1 00:00:04,111 --> 00:00:09,591 Speaker 1: Black Cast Unite our voices. Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges 2 00:00:09,751 --> 00:00:12,751 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of the land we have recorded this 3 00:00:12,831 --> 00:00:15,951 Speaker 1: episode on. We also acknowledge traditional owners of the land 4 00:00:15,991 --> 00:00:19,391 Speaker 1: where you, the listener of youer are tuning in from. 5 00:00:19,711 --> 00:00:21,831 Speaker 1: We would like to pay our respects to our elders 6 00:00:21,871 --> 00:00:25,471 Speaker 1: past and present and acknowledged that this always was Aboriginal 7 00:00:25,511 --> 00:00:28,191 Speaker 1: land and always will be Aboriginal land. 8 00:00:29,671 --> 00:00:32,791 Speaker 2: And then up Rocks is troopy and it's ticky well 9 00:00:32,791 --> 00:00:34,591 Speaker 2: of the tea. We've producers at the time of teacher 10 00:00:34,591 --> 00:00:35,751 Speaker 2: at Tewe College and. 11 00:00:35,671 --> 00:00:37,471 Speaker 3: She's like, oh, you know, guys, good to jump in 12 00:00:37,511 --> 00:00:39,231 Speaker 3: the carp you here to film the girls. And I 13 00:00:39,311 --> 00:00:41,031 Speaker 3: was like, well, yeah, thinking about it. 14 00:00:41,031 --> 00:00:42,711 Speaker 2: She was like, yeah, they're ready for you. I'm like, 15 00:00:42,871 --> 00:00:47,351 Speaker 2: I haven't even spoken to anyone. Yeah, no, they're good. 16 00:00:47,111 --> 00:00:47,311 Speaker 4: Good. 17 00:00:49,231 --> 00:00:53,791 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandanara Bail. 18 00:00:58,351 --> 00:01:01,671 Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Black Magic a Podcast. 19 00:01:01,791 --> 00:01:04,751 Speaker 1: I'm here on the beautiful lands of the Cooler Nations 20 00:01:05,111 --> 00:01:08,311 Speaker 1: and you can guess that I am in Melbourne, also 21 00:01:08,471 --> 00:01:12,711 Speaker 1: referred to in the traditional language as nam. I'm on 22 00:01:12,791 --> 00:01:15,751 Speaker 1: the couch and I'm joined by two lovely ladies that 23 00:01:15,831 --> 00:01:19,951 Speaker 1: are here also in beautiful name and I can't wait 24 00:01:19,991 --> 00:01:22,711 Speaker 1: for my guests. And also we've got viewers on YouTube 25 00:01:23,151 --> 00:01:26,631 Speaker 1: to hear about the one who you are, where you 26 00:01:26,711 --> 00:01:29,871 Speaker 1: come from, but also what brought you here to this 27 00:01:29,911 --> 00:01:33,351 Speaker 1: beautiful city. So I might start with you, if you 28 00:01:33,391 --> 00:01:37,271 Speaker 1: don't mind, can you introduce yourself to our guests and 29 00:01:37,351 --> 00:01:40,391 Speaker 1: then we'll go over to sal yep. 30 00:01:40,511 --> 00:01:42,071 Speaker 5: So I'm Danny L. McLean. 31 00:01:42,551 --> 00:01:46,231 Speaker 4: I'm a war among the Lurch women from Central Australia. 32 00:01:46,711 --> 00:01:49,471 Speaker 4: But I live in Larochee Country in darwhen I was 33 00:01:49,511 --> 00:01:52,151 Speaker 4: born there, but I spent my whole life traveling up 34 00:01:52,151 --> 00:01:54,551 Speaker 4: and down the Stuart Highway to go home to family 35 00:01:55,031 --> 00:01:57,791 Speaker 4: come back again. But yeah, that's my life's been Northern 36 00:01:57,871 --> 00:01:59,871 Speaker 4: Territory and I love it. 37 00:02:00,551 --> 00:02:03,591 Speaker 1: So you've got a big family, yeah, your siblings. 38 00:02:03,831 --> 00:02:04,391 Speaker 5: Huge family. 39 00:02:04,431 --> 00:02:07,871 Speaker 4: I have my children, yes I do. I've got only 40 00:02:07,951 --> 00:02:08,551 Speaker 4: one child. 41 00:02:08,551 --> 00:02:10,551 Speaker 5: I had a quite late life. I love your daily. 42 00:02:10,911 --> 00:02:13,551 Speaker 4: My mom's one of fifteen my family, the Cole family 43 00:02:13,591 --> 00:02:16,951 Speaker 4: from Central Australia. So I've got huge marble guy, forty 44 00:02:16,951 --> 00:02:18,951 Speaker 4: five first cousins. And you know we came on our 45 00:02:18,991 --> 00:02:22,111 Speaker 4: seconds and our thirds uncles aunties. So me and David 46 00:02:22,191 --> 00:02:27,631 Speaker 4: Cole yes, my cousin, David's my cousin married into being because. 47 00:02:27,471 --> 00:02:30,351 Speaker 1: David and men are very close to my sister Yarick 48 00:02:30,431 --> 00:02:34,911 Speaker 1: okay great and little quaidon bos Yes, fantastic, So always 49 00:02:35,071 --> 00:02:37,431 Speaker 1: connection straight away, always. 50 00:02:37,231 --> 00:02:40,871 Speaker 2: To thank you and to you, thank you. I'm sel 51 00:02:40,911 --> 00:02:46,311 Speaker 2: Bel Harry. I am an Australian woman. I live in Num. 52 00:02:46,551 --> 00:02:50,191 Speaker 2: I am proud to work and create on the lands 53 00:02:50,231 --> 00:02:53,151 Speaker 2: of the War on Jury people, and I am a 54 00:02:53,231 --> 00:02:58,471 Speaker 2: storyteller filmmaker and I love to think about the fact 55 00:02:58,511 --> 00:03:01,351 Speaker 2: that I am privileged to create and write on land 56 00:03:01,391 --> 00:03:05,031 Speaker 2: where storytellers have lived for sixty five thousand years before me. 57 00:03:05,431 --> 00:03:08,551 Speaker 3: And I'm so curious about that. And you know, hence 58 00:03:08,591 --> 00:03:09,311 Speaker 3: why I'm here. 59 00:03:09,431 --> 00:03:11,911 Speaker 1: Lovely and you have a husband, because you're telling me 60 00:03:11,991 --> 00:03:14,031 Speaker 1: that your hobby. 61 00:03:13,751 --> 00:03:15,111 Speaker 3: Yeah, is sailing. 62 00:03:15,871 --> 00:03:18,831 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a mad It's It's interesting because Dan, you 63 00:03:18,911 --> 00:03:24,831 Speaker 2: talk about desert people, and I'm an ocean person. I see, 64 00:03:25,231 --> 00:03:28,391 Speaker 2: I see desert country and I'm like, you know, how 65 00:03:28,431 --> 00:03:31,191 Speaker 2: do I get my head around it? Whereas I see 66 00:03:31,231 --> 00:03:34,311 Speaker 2: ocean and I just see this incredible expanse and the 67 00:03:34,351 --> 00:03:37,271 Speaker 2: fact that you can head out on water and sail 68 00:03:37,391 --> 00:03:40,871 Speaker 2: for free is and being able to use the pressure 69 00:03:40,871 --> 00:03:43,871 Speaker 2: of anyway, I could get onto sail whole thing. But 70 00:03:44,271 --> 00:03:46,231 Speaker 2: sailing is my passion. 