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Speaker 1: Today I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson, and this is the

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Speaker 1: Rise and Conquer Podcast. This is the podcast where which

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Speaker 1: of my life running two businesses and being among Think

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Speaker 1: in your journey, We're here to help you be curious,

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Speaker 1: pull yourself out, and embrace radical self awareness. If you're

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Speaker 1: in the right place. Hello and welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: Rice and Conker Podcast. Happy Friday, and I hope you

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Speaker 1: guys are having the best week. Today we have our hotline,

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Speaker 1: CEO of Klelaike Sauna's Johannes so since I bought my sauna.

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Speaker 1: But we're asking Johannas all the sauna and health questions.

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Speaker 1: And how has your week been? Aside from we're having

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Speaker 3: Yay, thanks for making time and really stoked to be here.

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Speaker 1: It's so cool that you're here in person, and we

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Speaker 3: Sure, I would love to, Hannah's. I'm usually based in Jermany,

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Speaker 3: get rid of some of the toxins. And you know,

429
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 3: there's been a study in twenty fourteen that actually showed

430
00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 3: that detoxification through the skin is more effective than the

431
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 3: internal detoxification organs for certain particles such as heavy metals.

432
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: M So is that why sometimes? So I personally always

433
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 1: have my sauna at night because it's like I then

434
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 1: go straight to bed, because sometimes after I have a sauna,

435
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 1: it can be like I don't not that I don't

436
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: feel that great, but I'm like, oh, I just want

437
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: to go straight to sleep.

438
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 3: Ye?

439
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 1: Is that kind of why because I'm like detoxing and

440
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: things are happening.

441
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 3: It could be. I mean, there are different sauna protocols

442
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 3: that you know, what if you I do the same, right,

443
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 3: So I do it at nighttime and it sort of

444
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 3: helps actually med melatonin production. So there's actually quite a

445
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 3: bit of evidence piling up slowly that it actually supports

446
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 3: a good sleep, it probably increases your remot deep sleep

447
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 3: to some extent or that that needs to be studied

448
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 3: more using the ORR ring, But generally speaking that could

449
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 3: be at you know, whether it's really the toxins that

450
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 3: kind of lead to the effect, it's another question. But

451
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,239
Speaker 3: I think the bottom line is, you know, you've had

452
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 3: a blast and the sauna, relaxing, having me time, you know,

453
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 3: destressing well exactly, so your whole nervous system sort of

454
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 3: comes down. And I think with that, you know, if

455
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 3: we're constantly in this in this you know, fight or

456
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 3: flight mode, like we tend to ignore our body signals,

457
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 3: We tend to ignore that we might actually be tired.

458
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 3: And I think the sauna is probably one of the

459
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 3: simplest thing to really calm down, to come down. So

460
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 3: I think it's more that it's more sort of it's.

461
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 1: Almost like to come back to yourself, to come back.

462
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,479
Speaker 3: To yourstructions, no problems to solve, you know, no hobby, wife,

463
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 3: kids or whatever you sort of attend for.

464
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Speaker 1: I do love that, Like I can't have my phone

465
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: on there, like I know, I can put it in

466
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: that little screen thing or otherwise it like says the

467
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 1: temperature is too hot. Yeah, So I love that because

468
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, good, I can't be on my phone. I

469
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 1: can listen to a podcast or I can just like

470
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: be of my thoughts and it is it's like I

471
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: actually get to tune into myself and have this time

472
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 1: where it's like no, I just have to completely be present,

473
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: which is huge.

474
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Great, But you know, to come back to this

475
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 3: point of like, is it really the detoxification that essentially

476
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: you know, it makes me sort of tired or whatnot.

477
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 3: It could be, but usually you know, it's not just

478
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 3: the sweating and then it's sort of stops, right, So

479
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 3: it's kind of It's a beautiful thing about SWNA. It's

480
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 3: probably one of the easiest things you can do for

481
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 3: longevity because you know, it activates heat chock proteins, which

482
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 3: remain active for up to two to six weeks. You know,

483
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 3: if you actually increase the temperature of the sauna good

484
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 3: enough and you kind of stay long enough in that

485
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 3: because heatchok proteins are a bit we can talk about that,

486
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 3: you know, a bit more in depth. But just because

487
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 3: you walk out of the sauna, the detoxification process doesn't happen,

488
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: like your body needs to continue working on that. And

489
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 3: they've done a lot of studies on hypothermia, which is

490
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 3: a cancer treatment in Germany, where they sort of heat

491
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 3: your core temperature beyond four degrees celsius, and when you

492
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: turn off the sauna, the body actually continues to deal

493
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 3: with that heat and it increases the temperature even further.

494
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 3: So I think the reason why we might also be

495
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 3: sort of tired of fatigued after that after a sauna

496
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 3: is actually that it's the workout, like it's still burn calories,

497
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 3: you know, your body continues to deal with that heat

498
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 3: and kind of just cope with some of the stress

499
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Speaker 3: that actually had gone through.

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Speaker 1: So true, never had thought about it being like a

501
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: workout because it feels so relaxing to me.

502
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 3: The plenty of studies go.

503
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: Smacking out the workouts.

504
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 3: It's actually like the different studies actually that kind of

505
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 3: try to quantify how many calories you're actually burning and

506
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: a sauna sashay and it kind of varies between two

507
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 3: to six hundred. And it used to be again another

508
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 3: myst that says, well, you're just losing water, right, but

509
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 3: it's actually now not true anymore. And you know, I

510
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 3: think of sauna's sort of clinically tested for weightless sure,

511
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 3: like your own body composition, how much you drank. Like

512
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 3: it's really hard to generalize that because we're all individual

513
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 3: human beings, but you know, there are calories being burnt,

514
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 3: and that is literally because your body has to deal

515
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 3: with it. He's your body has.

516
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: Your body's going under a stress, it's doing stuff.

517
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 3: You rea and yeah, you know, sitting there maybe reading

518
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 3: your book and you're having a time in your life.

519
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 3: Your body's actually like, okay, right, we'll get to work

520
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 3: out here.

521
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Speaker 1: What a health hack.

522
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 3: That's good?

523
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: What a health hack?

524
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: That's what I mean. It's probably the simplest thing for longevity.

525
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 3: And I mean exercise, sleep, food, you know, everything's important.

526
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 3: Like I don't want to it's not the holy Grail

527
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 3: for sure, but you know, the way I like to

528
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 3: think about a sauna is if someone is actually in pain,

529
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: If someone is actually sick, good luck trying to do

530
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 3: to get them to do a head workout. Like it's

531
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 3: so far away from you know, the capabilities of pain.

532
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: And I think that is where heat therapy and all

533
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 3: types of sona, not just infrared z onas can actually

534
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 3: provide real value, real benefit to getting those people out

535
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 3: of kind of this negative or this downward spiral to

536
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 3: actually say, look, we'll have hormone release. You actually feel

537
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: good after that, So now get another two thousand steps

538
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 3: in you know, maybe maybe skip that bier and rather

539
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 3: you know, like have a health spring or something like.

540
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 3: I think that's ultimately the power of kind of changing

541
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 3: one small step thing at a time, right, It sort

542
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 3: of compounds the more you do it.

543
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's what I love about Like my sauna

544
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: practices is like I already am a healthy person, but

545
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: I've just something and it works so well all together,

546
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 1: like an ecosystem. So yeah, what what's he like you personally?

547
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: And when you have a sauna? What is your.

548
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 3: Protocol similar to yours?

549
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: Like to me, it's how long are you going in

550
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: that for?

551
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 3: It depends? And I think that's really it's a really

552
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 3: interesting question because and I read the questions obviously before

553
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 3: and there was always a question, well how long should

554
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: I stay in there? There is no one best time

555
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 3: for everyone, Like you really have to tune to your

556
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 3: body and you really have to listen. Like some people

557
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 3: that are quite heat adaptive, they can stay longer, and

558
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: they need to stay longer because your body literally is

559
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 3: being trained to deal with its stress. So the more

560
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 3: you do it, essentially, the longer you can stay in

561
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: the sauna, and the longer you actually want to stay

562
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 3: in the suna because your body is becoming more resistant

563
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: to its stress. But generally speaking, if you look at

564
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: an infrared sauna, you want to stay in there for

565
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 3: a minimum of twenty minutes, just because you know you

566
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 3: don't have that hot air temperature and it takes a

567
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 3: little while for the body to really be activated through

568
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: that heat to get that cool cardioscular boost essentially your

569
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: heart your heart rate pumping, and then you can stay

570
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: in there for forty five minutes. That's kind of the

571
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: range that we give. We have a few health nuts

572
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: that stay for up to sixty minutes, but they've been

573
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 3: doing it for a number of years.

