1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 2: Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torba. 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions, 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women. That is 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: so fetch Thank you, welcome back to Outspoken. Now, I 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: can't quite believe what I'm seeing on Instagram at the 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: moment of what I have just seen. So Sophie Kasha 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: has just shed an Instagram story of her partner Mattie 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: Garrick playing a recording in slow mo of her parts 12 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: back to Sophie Kation. Now, I think that that signifies 13 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: true love that Sophie is happy. 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: To sit there and listen to that. 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: So what's the context of this insta story? Why is 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: she playing back her farts? There is no context, no 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: context whatsoever. She is just something she enjoys doing. She 18 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: enjoyed recording her farts and then she wanted to go 19 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: on show. 20 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: So see just proud of them. 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: I suppose I actually have a friend who downloaded an 22 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: app on their phone and it's the one where you 23 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: can hear how many times you wake up in the night. 24 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: So basically, if you make any sound in your sleep, 25 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: like snoring or whatever, it starts recording. 26 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people. 27 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: Use it to see if they sleep. Talk to this 28 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: friend of mine, she recorded it and it picked up 29 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: her husband doing the loudest, most disgusting fart you've ever heard, 30 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: and it was the funniest thing. Ever. It's just so 31 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: foreign to me because I feel like that's something that 32 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: you want to hide from your partner. Like I feel 33 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: like a lot of women go out of their way 34 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: not to far in front of their partner, so to 35 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: record it and then send it directly to them, it 36 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: just sounds insane to me. See to me, I actually 37 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: think it's a sign that you're very comfortable around someone 38 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: and that you've reached this new level of intimacy. I mean, 39 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: I think the recording of it and the playing back 40 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: in slow mode is a little bit much for me, 41 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: and I would have no interest in hearing Brandon playback 42 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,639 Speaker 1: is fast. Do you know what, though, I can see 43 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: the side of the fart being in slow mo, because 44 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: if it's just like it is pretty funny, but probably 45 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: not something i'd be showing to Dale. 46 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: I don't think. 47 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: Was that a fight? 48 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 4: I can teast it, Okay, I'll be honest with you. 49 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 4: I did it so onion, onion and onion and ketchup. 50 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: It's six Kayla, It's Cenis has unveiled her new boyfriend, 51 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: just two weeks after her ex Toby Pierce went public 52 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: with his new fitness influencer girlfriend Rachel Dylan Amy can 53 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: you tell us more? Kayla shared a photo of her 54 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: and her new partner, Jay Woodroff to her nearly fourteen 55 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: million Instagram followers on Friday morning, and the pair looked 56 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: very loved. 57 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: Up in the photo. They had big smiles. Actually, everyone 58 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: was commenting on just. 59 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: How white their teeth looked as well, and in the caption, 60 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: Kayla wrote, meet Jay everyone, my best friend for years 61 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: and now partner. 62 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: For all those people. 63 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: Replying into my story saying you look really happy, thank you. 64 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: I am so. 65 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: The relationship comes as no surprise, with Kayla and Jay 66 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: already papped many times in Adelaide, and while it's the 67 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: first time Kayla has shared a photo of her new 68 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: boyfriend on her public Instagram account, Jay has shared quite 69 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: a few. 70 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: The first one was back. 71 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: On November twenty eight, twenty twenty one, with Kayla cuddling 72 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: into him while posing in sunglasses, and Jay also shared 73 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: a real of the couple's holiday to Sydney and nooser 74 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: So at the time of recording, Jay has attracted around 75 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: eight thousand new followers, and he's already added the initials 76 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: ki with a love heart into his bio on Instagram. 77 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: Can I just say her previous boyfriend for two seconds? Mitch? 78 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: He also had Kayla's initials in his bio. It kind 79 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: of reminds me of that very teenage thing where you've 80 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: got to make sure that your girlfriend's initials are in 81 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: your bill, keep them happy. 82 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: Do you have Brandon's initials? I feel like that's something 83 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: that you guys would do. No, I don't at all. 84 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: I did not have that. 85 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: I feel like it's the cooler version of Facebook official. 86 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: I actually don't know if it is the cool thing 87 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: to do. I feel like it's very high school. But 88 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: if it's kind of possessive, like this person is mine, 89 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: I feel like it's. 90 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: A real new love thing. 91 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: Like I'm not going to go and put Dale's initials 92 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: in mind, But if you've just got a new boyfriend. 93 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: You're probably like, Oh, I'm excited to put his initials in. 94 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: They definitely are very loved up on Instagram because they've 95 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: also created a couple's account called It's Jayla Here, and 96 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: it appears they're going to be posting a lot of 97 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: content from their upcoming holiday to the US, because Jay 98 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,239 Speaker 1: did announce on his Instagram on Friday that it's seven 99 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: days until the couple jet sets off to the US. 100 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm assuming for some type of boot camp with Kayla. 101 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: Do you reckon that this holiday is the reason that 102 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: they're going public with the relationship or do you think 103 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: it more has to do with the fact that Toby 104 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: and Rachel are getting so much attention over their relationship. Well, 105 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: the timing was interesting, as you said, because it was 106 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: only two weeks ago that Toby Pierce debuted his new girlfriend, 107 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: Rachel Dylan. So perhaps it was seeing how well that 108 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: news was received that Kayla thought, oh, stuff it, I 109 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: might as well go public with my partner that I've 110 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: had for a while. Kayla's mum also got into the action. 