71 00:03:46,471 --> 00:03:49,671 Speaker 1: Just in terms of like what what connects us as people, 72 00:03:50,271 --> 00:03:53,351 Speaker 1: and it usually is sometimes our hobbies. Yeah, right, So 73 00:03:54,151 --> 00:03:59,231 Speaker 1: the ocean, my mum was covered with freckles, hardly ever 74 00:03:59,271 --> 00:04:01,031 Speaker 1: wanted to go out to the beach and be out 75 00:04:01,071 --> 00:04:03,831 Speaker 1: on the sand and be out in the sun. And 76 00:04:03,871 --> 00:04:07,511 Speaker 1: I didn't realize why because otherwise should be codifakers. But 77 00:04:07,551 --> 00:04:11,671 Speaker 1: also she grew up in Redfern, like you know, Sydney, 78 00:04:12,751 --> 00:04:16,231 Speaker 1: like the block. It's like literally as Anita Heis talks 79 00:04:16,271 --> 00:04:20,951 Speaker 1: about being a concrete jungle. So I kind of went 80 00:04:20,991 --> 00:04:23,071 Speaker 1: to the beach as a kid and it was lovely. 81 00:04:23,631 --> 00:04:27,071 Speaker 1: Now I live near a beach near Malulaba. I've swam 82 00:04:27,071 --> 00:04:29,431 Speaker 1: in it five times in five years, maybe rap. 83 00:04:30,311 --> 00:04:31,031 Speaker 3: And then I go. 84 00:04:30,991 --> 00:04:33,551 Speaker 1: Out to desert country. My dad's from the Dawston River 85 00:04:33,631 --> 00:04:37,671 Speaker 1: and it's just red, red dust and I can't even 86 00:04:37,951 --> 00:04:44,511 Speaker 1: I can't even adjust to doing nothing, hearing nothing, seeing nothing, 87 00:04:45,271 --> 00:04:48,751 Speaker 1: and this stillness. So for my mum not really liking 88 00:04:48,791 --> 00:04:53,511 Speaker 1: the ocean, and my dad loving the country and the quietness, 89 00:04:54,431 --> 00:04:57,431 Speaker 1: I kind of I don't know if I like either all. 90 00:04:58,071 --> 00:04:59,711 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. 91 00:04:59,791 --> 00:05:02,751 Speaker 2: I think what both of those areas are connected by 92 00:05:02,871 --> 00:05:05,951 Speaker 2: is the sky. Yeah, And so you know when we 93 00:05:06,311 --> 00:05:08,711 Speaker 2: when you spend time in the desert or on the 94 00:05:08,751 --> 00:05:11,511 Speaker 2: Teewi and or you know anywhere in the world and 95 00:05:11,631 --> 00:05:13,671 Speaker 2: you look up and you see the Southern Cross that 96 00:05:13,711 --> 00:05:14,991 Speaker 2: you don't see the Southern Cross. 97 00:05:16,391 --> 00:05:18,471 Speaker 3: What I've found. 98 00:05:18,551 --> 00:05:21,791 Speaker 2: I sail with my partner and we love Tasmania and 99 00:05:21,791 --> 00:05:24,391 Speaker 2: that just the coast of Tazzy and crossing Bas Strait, 100 00:05:24,431 --> 00:05:25,551 Speaker 2: the islands in the Bas Strait. 101 00:05:26,351 --> 00:05:27,871 Speaker 3: And it was an old guy. 102 00:05:27,911 --> 00:05:29,991 Speaker 2: There's this guy called John, and I've sailed with John, 103 00:05:30,191 --> 00:05:33,431 Speaker 2: you know, for all my life, and he like, one 104 00:05:33,471 --> 00:05:35,231 Speaker 2: day I was sailing along and it's night and you're 105 00:05:35,271 --> 00:05:37,511 Speaker 2: looking at the compass and you know, kind of freaking out, 106 00:05:37,791 --> 00:05:40,471 Speaker 2: and he's like, just just pick a star, and just 107 00:05:40,551 --> 00:05:43,111 Speaker 2: pick a star and just you know, think about the 108 00:05:43,151 --> 00:05:45,231 Speaker 2: world as a clock and just see that star at 109 00:05:45,311 --> 00:05:47,711 Speaker 2: like one o'clock, and so you're not just just be 110 00:05:47,791 --> 00:05:49,631 Speaker 2: comfortable that that star is at one o'clock. 111 00:05:50,071 --> 00:05:50,991 Speaker 3: And that was just. 112 00:05:50,871 --> 00:05:53,391 Speaker 2: Such a beautiful sense of connection with the world. You 113 00:05:53,431 --> 00:05:54,831 Speaker 2: feel that in the desert as well. 114 00:05:55,231 --> 00:05:59,551 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think going to places like right, I was 115 00:05:59,551 --> 00:06:03,311 Speaker 1: at Olaru and looking at the sky, so different to 116 00:06:03,431 --> 00:06:06,271 Speaker 1: being on the sunny coast on kaby Kobbe Country and 117 00:06:06,311 --> 00:06:10,071 Speaker 1: looking at the sky. So you've obviously been to a 118 00:06:10,111 --> 00:06:13,511 Speaker 1: few places, traveled maybe the most of the country. 119 00:06:13,591 --> 00:06:13,831 Speaker 3: Yeah. 120 00:06:14,151 --> 00:06:18,351 Speaker 1: Yeah, And in terms of Danny, tell me about you know, 121 00:06:18,711 --> 00:06:21,191 Speaker 1: I don't know war among you people, war among your country. 122 00:06:22,231 --> 00:06:25,031 Speaker 1: When you said the Stuart Highway straight away, I knew. 123 00:06:25,271 --> 00:06:29,231 Speaker 1: But for listeners and also viewers, Larachie Country is obviously Darwin. 124 00:06:29,431 --> 00:06:32,711 Speaker 1: For those that don't know, war among you people are 125 00:06:32,791 --> 00:06:34,551 Speaker 1: obviously not from Darwin. 126 00:06:34,871 --> 00:06:37,711 Speaker 4: No, So war among the people are from around Tenant Creek. 127 00:06:38,271 --> 00:06:42,351 Speaker 4: My grandmother's from a place called Bankerbaga Station and our 128 00:06:42,391 --> 00:06:45,471 Speaker 4: family's got native title, our extended family's got native title there. 129 00:06:45,511 --> 00:06:48,311 Speaker 4: So it's some interesting going back and stuff too. My 130 00:06:48,391 --> 00:06:50,391 Speaker 4: nana passed away a long time, but as I suit, 131 00:06:50,431 --> 00:06:52,911 Speaker 4: she had fifteen kids, so we all feel so connected 132 00:06:52,911 --> 00:06:55,391 Speaker 4: to mob and family and just getting to connect with 133 00:06:55,391 --> 00:06:58,991 Speaker 4: that country again. But yeah, my family, my grandmother and 134 00:06:59,031 --> 00:07:01,151 Speaker 4: grandfather actually lived in Alla Springs, which is are in 135 00:07:01,191 --> 00:07:03,871 Speaker 4: the country, but we spent a lot of time in Alice, know, 136 00:07:04,071 --> 00:07:07,111 Speaker 4: and just that's I love the desert like I love. 137 00:07:07,391 --> 00:07:09,551 Speaker 4: I don't see it as lifeless as it at all. 138 00:07:09,591 --> 00:07:14,271 Speaker 4: It's actually quite amazing. And yeah, it's like the ocean 139 00:07:14,311 --> 00:07:16,391 Speaker 4: in some ways. You know you're going out, you sit 140 00:07:16,791 --> 00:07:17,911 Speaker 4: under the stars and stuff. 141 00:07:17,911 --> 00:07:18,671 Speaker 5: It's so powerful. 142 00:07:18,791 --> 00:07:21,271 Speaker 2: But it is the shape of the ocean, the shape 143 00:07:21,311 --> 00:07:24,431 Speaker 2: of desert, the shape of sand. I'm always intrigued by 144 00:07:24,471 --> 00:07:27,071 Speaker 2: how you know, even when you swim over like seaweed, 145 00:07:27,111 --> 00:07:29,551 Speaker 2: it looks like trees. I'm always I mean, why should 146 00:07:29,551 --> 00:07:31,471 Speaker 2: it suppose me? I don't know why, but the fact 147 00:07:31,511 --> 00:07:34,511 Speaker 2: that like that desert can replicate ocean. 