574
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: And what temperature.

575
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 3: Look, that's a beautiful thing. Like the temperature isn't really

576
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 3: necessarily like a really good evaluation for an infrared song

577
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 3: because it's more about the infrared heat wavelength and the

578
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 3: quality of the heat of the quality of the sauna.

579
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: But if you want to break it down to air temperatures,

580
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: you kind of want to stay within forty five to

581
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 3: sixty maybe sixty five if you really like it hot.

582
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 3: But you know, you have to remember that it's not

583
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 3: necessarily the hot air or the air temperature that drives

584
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 3: your sweat. You know, while obviously warmer temperatures will help

585
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: breaking a sweat easier and faster, it's more important to

586
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: know that it's the infrared heat that is being absorbed

587
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: by your body. And with that sort of you know,

588
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 3: our temperature goes up and we start to break a sweat,

589
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: and that can happen at fifty degrees. It doesn't need

590
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 3: to be sixty degrees. Sure, it's helpful. Can stay in there,

591
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 3: you know, forty five or fifty degrees and you can

592
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: still spit sweat profusely. Yeah.

593
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: I usually do probably around sixty yea and or maybe

594
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: fifty five to sixty, And I like a good half

595
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: an hour. I love heat I have from that person

596
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: in the shower of like for he my husband's like, ah, yeah,

597
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: he does fifteen to twenty minutes, because he's not good

598
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: at heat.

599
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 3: He might build up though, yeah he.

600
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: Is, he's building up. But he's like he gets in

601
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: and he's like full, like he can't speak to me, yeah,

602
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: because he's like wow, yeah, and he's like, I've got

603
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: to go. And then after he's got nice stay in

604
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: for another fifteen minutes.

605
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, this is nice, and that's I think

606
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: that's a really it's good that you guys do that

607
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: because there is I think the tendency to think that

608
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 3: longer is better. You know, if we think about an

609
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: ice bath, it's the same thing. I need to stay

610
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: in there for four minutes or whatnot, right, But everyone

611
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: has its own boundaries and everyone everybody is different. And

612
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: you know, we speak a lot with sauna researchers and

613
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: then you know doctor Mark Cohen, we have him on

614
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: the podcast. He's actually really well known sauna researcher. He's

615
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 3: also the medical director of the of the Heart Springs

616
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: and Peninsula Hot Springs, so he definitely know a lot

617
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: about saunas and and heat stress. And he when we

618
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: when he asked them the questions, so what's the idea

619
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 3: sauna time, he said, it literally is none. It's impossible.

620
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 3: It depends. And even on a daily basis, you would

621
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 3: probably not Like sometimes you're in there for thirty minutes,

622
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, yeah, well that was easy. You could

623
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: put stay another ten and something like thirty minutes. I

624
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: need to get out and get a cool shower, you know. Yeah,

625
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: And I think that is it's really important to not

626
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 3: overdo it and to really listen to your body, like

627
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: you want to get to the level where it makes

628
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 3: you slightly feel uncomfortable. Take three, Take three deep breath,

629
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 3: and then walk out.

630
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: That's what I kind of do, is like I always

631
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: set it to the thirty minutes, and then I just

632
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: I see where I'm at. Sometimes I've got to go

633
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,479
Speaker 1: out early. Sometimes I can do another five minutes if

634
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm like nah, I And it is. It's very much

635
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: of It's kind of like when you're doing a workout

636
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: and you're like, no, I can go harder, or I

637
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: can go you know that sort of thing. And that's

638
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: why Tim does less because he's like, nah, I'm done.

639
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: T happen out and then I kind of go to

640
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: when I can, and it is It's like for me,

641
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: it's a relaxing experience, and then the last five minutes,

642
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, it's getting uncomfortable and now I jump out.

643
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Cool.

644
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: Question from the Facebook group what should you wear in

645
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: the sauna? Swimmers? Nothing, a towel? Tell us.

646
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: Look, I'm German. I don't know what the Germans like

647
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: to be naked. I think that's even internationally, I think

648
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: that's quite well known. Like I grew up on beaches

649
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: where there was a separated wall, and you know, there

650
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: was a naked the nudist beach and the normal vision.

651
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: My dad was a newdist so kind of always grew

652
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: up that way.

653
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: So look very comfortable.

654
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, where would you want? But you need to fundamentally

655
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 3: understand that we're talking about light, right, and every piece

656
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: of towel cotton material in between the heater and your

657
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: body is blocking the light to some extent, right, So

658
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 3: if you are wearing a towel wrapped around you on

659
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: your back, for instance, that will reduce use the effectiveness

660
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: of the infrared heat being absorbed by the body. So

661
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 3: the optimal andsays, go and naked, Like sit on a towel,

662
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: enjoy that you're uncomfortable with it, maybe sort of wrap

663
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: it around yellower body to really make sure that you know,

664
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: sort of really get these infrared waves kind of absorbed

665
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: by the human body. So that's that will be the best. Like,

666
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: go and naked, but look, if it stresses you to

667
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: be naked. Then it's also not right, like you know,

668
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 3: it should be a relaxing experience, and I think that

669
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: ultimately depends on how how happy you are with being

670
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 3: naked or not.

671
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: It's funny because like there are in RNC community or

672
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: like it's better to go and naked. But I see

673
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: Georgia is I'm like, well, I'm not going to post

674
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: them photos when I'm naked, So it looks it depends

675
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: all the day. My parents live with us, and I

676
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 1: guess house like down the back, so it depends if

677
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: we're fully alone or not.

678
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: That makes sense.

679
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: Good to know. Good to know. Well, first of all,

680
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: let's go into ice baths. Yep, what's the benefits? Is

681
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: it a similar sort of vibe of it's just creating

682
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: stress in the body, and do you do them? What's

683
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: the mine?

684
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, look up all sort of in the same category

685
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: of pomatic stress. Right, So again it's uncomfortable for the body, right,

686
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 3: And what happens when you're exposed to this cold is

687
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: like all the blood is rushed to the organs to

688
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 3: protect those because you know, without our organs we can't function.

689
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 3: I'm sure we need to have. But apart from that,

690
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 3: we've got a nervous system. We got to essentially our

691
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: vital organs and functions sort of in and around the blood,

692
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: in and around the belly fat, which is why there's

693
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 3: quite a bit of fat around it, because let's protect it.

694
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: And I think that's also for those of you that

695
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: have done it. If you walk in there, what hurts

696
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: most are your feet and your hands, and that's essentially

697
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 3: because all the blood rushes away, so it is stress

698
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: for the body. It is very well studied, or you know,

699
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: it's certainly on a sort of a bit of a

700
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: trend at the moment. Everyone wants to do ice paths

701
00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: and that cold experience has similar benefit when it comes

702
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: to reducing inflammation when it comes to the activation of

703
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 3: not heat shog proteins, but could shop proteins, which also

704
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 3: help with the longevity of cells, and a very well

705
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: studied It gives you insane mental clarity, you know, it

706
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: helps it releases actually adrenaline and nor adrenaline, which kind

707
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,479
Speaker 3: of gives you that kick that you know, oh my god,

708
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 3: this is stressed, like I need to do that, you know,

709
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 3: And that's essentially what you want to go go through, right,

710
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 3: And I think there's insane mental benefits from it. Like

711
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 3: if you think about it, like whenever you've come out

712
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 3: of a culture of an ice bath, you cannot be

713
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 3: unhappy because you're so stoked you survived it. You come

714
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 3: as like, oh my god, I've done it. Stream you know,

715
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 3: youve got to sort of share with everyone. But you know,

716
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: there are the major differences too, like you don't have

717
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 3: heat chock proteins, you don't get the detoxification. You know,

718
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: you don't get that cardiovascular workout in the same extent

719
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: because you're not staying as long as an ice bath.