111 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: She put up a post saying, welcome to the family. Jay, 112 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: you make my daughter smile, So I like you so 113 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: kay I want to hear all the juicy details you've uncovered, 114 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: because you've done a bit of digging. Yeah. Well, I 115 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: want to set the scene because we have spoken about 116 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: Kayla and Jay before on the podcast. But for those 117 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: who don't know, as reported on the podcast and also 118 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: several news publications, Kayler and her now boyfriend Jay used 119 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: to be neighbors in Malvin. And for those who were 120 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: listening that aren't from Adelaide, that is a suburb in Adelaide. 121 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: It is. We're not trying to say Melbourne. We had 122 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: a listener a couple of weeks ago, say, you say 123 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: Melbourne's so funny, So it's Malvin. Does it actually think 124 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: a suburb? 125 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? 126 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: Don't they have Maulvin in Yeah? 127 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: Yeah? So yeah, said a little bit differently in Melbourne. 128 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: So Jay was living in Malvin with his girlfriend of 129 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: five years, Lauren Beletti, and Kayler and her then boyfriend 130 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: Mitch even went on a couple's holiday with Jay and 131 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: Lauren to Queensland in May twenty twenty one. 132 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 2: However, just months. 133 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: Later, Kayla and Jay appeared to have started dating, and 134 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: while Lauren no longer follows Jay and Kayla on Instagram, 135 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: she and Kayla's ex Mitch are still friends, so Mitch 136 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: even commented on the post Lauren shared about moving house 137 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: in December, writing congrats mate, you deserve this win with 138 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: a thumbs up emoji. 139 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 4: Now. 140 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: Another one of Lauren's friends wrote on the post, look 141 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: at you. So proud of everything you've achieved. Can't wait 142 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: to celebrate many more achievements. Even though August was your 143 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: hardest month, you were still able to achieve this. Love 144 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: you boo now. I just thought it was very telling 145 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: the timeline of this August was really hard for you 146 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: because I'm guessing that's when Jay broke up with Lauren, 147 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: and it just shows how sort of close the timelines 148 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: are in relation to the holiday that the couples went on. 149 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: I mean, there's only a few months where all of 150 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: this happened and everything sort of imploded. But it's important 151 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: to note that Kayla's grandfather of all people, has confirmed 152 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: on Instagram last week that there was no infidelity involved 153 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: in this new love match. Now is literally the best 154 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: account I've seen on Instagram, and John created the account 155 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: on the eighteenth of January and he's already got over 156 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: twenty two thousand followers. So if anyone is looking for 157 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: a laugh, I highly recommend you go follow the account 158 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: which is called it Cina's Family. Now it's quite clear 159 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: that Kayla or her sister Leah is running the account. 160 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: They have denied it. However, I would put my money 161 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: on the fact that it's one of them, and I 162 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: really liked seeing this side of Kayler or Leah's personality 163 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: because it's bloody funny. They're all taking the piss out 164 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: of each other. And they even did a Q and 165 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: A as John, So he set the records straight on 166 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: his granddaughter's relationship in the Q and A. So when 167 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: asked how Kayla met her new boyfriend, John wrote, so 168 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: glad I can clear this mess up. Jay and Kayler 169 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: were best friends for years. It was Kayla, Jay and 170 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: Steve three idiots, both had partners, both split with their partners, 171 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: and later got together. Having been best friends for years, 172 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: it was easy to accept Jay into the family because 173 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 1: he had already been part of it as Kayla's best friend. 174 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: The variation to this story is a lie slash guest 175 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: might drop and so. John's Instagram account also includes a 176 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: post with a blurb about each family member, including Jay. 177 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: So John said, Jay is secretly German, pretending to be 178 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: an Aussie and rocks up to my house every month 179 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: with a new car. He also said that he makes 180 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: an effort to come over every day to have a 181 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: coffee with him and his wife Angela. Now I thought 182 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: it was quite entertaining because someone asked, when did you 183 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: realize you liked Jay, and the grandfather replied with some 184 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: vision of Jay killing a spider with cooking spray and 185 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: lighting it on fire. See for me, I'm not like 186 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: the Estina's grandfather. That puts me off. I don't like 187 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: to hear that people lighting bugs on fire. I get 188 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: told off by Brandon all the time because Brandon grew 189 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: up in the country, so he and his family hate 190 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: insects like most people. 191 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 2: And I save spiders. 192 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: And I saved them all because I'm a vegetarian except mosquitos. 193 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: I kill mosquitos. 194 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: Anyway, Well, what did you guys think about the scrutiny 195 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,479 Speaker 1: around and Jay's relationship? 196 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 2: Did you think it was fair? 197 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: Look, I'm not surprised that there has been so much 198 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: interest in their relationship and so many rumors surrounding it, 199 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: because obviously they both had partners so close together, and 200 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: also the fact that Kayla and Jay's girlfriend were friends, 201 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: and I feel like a lot of people talk in Adelaide. 202 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of wild rumors going around. That's 203 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 2: the thing. 