148 00:07:34,591 --> 00:07:36,631 Speaker 4: But it is like the inland sea, right, you know 149 00:07:36,711 --> 00:07:40,191 Speaker 4: there was sea, so the remnants of that. And you 150 00:07:40,191 --> 00:07:43,711 Speaker 4: know when you talk about mob like country is like 151 00:07:43,991 --> 00:07:45,911 Speaker 4: you know all that stuffs still there. You know, the 152 00:07:45,951 --> 00:07:47,751 Speaker 4: power of all that stuff still there. And I just 153 00:07:47,791 --> 00:07:48,751 Speaker 4: think it is a love. 154 00:07:48,791 --> 00:07:49,511 Speaker 5: It is beautiful. 155 00:07:49,591 --> 00:07:51,391 Speaker 4: I mean, I love the red and the blue of 156 00:07:51,431 --> 00:07:53,631 Speaker 4: the sky, the night sky. 157 00:07:53,991 --> 00:07:55,231 Speaker 5: Really special place. 158 00:07:55,031 --> 00:07:58,311 Speaker 1: And I think that's what our city folk are missing. 159 00:07:59,111 --> 00:08:01,031 Speaker 1: When you've grown up in the city and you spend 160 00:08:01,071 --> 00:08:03,871 Speaker 1: your whole life in the city and you haven't had 161 00:08:03,871 --> 00:08:08,071 Speaker 1: that time to just be still to go out on country. 162 00:08:08,151 --> 00:08:09,551 Speaker 3: It's a really interesting thing. 163 00:08:09,671 --> 00:08:12,911 Speaker 2: I'm actually quite Yeah, it's something I've spoken about with 164 00:08:12,991 --> 00:08:16,231 Speaker 2: Tammy and Tiki because in making the film and we'll 165 00:08:16,231 --> 00:08:16,991 Speaker 2: get to talk to that. 166 00:08:17,111 --> 00:08:19,111 Speaker 3: But just that concept of being on country. 167 00:08:19,471 --> 00:08:21,591 Speaker 2: You forget when you're in the city, you are on country, 168 00:08:21,791 --> 00:08:24,351 Speaker 2: of course, It's just that there's ash felt underneath you. 169 00:08:24,351 --> 00:08:24,551 Speaker 3: You know. 170 00:08:25,031 --> 00:08:27,071 Speaker 1: People say that all the time, like I need to 171 00:08:27,071 --> 00:08:29,031 Speaker 1: go back to country, even though I live on cob 172 00:08:29,111 --> 00:08:32,711 Speaker 1: Comby Country. It ain't my traditional country, but just going 173 00:08:32,751 --> 00:08:35,431 Speaker 1: out to my backyard is actually being on country. 174 00:08:35,551 --> 00:08:36,231 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. 175 00:08:36,711 --> 00:08:38,471 Speaker 1: I just remember that for people that are listening to 176 00:08:38,471 --> 00:08:41,151 Speaker 1: this podcast, and I think you don't need to be 177 00:08:41,311 --> 00:08:45,431 Speaker 1: an Aboriginal personal first nations to connect to country. I 178 00:08:45,471 --> 00:08:47,071 Speaker 1: feel this sense of belonging. 179 00:08:47,711 --> 00:08:50,551 Speaker 2: I think also, like you know, like we've just been 180 00:08:50,751 --> 00:08:54,151 Speaker 2: attending the Melbourne International Film Festival and you know, we've 181 00:08:54,191 --> 00:08:56,871 Speaker 2: been We've got a film in competition, so we've been 182 00:08:56,911 --> 00:09:00,791 Speaker 2: there a lot and I've just really noticed maybe a 183 00:09:00,831 --> 00:09:03,311 Speaker 2: big change over the last five years. And welcome to country, 184 00:09:03,391 --> 00:09:06,311 Speaker 2: you know, used to feel very token and it was 185 00:09:06,351 --> 00:09:08,391 Speaker 2: something we just had to tick off the last few 186 00:09:08,391 --> 00:09:10,951 Speaker 2: welcomes to country and I would like, you know, we 187 00:09:11,031 --> 00:09:14,911 Speaker 2: had a young fellow Dan Daniel I can't remember his 188 00:09:14,991 --> 00:09:15,831 Speaker 2: surname the other day. 189 00:09:15,711 --> 00:09:16,311 Speaker 3: Which is a show. 190 00:09:16,791 --> 00:09:22,591 Speaker 2: But they've just been so illuminating, so beautiful, and really 191 00:09:22,871 --> 00:09:26,191 Speaker 2: what was really fabulous actually was myth getting in touch 192 00:09:26,231 --> 00:09:29,351 Speaker 2: with us, particularly because we've got tea we people talking 193 00:09:29,351 --> 00:09:33,111 Speaker 2: about you know, how did they want to be incorporated 194 00:09:33,151 --> 00:09:36,871 Speaker 2: into or in some way you know that there should welcome? 195 00:09:38,631 --> 00:09:42,751 Speaker 2: How should that acknowledgment change to talk about tea Wee. 196 00:09:42,791 --> 00:09:45,831 Speaker 1: Well, but this is this is the diplomatic relationship. 197 00:09:46,351 --> 00:09:49,191 Speaker 4: Exactly what happened Traditionally people were welcome, you came on to. 198 00:09:49,311 --> 00:09:50,671 Speaker 1: Do we exchange gifts? 199 00:09:50,791 --> 00:09:51,111 Speaker 4: Yeah? 200 00:09:51,671 --> 00:09:53,351 Speaker 1: What do we meet before or after? 201 00:09:53,671 --> 00:09:54,111 Speaker 3: Totally? 202 00:09:54,231 --> 00:09:55,711 Speaker 1: Do I bring my elders along? 203 00:09:56,591 --> 00:09:56,831 Speaker 3: I know. 204 00:09:56,871 --> 00:10:02,231 Speaker 1: I love that we're still navigating like cultural protocols or 205 00:10:02,271 --> 00:10:04,831 Speaker 1: diplomatic traditions Western society. 206 00:10:04,791 --> 00:10:05,351 Speaker 3: Yeah totally. 207 00:10:05,631 --> 00:10:08,071 Speaker 2: And you was watching this, Yeah, so what's been really 208 00:10:08,151 --> 00:10:10,951 Speaker 2: crowd of us In TIV language, a one of mamantha 209 00:10:11,111 --> 00:10:15,151 Speaker 2: means welcome friends, and that is something that we've you know, 210 00:10:15,191 --> 00:10:17,591 Speaker 2: we all we all say we all use it. But 211 00:10:18,231 --> 00:10:21,791 Speaker 2: it's been wonderful that the Melbourne guys have been taking 212 00:10:21,831 --> 00:10:24,671 Speaker 2: that on board as well. And we talk about a 213 00:10:24,711 --> 00:10:26,191 Speaker 2: one in a month and not being you know, it's 214 00:10:26,231 --> 00:10:27,391 Speaker 2: nothing about a welcome to country. 215 00:10:27,391 --> 00:10:30,111 Speaker 3: It's a welcome to story. And that's been something that's. 216 00:10:30,031 --> 00:10:32,071 Speaker 2: Really sort of grown over the you know, it's it's 217 00:10:32,111 --> 00:10:36,871 Speaker 2: actually become quite a transactional gift more as sort of 218 00:10:37,271 --> 00:10:39,791 Speaker 2: an opening up of conversation. That's what I've sort of 219 00:10:39,791 --> 00:10:40,951 Speaker 2: found exciting about that. 220 00:10:41,311 --> 00:10:43,391 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's great having the teaing mob with us. 221 00:10:43,431 --> 00:10:45,191 Speaker 4: You know, they're coming with the film and stuff too, 222 00:10:45,231 --> 00:10:46,391 Speaker 4: and they can talk to the film in the. 223 00:10:46,431 --> 00:10:48,031 Speaker 5: Cultural way as well. 224 00:10:48,031 --> 00:10:50,871 Speaker 4: But just feel like, you know, they are they're being 225 00:10:50,911 --> 00:10:53,951 Speaker 4: really realful of being on country, other people's country as well, 226 00:10:53,951 --> 00:10:55,871 Speaker 4: but saying we've got this story to share with you. 227 00:10:56,071 --> 00:11:00,271 Speaker 1: Yeah, that be just mindful, being respectful. Yeah, So tell 228 00:11:00,311 --> 00:11:02,271 Speaker 1: us about the te Wee people, the ti We women. 