's pretty telling, it is.
Speaker 1: And what's really interesting is that I feel like normally
Speaker 1: people might have slammed Brittany forgetting off on social media
Speaker 1: and airing dirty laundry and having a go at Jamie Lynn.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, social media has been the only
Speaker 1: way Brittany has really been able to speak out to
Speaker 1: her fans.
Speaker 2: And everyone is.
Speaker 1: So used to Brittany being so honest and open on
Speaker 1: social media that everyone's gone good on it, good on
Speaker 1: it for calling out Jamie Lynn. And you know these
Speaker 1: claims that Jamie Lynn has made on Call her Daddy?
Speaker 1: Is it wrong that I do feel a bit of
Speaker 1: sympathy for Jamie Lynn though it sounds like she has
Speaker 1: lived an absolutely abhorrent life and hasn't had much support
Speaker 1: from her family either. Well, this is the thing Jamie
Speaker 1: Lynn used this call her Daddy interview kind of to
Speaker 1: defend herself because there has been so many accusations about
Speaker 1: Jamie Lynn which have been made during this Conservativeship court case,
Speaker 1: so surely she should have a right of reply. So
Speaker 1: just like her parents have treated her awfully as well.
Speaker 1: Exactly so, Jamie Lynn has claimed that she did try
Speaker 1: and help get her sister out of this Conservativeship by
Speaker 1: offering her.
Speaker 2: Some legal advice.
Speaker 1: But to be honest, this was all very vague and
Speaker 1: quite hard to follow.
Speaker 2: In podcast Now.
Speaker 1: The planned two part Podcasts episode, it didn't really run
Speaker 1: as smoothly as Alex Cooper would have liked. No, it didn't,
Speaker 1: So the first episode dropped on January eighteenth. Then hours
Speaker 1: later there were reports that Britney's legal team had sent
Speaker 1: Jamie Lynn a cease and desist letter that ordered her
Speaker 1: not to mention Britney. So in the letter, Britney's lawyers wrote,
Speaker 1: although Brittany has not read and does not intend to
Speaker 1: read your book, she and millions of her fans were
Speaker 1: shocked to see.
Speaker 2: How you have exploited her for monetary gain.
Speaker 1: Now, the second installment of Jamie Lynn's interview on Caller
Speaker 1: Daddy was supposed to drop the next day on January nineteenth. However,
Speaker 1: due to the legal letter, it was uploaded the next
Speaker 1: day on January twentieth, and of course this helped call
Speaker 1: her daddy out so much because it built even more
Speaker 1: hype around this very much anticipated episode. Now, there has
Speaker 1: also been a lot of talk about Alex Cooper's interview style,
Speaker 1: and many critics have said that as an interviewer, Alex
Speaker 1: tends to favor her guests and you can tell that
Speaker 1: she tries to make her interview talent feel as comfortable
Speaker 1: as possible so that they keep speaking and opening up
Speaker 1: to her. How did you find her as an interviewer
Speaker 1: in this conversation, Well, I actually thought Alex did a
Speaker 1: good job of putting Jamie Lynn at ease. And obviously
Speaker 1: there would have been a lot of background work that
Speaker 1: went into getting this interview, as you'd know, Sophy. What
Speaker 1: they teach you in journalism is that you have to
Speaker 1: make your interview you feel comfortable enough to open up
Speaker 1: in the first place, and you're supposed to get all
Speaker 1: the easy questions out there to begin with and then
Speaker 1: hit them with the harder questions. And it's basically if
Speaker 1: they walk out of the interview You've still got some
Speaker 1: content there. But that's what Alex did. She did ask
Speaker 1: the tough questions later on in the interview. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I feel like at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: people can critique Alex's interview skills all they like, but
Speaker 1: the success of call Their Daddy and Alex Cooper is
Speaker 1: the fact that they were even able to book Jamie
Speaker 1: Lynn's interview and they were able to get access to her.
Speaker 1: Because this is arguably one of the biggest pop culture
Speaker 1: stories of the last five years, and it shows just
Speaker 1: how powerful Call Her Daddy is As a journalist. I
Speaker 1: really feel like you need to allow your talent, as
Speaker 1: you say, Amy, to feel comfortable and safe to open up.