204 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: It is a pretty complex situation, particularly for the fact 205 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: that it does appear that Kayla did befriend Lauren at 206 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: some point, and obviously there is some contention whether she 207 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: was friends with Jay first. However, I think a lot 208 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: of people are reacting to it because it kind of 209 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: breaks a bit of girl coade because generally, if you're 210 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: friends with someone, you don't date their partner, so, you know, 211 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: any sort of speculation of cheating aside, I think there 212 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: was always going to be rumors about this relationship, and 213 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: I'm interested to see if Lauren does come out and 214 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: say something at one point, because she has remained very 215 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 1: quiet on the issue. Yeah, And the thing is, it's 216 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: really awkward because when you look back at Lauren's Instagram account, 217 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: she has a lot of photos still up with Jay, 218 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: and Kayla has commented on the photos, you know, little 219 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: love hearts or just comments like great photo, And when 220 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: you look at that, it's really awkward. But the thing is, 221 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: I actually feel for everyone in this situation. Because Kayla's 222 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: family have said there was no cheating involved, they were 223 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: friends and both parties were split up from their partners, 224 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: so it's really hard to judge because it would be 225 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: a hard situation. We've got to remember that Kayla was 226 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: with her partner for eight years, and it sounds like 227 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: her and Jay were friends for a long time. So 228 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: there is that awkward thing where maybe you've had a 229 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: secret crush on someone but they've got a partner and 230 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: your past don't seem to match up, and maybe in 231 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: this instance, it was that occasion where hey, they were 232 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: suddenly both found themselves single. I just think it's awkward 233 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: with the timeline, considering that they all had gone on 234 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: a couple's holiday a couple of months before the breakup happened. 235 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: That's the thing I feel like it is the foundations 236 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: for really great relationship, the fact that they have been 237 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: best friends for so many years. They obviously have a 238 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: lot of respect for one another, and it is really 239 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: nice to see them both looking so happy together. Just 240 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: to wrap things up, it's quite interesting because Kayla's ex, Mitch, 241 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: who was never hard launched on her profile, actually hard 242 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: launched his new relationship with his girlfriend on January twenty, 243 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: so it was quite a busy time for this Love 244 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: Square in terms of announcing relationships. As for Kayla's ex Toby, 245 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: it's reported he has just purchased a five point three 246 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: million dollar penthouse apartment in Adelaide. The apartment has five bedrooms, 247 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: four bathrooms, with the rooftop entertaining area featuring a built 248 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: in barbecue wood, five peaks, oven, spa and bar entire 249 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: Channel four news team I'm Veronica Corningstone and I'm Ron Burgundy. 250 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 4: Go fuck yourself, San Diego. 251 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: Slickstick owner Mia Pleasick has announced her boyfriend Justin Borg 252 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: is an official endorsed candidate for Melbourne in the upcoming 253 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: federal election for Clive Palmer's United Party, Amy, can you 254 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit more about Mia plasic So. 255 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: Mia is an entrepreneur and influencer who we've discussed a 256 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: few times on the podcast. She has seventy five thousand 257 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: followers on TikTok and sixteen point six on Instagram. So 258 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: during the pandemic, Mia launch Slickstick, which is a hair 259 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: one designed to keep stray hairs in place. So MIA's 260 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: quite controversial. She's been accused of being anti lockdown after 261 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: she posted a video of herself attending the first Freedom 262 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: Rallies in Melbourne. So In the video, she shared vision 263 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: of the sea of protesters with the caption what the 264 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: media won't show you Thirty thousand Victorians protesting for their 265 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: rights for freedom. Mia has also been accused of being 266 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: anti vax after she shared on her Instagram story that 267 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: she would not be bribed into getting the vaccination with. 268 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 2: The lure of travel. 269 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: Her follower asked her in a Q and A if 270 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: she will get the vaccine if it's a prerequisite to travel. 271 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: Mia responded saying no, I'll pay a black market doctor 272 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: to sign my COVID pass. What if I have to, 273 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. I'll go as far as 274 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: I need. Nobody will bribe me to jab poison in 275 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: my body in order to be free. Mia then back 276 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: down and she changed her chin completely, saying what I 277 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: choose to do or not to do with my body 278 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: is nobody's business. 279 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 2: So now that we know Mia, who is her boyfriend? 280 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,239 Speaker 1: Well, Justin describes himself as a thirty two year old entrepreneur. 281 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: Now he released an extensive video explaining his political standpoint 282 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: and policies, but didn't really explain his background in business 283 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: thus far, so I did a bit of digging now. 284 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: Apparently Justin completed an event management and marketing degree. He 285 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: also previously worked as a caravan salesman before starting a 286 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: dating app in twenty seventeen called spot It on LinkedIn. 287 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: It also says he is an investor for a Melbourne 288 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: startup now similar to Mia, Justin has been very critical 289 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: across his social media about the lockdowns and also the vaccine. 290 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: He has shared numerous Instagram stories of himself at freedom protests, 291 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: writing captions like you can stick the vaccine up your ass. 292 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: He also wrote so proud we are finally standing up 293 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: to this dictatorship. He also shared a meme saying that 294 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: he would fly privately to avoid any vaccine mandates now. 295 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: Last week, Miya shared a photo of Justin standing in 296 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: front of a United Party sign that said vote for Freedom. 