229 00:11:02,671 --> 00:11:03,591 Speaker 1: Is that how many here? 230 00:11:04,151 --> 00:11:06,591 Speaker 5: So actually there's two left at the moment that. 231 00:11:06,791 --> 00:11:09,391 Speaker 4: We went hard, we had three here. One went home 232 00:11:09,391 --> 00:11:13,191 Speaker 4: for the Grand Final football Grand Final. Yeah, did opening 233 00:11:13,311 --> 00:11:15,871 Speaker 4: night with us, got on a red eye flight back 234 00:11:15,951 --> 00:11:19,271 Speaker 4: to Darwin, overnight in Darwin and then went to Tiwe. 235 00:11:19,311 --> 00:11:21,311 Speaker 5: Unfortunately they didn't win the Grand Finals, so. 236 00:11:21,271 --> 00:11:21,591 Speaker 4: They got that. 237 00:11:21,711 --> 00:11:25,031 Speaker 3: She got there for the last quarter. Ye a baby 238 00:11:25,231 --> 00:11:27,711 Speaker 3: oh stop. So she was pretty much twenty four hour 239 00:11:27,791 --> 00:11:28,471 Speaker 3: turnaround to me. 240 00:11:28,591 --> 00:11:31,631 Speaker 5: Yeah the baby, yeah no, but she had to be there. 241 00:11:31,671 --> 00:11:34,271 Speaker 4: The other two girlsment, well, the three of them were 242 00:11:34,351 --> 00:11:36,271 Speaker 4: in the same team, right, so that's a big loss. 243 00:11:36,351 --> 00:11:39,511 Speaker 5: Captain, co captain and vice captain. I think. 244 00:11:39,591 --> 00:11:41,591 Speaker 4: So one went back, we had the other two. They 245 00:11:41,631 --> 00:11:43,671 Speaker 4: really want to all be here for the film. But 246 00:11:43,751 --> 00:11:45,591 Speaker 4: you know, the film is about football and the. 247 00:11:45,551 --> 00:11:50,431 Speaker 5: Importance of football and football being religion. And then it's like, well, 248 00:11:50,431 --> 00:11:52,311 Speaker 5: we can't ask them not to go back because that's 249 00:11:52,551 --> 00:11:53,871 Speaker 5: we know, that's their passion. 250 00:11:53,991 --> 00:11:56,871 Speaker 1: They lived for it. Yeah, and when you think about 251 00:11:56,911 --> 00:12:01,231 Speaker 1: some of these not even just remote places, some regional places, 252 00:12:01,751 --> 00:12:06,871 Speaker 1: even like regional kids live for their sports. They live 253 00:12:07,031 --> 00:12:11,151 Speaker 1: for their saturdays, their football, basketball, I'll take they live 254 00:12:11,191 --> 00:12:14,231 Speaker 1: for it. So I could just imagine it's community and 255 00:12:14,271 --> 00:12:16,591 Speaker 1: they feel like they're going to let their coach down 256 00:12:16,591 --> 00:12:19,311 Speaker 1: if they're not there, or let their team down if 257 00:12:19,391 --> 00:12:22,471 Speaker 1: they're not there. Mum, I play this position. I'm like, 258 00:12:22,551 --> 00:12:25,591 Speaker 1: I know you do. Someone else would be there. You've 259 00:12:25,631 --> 00:12:27,711 Speaker 1: got an injury. We need to tender the injury. Mum 260 00:12:27,791 --> 00:12:31,311 Speaker 1: will do the X ray next week. I've got this game, 261 00:12:31,351 --> 00:12:34,711 Speaker 1: and what happened the injury, then is now going to 262 00:12:34,711 --> 00:12:36,671 Speaker 1: put my little fellow off I reckon for an extra 263 00:12:36,711 --> 00:12:39,391 Speaker 1: week or two because he doesn't want to let his 264 00:12:39,511 --> 00:12:42,471 Speaker 1: team down. So I could just imagine there's three women, 265 00:12:42,511 --> 00:12:45,831 Speaker 1: they're here, they've got a Grand Final on, and there's 266 00:12:45,871 --> 00:12:48,711 Speaker 1: this film that's being premiered to the world. 267 00:12:48,871 --> 00:12:51,311 Speaker 2: Is just I mean, how when we found out about 268 00:12:51,351 --> 00:12:53,871 Speaker 2: the date the clash it was so funny actually, because 269 00:12:53,911 --> 00:12:55,311 Speaker 2: you know, we all knew the world premiere It was 270 00:12:55,311 --> 00:12:58,551 Speaker 2: the tenth of August at the time in Melbourne, and 271 00:12:59,791 --> 00:13:01,751 Speaker 2: you know, I got the So we have three TV 272 00:13:01,871 --> 00:13:04,311 Speaker 2: co producers who are on the film as well, Tammy 273 00:13:04,351 --> 00:13:08,231 Speaker 2: and Shane and Tiki, and they've been involved since twenty eighteen, 274 00:13:08,311 --> 00:13:12,551 Speaker 2: so it's pretty amazing. But they were I got the 275 00:13:12,551 --> 00:13:15,871 Speaker 2: phone call from Tammy sal there's a problem. What's the problem. 276 00:13:16,231 --> 00:13:18,231 Speaker 2: Don't think any of the girls can come to the premiere? 277 00:13:18,271 --> 00:13:21,831 Speaker 2: Oh no, oh okay, football ground for what's going on? 278 00:13:21,911 --> 00:13:25,871 Speaker 2: Football Grand Final? There's a clash priorities, Yeah, priorities. And 279 00:13:26,271 --> 00:13:27,991 Speaker 2: then we were both like, this is what. 280 00:13:27,911 --> 00:13:28,911 Speaker 3: The film's about. 281 00:13:29,551 --> 00:13:32,631 Speaker 1: So this was just a weird coincidence. Oh my god, 282 00:13:32,871 --> 00:13:42,871 Speaker 1: this was raveling. So tell me you twenty eighteen. 283 00:13:43,471 --> 00:13:48,191 Speaker 2: Third of February twenty seventeen, I went to I. 284 00:13:48,071 --> 00:13:48,591 Speaker 3: Was at home. 285 00:13:48,951 --> 00:13:51,551 Speaker 2: My son came home and he said, hey, mum, you 286 00:13:51,551 --> 00:13:52,431 Speaker 2: know it's stinking hot. 287 00:13:52,591 --> 00:13:55,711 Speaker 3: Will you drive me across town to go to the footy? 288 00:13:55,791 --> 00:13:58,591 Speaker 3: And I'm like, mate's February. What do you mean? Who's 289 00:13:58,591 --> 00:13:59,551 Speaker 3: playing footy in the February? 290 00:13:59,591 --> 00:14:04,631 Speaker 2: Goes oh, it's the first AFLW women's game and I oh, oh, chie, 291 00:14:04,711 --> 00:14:07,111 Speaker 2: come on mate, I've had a huge week. And he said, 292 00:14:07,111 --> 00:14:09,711 Speaker 2: oh my god, that is so disappointing. I was like, 293 00:14:09,791 --> 00:14:12,311 Speaker 2: what do you mean it's so disappointing. He said, because 294 00:14:12,311 --> 00:14:13,631 Speaker 2: you raised me to be a feminist. 