720
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 3: So I would probably think of them as being more complimentary.

721
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: And there was a Danish researcher, doctor zoo Berg s

722
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 3: oe b e r g very Danish name, and she

723
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: kind of tried to pinpoint the ideal time of heat

724
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 3: and cold per week in order to have evidence proof

725
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 3: of the health benefits. I think it was like fifty

726
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: seven minutes of heat per week, right, so there could

727
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: be two THNA sessions for you, for instance, and I

728
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 3: think it was ten or eleven minutes of ice bats

729
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 3: per week, so that would be either too, you know,

730
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: two times five to six minutes, or will be three

731
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 3: times three to four minutes, and that has a long

732
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: lasting effect on oxidative stress, which is caused by lifestyle,

733
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 3: you know, stress, nicotine, alcohol and whatnot. But it also

734
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: has an effect on a brown fat. And I think

735
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 3: that that was a study that I think came out

736
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 3: to or three years ago, and it's very well researched.

737
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 3: So I would probably see them more as being complimentary.

738
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: One does not replace the other.

739
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: Okay, I personally have not done the ice spas thing.

740
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you do culture?

741
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: I just love the heat I've called.

742
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, well when you can do like what because I

743
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 3: think what you can do is just finish your hot

744
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 3: shower and don't change the temperature. Enjoy your hot shower,

745
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: Finish the last ten seconds of five seconds, but not

746
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: thinking about just pulling the handle all the other way.

747
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

748
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 3: And then and then you get out, Yeah, and you'll

749
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: actually be really warm, right because your body is cold

750
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 3: and therefore it sort of creates this heat, and you'll

751
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: actually be really stale when you come out. And then

752
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 3: you can gradually increase the time. That's the easiest step

753
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 3: for you to sort of practice the cold. And then

754
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 3: an icebad I think is quite extreme. So I'd probably

755
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 3: recommend to the cold shouse first.

756
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: God, So we also have some questions about, you know,

757
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: just around the sauna, for example, what is eating around

758
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: the sauna before, after water, before and after what's protocol there.

759
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you think about eating, that essentially is

760
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 3: a function of the human body that the body needs

761
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: to provide energy for right we want to keep that

762
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: digestive fire, those digestive enzymes actually active. If you eat

763
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 3: before you step actually into the sauna, there's essentially another

764
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: workout happening with your organs are whether trying to process

765
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 3: the food, and then you know your body actually has

766
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 3: to cope with this extra stretch which takes more energy.

767
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: So definitely try to not eat before the sauna at

768
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:18,959
Speaker 3: least for an hour to an hour and a half.

769
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: You want to fully have gone through the digestive process

770
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: to just really make sure that you get the best

771
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 3: calorie absorption, nutrient absorption, and you just really make sure

772
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: that their body sort of focuses also on dealing with

773
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: this heat at the same time. As far as I know,

774
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: there are no studies, but for everyone that I think

775
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: has done a workout and eaten too heavily before that,

776
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 3: and you kind of almost at the point of throwing

777
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: up or having like a really full timet feeling. That

778
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: can happen in the sauna too to some extent, right,

779
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 3: because it's literally your body is going through that workout

780
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: and you're trying to adjust the food. So in terms

781
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: of water, a big, big, big, big factor because you

782
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: can lose up to a liter and a half of

783
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 3: water persona session. That's a lot of water. Right if

784
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: we're sort of trying to drink two to three liters

785
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: a day for average human being, you lose a leader

786
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: and a half. That means you have to at least

787
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: drinkly and a half. So I'd recommend taking a big

788
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 3: glass before, at least a big glass during at another

789
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 3: big glass after this sauna session, and you actually notice

790
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 3: you probably won't have to pee, which I think is

791
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: really quite It's a funny self experiment, right because usually

792
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: so I have just drinkly and a half, why do

793
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 3: I not need to pee? And the reason is obviously

794
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: that your body needs that water in order to have

795
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 3: that balance within the body. Another important factor is a

796
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: lot of people can't sweat when they first go on

797
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 3: an infrared sauner. That could also be that you generally

798
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: slightly deter dehydrated, because if you go in there and

799
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 3: your body actually does not really have the excessive water

800
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 3: to start producing the sweat, the body's going to shut

801
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: down that function because the body needs the water elsewhere.

802
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: So it make sure you're well hydrate.

803
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Yeah, and that's I think, you know,

804
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: if you ever feel like dizziness or headaches or whatnot,

805
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 3: that could also be a sign of dehydration or not

806
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 3: actually having drink and water. And the last one is

807
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 3: probably minerals. Make sure that you increase your salt and

808
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: take you know, take magnesium, take some electrolytes, because you're

809
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 3: not just losing toxins. You're not just losing water through

810
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 3: the sweat, but you're obviously also losing minerals.

811
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I realized, I just completely forgot about that.

812
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: Cuba does electrolytes because of the sauna.

813
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 3: Beautiful, let's pin them up. I think that this makes

814
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 3: a lot of sense to do that, because yeah, one

815
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: hundred percent, because you know, I mean, you're sweating up

816
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 3: to lead and a half. I mean, if you do

817
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 3: maybe an indoor spinning class, a hot yoga, you might

818
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 3: sweat the same numbers, But apart from that, it's really

819
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 3: hard to lose the same sort of amount of sweat

820
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: and that. You know, but with the sauna, especially if

821
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 3: you do three or four times a week, it's a

822
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: lot of sweat, there's a lot of minerals. You might

823
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 3: actually create some with salt of that. Anyway, Yeah, noted.

824
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: I'll do it good. What about in regards to your

825
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 1: workout before after? Does it matter?

826
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 3: Depends on your goal, to be honest, you know, saunas

827
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: and red lights through pop which we can talk about

828
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 3: at some point too, have been studied both before and

829
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 3: after a workout, and if you do it, If you

830
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: do it before the workout, it essentially means that all

831
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: your muscles and everything has sort of has had increased

832
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 3: oxygen flow and nutrient flow in the body. Right, So

833
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: you could argue that essentially your body, your body's energetic

834
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 3: potential has sort of increased as a consequence of doing that,

835
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: which essentially has shown that performance has increased as well.

836
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: So that's warmed up, Yeah, sort of ready to go out.

837
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 3: And you've sort of you pimped your body almost you know,

838
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: it's kind of here's every all the nutrients and everything

839
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: provided and he's just had this similar cardiorescular workout, so

840
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: he's kind of that stimulus has actually been there too,

841
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 3: and that has shown to increase performance, endurance, running strength,

842
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 3: and whatnot. The alternative is, obviously, if you do it

843
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: after a workout when everything's sore and you get inflammation

844
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 3: in your body, which you know every sort of exercise

845
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: causes some inflammation, and you know that it's one that

846
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 3: reduces flammation. It essentially means that your recovery improves greatly,

847
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: right because your muscles will then actually have more oxygen

848
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 3: ma nutrients in order to deal with that local inflammation.

849
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 3: So it depends on what you want to get out

850
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 3: of it. I will as a tendency, I would definitely

851
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: say do it after. With icebats, I think it's a

852
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: little bit different. I think you don't want to do

853
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 3: an ice bas after a workout. I forgot the reason why,

854
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 3: but there's some really strong evidence on I don't think

855
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 3: doing that after workout or before there was one of

856
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: the two. But with saunas you can do things bost ways.

857
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Yeah, that's interesting. I'm now even reflecting because

858
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: I have just started one on one PT and I've

859
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: been doing a lot of like peebs and like strong

860
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: compound movements, and I haven't really been sore, so it

861
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: makes a lot of No, haven't makes a lot of sense,

862
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, doing the sauna at night and then going

863
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: to bed. Yeah, that's very cool. Well, let's talk about

864
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: some more benefits and tips. What are certain health conditions

865
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: that mean you shouldn't use a sauna?

866
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: Look, I think the official answer for liability reasons is

867
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 3: whenever you have a you know, a sort of order,

868
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 3: immune disease or whatnot, you need to check with the

869
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 3: health pectitioner or with your doctor with the MD. But

870
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: high blood pressure is definitely like saunas have shown to

871
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: help with hold the high blood pressure because it essentially

872
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 3: increases the vessel dilation which then supports the heart health.