297 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: In the post, she wrote, so proud of you, just 298 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: the official endorsed candidate for Melbourne in the upcoming federal 299 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: election for the United Party. Your passion for this country's 300 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: freedom is commendable if you're in the Melbourne electorate and 301 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: want to help with his upcoming campaign get in touch, 302 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: and then she tagged his Instagram handle. She finished the 303 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: post by hashtagging hottest politician ever. Now I'm going to 304 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: get a little bit ross Gelli here for a moment, 305 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: because this comment from mea was very difficult to read 306 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: out because not only did she spell electorate incorrectly, she 307 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: also used the incorrect plural for countries and also did 308 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: not put an apostrophe in there. You'd think with this 309 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: sort of post, you would want to get the spelling 310 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: right so that you're taken seriously, we're talking about posts. 311 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: Justin also shared the news on his social media saying 312 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: never in a million years did he think he'd ever 313 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: get into politics. However, he can no longer sit back 314 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: and let this country suffer anymore. He finished by saying 315 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: everyone needs the freedom of choice and I'm ready to 316 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: fight for all Australians. Justin then shared a lengthy twenty 317 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: two minute video talking about his common sense approach to 318 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: politics and after watching it, I literally want the twenty 319 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: two minutes back of my life now. 320 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: He said. 321 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: He thinks there should be a rule that politicians must 322 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: have done another career or run a business before getting 323 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: into politics. He said, so many simply get out of 324 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: UNI and go straight into politics and have no life experience. 325 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: He said that while he is not book smarts, he 326 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: is street smarts. 327 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of politicians these days have 328 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 3: just cave shout out of UNI. He always wanted to 329 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 3: be at being politics, you know, start off as a 330 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 3: staffer or a volunteer, and then work their way up 331 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 3: the ranks where they haven't really had real life experience. 332 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 3: For me, you know, like going to union's great, but 333 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 3: then getting thrown into the defense just to be a politician. 334 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 3: It's just, you know, there should be some sorts of 335 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 3: rules where politicians have to have done other careers around 336 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: businesses or something like that to get some real world 337 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 3: experience rather than just being book smart. I'm a book smart, 338 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: I'm straet smart, I'm a problem solve but I'm business smart. 339 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 3: You know, we are a lot of these politicians just 340 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 3: make decisions for their political career, their points to roar 341 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 3: inability rather than you know, what's right for the people. 342 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: I just want to point out here that while there 343 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: are a certain number of politicians who go straight into 344 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: politics from union work in those junior roles because they 345 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: are so passionate about it. There are many who have 346 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: had careers before getting into politics. I mean you just 347 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: have to think of Julia Gillard and Malcolm Turnbull who 348 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: had very successful careers in law before getting into politics. 349 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: Even the essay. 350 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: Premier Stephen Marshall used to run his father's furniture store, 351 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: So I think it's a bit naive to say that 352 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: no politicians have experience in running a business or having 353 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: a career before politics. I think what he was really 354 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: trying to do here is target Dan Andrews. He has 355 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: been vile towards Dan Andrews. He continually calls him dictateord Dan, 356 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: and I just find his whole stance very puzzling because 357 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: he wants to be elected for this position, but having 358 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: a look at what he actually stands for, it's all 359 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: just in regards to COVID. There aren't many other areas 360 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: he seems to be passionate about. Because he went on 361 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: to explain that he only looked at the United Parties 362 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: policy when he was applying for the position, which. 363 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 2: I thought was pretty strange. 364 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: Why would you apply to be a candidate for a 365 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: party when you aren't even aware of their policies In 366 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: the first place, because he wants to jump up and 367 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: down and complain about vaccine mandates. Clearly now, Justin listed 368 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: on Instagram the thirteen things he'd love to see happen 369 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: if he was elected, and unfortunately the spelling errors continued. 370 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: He wrote that he would push for a Royal communism 371 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: into vaccine safety, and that was very awkward because he 372 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: of course meant to write Royal Commission. 373 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 3: Now. 374 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: Luckily, someone in the comments section pointed out to him 375 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: and he swiftly changed the spelling. He also said he'd 376 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: like to end vaccine men have no vaccine passport, reform 377 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: media and big tech censorship, and give rapid tests to 378 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: all Australians. He also said he would lift bands on 379 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: de register doctors who spoke against the government's narrative. The 380 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: list just went on and on about COVID. I think 381 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: the only policy I could really get around was that 382 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: he wants Australia to become a more pet friendly nation. 383 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: So basically he doesn't stand for anything except pets and COVID. 384 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: Yep, pretty much pretty much. 385 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: This seems very reminiscent of when Nick Russian was running 386 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: for the mayor of Melbourne and he got all these 387 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: social media influences to drum up. 388 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: Votes for him. 389 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: I don't feel like Mia has a big enough following 390 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: for this to work for Justin. I mean, it didn't 391 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 1: work for Nick Russian either. I think they just need 392 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: to stick to the slicksticks, the dating apps, whatever they 393 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: want to create. 