295 00:14:13,871 --> 00:14:15,351 Speaker 3: And I was like, right, get in the car. 296 00:14:15,471 --> 00:14:19,591 Speaker 2: We were going to support women. He so he wanted 297 00:14:19,671 --> 00:14:20,751 Speaker 2: to go and support women. 298 00:14:20,791 --> 00:14:22,751 Speaker 3: I don't even know it was this kid. Oh he 299 00:14:22,791 --> 00:14:23,631 Speaker 3: would have been eighteen. 300 00:14:23,711 --> 00:14:25,831 Speaker 1: Yeah, an eighteen year old yep. 301 00:14:25,831 --> 00:14:26,551 Speaker 3: With his mates. 302 00:14:26,591 --> 00:14:28,591 Speaker 2: And his mates are all like, yes, we're feminists, and 303 00:14:28,591 --> 00:14:30,231 Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, you cheek it all the shits, 304 00:14:30,271 --> 00:14:30,791 Speaker 2: get in the car. 305 00:14:30,991 --> 00:14:31,751 Speaker 3: That's what you want. 306 00:14:31,871 --> 00:14:35,511 Speaker 1: We want to do these stadiums and these women deserve those. 307 00:14:35,391 --> 00:14:38,471 Speaker 2: Stadiums to be full totally. And so he was twenty seventeen, 308 00:14:38,591 --> 00:14:39,351 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. 309 00:14:39,431 --> 00:14:43,351 Speaker 3: So we went and it was amazing. 310 00:14:43,591 --> 00:14:45,991 Speaker 2: It was fresh, it was new, it was brilliant, it 311 00:14:46,031 --> 00:14:48,511 Speaker 2: was exciting, and I love I love sport. 312 00:14:48,591 --> 00:14:50,031 Speaker 3: And so I'm sitting there going. 313 00:14:49,911 --> 00:14:53,431 Speaker 2: Wow, this is incredible. Why does this Why hasn't this 314 00:14:53,471 --> 00:14:56,551 Speaker 2: happened fifty years ago? This is incredible that I was. 315 00:14:56,671 --> 00:15:00,471 Speaker 2: You know, I grew up in a footy household mad, 316 00:15:00,671 --> 00:15:01,471 Speaker 2: dad is mad? 317 00:15:01,591 --> 00:15:01,951 Speaker 3: Is'ton? 318 00:15:02,191 --> 00:15:06,951 Speaker 2: Playersolutely love Michael Long. Michael Long made my dad's life, 319 00:15:07,071 --> 00:15:09,071 Speaker 2: you know, live for Michael Long. 320 00:15:09,071 --> 00:15:10,751 Speaker 3: Lived for Michael Long. Yeah. 321 00:15:10,951 --> 00:15:13,071 Speaker 2: And so my dad had told me about the tea Wei. 322 00:15:13,271 --> 00:15:16,031 Speaker 2: My dad had told me about tee wee magic and 323 00:15:16,351 --> 00:15:18,271 Speaker 2: te wee footy and why it was different. So I 324 00:15:18,271 --> 00:15:21,631 Speaker 2: had this sort of understand and I'm looking at this game, going, mabe, 325 00:15:21,671 --> 00:15:25,071 Speaker 2: you know, this is so exciting, but it's so white. 326 00:15:25,511 --> 00:15:29,071 Speaker 2: You know, where's the Michael Long and all the and 327 00:15:29,111 --> 00:15:31,711 Speaker 2: she is Miquelin along? You know, where is she? How 328 00:15:32,031 --> 00:15:34,271 Speaker 2: is she going to get here? How is that going 329 00:15:34,271 --> 00:15:34,991 Speaker 2: to happen? Like? 330 00:15:35,191 --> 00:15:36,431 Speaker 3: Are there any pathways? 331 00:15:36,511 --> 00:15:39,071 Speaker 1: So like in that moment, at that time, there was 332 00:15:39,151 --> 00:15:42,231 Speaker 1: no First Nations women on the field, no visibly, no 333 00:15:42,351 --> 00:15:43,631 Speaker 1: there could have been first nations. 334 00:15:43,791 --> 00:15:45,791 Speaker 2: I don't think they were. You don't think they don't 335 00:15:45,791 --> 00:15:48,311 Speaker 2: think they were. I don't think they were. I'd love 336 00:15:48,351 --> 00:15:48,991 Speaker 2: to stand correct. 337 00:15:49,071 --> 00:15:52,671 Speaker 1: You've got fair skin, ye, proud black fathers like Courtney 338 00:15:52,711 --> 00:15:53,591 Speaker 1: Google these days. 339 00:15:55,711 --> 00:15:57,831 Speaker 3: Yeah, Courtney is brilliant. 340 00:15:58,031 --> 00:15:59,911 Speaker 1: Courtney is meant to be sitting on this couch. 341 00:16:00,431 --> 00:16:04,231 Speaker 3: Courtney Google, I'll speak to her. Courtney. Courtney has been 342 00:16:04,231 --> 00:16:05,271 Speaker 3: a part of the film since. 343 00:16:06,791 --> 00:16:10,911 Speaker 1: Yeah. So you're watching this game, you realize it's was 344 00:16:10,991 --> 00:16:16,071 Speaker 1: just curious and I just thought, not okay, And so 345 00:16:16,631 --> 00:16:21,031 Speaker 1: I called the AFL as you do, yeah, ring the 346 00:16:21,071 --> 00:16:22,071 Speaker 1: peak body the CEO. 347 00:16:22,351 --> 00:16:24,351 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I didn't actually I sort of got there 348 00:16:24,391 --> 00:16:27,511 Speaker 2: and I was like, so, you know, who's the head 349 00:16:27,511 --> 00:16:30,391 Speaker 2: of diversity inclusion? I don't even know what the phrase was. 350 00:16:31,191 --> 00:16:33,831 Speaker 2: Who looks after your indigenous players? Pretty much met this 351 00:16:33,871 --> 00:16:36,391 Speaker 2: guy called Matthew Stokes. Matthew was amazing. How to chat 352 00:16:36,431 --> 00:16:39,631 Speaker 2: with Matthew? And I thought, you know what, I think 353 00:16:39,631 --> 00:16:40,631 Speaker 2: I'm onto something here. 354 00:16:40,671 --> 00:16:43,991 Speaker 5: One of the Stokes is from Dahl. I don't know, I. 355 00:16:43,911 --> 00:16:46,151 Speaker 3: Think he is. Yes, he played for Geelong. 356 00:16:47,751 --> 00:16:50,911 Speaker 2: It was a great footballer with Gelong and and then 357 00:16:50,911 --> 00:16:55,391 Speaker 2: he worked with Tanya. Yeah, so and Tanya Hodge and 358 00:16:55,431 --> 00:16:59,111 Speaker 2: then so I'm married to this beautiful man who said 359 00:16:59,311 --> 00:17:00,311 Speaker 2: I went home and went, I. 360 00:17:00,231 --> 00:17:02,511 Speaker 3: Think there's a story here. I think there's something. I 361 00:17:02,551 --> 00:17:03,591 Speaker 3: don't even know what it is. 362 00:17:04,391 --> 00:17:06,431 Speaker 2: And he said, well, I said, I think I'm going 363 00:17:06,511 --> 00:17:08,111 Speaker 2: to go to the TI and find out if they're 364 00:17:08,111 --> 00:17:11,511 Speaker 2: only girls so wanting to play footy truly this is 365 00:17:11,551 --> 00:17:13,631 Speaker 2: it's on blow and he said, well you better go. 366 00:17:13,831 --> 00:17:14,871 Speaker 3: I went, okay, I'm going to go. 367 00:17:15,471 --> 00:17:19,071 Speaker 2: And so I went, and I had a cameraman, and 368 00:17:19,111 --> 00:17:21,031 Speaker 2: I put some money into the film, and I had 369 00:17:21,031 --> 00:17:23,271 Speaker 2: a production company who said we'll match what you put in. 370 00:17:23,831 --> 00:17:26,151 Speaker 3: And it was very early days and. 371 00:17:26,591 --> 00:17:27,991 Speaker 1: Pieces were coming together. 