873
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 3: But high blood pressure is a bit tricky just because

874
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 3: it's it's actually a medical term. You can't really you know,

875
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 3: it can't really make sort of promises on that hyper tony,

876
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 3: which is low blood pressure. That is something you definitely

877
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 3: want to check. There are ways to deal with low

878
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 3: blood pressure. I think doctor James Dinnick from the US

879
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 3: and sim Land, European biacker that wrote a book on

880
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 3: the call. I think the salt fixed, so it seems

881
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: that an increased intake of salt can can show with

882
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: low blood pressure. Being pregnant is something that the i'd

883
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 3: probably call the sauna industry is kind of has mixed

884
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 3: opinions on some Many fact actually say that you should

885
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 3: not do it because of the detoxification aspects of saunas.

886
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 3: You know, there's no guarantee that some of the toxins

887
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 3: won't enter your bloodstream, in which case, if you basically

888
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 3: have a newborn, you can't really control that. That's why

889
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: we generally don't recommend it. There's not a lot of

890
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 3: evidence out there, but I think if you think about

891
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 3: it logically, you know it doesn't make sense. Breast Feeding

892
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: is something where you want to be gentle just because

893
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: of the same thing. If you kind of go through

894
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: have a detoxification process, you know, there's no control that

895
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 3: it actually can't be passed onto the baby through the milk.

896
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: Cancer really hot iron, you know, I think there is.

897
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: Hypothermia is actually a cancer treatment method in Germany. So

898
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 3: that sort of inducement of artificial fever beyond thirty nine

899
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: forty degree celsius has shown strong health benefits for the

900
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 3: immune system. You know, helps with production of white blood cells,

901
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: but depending on your fitness levels, it might be too

902
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 3: much for your body and sime. Actually, if you're actually

903
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: sick and you get a virus, a bacteria or chest

904
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 3: in fact, this workout might be too much. And whilst

905
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: saun us helped greatly improve the immune system, if you're

906
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 3: two weak with your immune system is already kind of

907
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 3: in fight with this bios of bacteria, that might tip

908
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 3: the balance and might actually make you sick anthem.

909
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: Before m Okay, that's interesting. I well I did that

910
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: the other day. I felt like I was getting little

911
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: bit sick last week, but I just took the temperature

912
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: down so it was like just more enjoyable of me,

913
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, sweating, but yeah, not overdoing it. What would

914
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: you say, So, I know you've gone into you know,

915
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: the benefits right at the start, but like the health benefits,

916
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: can you kind of just give us like the key

917
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: pillars just so we've covered that awesome?

918
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 3: Look. I always like to say, there's probably there's so

919
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: many reasons saunas are good, feel it's pretty hard to

920
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: summarize them. Or but I think if we talked about

921
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: detoxification and see if it's a main one. And I

922
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 3: think we're just at the tip of the icebec to

923
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: figuring out actually how toxins actually contribute to our health,

924
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: you know, how toxins may actually be also responsible for

925
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 3: certain diseases. Like I think there's a few really smart

926
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 3: people out there. It's sort of researching on this topic.

927
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 3: So really getting that sweating is a good one. Cardiovescular workout,

928
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 3: cardiovscular effects. Improvement of the heart, I think is a

929
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 3: big one. I think I read that around fifty one

930
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: percent of all cost metalities in Germany it comes from

931
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 3: cardiovesculer to disease, you know that might be strokes, heart attacks,

932
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 3: high blood pressure which then can actually lead to death.

933
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: So I think we all should have an interest in

934
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 3: really training your heart and sort of dealing with this stress.

935
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: Stress and relaxation. I think that's a big one. Taking

936
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 3: time to you know, to have our sanctuary at home,

937
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 3: you know, to have a ritual and you know, undivided

938
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: attention to myself, like no not vlcations, no emails, you know,

939
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: no screaming whatever or whoever. So I think that's a

940
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: really important one. Sleep is a big one. I think

941
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: if we can't sleep, it's probably one of the pillars

942
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: of health, Like without sleep, it doesn't work. Has shown

943
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 3: to support greatly with melatonin. Longevity is another one. You know,

944
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: heat shog proteins. They seem to greatly have an effect

945
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: on the lifespan of ourselves. Although you know, infrareds are

946
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 3: just sort of being researched and there's more and more

947
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: evidence coming out that infrareds one has also help with

948
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 3: heat shock proteins. That used to be one of the

949
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 3: things where critics would say, the sauna is not hot,

950
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 3: an avenue can't heat proteins.

951
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: Can I ask you what is the heat shock protein?

952
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: Could you explain that to.

953
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 3: It's a really funny definition, Like it's essentially it's a

954
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: protein that is vital in our body and it does

955
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 3: not really have it really doesn't have cipher instance, the

956
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 3: same function as collagen, which is, you know, basically for

957
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 3: the skin and structure, protein and bone density and whatnot.

958
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 3: But these heat shock proteins are being activated when we

959
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: are exposed to extreme heat, and they essentially are supportive

960
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 3: proteins that support all other protein groups we have in

961
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: the body. And they do that essentially by increasing their

962
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 3: lifespan by essentially helping certain proteins and cells to essentially

963
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 3: be repaired. And that probably that is currently all I know.

964
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 3: Like and now doctor Ronda Patrick, who is one of

965
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 3: the leading sonar researchers in the world. She does a

966
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: lot of research and heat of proteins, and we all

967
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 3: know that. You know, even if you did a sauna

968
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: once every two weeks, you know, a heature protein might

969
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: actually activation might actually last for up to two to

970
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: six weeks, and they contribute to longevity. So there's a

971
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 3: lot more research to be done on those. And a

972
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 3: traditional sauna helps faster with the HUTU of proteins because

973
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 3: you deal with higher temperatures and that's why essentially if

974
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,479
Speaker 3: you stay in in for it so not long enough,

975
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 3: heat putin activation also happens. There used to be a

976
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 3: lot of critics is said that isn't possible, but they're

977
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 3: more and more doctors like doctor James nick Nick from

978
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 3: the US who really showed a very clear timeline of

979
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 3: what happens actually when you stand in in for it

980
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 3: ZNA for long and you get the same sort of

981
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 3: group of proteins, or when you do an ice bath

982
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 3: but you call them culture proteins, right, so they get

983
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: activated whenever you have that shock that you.

984
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: Know, he orul chock, and they help repair.

985
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's essentially what it is. But again I'm not

986
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 3: an expert on this. Yeah, that's definitely something I want

987
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: to educate MYSELFE.

988
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard it on I was listening to a

989
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 1: podcast I've said it on here already by Mark Haymen.

990
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: Is that is that the right?

991
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 3: Dymond?

992
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: Yes, he wrote a book all about it's like turning

993
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: back the clock or and it's like the ten Pillars,

994
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,959
Speaker 1: and he spoke about exactly what he said, and he said, yeah,

995
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: it's going to help you repair and it's like he

996
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: kind of explained it in the way of like you

997
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: know when you're sleeping and your body actually gets time

998
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: to repair and fix itself, And the same thing happens

999
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: when these proteins are activated, and they can also like

1000
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: repair damage, which.

1001
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 3: Is really cool, fascinating.

1002
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, could you tell us a little bit about red

1003
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: light therapy because I personally got a red light in

1004
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: my sauna at like an extra one because I heard

1005
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: about it in all the podcasts, But I was like,

1006
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: what does this actually do?

1007
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 3: Sure? Yeah, it's a it's a very common thing to

1008
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 3: confuse or to you to misunderstand. So red light therapy

1009
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 3: stands for red light and near infrared therapy, or you

1010
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 3: also caught it low level laser therapy. And it's been

1011
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 3: very very well researched that probably more than a couple

1012
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 3: of hundred studies actually on the effects of red light

1013
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 3: and near infrared. And the way I like to explain

1014
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 3: it is that you know, when you have an infrared sauna,

1015
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: which also uses light, the primary drive of all the

1016
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 3: health benefits heat, right, so everything boils down to you know,

1017
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 3: raising the core temperature, you know, starting that sweat, and

1018
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 3: then you got you know, all these beautiful benefits with it.