Speaker 1: And I feel like Alex in the moments where Alex
Speaker 1: needed to, she did press certain topics and you know,
Speaker 1: ask for more information. I mean, legally, they wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been able to put that interview out there if they
Speaker 1: didn't have the details that they needed from Jamie exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really interesting as well when you do
Speaker 1: look at the evolution of Caller Daddy, because I feel like,
Speaker 1: since the highly publicized departure of Sophia Franklin, who was
Speaker 1: the co host of Call It Daddy. There has been
Speaker 1: a conscious effort made by Alex to take the podcast
Speaker 1: into a new era, and she's openly dubbed this the
Speaker 1: single father era. So when the podcast was still with Barstool,
Speaker 1: which is a network that really only ran male dominated podcasts,
Speaker 1: there were a lot of sports podcasts, you could clearly
Speaker 1: see a shift in the type of content Alex discussed,
Speaker 1: and there was more of an effort to talk to
Speaker 1: big name guests like Miley Cyrus and well known influencers
Speaker 1: once Sophia had left the show, and even now since
Speaker 1: the sixty million dollar deal with Spotify, we are seeing
Speaker 1: a change in how Alex and the show is marketed.
Speaker 1: So we can see that Alex is tackling bigger issues
Speaker 1: and she has moved away from just talking to influencers
Speaker 1: and reality stars about their sex lives. And in the
Speaker 1: last couple of months, we've seen high profile interviews with
Speaker 1: Emily Radikowski, who spoke out about her sexual assault, and
Speaker 1: she also did a high profile interview with Amanda Knox,
Speaker 1: who was wrongly accused of murder. That's the thing, like,
Speaker 1: I don't think Alex Cooper is claiming to be a
Speaker 1: journalist it is different when journalists interview big names and
Speaker 1: are too scared to ask the tough questions. She's a
Speaker 1: personality in herself. Yes, she's a podcaster, she's not a journalist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I agree with that, But I'm more talking
Speaker 1: about the evolution of caller Daddy because even our mom
Speaker 1: has been listening to call her Daddy, and you think
Speaker 1: back to even last year, you'd never be like, oh, mum,
Speaker 1: go listen to call her daddy, Like listen to the
Speaker 1: gluck gluck nine thousand. The fact is Alex has taken
Speaker 1: this podcast from being predominantly a sort of shock factor
Speaker 1: sex podc into a real pop culture podcast that people
Speaker 1: are talking about, and people are taking it more seriously. Well,
Speaker 1: I feel like people have taken and call her daddy
Speaker 1: seriously though to begin with, because it was so sex positive.
Speaker 1: I think she has really built herself up to be
Speaker 1: a huge feminist, is someone that a lot of women
Speaker 1: can look up to because she is sex positive and
Speaker 1: she's also speaking to an incredible array of talented women
Speaker 1: men on important topic.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: That's why her fans, who she's dubbed as a daddy gang,
Speaker 1: that's why they love her for all of those reasons
Speaker 1: that you've mentioned. However, it's really interesting because the Daddy
Speaker 1: gang is.
Speaker 2: Almost turning on Alex now.
Speaker 1: And there has been a lot of criticism on the
Speaker 1: podcast official subreddit page about this interview. So a lot
Speaker 1: of people said that Alex didn't go hard enough on
Speaker 1: Jamie Lynn. And this follows criticisms of Alex's interview with
Speaker 1: former US Bachelor Coulton Underwood, who came out as gay.
Speaker 1: So many fans were angry that call her Daddy would
Speaker 1: give Coulton a platform after he was accused of stalking
Speaker 1: and harassing his Egges girlfriend Cassie Randolph. And there is
Speaker 1: this view that since Alex signed on with Spotify for
Speaker 1: the sixty million dollar deal, that she's willing to make
Speaker 1: trade offs which she previously wouldn't have done in order
Speaker 1: to grow the empire that is called it Daddy. So
Speaker 1: people feel like normally she wouldn't have spoken to Coulton Underwood,
Speaker 1: but maybe she had to try and get a big
Speaker 1: name on to live up to this Spotify deal. See
Speaker 1: I disagree with the criticism over the Coulton Underwood interview.
Speaker 1: I think that it was fantastic that she spoke to
Speaker 1: him and gave a perspective of a gay man having
Speaker 1: to live a secret life and the fact that he
Speaker 1: had so much pressure on him growing up as a
Speaker 1: Christian not to come out. I think there were so
Speaker 1: many important conversations to be had there there was.
Speaker 2: And she did slam him for his treatment of Cassie.
Speaker 2: That was evident.
Speaker 1: She did actually go hard on him about it. But
Speaker 1: I feel like people just want to go, well, why
Speaker 1: should we let him have a voice.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't let him say what he wants to say
Speaker 2: to be canceled, to be fair as you're saying.
Speaker 1: I think when podcasts get larger and you open yourself
Speaker 1: up to new audiences, that's when the criticism does come in.