372 00:17:27,751 --> 00:17:34,471 Speaker 2: Things bit by bit, and flew in a tiny little plane, 373 00:17:34,551 --> 00:17:39,991 Speaker 2: those little charters. 374 00:17:37,871 --> 00:17:38,071 Speaker 3: You know. 375 00:17:38,111 --> 00:17:41,831 Speaker 2: We flew around and then so landon and my beautiful 376 00:17:42,031 --> 00:17:43,471 Speaker 2: cameraman said. 377 00:17:43,431 --> 00:17:47,991 Speaker 3: Andy Hud said, Darling boy, Darwin guy, Yeah, do you 378 00:17:47,751 --> 00:17:49,071 Speaker 3: do you? Does anyone know you're here? 379 00:17:49,111 --> 00:17:51,351 Speaker 2: And I went, well, yeah, I think they do, and 380 00:17:51,431 --> 00:17:53,111 Speaker 2: he went, yeah, they'll know because they will have seen 381 00:17:53,151 --> 00:17:55,551 Speaker 2: the flight. And I'm thinking, oh cool, good because nothing's 382 00:17:55,551 --> 00:17:58,871 Speaker 2: working on the phone. And then up Rocks is Troopy 383 00:17:58,911 --> 00:18:00,831 Speaker 2: and it's Ticky who's with us? 384 00:18:00,831 --> 00:18:03,111 Speaker 3: This week. You know, he's one of the two we 385 00:18:03,191 --> 00:18:04,391 Speaker 3: want to do one. 386 00:18:04,231 --> 00:18:06,031 Speaker 2: Of the tea we producers at the time of teacher 387 00:18:06,031 --> 00:18:09,111 Speaker 2: at Tew College. And she's like, oh, you know, guys 388 00:18:09,111 --> 00:18:11,271 Speaker 2: going to jump in the cup. You he'd have filmed 389 00:18:11,311 --> 00:18:13,311 Speaker 2: the girls. And I was like, well, yeah, I'm thinking 390 00:18:13,351 --> 00:18:15,111 Speaker 2: about it. She was like, yeah, they're ready for you. 391 00:18:15,191 --> 00:18:17,551 Speaker 2: I'm like, I haven't even spoken to anyone. She was, yeah, no, 392 00:18:17,631 --> 00:18:22,431 Speaker 2: they're good. Just how things work and community fifteen. 393 00:18:22,951 --> 00:18:24,511 Speaker 4: Just so you know, the reason I'm not telling this 394 00:18:24,591 --> 00:18:26,671 Speaker 4: story is because I wasn't involved at this stage. 395 00:18:26,751 --> 00:18:30,031 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know this story, but you know I was 396 00:18:30,031 --> 00:18:30,551 Speaker 5: a part of it. 397 00:18:30,671 --> 00:18:31,071 Speaker 3: Yeah. 398 00:18:31,111 --> 00:18:34,791 Speaker 2: So the story started and those three girls were on board, 399 00:18:35,031 --> 00:18:38,431 Speaker 2: and Ticky was on board, and I just kept showing 400 00:18:38,511 --> 00:18:40,191 Speaker 2: up because the story was unfolding. 401 00:18:40,671 --> 00:18:43,911 Speaker 3: That was the you know, the easy, the easy partner, 402 00:18:43,911 --> 00:18:44,391 Speaker 3: the heart's part. 403 00:18:44,471 --> 00:18:46,791 Speaker 2: But it was easy to kind of I was putting 404 00:18:46,791 --> 00:18:47,951 Speaker 2: the building blocks together. 405 00:18:48,991 --> 00:18:51,871 Speaker 3: But I'm a white storyteller, you know. 406 00:18:52,031 --> 00:18:56,111 Speaker 2: So and whilst everyone was incredibly inviting, as soon as 407 00:18:56,111 --> 00:19:00,111 Speaker 2: I realized and I knew Dan then and then we 408 00:19:00,351 --> 00:19:02,591 Speaker 2: saw you. We were in Los Angeles and I saw 409 00:19:02,671 --> 00:19:04,551 Speaker 2: Dan and I was like, damn, I've got this idea. 410 00:19:04,631 --> 00:19:06,271 Speaker 5: I have to tell you she did gay crash a 411 00:19:06,351 --> 00:19:07,071 Speaker 5: party I did. 412 00:19:08,671 --> 00:19:11,351 Speaker 3: It was like the Australian Indigenous Filmmaker's party. And I'm like, 413 00:19:11,351 --> 00:19:15,831 Speaker 3: I'm Australian. I'm with the mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yah, 414 00:19:15,831 --> 00:19:19,991 Speaker 3: hey sis coming in? I did it looks fun? Yeah, 415 00:19:20,151 --> 00:19:23,671 Speaker 3: it was funny. Funny story about. 416 00:19:23,391 --> 00:19:25,271 Speaker 2: That is that my son wants to be a film 417 00:19:25,311 --> 00:19:27,431 Speaker 2: He's a director who lives in London. Now he actually 418 00:19:27,551 --> 00:19:31,791 Speaker 2: edited the film with us, but about. 419 00:19:31,471 --> 00:19:33,551 Speaker 3: His time, yeah yeah, but about this time. 420 00:19:33,671 --> 00:19:35,191 Speaker 2: Actually, I was like, Arch, what do you want to 421 00:19:35,231 --> 00:19:36,551 Speaker 2: be when you go out? And he's like, oh, Mom, 422 00:19:36,591 --> 00:19:38,271 Speaker 2: I'm still I'm going to be a film director. I 423 00:19:38,311 --> 00:19:39,391 Speaker 2: was like, well, who do you want to be? Like, 424 00:19:39,471 --> 00:19:40,471 Speaker 2: you've got to have a role model? 425 00:19:40,511 --> 00:19:40,951 Speaker 1: Who's your more? 426 00:19:41,271 --> 00:19:45,031 Speaker 2: He goes, I want to be t t and I went, okay, 427 00:19:45,151 --> 00:19:45,911 Speaker 2: we'll get in line. 428 00:19:45,951 --> 00:19:47,391 Speaker 3: But that's great. Who am I to you know? 429 00:19:47,671 --> 00:19:50,431 Speaker 2: So go to this party see Danielle and like this 430 00:19:50,511 --> 00:19:52,431 Speaker 2: is two days later after my son said I want 431 00:19:52,431 --> 00:19:53,631 Speaker 2: to be tied and then I look across the. 432 00:19:56,431 --> 00:19:59,151 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Tiger. Can I please? Can I? Can I 433 00:19:59,151 --> 00:20:03,391 Speaker 3: do a selfie? Because I've got to shave myself. Shelf 434 00:20:03,471 --> 00:20:07,391 Speaker 3: with Tiger's like the Big Books. Sent it to Archie. 435 00:20:07,431 --> 00:20:10,151 Speaker 3: I was like, where are you anyway? Dan? That was 436 00:20:10,191 --> 00:20:12,591 Speaker 3: how I tried to get you. You were resistant? 437 00:20:13,031 --> 00:20:15,711 Speaker 1: So did you know at all? Sou did you know? 438 00:20:15,831 --> 00:20:16,111 Speaker 3: So? 439 00:20:16,631 --> 00:20:18,191 Speaker 5: Cell? I actually had forgotten. 440 00:20:18,191 --> 00:20:21,111 Speaker 4: But Cell had actually had a project that I'd been 441 00:20:21,151 --> 00:20:24,431 Speaker 4: approached to write on that was out of Perth, and 442 00:20:24,471 --> 00:20:25,871 Speaker 4: so I did a little bit of writing. It was 443 00:20:25,911 --> 00:20:28,271 Speaker 4: development and Cell had given me some notes. But she 444 00:20:28,311 --> 00:20:30,871 Speaker 4: only reminded me of this later on. I actually she 445 00:20:30,911 --> 00:20:32,391 Speaker 4: actually reminded me again last night. 446 00:20:32,391 --> 00:20:33,351 Speaker 5: I was like, oh, that's right. 447 00:20:34,471 --> 00:20:37,071 Speaker 4: But so we chatted that night, but I was on 448 00:20:37,991 --> 00:20:39,831 Speaker 4: I made Barumbi Kids. I'm one of the producers of 449 00:20:39,871 --> 00:20:42,151 Speaker 4: Barumba Kids, and so I kind of we were caught 450 00:20:42,231 --> 00:20:44,591 Speaker 4: up in that making that, developing that. 451 00:20:44,671 --> 00:20:45,831 Speaker 3: And anthology series. 