1019
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 3: Red light therapy uses two very very specific wavelength It

1020
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 3: uses red light like literally red light, which is why

1021
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: it's extremely bright when you put it on at a

1022
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 3: very specific wavelength of six hundred, six hundred and sixty

1023
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 3: nanometers and near infrared, which is partly visible but partly

1024
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 3: not visible in the infrared spectrum. Infrared spectrum of eight

1025
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 3: hundred to eight hundred and sixteen animeters, there's a really

1026
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 3: really tiny short wavelength profiles and when they are emitting

1027
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 3: their red light and near and for red and they

1028
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: sort of shine on the human body. There's an a

1029
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 3: fact that it's called the photobiomodulation. So photo means light

1030
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 3: and biomodulation means some sort of stimulation or activation. And

1031
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 3: the underlying mechanism is that it's a form of light therapy.

1032
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 3: So you actually don't sweat, you don't have the same

1033
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: effect of vessel dilation. You know, you're not burning your

1034
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 3: skin because it's so hot or anything, but it's literally light.

1035
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 3: It's nice and warm, and that is being absorbed by

1036
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 3: our photoreceptors, which is why we need naked skin in

1037
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 3: front of this light therapy. And this effect of photobiomodulation

1038
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 3: stimulates a mitochondria like mitochondria is again talking longevity and

1039
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 3: health is probably one of the most research topics at

1040
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 3: the moment. Sunlight, you know, helps mitochondria, ice, bath, sauna,

1041
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 3: you know, food, certain foods actually have a support migochondria,

1042
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 3: and this type of light therapy activates our mitochondria to

1043
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 3: produce more ATP. ADP can actually be considered fuel, right,

1044
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 3: So if we have more ATP and no mitochondria, we

1045
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 3: have more energy in a body or mitochondria healthier in

1046
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: order to deal with a lot of the functions we

1047
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 3: have in the body, and we get quadrillions of mitochondria

1048
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 3: every cell essentially almost every cells mitochondria and these get

1049
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 3: activated through light and then we have more ADP and

1050
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 3: that essentially means that a lot of the internal process

1051
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: of a body can actually happen faster, better and more efficiently.

1052
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 3: And that starts with collagen production. It's been shown to

1053
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 3: support testoster and production for men, which is really important.

1054
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 3: It's not just a sexual hormone that everyone thinks of,

1055
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: but energy energy. It helps with destressing, it helps with

1056
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 3: bone obviously, you know, fertility and whatnot. And it's crucial

1057
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 3: especially for men because you know, they did studies on

1058
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 3: that and showing that whenever men over fifty essentially have

1059
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 3: half of the testosterone levels compared to someone in the

1060
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 3: early thirties. So it's vital for men to really work

1061
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 3: on the testosterone, but also for women. You know, it

1062
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 3: has you know, definitely has hormone balancing effect. You know,

1063
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 3: it's been shown to help with thyroid issues over under regulation.

1064
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 3: Obviously not solely seen to supplement I it now and

1065
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 3: not depending on that, depending on what your condition is

1066
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 3: it's been shown to support with sleep because it's essentially

1067
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 3: two artificially created wavelength that you, however, do find in

1068
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 3: the sun. You know, and it looks I mean, you

1069
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 3: know that it looks very similar to sunrise or a sunset.

1070
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 3: And I think that again has effects on our cortisol

1071
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 3: Level's like in the morning, a cortisol is the highest,

1072
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: and I think if we look in direct sunlight for

1073
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: five or ten minutes, it flattens the curve straight away,

1074
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: which is what we want. I'd say it has the

1075
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 3: effect on our cacadian rhythm, and you can see like

1076
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 3: there's a lot of benefits that come with it. They've

1077
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 3: done studies on depression, they've done studies on fertility in

1078
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 3: both men and women, and immune system. It's endless and

1079
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 3: the way why we integrated that into our sauna is

1080
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: I think it's a really interesting point because we talked

1081
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 3: about the sanctuary and you know, you're short in time.

1082
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 3: You get a kid, you get a business, get a hobby,

1083
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 3: you know, and whatever else in life you do. And

1084
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 3: I think we all have a life. It feels like

1085
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 3: we're always short in time. But I think it's changed.

1086
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 3: I think it's just life's busier and we don't prioritize things.

1087
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 3: So our vision is that really this sauna becomes health

1088
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 3: box and very very rudimentary terms, which allows you to

1089
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 3: integrate all these different health metalities while doing the sauna

1090
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 3: right SOT podcast or you could do breathing meditation. You

1091
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 3: can put the red light on. We're working on an

1092
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 3: aroma therapy device that allows you to bring aroma oils.

1093
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 3: We get a salt therapy that literally works as a

1094
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 3: sort in halo to help with respiratory diseases. And red

1095
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 3: light therapy is a really logical one because it's non invasive,

1096
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 3: absolutely safe, there literally no contraindications apartments someone. It's light sensitive.

1097
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 3: There are some people that react allergically, for instance the sunlight,

1098
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 3: and it just made sense. Hmm.

1099
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm so happy I invested in that because there's

1100
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: I know, there's one up a top, and then I

1101
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: got another one that you guys put into which is epic.

1102
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 3: Well, the one at the top, I think that's a

1103
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 3: really good let's quickly talk about that. Because the one

1104
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 3: at the top, we call it chromo therapy. It's color

1105
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 3: light therapy, right, so you can seat of change colors. Yeah,

1106
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 3: well yes, and no, you get red light from it too,

1107
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 3: but the intensity is not nearly there for this red

1108
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 3: light therapy to work, and you're missing the knee in

1109
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 3: for it. And only when you have those two really

1110
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 3: specific high intensity wavelengths coming at you together will you

1111
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,959
Speaker 3: will have the effect of photo biomotulation. So this color

1112
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: light therapy and the ceiling, it's it helps you, and

1113
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 3: it kind of you know, there's there's signs on colors

1114
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 3: actually stimulating the brain, helping you relax, helping you feel

1115
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 3: more awake and whatnot, but it's nowhere near the effectiveness

1116
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 3: and will not actually help you achieve that photo biometilation.

1117
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: Oh okay, noted, Well, great choice if you absolutely no,

1118
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: that's incredible. I had heard so many things on like

1119
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: podcasts and different things, but like I didn't actually know

1120
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: the science behind it, So thank you explaining it.

1121
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 3: Is like everyone sort of presents their product as holy grail.

1122
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 3: Unfortunately this whole industry isn't regulated, so I think why

1123
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 3: there's a lot of demand and and a lot of

1124
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 3: sudden necessity for really educational pieces around it. And that's

1125
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 3: the beautiful thing about you know, saunas and red light

1126
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 3: therapy that they're not either or. It's the same like

1127
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 3: you know, sworn as an icebet. It's not an either question.

1128
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 3: Even a traditional sauna or an inference to me is

1129
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 3: not an either or question. You know, they all have

1130
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 3: pros and cons and ideally use some complimentary Yeah yeah.

1131
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: Wow, Well even talking about that, because I know the

1132
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: industry isn't regulated, how can someone like, what should they

1133
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: be looking for when they're purchasing and at home sauna.

1134
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: I remember my acupuncture is kind of talking about EMFs

1135
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: and all different things, and I was like, Oh, I

1136
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: don't know, just go off your recommendation. What are some

1137
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: things they have to be looking for.