394 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 2: Know your Place. 395 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 3: Oh and by the way, why are you? 396 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 4: Apostrophe are means you are? Why do you are? Means your? 397 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: Jamie Lin Spears's reputation is in tatters after appearing on 398 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: popular podcasts Call Her Daddy to I wrote her new 399 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: memoir Things I Should Have Said. Many of questioned whether 400 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: the hit podcast should have given Jamie Lynn a platform, 401 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: with many calling to cancel Call Her Daddy Now. 402 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 3: Amy. 403 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: It seems like the timing of. 404 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: The interview hasn't been well received by the public and 405 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: it has. 406 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: Led to a lot of backlash. Yeah, it really has. 407 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: So. 408 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: Jamie Lynn's Call Her Daddy interview ed just a few 409 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: months after Brittany was finally freed from her much publicized 410 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: thirteen year conservativeship, and many people believe it was a 411 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: bad move for Jamie Lynn to release her book so 412 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: soon after. 413 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: News of the conservativeship being dissolved. 414 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the book is really being viewed by many 415 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: as a bit of a cash grab because it's being 416 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: perceived that she's writing off the back of publicity after 417 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: Britney's awful ordeal. Now Brittany has actually spoken publicly on 418 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: social media calling out the book and subsequent interviews with 419 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: Call Her Daddy and an interview Jamie Lind did on 420 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: Good Morning America. And I mean, to me, it seems 421 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: like a really odd move for Jamie Lynn to release 422 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: this book at this time because at the moment, a 423 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: lot of the public of viewing Britney's family through a 424 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: very similar lens for their part in the Conservativeship, and 425 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: many people think that what Britney's family did was absolutely disgusting. 426 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: So Amy, for those who don't know much about this 427 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: Conservative ship, can you bring us up to speed? 428 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 429 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: So the Conservative Ship was put in place in two 430 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: thousand and eight after Brittany was hospitalized following a series 431 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: of public incidents. So the Conservativeship gave her father, Jamie Spears, 432 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: and Britney's management team total control over her finances and 433 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: personal matters, and in June twenty twenty one, Brittany referred 434 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: to the Conservativeship as abusive and claimed her father and 435 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 1: management team would not allow her to see a doctor 436 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: to remove her IUD and force her to take lithium 437 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: and that's a drug that's used to treat bipolar disorder. 438 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: A recent New. 439 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: York Times documentary also aired allegations that her father planted 440 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: a surveillance apparatus that captured audio recordings from her bedroom. 441 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: So fans began a Free Britney movement, which gained worldwide attention, 442 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: and in November twenty twenty one, Brittany was finally freed 443 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: from her conservativeship. So during court proceedings, Britney accused her mother, father, 444 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: and sister of doing nothing to help her. I feel 445 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: like we've got to get into some of the most 446 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: juicy points from this Call her Daddy interview. So Jamie 447 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: Lynn really didn't hold back at all, and she did 448 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,959 Speaker 1: spill a lot of family secrets. 449 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: So she spoke about her. 450 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: Father's addiction to alcohol and how her mom was often 451 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: too scared to stand up to him. She told Alex 452 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: Cooper that Brittany had offered to buy her mom a 453 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: house if she agreed to leave her dad, which she did. Now. 454 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: Jamie Lynn also revealed that her mom had beaten her 455 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: with a large beaded purse which contained a camera inside. 456 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: She said her mum repeatedly swung the bag and it 457 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: landed several blows to her shoulder. This part was quite 458 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: sad because Jamie Lynn revealed to Alex that she always 459 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: felt like an afterthought her whole life. She said, my 460 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: whole life. I kind of felt like I didn't matter. 461 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: She said from an early age, she knew she was 462 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: an accident, so this was early on in the podcast. 463 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: She basically said that her name Jamie Lynn. I don't 464 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: know if you've picked up on Sophie, but Jamie is 465 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: her dad's name and Lynnie is her mom's name. What's interesting, though, 466 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: is the Lynn in her name is spelled differently to 467 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: the mother's spelling of it, and she said that just 468 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: blew her mind, whereas Brittany and her brother both have 469 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: been names, so she always knew. She's like, Mum, why 470 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: did you call me this name? It's like you didn't 471 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: even care about me. It's very strange, though, to have 472 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: both your parents' names. I don't know, I said some 473 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: sort of precedence though, that you're trying. I would have 474 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: thought it set the precedents that you're trying to impress 475 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: them and live up to their name. Well, her view 476 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: was that they almost just couldn't be bothered to come 477 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: up with a name, so they put their names together 478 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,959 Speaker 1: because from an early age, she was told that she 479 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: was an accident because her dad had had a vasectomy 480 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: before she was born and it hadn't worked well. Jamie 481 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: Lynn did actually refute claims so that she was jealous 482 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: of Brittany. She insisted that she was nothing but proud 483 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: of her sister and she was inspired by her achievements. 