452 00:20:45,991 --> 00:20:48,631 Speaker 4: Yeah, so there was a lot happening, and so what 453 00:20:48,751 --> 00:20:53,111 Speaker 4: it was early days and you know money, you know, 454 00:20:53,111 --> 00:20:54,191 Speaker 4: we're doing story. 455 00:20:54,391 --> 00:20:57,191 Speaker 1: This is a typical story, right. A lot of people 456 00:20:57,231 --> 00:21:00,751 Speaker 1: don't realize it, and a lot of artists, musicians, all 457 00:21:00,791 --> 00:21:03,511 Speaker 1: the people in the arts where there's just no ma 458 00:21:03,951 --> 00:21:08,911 Speaker 1: But we've got these incredible stories and talented people and 459 00:21:08,951 --> 00:21:12,031 Speaker 1: we just can't seem to pull it all together. So 460 00:21:12,071 --> 00:21:14,031 Speaker 1: there's a million stories in this country that need to 461 00:21:14,031 --> 00:21:17,151 Speaker 1: be told, and how many of them get backed? I 462 00:21:17,191 --> 00:21:20,911 Speaker 1: talked to Annelia Pressel about this, how many actually get 463 00:21:20,951 --> 00:21:22,191 Speaker 1: the funding get the back. 464 00:21:22,351 --> 00:21:24,671 Speaker 4: But you need people like Leah and like Sell who 465 00:21:24,711 --> 00:21:28,151 Speaker 4: believe in stories and going to keep pushing, pushing and pushing. 466 00:21:28,271 --> 00:21:28,831 Speaker 5: And she did. 467 00:21:29,311 --> 00:21:32,351 Speaker 4: And so we connected in La and then we sort 468 00:21:32,351 --> 00:21:34,631 Speaker 4: of you reached out a few times on emails and 469 00:21:34,671 --> 00:21:38,351 Speaker 4: then after Barambi Kids was finished, just timing yeah, and 470 00:21:38,391 --> 00:21:40,431 Speaker 4: then it was like, you know what, I live in Darwin. 471 00:21:40,791 --> 00:21:42,791 Speaker 4: I'm so close to these girls, and you know what 472 00:21:42,831 --> 00:21:45,951 Speaker 4: had happened then Sel had employed the girls came on 473 00:21:46,031 --> 00:21:50,071 Speaker 4: officially and Shane, Tipper, Munt and Mary came on board 474 00:21:50,231 --> 00:21:54,431 Speaker 4: as co producers. Here we co producers, and I felt 475 00:21:54,631 --> 00:21:56,671 Speaker 4: safe that the community was you know, the story from 476 00:21:56,711 --> 00:21:59,431 Speaker 4: the community was going to be looked after they wanted it, 477 00:21:59,551 --> 00:22:01,911 Speaker 4: and so I thought. 478 00:22:00,951 --> 00:22:04,031 Speaker 2: This story it was then as well we knew we 479 00:22:04,231 --> 00:22:11,751 Speaker 2: had the right elders Perueni, Marius, Mary, Maureen. So it's 480 00:22:11,791 --> 00:22:15,031 Speaker 2: really interesting because whilst the co producers are on board, 481 00:22:17,031 --> 00:22:19,071 Speaker 2: you know, the TV is a relatively small community two 482 00:22:19,111 --> 00:22:22,391 Speaker 2: and a half thousand people. I'm asking a lot of 483 00:22:22,431 --> 00:22:25,871 Speaker 2: these people and of the co producers, I'm asking them 484 00:22:25,951 --> 00:22:28,351 Speaker 2: to tell a story on behalf of their community. 485 00:22:29,111 --> 00:22:32,391 Speaker 3: And that's a big weight to carry and. 486 00:22:32,991 --> 00:22:33,711 Speaker 1: A lot of pressure. 487 00:22:34,471 --> 00:22:36,631 Speaker 4: Really seriously though, and you know that's what we want 488 00:22:36,671 --> 00:22:38,471 Speaker 4: to do and do the right thing by mob and 489 00:22:38,471 --> 00:22:41,831 Speaker 4: stuff too. So I think we felt safe in that too. 490 00:22:42,111 --> 00:22:44,271 Speaker 4: And they call it out like if you wanted to 491 00:22:44,311 --> 00:22:46,031 Speaker 4: do something, They're like, no, we've got to talk to 492 00:22:46,071 --> 00:22:47,151 Speaker 4: this person and that person. 493 00:22:47,231 --> 00:22:48,351 Speaker 5: But you knew you were insane, And. 494 00:22:48,271 --> 00:22:50,231 Speaker 2: I think I should have backtracked a little bit because 495 00:22:50,271 --> 00:22:53,471 Speaker 2: there's a really, really, really important step. You don't just 496 00:22:53,551 --> 00:22:55,791 Speaker 2: jump on a plane and rave in the TV. That's 497 00:22:56,351 --> 00:22:59,511 Speaker 2: kind of bullshit. I'm going to call myself out there because. 498 00:22:59,191 --> 00:23:00,071 Speaker 3: That's sounded good. 499 00:23:01,471 --> 00:23:04,311 Speaker 2: Well it was that the theory, but you know, you 500 00:23:04,351 --> 00:23:06,151 Speaker 2: have to approach the land council of course. 501 00:23:06,231 --> 00:23:06,591 Speaker 3: Yeah. 502 00:23:06,631 --> 00:23:10,911 Speaker 1: So and when that trooper just turned up in my head, 503 00:23:10,951 --> 00:23:13,111 Speaker 1: I was gone, have that trip, and now these fellows 504 00:23:13,111 --> 00:23:13,471 Speaker 1: were coming. 505 00:23:13,671 --> 00:23:15,471 Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, you did the right thing. 506 00:23:15,711 --> 00:23:16,871 Speaker 1: So you reached out to. 507 00:23:17,071 --> 00:23:20,191 Speaker 2: Well you have to, you have to have media permits. 508 00:23:20,231 --> 00:23:22,351 Speaker 2: But I didn't even know what I was making. So 509 00:23:22,471 --> 00:23:26,151 Speaker 2: I'm I'm asking a community to let me. Hi, I'm here, 510 00:23:26,191 --> 00:23:29,471 Speaker 2: I'm really I think there's a story here. Would you 511 00:23:29,591 --> 00:23:30,431 Speaker 2: like to make it with me? 512 00:23:31,871 --> 00:23:34,351 Speaker 3: Network, So we had a woman, Yeah. 513 00:23:34,111 --> 00:23:37,591 Speaker 5: Crazy, make it with me is the actual key to that. 514 00:23:38,031 --> 00:23:40,751 Speaker 4: I'm going to make a film about. 515 00:23:39,791 --> 00:23:43,191 Speaker 1: Story and I need these average women and out. 516 00:23:43,351 --> 00:23:46,591 Speaker 3: Yeah. No, no, I hadn't. I had a rough idea. 517 00:23:47,151 --> 00:23:49,871 Speaker 2: But what was fantastic was I had to submit that 518 00:23:49,951 --> 00:23:52,351 Speaker 2: idea to the two Land Council and I had to 519 00:23:52,391 --> 00:23:54,071 Speaker 2: wait for their meeting, to the around. 520 00:23:53,871 --> 00:23:57,071 Speaker 1: Rival process and let the community everything you had to take. 521 00:23:57,071 --> 00:24:00,951 Speaker 2: It gets put into an agenda, It gets printed out, 522 00:24:01,431 --> 00:24:05,391 Speaker 2: literally got I got photographs of it from Millicarpity basketball court. 