1138
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's again that's where it gets really complex in

1139
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: my eyes, and I think which is sort of trying

1140
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 3: to untangle a little bit of that and just really

1141
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 3: look facts based. So I think EMF is probably one

1142
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 3: of the important ones for those that don't actually know

1143
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 3: what it stands for. Its electromagnetic frequencies you know, in

1144
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 3: lay terms, you could pull it electro smock or dirty electricity,

1145
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 3: and the theories that every electrical device doesn't matter where

1146
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 3: you have phone, a computer, a microwave, or an electric car,

1147
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 3: whenever there's a current an electromagnetic field surrounds it, and

1148
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 3: the stronger the electric are current, the larger and the

1149
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 3: bigger and the stronger this electrical field is. And you

1150
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 3: have electromagnetic fields, you have electrical fields, and then you

1151
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 3: have high frequencies you know that are emitted for Bluetooth's,

1152
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 3: Wi Fire telephones and whatnot. And you know, again, a

1153
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 3: lot of people are not convinced that it actually really

1154
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 3: is a thing. But in Germany, which I think is

1155
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 3: one of the leading countries when it comes to electrosmock,

1156
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 3: electro electromagnetic hypersensitivity is actually in a disease at the moment, right,

1157
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 3: So you can walk to a doctor if you could

1158
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 3: constantly have a they can you know, they can actually

1159
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 3: really help you get help for that because a lot

1160
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 3: of people have gotten brain freed, literally and the World

1161
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 3: Health Organization has published standards on it, so it's not

1162
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 3: a hoax anymore. And I always like to say that, well,

1163
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 3: you don't want to sleep on a WiFi rat and

1164
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 3: a lot of people get that right. And so when

1165
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 3: you look at an infrared sauna per design, it becomes

1166
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 3: a topic of concern because rather than having one central

1167
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 3: stove as for a traditional sauna, you get all these

1168
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 3: infrared heating panels all around you. You know, you got

1169
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 3: heaters front back, even to get lights on top of

1170
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 3: the top in the ceiling, and all of these produce

1171
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 3: some sort of EMF because they all require electricity to

1172
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 3: run so naturally. And I think if you look ten

1173
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 3: years or fifteen years ago, there was no standards in

1174
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 3: the MF. You literally got fried in there. It used

1175
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 3: to be like three hundred times the standard that the WHO,

1176
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 3: the World Health Organization has published now in terms of

1177
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 3: being exposed to electromagnetic fields. And you know that can

1178
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 3: have that can cause actually sleep deprivation, it can cause headaches,

1179
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: it can cause fatigue, and some people are more sensitive

1180
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 3: than others, and it's really hard to quantify that. But

1181
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 3: you know, if you just go on Amazon or somewhere,

1182
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 3: you can buy an EMF tector and you can actually

1183
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 3: measure certain household appliances in a day to day basis.

1184
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 3: So and to come back to saunas or infrared saunas,

1185
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 3: you really want to make sure that the company that

1186
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 3: you speak with understands this topic of EMF. A lot

1187
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 3: of companies say, well, our heaters are low EMF, but

1188
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: if you think about it that's not just enough. You

1189
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 3: get wires running all across the sawn, you get lights,

1190
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 3: you get speakers, you get potential Wi Fi connections. So

1191
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 3: this company ideally really looks at it holistically and sort

1192
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 3: of thinks about, well, where can we position actually the

1193
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 3: electrics so that they don't actually expose the user to

1194
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 3: high concentrations of EMF or ELF And that's always done

1195
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 3: ten years ago. But again, because it's not regulated, everyone

1196
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 3: can say the sauna is a low EMF. So I

1197
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 3: probably really encourage everyone to ask some of the really

1198
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 3: hard questions, like about how high are your EMF where

1199
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 3: you actually sit, because you know, if you measured on

1200
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 3: the heater, that's one thing, but you you know, you're

1201
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 3: obviously not sitting on the heater and you're kind of

1202
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: sitting on the bench, and that's where you want to

1203
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 3: know what the exposure is like. That's a really important one.

1204
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 3: I think the choice of materials is important. A lot

1205
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 3: of saunas, you know, but especially cheaper ones. There's again

1206
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 3: no standards, there's no safety regulations, so a lot of

1207
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 3: glues are being hurt. You know what can either be

1208
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 3: dried through literally just you know, aging it or waiting,

1209
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 3: or it can be kill and dried, which essentially uses

1210
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 3: chemicals as well to suck out the moisture. And you

1211
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 3: need wood with little moisture because otherwise it bends and

1212
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 3: it cracks and what so that's a really important one.

1213
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 3: And the term you want to look for is no

1214
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 3: voc in a volatile organic compounds because that's a testing

1215
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 3: method where any given material is being tested under heat

1216
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 3: and you try to measure whether certain materials off gas,

1217
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 3: certain chemical glues or plas stick or whatnot. You can

1218
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 3: smell it, especially cheapest when you actually smell that, well, yes,

1219
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,439
Speaker 3: it's actually not really good. And you know that could

1220
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 3: potentially cause more harm than do good, right because if

1221
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 3: someone has certain sensitivities to chemicals and you inhale those,

1222
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 3: it could trigger an allergic reaction or whatnot. And I

1223
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 3: think the last one, or the last two ones, one

1224
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 3: is warranty. Ideally it to one the once in a

1225
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 3: lifetime purchase. We give a lifetime warranty. You know, some

1226
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 3: other companies do that as well, or do seven years

1227
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 3: or you know, so to really make sure that it's

1228
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 3: a company that really has ideally done the homework for

1229
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 3: you and the heater technology, right, because if you think

1230
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 3: about it, you can either use a metal rod to

1231
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,919
Speaker 3: produce infrared, or you can use a carbon and ceramic heata.

1232
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 3: And around twelve years ago we invented a carbon and

1233
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 3: ceramic heater that combines those two materials. It's really small,

1234
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 3: it doesn't heat the head, which is a really important

1235
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 3: one as well, and it produces wavelengths that are really

1236
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 3: benefited to the body. And I think you really don't

1237
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 3: want to go with a standard heater that has not

1238
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 3: been tested for human health. So I think ideally asked

1239
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 3: the company, Hey, you know, if you guys done any

1240
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 3: studies where you sort of hit any health practitioner as

1241
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 3: a hospital, just to really understand that probably people that

1242
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 3: are smarter than you or me or you know, they've

1243
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 3: probably looked deeper than us. And you said, like, you

1244
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 3: trust your practitioner blind, right, so you know that she

1245
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 3: has certain standards. And I'm the same, Like, you know,

1246
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 3: I trust certain doctors and if they went for it,

1247
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 3: I'm probably ninety ninety five percent a null that they've

1248
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 3: done the homework for me. Yeah, and I trust them.

1249
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what my actual countress said, because she's like,

1250
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: oh yeah, she's like you want to get a good one,

1251
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: and especially if you're in it, you know, three or

1252
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: four times a week. And her big thing too was like,

1253
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, you pay for what you get, so don't

1254
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: just go for something cheap because it's yeah, it's just

1255
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: not worth it, especially when it's for your health.

1256
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 3: Agreed.

1257
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: Also, just quickly, what's your thoughts and feelings on a

1258
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: steam room and how is it different?

1259
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 3: Ah, steam rooms, I don't like them.

1260
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: Look, I personally don't know that.

1261
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I love literally all types of saunas,

1262
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 3: but steam rooms is the one thing that doesn't get me.

1263
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 3: And I've been in Istanbul, I mean, the beauty of

1264
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 3: Europe about everything's close, I've done turkishr moms, I've been

1265
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 3: in Greece, and it just yeah, it just doesn't get me.

1266
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 3: And I can't even describe to you why. It's just

1267
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 3: I like, and of course you know, it's just like

1268
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 3: when you put water in a traditional so when I

1269
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 3: get the heat cranking and you know, commanded after skiing,

1270
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 3: I love that. But a steam room not my thing

1271
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 3: because I feel like it's kind of a compromise between

1272
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 3: this two. You're having lower temperatures, which yeah, you're.

1273
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: Kind of not getting the benefits.

1274
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. I'm sure steam room if you

1275
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 3: stay in the long enough, you'll also get that cardiovscular workout.

1276
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 3: But I don't particularly enjoy the benefits of steam like

1277
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 3: I'd much rather use a salt and hala for instance,

1278
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 3: to get or you know, do put water actually on

1279
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,959
Speaker 3: a traditional sauna like to get you know, the same

1280
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Speaker 3: feeding from it. So it's not my thing. I don't

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Speaker 3: know a lot about it because I don't like them.

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Speaker 1: I just personally find them very uncomfortable. You can't really

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Speaker 1: breathe probably, so I feel like what I love about

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Speaker 1: the infrared sauna is like I can be in there

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Speaker 1: and I can be calm, and yes, it does get

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Speaker 1: hard in the last five minutes, like it's you know,

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Speaker 1: you're dealing with that stress up, but it's enjoyable. Yeah,

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01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: but yeah, some other questions, So the community wants to know,

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Speaker 1: how can we use a sauna to support a healthy

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Speaker 1: cycle for the females.