484 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: She told Alex I got to experience watching a woman 485 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: take over the fucking world. How can I be jealous 486 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: of that? I did feel bad listening to this part 487 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: of the interview because I felt like Jamie Lynn really 488 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: had to defend herself. I mean, there's been so much 489 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: publicity basically around the fact that people believe Jamie Lynn 490 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: is so jealous and that's why she's speaking out and 491 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: as a sister, As someone who has two sisters, I 492 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: think it would be hard not to be a little 493 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: bit jealous. I mean, it might have been more human 494 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: if she did admit that growing up, yeah, I was 495 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: a bit jealous, but on hinndsight now as an adult, 496 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: it was incredible to see Brittany takeover. I mean to 497 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 1: be honest, from listening to the whole two part interview, 498 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: I feel like I don't actually think she necessarily was 499 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: jealous of Brittany, but I feel like she was more 500 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: upset in terms of the. 501 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 2: Treatment she received from her parents. 502 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: I feel like her parents held Brittany up to such 503 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: high regard because she was this cash cow making a 504 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: lot of money, whereas, as she said, she was always 505 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: an afterthought for her parents. 506 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 2: We was pretty crazy because. 507 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: I completely forgot that Jamie Lynn felt pregnant at Sea, 508 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: because I haven't heard much about her child now because 509 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: her child would be a teenager because she's now in 510 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: her thirties. Yeah, her daughter's thirteen. So she fell pregnant. 511 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: Remember she was on that Disney TV show and it 512 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: was such big news. I remember Entertainment Tonight was going 513 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: on about it. Well, particularly because there was so much 514 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: media attention around the fact that Britney Spears wanted to 515 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: remain a virgin. Yeah, but I think it was also 516 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: because during this time, this is when Britney was having 517 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: a few mental health issues as well. And there was 518 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: a big spotlight on the family. But Jamie Lynn revealed 519 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: how she basically had no say in where she wanted 520 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: to live in anything to do with her baby. She 521 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: said her team were pushing her to have an abortion 522 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: and she was basically forced to live in this small 523 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: country town with her mother with no internet for a 524 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: few months before this all blew over. And so I 525 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: don't know if you remember this, but there was also 526 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: a lot of media attention around the fact that Jamie 527 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: Lynn basically divorced her parents, so she became emancipated from 528 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: her parents. Wow. Now, probably one of the most sensational 529 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: claims made by Jamie Lynn was that Brittany once pulled 530 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: out a knife when Jamie Lynn was younger and locked 531 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: the two in a room together. Now, this is something 532 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: which Brittany has flat out denied. So Brittany took to 533 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: social media to slam Jamie Lynn, writing, Jamie Lynn, congrats, babe, 534 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: You've stooped to a whole new level of low. I've 535 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: never been around you ever with a knife or what 536 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: I ever even think to do such, So please please 537 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: stop with these crazy lies for the Hollywood books. Now 538 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: and only now, I do know only a scum person 539 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: would make up such things about someone. I'm actually very 540 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: confused about you making that up, because it's honestly not 541 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: like you at all around the kids, Jamie Lynn. Seriously, 542 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: come on, congrats on introducing to your older sister the 543 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: concept of getting low lower lowest because you in on 544 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: that one, babe. God, That's that's pretty telling, it is. 545 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: And what's really interesting is that I feel like normally 546 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: people might have slammed Brittany forgetting off on social media 547 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: and airing dirty laundry and having a go at Jamie Lynn. 548 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: But the thing is, social media has been the only 549 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: way Brittany has really been able to speak out to 550 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: her fans. 551 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 2: And everyone is. 552 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: So used to Brittany being so honest and open on 553 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: social media that everyone's gone good on it, good on 554 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: it for calling out Jamie Lynn. And you know these 555 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: claims that Jamie Lynn has made on Call her Daddy? 556 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: Is it wrong that I do feel a bit of 557 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: sympathy for Jamie Lynn though it sounds like she has 558 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: lived an absolutely abhorrent life and hasn't had much support 559 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: from her family either. Well, this is the thing Jamie 560 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: Lynn used this call her Daddy interview kind of to 561 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: defend herself because there has been so many accusations about 562 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: Jamie Lynn which have been made during this Conservativeship court case, 563 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 1: so surely she should have a right of reply. So 564 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: just like her parents have treated her awfully as well. 565 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: Exactly so, Jamie Lynn has claimed that she did try 566 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: and help get her sister out of this Conservativeship by 567 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: offering her. 568 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: Some legal advice. 569 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: But to be honest, this was all very vague and 570 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: quite hard to follow. 571 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 2: In podcast Now. 572 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: The planned two part Podcasts episode, it didn't really run 573 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: as smoothly as Alex Cooper would have liked. No, it didn't, 574 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: So the first episode dropped on January eighteenth. Then hours 575 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: later there were reports that Britney's legal team had sent 576 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: Jamie Lynn a cease and desist letter that ordered her 577 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: not to mention Britney. So in the letter, Britney's lawyers wrote, 578 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: although Brittany has not read and does not intend to 579 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: read your book, she and millions of her fans were 580 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: shocked to see. 581 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 2: How you have exploited her for monetary gain. 582 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: Now, the second installment of Jamie Lynn's interview on Caller 583 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: Daddy was supposed to drop the next day on January nineteenth. However, 584 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: due to the legal letter, it was uploaded the next 585 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: day on January twentieth, and of course this helped call 586 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: her daddy out so much because it built even more 587 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: hype around this very much anticipated episode. Now, there has 588 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: also been a lot of talk about Alex Cooper's interview style, 589 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: and many critics have said that as an interviewer, Alex 590 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: tends to favor her guests and you can tell that 591 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: she tries to make her interview talent feel as comfortable 592 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: as possible so that they keep speaking and opening up 593 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: to her. How did you find her as an interviewer 594 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: in this conversation, Well, I actually thought Alex did a 595 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: good job of putting Jamie Lynn at ease. And obviously 596 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: there would have been a lot of background work that 597 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: went into getting this interview, as you'd know, Sophy. What 598 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: they teach you in journalism is that you have to 599 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: make your interview you feel comfortable enough to open up 600 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: in the first place, and you're supposed to get all 601 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: the easy questions out there to begin with and then 602 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: hit them with the harder questions. And it's basically if 603 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: they walk out of the interview You've still got some 604 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: content there. But that's what Alex did. She did ask 605 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: the tough questions later on in the interview. I mean, 606 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: and I feel like at the end of the day, 607 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: people can critique Alex's interview skills all they like, but 608 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: the success of call Their Daddy and Alex Cooper is 609 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: the fact that they were even able to book Jamie 610 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: Lynn's interview and they were able to get access to her. 611 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: Because this is arguably one of the biggest pop culture 612 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: stories of the last five years, and it shows just 613 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: how powerful Call Her Daddy is As a journalist. I 614 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: really feel like you need to allow your talent, as 615 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: you say, Amy, to feel comfortable and safe to open up. 616 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 1: And I feel like Alex in the moments where Alex 617 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,479 Speaker 1: needed to, she did press certain topics and you know, 618 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: ask for more information. I mean, legally, they wouldn't have 619 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: been able to put that interview out there if they 620 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: didn't have the details that they needed from Jamie exactly. 621 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really interesting as well when you do 622 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: look at the evolution of Caller Daddy, because I feel like, 623 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: since the highly publicized departure of Sophia Franklin, who was 624 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: the co host of Call It Daddy. There has been 625 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: a conscious effort made by Alex to take the podcast 626 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: into a new era, and she's openly dubbed this the 627 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: single father era. So when the podcast was still with Barstool, 628 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: which is a network that really only ran male dominated podcasts, 629 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,479 Speaker 1: there were a lot of sports podcasts, you could clearly 630 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: see a shift in the type of content Alex discussed, 631 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: and there was more of an effort to talk to 632 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: big name guests like Miley Cyrus and well known influencers 633 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: once Sophia had left the show, and even now since 634 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: the sixty million dollar deal with Spotify, we are seeing 635 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: a change in how Alex and the show is marketed. 636 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: So we can see that Alex is tackling bigger issues 637 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: and she has moved away from just talking to influencers 638 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: and reality stars about their sex lives. And in the 639 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: last couple of months, we've seen high profile interviews with 640 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: Emily Radikowski, who spoke out about her sexual assault, and 641 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: she also did a high profile interview with Amanda Knox, 642 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: who was wrongly accused of murder. That's the thing, like, 643 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: I don't think Alex Cooper is claiming to be a 644 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: journalist it is different when journalists interview big names and 645 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: are too scared to ask the tough questions. She's a 646 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: personality in herself. Yes, she's a podcaster, she's not a journalist. Yeah, 647 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: I mean I agree with that, But I'm more talking 648 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: about the evolution of caller Daddy because even our mom 649 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: has been listening to call her Daddy, and you think 650 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: back to even last year, you'd never be like, oh, mum, 651 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: go listen to call her daddy, Like listen to the 652 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: gluck gluck nine thousand. The fact is Alex has taken 653 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: this podcast from being predominantly a sort of shock factor 654 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: sex podc into a real pop culture podcast that people 655 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: are talking about, and people are taking it more seriously. Well, 656 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: I feel like people have taken and call her daddy 657 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: seriously though to begin with, because it was so sex positive. 658 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: I think she has really built herself up to be 659 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: a huge feminist, is someone that a lot of women 660 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: can look up to because she is sex positive and 661 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: she's also speaking to an incredible array of talented women 662 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: men on important topic. 663 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. 664 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: That's why her fans, who she's dubbed as a daddy gang, 665 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: that's why they love her for all of those reasons 666 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: that you've mentioned. However, it's really interesting because the Daddy 667 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: gang is. 668 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 2: Almost turning on Alex now. 669 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: And there has been a lot of criticism on the 670 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: podcast official subreddit page about this interview. So a lot 671 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: of people said that Alex didn't go hard enough on 672 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: Jamie Lynn. And this follows criticisms of Alex's interview with 673 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: former US Bachelor Coulton Underwood, who came out as gay. 674 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: So many fans were angry that call her Daddy would 675 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: give Coulton a platform after he was accused of stalking 676 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: and harassing his Egges girlfriend Cassie Randolph. And there is 677 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: this view that since Alex signed on with Spotify for 678 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: the sixty million dollar deal, that she's willing to make 679 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: trade offs which she previously wouldn't have done in order 680 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: to grow the empire that is called it Daddy. So 681 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: people feel like normally she wouldn't have spoken to Coulton Underwood, 682 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: but maybe she had to try and get a big 683 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: name on to live up to this Spotify deal. See 684 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: I disagree with the criticism over the Coulton Underwood interview. 