523 00:24:06,391 --> 00:24:08,391 Speaker 2: It got printed out and laid out on the ground, 524 00:24:08,951 --> 00:24:12,591 Speaker 2: and it got discussed by the elders and the toos. 525 00:24:12,271 --> 00:24:14,471 Speaker 1: The authority, the cultural authority totally. 526 00:24:14,591 --> 00:24:19,231 Speaker 2: And so I got so happy that last privilege. I've 527 00:24:19,231 --> 00:24:23,431 Speaker 2: got a letter of unanimous support and from the community 528 00:24:23,511 --> 00:24:25,471 Speaker 2: saying yep, you have unanimous support. 529 00:24:25,551 --> 00:24:28,551 Speaker 3: Still have it now? It still stands because if one. 530 00:24:28,151 --> 00:24:31,671 Speaker 1: Of the elders weren't happy, you know what would have happened. 531 00:24:31,711 --> 00:24:34,831 Speaker 3: It just wouldn't have happened. It wouldn't have happened and this. 532 00:24:34,791 --> 00:24:37,631 Speaker 1: Conversation, and I love where we're going with it because 533 00:24:37,671 --> 00:24:40,711 Speaker 1: people are listening to this, whether they're in corporate Australia, 534 00:24:40,791 --> 00:24:43,471 Speaker 1: work in the government, or just MOB in community or 535 00:24:43,511 --> 00:24:47,671 Speaker 1: people that are engaging with MOB. Some of these lessons 536 00:24:47,951 --> 00:24:51,751 Speaker 1: right or really important steps to make sure that you 537 00:24:51,831 --> 00:24:55,671 Speaker 1: get the right people involved. I always say this that 538 00:24:55,751 --> 00:24:59,071 Speaker 1: if it's the right process, and we always talk about 539 00:24:59,071 --> 00:25:02,471 Speaker 1: the Aboriginal kind of way in governance and stuff, if 540 00:25:02,511 --> 00:25:04,511 Speaker 1: it's the right process, you'll always end up with the 541 00:25:04,511 --> 00:25:05,111 Speaker 1: best outcome. 542 00:25:05,351 --> 00:25:07,111 Speaker 5: Yeah. I think that's true, and. 543 00:25:07,511 --> 00:25:11,871 Speaker 1: That kind of can census decision making and everybody being 544 00:25:11,911 --> 00:25:16,511 Speaker 1: an agreement is a very important feature of Aboriginal governance 545 00:25:16,511 --> 00:25:17,391 Speaker 1: and decision making. 546 00:25:17,951 --> 00:25:20,311 Speaker 4: Yeah, and they're also like they're making decisions about what 547 00:25:20,351 --> 00:25:21,951 Speaker 4: they think their communities need. 548 00:25:22,111 --> 00:25:24,631 Speaker 1: Not feel like about me to vote who wants it 549 00:25:24,711 --> 00:25:27,671 Speaker 1: because you have said no? And then you've got community 550 00:25:27,711 --> 00:25:31,391 Speaker 1: divided because of this project from some white woman who's 551 00:25:31,391 --> 00:25:33,391 Speaker 1: flown in from Melbourne, you know what I mean. So 552 00:25:33,431 --> 00:25:38,471 Speaker 1: there's conflict sometimes that non Aboriginal people don't fully understand 553 00:25:39,071 --> 00:25:43,791 Speaker 1: because they're imposing their way on us, and that then 554 00:25:44,151 --> 00:25:47,991 Speaker 1: you know it imposed you know they can divide people. 555 00:25:48,071 --> 00:25:50,191 Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know that thing about consensus, whether you 556 00:25:50,191 --> 00:25:51,871 Speaker 4: do get consensus or not, but people it. 557 00:25:51,911 --> 00:25:53,071 Speaker 1: Doesn't always happen enough. 558 00:25:53,471 --> 00:25:55,311 Speaker 5: But you know that they're taking it back to mob too. 559 00:25:55,351 --> 00:25:57,191 Speaker 4: They're going, this is what we're you know, it's not 560 00:25:57,271 --> 00:25:59,391 Speaker 4: just these people making the decision. They're taking it back 561 00:25:59,391 --> 00:26:01,911 Speaker 4: to their family to discuss it, or they're telling people 562 00:26:01,911 --> 00:26:04,071 Speaker 4: that it's happening. So when that plane comes in, they 563 00:26:04,111 --> 00:26:04,751 Speaker 4: know exactly what. 564 00:26:04,951 --> 00:26:06,231 Speaker 3: Everyone knew what it was. 565 00:26:06,511 --> 00:26:11,191 Speaker 1: It was the proper consultation with community. So whether it's 566 00:26:11,231 --> 00:26:15,031 Speaker 1: a film or whether it's a project happening at Telstra 567 00:26:15,711 --> 00:26:21,071 Speaker 1: or Combank. Right, there's Aboriginal principles and Aboriginal approaches and 568 00:26:21,071 --> 00:26:24,231 Speaker 1: an Aboriginal way of doing things when you're engaging with 569 00:26:24,311 --> 00:26:27,311 Speaker 1: us as first people's first nation to people, and a 570 00:26:27,311 --> 00:26:30,671 Speaker 1: lot of people can learn if you look at the 571 00:26:30,711 --> 00:26:34,431 Speaker 1: Aboriginal ways of doing things and how we reach consensus. 572 00:26:34,711 --> 00:26:37,911 Speaker 1: It's all based on relationships. 573 00:26:37,671 --> 00:26:39,751 Speaker 2: And I think you have to stoop. There's a couple 574 00:26:39,831 --> 00:26:42,391 Speaker 2: of things there. First of all, you can only build 575 00:26:42,431 --> 00:26:45,191 Speaker 2: at the speed of trust. Yeah, that's that's the thing 576 00:26:45,231 --> 00:26:48,751 Speaker 2: that I think corporate Australia doesn't get and can't afford 577 00:26:48,791 --> 00:26:49,311 Speaker 2: to get well. 578 00:26:49,351 --> 00:26:53,111 Speaker 1: They've also got time that limits them, Yes, because they 579 00:26:53,191 --> 00:26:56,031 Speaker 1: need to do things by this time. There's a deadline 580 00:26:56,351 --> 00:26:59,031 Speaker 1: and in community. Sorry your time. 581 00:26:59,711 --> 00:27:01,591 Speaker 5: It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter. 582 00:27:02,311 --> 00:27:03,551 Speaker 1: This will happen when it happens. 583 00:27:04,911 --> 00:27:07,631 Speaker 3: Join us next week for part two of Mondonara's Yarn 584 00:27:07,671 --> 00:27:10,471 Speaker 3: with Dannielle and Sale. We thought that we were making 585 00:27:10,711 --> 00:27:13,511 Speaker 3: a footy film. This is not a footy film. 586 00:27:13,791 --> 00:27:16,831 Speaker 2: This is a film exactly what you're saying about what 587 00:27:16,871 --> 00:27:20,831 Speaker 2: it takes to walk proudly into worlds. 588 00:27:21,431 --> 00:27:23,831 Speaker 1: A big shout out to all you Deadly Mob and 589 00:27:23,911 --> 00:27:27,551 Speaker 1: allies who continue to listen, watch, and support our podcast. 590 00:27:27,791 --> 00:27:31,111 Speaker 1: Your feedback means the world. You can rate and review 591 00:27:31,151 --> 00:27:34,191 Speaker 1: the podcast on Apple and Spotify, or even head to 592 00:27:34,231 --> 00:27:37,111 Speaker 1: our socials and YouTube channel and drop us a line. 593 00:27:37,271 --> 00:27:40,071 Speaker 1: We'd love to hear from you. The Black Magic Woman 594 00:27:40,191 --> 00:27:48,031 Speaker 1: podcast is produced by Clint Curtis.