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Speaker 3: Good question. My partner, she does the sauna gently then,

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Speaker 3: and if you know, cycle is a complex one and

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Speaker 3: I'm not an expert on woman health quite frankly, but

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Speaker 3: obviously what happens is that we women tend to cramp, right,

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Speaker 3: Everything tends to be really tired and seems to be

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Speaker 3: in pain. And I'm pretty sure that if you listen

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Speaker 3: to your body, it's a natural time to slow down, right.

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Speaker 3: I think whether we like it or not, women like

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Speaker 3: it or not, it's still it's part of the human bayology.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of natural to the woman's body. And what

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Speaker 3: my partner does is she will still use the sauna,

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Speaker 3: but she'll be very very gentle, and she'll do it

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01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 3: more for the soothing heat and for some of the

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01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 3: muscle tension to essentially let go. She'll also do red light,

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01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 3: so you know, if she's cramping, she will essentially use

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Speaker 3: red light on her lower body just to really help

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01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 3: with some of the mitochondria and some of that sort

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01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 3: of anti implemat anti inflammatory aspects of the light therapy.

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Speaker 3: But she'll definitely not go not go all in when

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Speaker 3: it comes to using the sauna and sort of sticking

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Speaker 3: to a normal routine. Whether that is you know what

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Speaker 3: science says. I don't know, but I do know that

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Speaker 3: works for her because it helps her relax, It helps

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Speaker 3: her distract from that and heat always has a certain

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Speaker 3: pain relieving aspect as well, and so does allied light

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Speaker 3: therapy or red light therapy as well, So those will

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Speaker 3: be my go to. So it's like, you know, just

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01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 3: really try to relax, you know, find a nice posture,

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01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 3: try to sort of let some of that muscle tension

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Speaker 3: and that cramping go. And I personally believe that it's

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01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 3: a time to slow down, to not work hard. You

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01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 3: know in our company, you know, if someone is on there,

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01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 3: you know, starts having period and they just feel out

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01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 3: of work, they're trying to go home. I think it's

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Speaker 3: absolutely not natural to work then here that I do

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Speaker 3: you you think you guys should do that too?

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Speaker 1: No one would be no, no, no, no, no no, just

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Speaker 1: be Cooper in the office.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it, and it is it

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Speaker 1: makes sense just going back to that because I just

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Speaker 1: had a thought, then with the red light therapy, is

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Speaker 1: it then smart for example, because I have thioide issues.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is silly or not, but

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Speaker 1: to make sure the red light is near the neck,

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01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: because that's like, ye, does that make sense? Is that

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Speaker 1: what I should do?

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Speaker 3: I mean, red light therapy is not like if you

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01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 3: think about saunts, it's a full but treatment you go

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01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 3: in there, your entire body essentially.

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01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: From because it's from the inside out.

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01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 3: Exactly light they it's like tanning, right, Like if you

1343
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 3: put your arm in the sun, that arm will go interesting,

1344
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 3: melanine will be produced and it'll ten have done probably won't.

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01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 3: I mean, the entire body produces melanine, so there will

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01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 3: be some of that effect, but it will be very

1347
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 3: very visible in terms of what arm was in the

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01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 3: sun and what I'm wasn't think about that perspective. In

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Speaker 3: terms of allied light therapy, if you put it on

1350
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 3: your toe because your toe has you know, chronic inflammation,

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01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 3: it's going to somehow support energy production in your body,

1352
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,919
Speaker 3: but the majority of the benefits will be in the toe,

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01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 3: right And I think if you want to do alied

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01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 3: light therapy, you can take it outside of the sauna

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01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 3: and were actually we have our own dedicated red light

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01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 3: therapy which will relaunch shortly send it over to you

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01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 3: because it's really handy to the outside of the sauna

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01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 3: as well at times, you know, and then put it on,

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01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 3: put it on here, put it on your put on

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01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 3: specific I'm pretty sure it definitely helps. Like I think

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01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 3: thyroid is really complex so you definitely probably do want

1362
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 3: to do a nutritional analysis.

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01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: Yees, I don't know, of course.

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01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know if you do it on your

1365
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 3: thyroid first and then potentially on your lower back because

1366
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 3: you get pain there, absolutely fine. Like it's it's a

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01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 3: topic of treatment as opposed to a whole body treatment.

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Speaker 1: Mm I love that, so good to know. Another kind

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01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: of question, what are there any studies or you know,

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01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: what's your experience in regards to saunas and infrared sauna? Sorry,

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Speaker 1: and fertility.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Again, I don't know that about women health,

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01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 3: but saunas do have a tendency in men to reduce

1374
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 3: smoke out Why because.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, it's good.

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01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 3: It's good because you know, our testicles do. It's probably

1377
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 3: one of the coolest parts in the in the male

1378
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 3: human body. And as far as I know, and I'm

1379
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 3: not an expert on fertility, and then we don't have

1380
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 3: kids yet, an increase in temperature essentially reduces sperm count

1381
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 3: or male fertility. Infrared saunas aren't so much of an

1382
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 3: issue because you not have the same air temperature and

1383
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 3: you're not obviously exposing your balls to direct infrared lighter

1384
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 3: you can, but I'm on recommending you might do that

1385
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 3: to red light filimp actually boosting testosterone. Is this guy

1386
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 3: Ben Greenfield in the US has done it over a

1387
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Speaker 3: couple of weeks and they had an increase in fifty percent.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow.

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Speaker 3: But with traditional saunas in particular, high heat exposure has

1390
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 3: an effect on sperm count. Okay, definitely studies on that.

1391
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: Okay, So what to kind of finish, like, what is

1392
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: the most common mistakes people make when using a sauna

1393
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: and how the can they be avoided? Can you make

1394
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: a mistake or it's kind of like it is what

1395
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 1: it is?

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01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 3: No, I think really overdoing it is probably the main mistake.

1397
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 3: And you know a lot of people that are you know,

1398
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 3: went in there and just wasn't my thing, or you know,

1399
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 3: I've got super headaches and whatnot. And I think that's

1400
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 3: particularly the case that there's a lack of understanding in

1401
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 3: terms of how this works. Especially infrareds are still relatively new.

1402
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 3: It's not a lot of people that understand it. Although

1403
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 3: Australia it's definitely advancing at a rapid pace in terms

1404
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 3: of the market awareness on that topic. But I think

1405
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 3: there are not all saunas are credit equal right, So

1406
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 3: you know there's some good infrareds on us, some bad

1407
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 3: infreds on us. And if you've had a sauna once

1408
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 3: and you didn't like it, that might not actually mean

1409
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 3: that they might infer its on us. May never be

1410
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 3: a thing for you, So it'd sort of challenged you

1411
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 3: on potentially going out there and testing maybe a different one.

1412
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 3: You know, you guys might know city caves, you know

1413
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 3: they have US saunas, and I think they're probably in

1414
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 3: I don't know how many cities in Australia, so they're

1415
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 3: definitely very accessible. And the downside I often see with

1416
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 3: commercial occasions is you'll have twenty or forty minutes packs

1417
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 3: and maybe thirty minutes right, so you kind of stuck

1418
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 3: on those times anything where I have to do those

1419
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 3: at all times. But if you've had a stress, if

1420
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 3: you've had a look of sleep, if you maybe if

1421
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 3: your body is maybe going through something, or you might

1422
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 3: be having your period, you don't have to stick to that.

1423
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 3: Don't feel bad about going out if you feel like

1424
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 3: twenty five minutes was tough. Then we spoke about like

1425
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 3: not having food before the sauna. You try to avoid

1426
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 3: that increasing water intake and just be mindful to your

1427
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 3: body after that in terms of electrolytes, like you have

1428
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 3: an understanding that you might crave salt, and you know,

1429
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 3: if you if we are not eating ultra process foods,

1430
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,759
Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with adding salt. Salt is really the problem.

1431
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 1: I love salt.

1432
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 3: It's like like I toss it in my water in

1433
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 3: the morning, and you know it needs to be good salt.