685 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: I think that it was fantastic that she spoke to 686 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: him and gave a perspective of a gay man having 687 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: to live a secret life and the fact that he 688 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: had so much pressure on him growing up as a 689 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: Christian not to come out. I think there were so 690 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: many important conversations to be had there there was. 691 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 2: And she did slam him for his treatment of Cassie. 692 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 2: That was evident. 693 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: She did actually go hard on him about it. But 694 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: I feel like people just want to go, well, why 695 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: should we let him have a voice. 696 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 2: You shouldn't let him say what he wants to say 697 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 2: to be canceled, to be fair as you're saying. 698 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: I think when podcasts get larger and you open yourself 699 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: up to new audiences, that's when the criticism does come in. 700 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: And obviously people must be sitting at home thinking, Wow, 701 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: this girl has sixty million dollars in her bank account 702 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: for doing this, So I'm going to be as highly 703 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: critical of her as I can be her. Well, the 704 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: backlash did prompt Alex to put out a mini episode 705 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: called Cancel Call Her Daddy, and this is where she 706 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: addressed all of the drama involving the Jamie Lynn interview. 707 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: And I really loved this episode because Alex was so 708 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: open and honest, and it was quite funny because this 709 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: interview with Jamie Lynn it was the first time that 710 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: they included video as well as audio of the interview, 711 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: and she basically said it was just such a headfuck 712 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: to get this video to work because Alex edits all 713 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: of her podcasts herself, so she had to edit the video. 714 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: She basically said, the video kept lagging and when she 715 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: was speaking, the audio wouldn't match ups. 716 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 2: It was a complete nightmare. 717 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: She also revealed that this was the most downloaded episode 718 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: ever of Call Her Daddy, and she said that she 719 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: finds it really funny because so many people slammed her 720 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: for her choice to interview Jamie Lynd Spears. But everybody 721 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: clearly listened. 722 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 2: But that's when the criticism comes. 723 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: It's people who have never listened to the podcast before 724 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: are only listening because they've heard about it in the 725 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 1: media and they just think, Oh, I'm going to pile 726 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: on and say something negative. 727 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 2: Well let's go to alexiscrab. 728 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 4: Thought it was funny when people like cancel Call Her Daddy, 729 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 4: and I'm like, yes, Caller Daddy is canceled. Boop okay 730 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 4: uploading Part two See Fuckers next Wednesday. You know, media 731 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 4: these days, it's always like, don't give people a platforms, 732 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 4: Silence them, silence them. No, if I think someone has 733 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 4: a story that can be interesting and entertaining to be told, 734 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 4: even if it's controversial, even if you if it makes 735 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 4: you feel uneasy, that is the beauty of media. We 736 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 4: can give people the opportunity to speak and you don't 737 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 4: have to agree. 738 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: Now, this interview has spark debate about whether Caller Daddy 739 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: is in fact a feminist podcast, because when Caller Daddy 740 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: first came out, many detractors said the podcast prioritize male 741 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: pleasure and promoted patriarchal beauty standards and also objectified women. However, 742 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: fans argued that the show has empowered. 743 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 2: So many women in the bedroom. 744 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: Well, it's pretty obvious when you do look at the 745 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: new era of Caller Daddy on Spotify that it has 746 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: been marketed as a podcast for women to be able 747 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: to explore their sexuality relationships as well as their mental 748 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: health and following the move, many critics have said that 749 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: Alex has utilized the press coverage of the sixty million 750 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: dollar Spotify deal to appear as a feminist. So she 751 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: spoke a lot about her triumphed over a male dominated 752 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: industry to be able to get to the point of 753 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: having a sixty million dollar podcast. I think it's a 754 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: really interesting concept that as a feminist you can only 755 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: interview other feminists or other people who share your exact 756 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: point of view, because isn't the point of interviewing people 757 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: to explore other people's opinions. And yes, I understand the 758 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: argument about platforming someone and giving some I'm on a 759 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 1: huge platform to speak on. However, I think that Alex 760 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 1: questioned Jamie Lynn in parts she needed to be questioning, 761 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: and it's not all black and white. It kind of 762 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: annoys me that people are saying, oh, well, Alex can't 763 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: interview Jamie Lynn because she's a feminist. It's kind of 764 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: like weaponizing her being a feminist. It's sort of saying like, oh, well, 765 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: if you stand for this, you can't stand for that. 766 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 2: But as a. 767 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: Journalist, I've interviewed countless people for stories that I dislike 768 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: and I don't agree with what they're saying. It doesn't 769 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 1: mean that I then agree with their point of view. 770 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I read this really interesting article and it 771 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: said that perhaps a better term for Alex Cooper is 772 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: actually girl boss, which I know you don't like this term, Sophie. 773 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: I don't really like it either, but they're saying that 774 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: the idea of a girl boss is a woman who, 775 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: rather than liberating herself from the capitalist patriarchy, decides to 776 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: sit a top of it, and I feel like that 777 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: is kind of a good definition of Alex Cooper. Well, 778 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for. 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