Speaker 1: And obviously people must be sitting at home thinking, Wow,
Speaker 1: this girl has sixty million dollars in her bank account
Speaker 1: for doing this, So I'm going to be as highly
Speaker 1: critical of her as I can be her. Well, the
Speaker 1: backlash did prompt Alex to put out a mini episode
Speaker 1: called Cancel Call Her Daddy, and this is where she
Speaker 1: addressed all of the drama involving the Jamie Lynn interview.
Speaker 1: And I really loved this episode because Alex was so
Speaker 1: open and honest, and it was quite funny because this
Speaker 1: interview with Jamie Lynn it was the first time that
Speaker 1: they included video as well as audio of the interview,
Speaker 1: and she basically said it was just such a headfuck
Speaker 1: to get this video to work because Alex edits all
Speaker 1: of her podcasts herself, so she had to edit the video.
Speaker 1: She basically said, the video kept lagging and when she
Speaker 1: was speaking, the audio wouldn't match ups.
Speaker 2: It was a complete nightmare.
Speaker 1: She also revealed that this was the most downloaded episode
Speaker 1: ever of Call Her Daddy, and she said that she
Speaker 1: finds it really funny because so many people slammed her
Speaker 1: for her choice to interview Jamie Lynd Spears. But everybody
Speaker 1: clearly listened.
Speaker 2: But that's when the criticism comes.
Speaker 1: It's people who have never listened to the podcast before
Speaker 1: are only listening because they've heard about it in the
Speaker 1: media and they just think, Oh, I'm going to pile
Speaker 1: on and say something negative.
Speaker 2: Well let's go to alexiscrab.
Speaker 4: Thought it was funny when people like cancel Call Her Daddy,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, yes, Caller Daddy is canceled. Boop okay
Speaker 4: uploading Part two See Fuckers next Wednesday. You know, media
Speaker 4: these days, it's always like, don't give people a platforms,
Speaker 4: Silence them, silence them. No, if I think someone has
Speaker 4: a story that can be interesting and entertaining to be told,
Speaker 4: even if it's controversial, even if you if it makes
Speaker 4: you feel uneasy, that is the beauty of media. We
Speaker 4: can give people the opportunity to speak and you don't
Speaker 4: have to agree.
Speaker 1: Now, this interview has spark debate about whether Caller Daddy
Speaker 1: is in fact a feminist podcast, because when Caller Daddy
Speaker 1: first came out, many detractors said the podcast prioritize male
Speaker 1: pleasure and promoted patriarchal beauty standards and also objectified women. However,
Speaker 1: fans argued that the show has empowered.
Speaker 2: So many women in the bedroom.
Speaker 1: Well, it's pretty obvious when you do look at the
Speaker 1: new era of Caller Daddy on Spotify that it has
Speaker 1: been marketed as a podcast for women to be able
Speaker 1: to explore their sexuality relationships as well as their mental
Speaker 1: health and following the move, many critics have said that
Speaker 1: Alex has utilized the press coverage of the sixty million
Speaker 1: dollar Spotify deal to appear as a feminist. So she
Speaker 1: spoke a lot about her triumphed over a male dominated
Speaker 1: industry to be able to get to the point of
Speaker 1: having a sixty million dollar podcast. I think it's a
Speaker 1: really interesting concept that as a feminist you can only
Speaker 1: interview other feminists or other people who share your exact
Speaker 1: point of view, because isn't the point of interviewing people
Speaker 1: to explore other people's opinions. And yes, I understand the
Speaker 1: argument about platforming someone and giving some I'm on a
Speaker 1: huge platform to speak on. However, I think that Alex
Speaker 1: questioned Jamie Lynn in parts she needed to be questioning,
Speaker 1: and it's not all black and white. It kind of
Speaker 1: annoys me that people are saying, oh, well, Alex can't
Speaker 1: interview Jamie Lynn because she's a feminist. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like weaponizing her being a feminist. It's sort of saying like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: if you stand for this, you can't stand for that.
Speaker 2: But as a.
Speaker 1: Journalist, I've interviewed countless people for stories that I dislike
Speaker 1: and I don't agree with what they're saying. It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that I then agree with their point of view.
Speaker 1: I mean, I read this really interesting article and it
Speaker 1: said that perhaps a better term for Alex Cooper is
Speaker 1: actually girl boss, which I know you don't like this term, Sophie.
Speaker 1: I don't really like it either, but they're saying that
Speaker 1: the idea of a girl boss is a woman who,
Speaker 1: rather than liberating herself from the capitalist patriarchy, decides to
Speaker 1: sit a top of it, and I feel like that
Speaker 1: is kind of a good definition of Alex Cooper. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for. Thank you
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