1434
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 3: And I think only if we're obviously not sticking to

1435
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 3: ultra process food at all times, because that's kind of

1436
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 3: the bad salt you actually don't want to have in there. Yeah,

1437
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 3: So that would probably be my go to tips. If

1438
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 3: you like it hotter, or you feel like you don't

1439
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,560
Speaker 3: sweat in a sauna, what you can you can do

1440
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 3: workout before and hop after the workout when you when

1441
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 3: your heart rate has gone up and you're actually already

1442
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 3: sweating into the sauna. That'll make it more tents Or

1443
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 3: have a hot shower. You might enjoy that. Have a

1444
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 3: cranking hot shower then help in your corner. It'll be

1445
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 3: a different experience altogether, really, because you know you're warming

1446
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 3: up your body right like you essentially really probably half

1447
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,719
Speaker 3: a degrees increase if you sort of jump out there

1448
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 3: straight in the sauna. And the last one which hasn't,

1449
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 3: which I believe is the case, but hasn't you know, haven't.

1450
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 3: I haven't actually found any research. Just a lot of

1451
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 3: the times after a sauna, we feel like we want

1452
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 3: to get an ice bath or a culture straight away.

1453
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:33,759
Speaker 3: And if we understand that our skin is our largest

1454
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 3: organs and we actually sweat out not just sweat and

1455
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 3: salt but also toxins through the skin, if we put

1456
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 3: cold water on straight away, it actually closes the skin port.

1457
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 3: So what I would like to do, and I think doctor,

1458
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 3: you know, doctor Mark Cohen, who's one of the researchers,

1459
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 3: he sort of confirmed that to is you want to

1460
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 3: take a gentle like a lush warm sour shower after

1461
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 3: it to sort of make sure you rinse of all

1462
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 3: the sweat, all the toxins, salt and all the sort

1463
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 3: of skins came out of the process and then go

1464
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,640
Speaker 3: to cold. But I don't know whether that's true. To me,

1465
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 3: it makes sense, and my managers like, yeah, of.

1466
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: Course, but I have a hot shower of this.

1467
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 3: Sauner, but then you want to know.

1468
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: Cold shower here. But yes, we'll do the culture at

1469
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: some point, I'll do it. I'll do it. Okay, okay, okay.

1470
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming in and chatting to

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01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: us and giving us all the knowledge. Like I said,

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01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: it's like I had heard so many different things. And

1473
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 1: obviously I've been using the sauna in the red light

1474
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 1: from you guys and love it. But I was like

1475
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 1: so many questions about it. But I was like I

1476
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: need a professional because I you know, I can't communicate

1477
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 1: like you can. So it has been such a pleasure

1478
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: and appreciate and so cool that you came in person.

1479
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. Before we finished, though, there's just

1480
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: two questions that we ask every guess on the potty.

1481
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:59,879
Speaker 1: So could you tell us what is the best advice

1482
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: you've ever been given?

1483
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is I thought about the question. It was like, oh,

1484
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 3: this is.

1485
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: Really hard because you got to find a good answer.

1486
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 3: We've been given so much advice. But I told you

1487
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,600
Speaker 3: before we did the podcast about the seminar that I

1488
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 3: just didn't money and like I I've been a hustler

1489
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 3: for quite a number of years, right work tel and

1490
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 3: you know there was one there was actually two things.

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Speaker 3: One of them was hustled. Wisely, there was one of them. Okay,

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Speaker 3: well that sounds interesting. And the second one was add

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Speaker 3: value by doing more with less. That was one of

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Speaker 3: the sort of post it notes. It was written on

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Speaker 3: the worst like yeah, and just really try to hone

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Speaker 3: into that and sort of ask yourself whenever you sort

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Speaker 3: of at a cross way and you kind of got

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Speaker 3: to make a decisions, like you know, it doesn't actually

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Speaker 3: support me in doing that. To add value by doing

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Speaker 3: more with less?

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I love that.

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Speaker 3: And it's been mind boggling and it's really it's quite

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Speaker 3: a practice and takes quite a bit of discipline, I

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Speaker 3: think to really go through that thought process. But for me,

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Speaker 3: as someone who you know, I defined my thrifts through

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Speaker 3: hard work. I grew up you gotta work hard, you

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Speaker 3: go to work hard to be successful and whatnot. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to work hard. I want to work smart.

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Speaker 3: And to me, whenever you add value to something, it

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean that it needs to be hard work. In fact,

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Speaker 3: if it's hard work, it's probably not the right way.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that so much. And it's

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01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 1: funny because I went through a similar kind of thing

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Speaker 1: of when I had my daughter Ivy and you know,

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01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 1: you have so much less time, so with the less time,

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01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: you have to be so intentional. And I realized how

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01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: much time I was Like I thought I was like

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Speaker 1: hustling and I'm so busy and blah blah blah. But

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Speaker 1: it's like so many things that's like you're just doing

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01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 1: it to be busy. You're not actually doing it with

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Speaker 1: like intention And I think you know, having a child

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Speaker 1: where it's like you physically do not have the time

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Speaker 1: really takes a reevaluation of like is this actually adding

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Speaker 1: in you know, a big way, or am I just

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Speaker 1: like finding some task to do so a little bit different,

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Speaker 1: but that I love that so much. Hmm, I'll do it,

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Speaker 1: Mina Tilda And last question. So, something I talk about

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Speaker 1: on the show is core beliefs. So this is just

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Speaker 1: something that you know, for me, my core belief is

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01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: life happens for me. I've got it tattooed. It's a

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Speaker 1: big thing of like, you know, during time, so things

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Speaker 1: aren't going good and you know it doesn't feel good

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Speaker 1: and you think things aren't going to quote unquote plan,

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Speaker 1: I lock in the core belief of like no life

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Speaker 1: happens for me, So I'm going to keep going and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get through this. I would love to

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Speaker 1: know if you have a core belief.

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Speaker 3: In what it is, it's not just one belief. And

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Speaker 3: again I thought about it, and for some reason I said, like,

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Speaker 3: yesterday close to Byron and South Gordon, it is kind

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Speaker 3: of contemplating on this question, and a thought popped up

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Speaker 3: in my mind that was actually not a thought. It

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01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 3: was a reminder of an audiobook or a book i'd

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Speaker 3: read a couple of years ago, and it's called the

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Speaker 3: Four Agreement if you know that one.

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Speaker 1: I read it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great, and I listened to it last night again

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01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 3: I was like, ah, this is so good. So I

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01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 3: know it's not really the beliefs, but you know, it's

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Speaker 3: what I think. I think it's be impactable with your word.

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Speaker 3: Always do your best, don't take anything personally, and don't

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01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 3: assume and and I think what sits on top of

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01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 3: all of this to me, for some reason, is the

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Speaker 3: word integrity, you know, which to me is is do good,

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01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 3: is to be good, to do good, to see the good,

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01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 3: to act with kindness and not to be righteous. But

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01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 3: rather like really seeing integrity as kind of a compass

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Speaker 3: or a lighthouse to guide me through life, which I

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Speaker 3: think is similar to you because whenever life happens and

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01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 3: we're like man, like why why me? Like why to me?

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Speaker 3: Right now? I sort of tend to fall back on

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Speaker 3: this integrity thing and just keep going and just you.

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Speaker 1: Know, try to take it with grace.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because life is not it's not this kind of

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Speaker 3: flat line that just takes as a part, right, Like

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Speaker 3: it's it's a roller coaster. We don't often talk about it,

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Speaker 3: but so it kind of it's kind of similar to you.

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Speaker 3: But to me, I love that so much.

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Speaker 1: Like, Wow, my brother is actually reading that book right now,

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01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 1: so he comes on all the time and we chat

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Speaker 1: about it and he's like, oh, it's so good, So

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Speaker 1: that that's really cool. I love the integrity piece too,

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Speaker 1: and kind of like you know, going. I think it's

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Speaker 1: the second agreement of that book is like you know,

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Speaker 1: I always say the thing the thing of like your

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01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 1: word is law. So if you say you're going to

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Speaker 1: do something, you have to do it, even if it's

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Speaker 1: like to yourself, it's like you have to hold that standard.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's also like really cool.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the ultimate definition of integrity. Like when

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Speaker 3: it starts, it always starts with us. It always starts

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01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 3: with looking inward, and it's probably the hardest thing to

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01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 3: do because it's easy to.

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Speaker 1: Lay blame, blame someone else.

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Speaker 3: But I firmly believe it's the that's the past for

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Speaker 3: us and you manually. Ah.

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Speaker 1: I love that so much. Johannas, thank you so much

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01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:09,759
Speaker 1: coming on the show and sharing all your knowledge. Thank

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01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: you so much for listening to another episode of the

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01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:21,880
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