1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Matt Zukowski 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: claims he's been blindsided as Tammy Hembro is spotted kissing 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: AFL star Bailey Smith, and a renowned psychic calls out 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: Georgie Stephenson. But first, Freely the Banana Girl is back, 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: and unlike we've seen her before, the infamous vegan YouTuber 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: who rose to internet fame in the twenty tens, has 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: announced she'll be creating more content for her almost eight 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: hundred thousand subscribers thanks to the help of AI. When 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: this dropped into my YouTube feed, I felt really uneasy 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: because it coincided with our deep dive on Freely. Fortunately, 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: the timing is just a coincidence, because she actually posted 14 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: the YouTube video the day before we dropped the first episode, 15 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: so I'm glad we're not behind her sudden interest in 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: posting more consistently. What do you think you you feel? 17 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: Inspurred her on almost Well. It's funny because after us 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: Shane Grimm and Deep Dive last year, Sharni actually messaged us, 19 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: saying that we inspired her to post again because it 20 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: made her feel really nostalgic and really love and that 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: was very cool. But I definitely don't want to be 22 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: responsible for Freely return more consistently to YouTube. Yeah, but 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: I mean she really never took a break as such 24 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: from social So since moving to the jungle eight years ago, 25 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: she's been sporadically posting on YouTube and Instagram. Yeah, so 26 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: a couple of videos here and there. But on the 27 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: thirtieth of July, she unveiled Virtual Freely, who she says 28 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: will help her create more content for YouTube. Let's listen 29 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: to what she said. 30 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: Hey, Frieg of all, meet Virtual Freely, my digital clone. 31 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: What you're looking at right now is still me, just 32 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: presented in a virtual way. This video is filmed here 33 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: in the jungle, and the voice you're hearing is my 34 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: actual voice. So why am I doing this? Because life 35 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: on the fruit farm can be full on and I 36 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: want to bring you more high quality videos and audio 37 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: without constantly setting up cameras live it's Mike and studio, 38 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: and I will still make some real videos, but using 39 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: this avatar means I can spend less time on production 40 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: and more time on what matters creating videos at a 41 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 2: sharper better researched and packed with information that can help 42 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 2: change your life. 43 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: Now, Amy, I've just shown you the video about five 44 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: minutes ago in prep for this episode, could you tell 45 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: it was AI? Well, to be honest, I had to 46 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: put my glasses on and it was only when I 47 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: put them on that I realized it was in fact AI. 48 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: It looks pretty bloody good. 49 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 50 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: Well, it seems like some of her viewers haven't even 51 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: picked up on that it's virtual freely because she put 52 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: this video out explaining that she's going to be using 53 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: AI twelve days ago. She's now posted three videos in 54 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: that space of time, which is a lot for her. 55 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 1: I just want one of these AI bots to put 56 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: on my zoom call. 57 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 58 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: I just thought how great it would be for podcasting, 59 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: because everyone's putting their podcasts out as a video and 60 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: it's a real bitch to actually have to get dressed up, 61 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: turn lights on. I can see where Freelly is coming from. 62 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: The production does take a long time. What has the 63 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: reaction been from her follower? Well, it's been mixed. So 64 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: someone wrote, Wow, you're the first creator I've seen do this. 65 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: I have no opinion about AI and our future, but 66 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: this AI clone is very fascinating in itself, which I 67 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: tend to agree with. Someone else wrote, so sorry to 68 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: see this from a spiritual woman who is supporting transhumanism. 69 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: Now Freely replied to that message, saying, stop trying to 70 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 1: make it something more than it is. I'm not here 71 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: auditioning for the role of a guru. I'm here to 72 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: get a message out. If using a digital clone helps 73 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: me post more often, that's called being efficient, not transhumanist. 74 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: It's still me. You're just seeing the message without me 75 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: juggling cameras and tripods in the jungle. I'm using the 76 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: tools available to share this message more consistently. Nothing more, 77 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: nothing less. A lot of people were also questioning Freely 78 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: on the environmental impact of AI, and she defended her 79 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: actions in a very lengthy comment. Essentially, she said that 80 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: common tasks like scrolling on social media, watching Netflix, driving, 81 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: and wearing makeup all use more energy than her AI video, 82 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: and ultimately it will save more than it spends. She 83 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: then of course turned the message back to push her 84 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: vegan agenda, saying, so when someone eats cooked food or 85 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: packet foods wants to complain about the footprint of AI videos. 86 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: That's like a person driving a diesel truck yelling at 87 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: a cyclist for polluting. I can see where people are 88 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: coming from because it's very mixed messaging. Freeley's pushing this 89 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: very organic life that she's living off the earth, but 90 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: then next minute She's created some fake II persona. Well, 91 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: there isn't a single vegan stance on AI at the moment. 92 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: I suppose that a lot of discussion has been around 93 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: the environmental impact. That doesn't really seem to align with 94 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: Freeley's lifestyle, does it. But even just from the sense 95 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: of being authentic, it doesn't seem very authentic to have 96 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: an AI bot created on you. Wouldn't it be better 97 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: that she just went back to basics with her filming 98 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: and started using a basic vlog camera rather than all 99 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: the lighting and the tripods and yeah, and it didn't 100 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: even seem like she actually voiced it. She said, oh, 101 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, this is my real voice. But I think 102 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: she's just writing a script into the whatever program that 103 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: she is using. Next, that's going to be rumors that 104 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: she's died, like Drember, those Avril Levigne rumors that there's 105 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: a fake I was thinking about that and the whole 106 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: Britney Spears clone rumor as well. I want a lot 107 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: technology she's using and how much actually costs. If I 108 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: was a fan of Freely, this would totally put me 109 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: off from watching her because I want to see a 110 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: real person. Yeah, but I think the people that are 111 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 1: still following Freely are the hardcore vegans that are interested 112 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: in the research that she is doing into veganism, So 113 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,239 Speaker 1: it does make sense for her to spend her time 114 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: researching and putting her theories together rather than looking pretty 115 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: on the camera. 116 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: Now. 117 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: It's interesting because Freely is the first human influencer I've 118 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: seen implement this type of AI strategy. But AI is 119 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: already really infiltrating the influencer world in an unexpected way. 120 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: I mean last month, Amy, we spoke on our subscription 121 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: channel Outspoken plus about influencer mir Zulu. So she has 122 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty seven thousand followers and went viral 123 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: last month after posting photos at Wimbledon. However, it was 124 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: not all that it seemed. Many people were shocked to 125 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,799 Speaker 1: discover that the very esthetically pleasing photos of the stunning 126 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: woman were actually AI generated. She popped up on my 127 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: Facebook feed and I was like, oh my gosh, that 128 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: woman is stunning. I was thinking the tennis players must 129 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: be all trying to date her because it shots for 130 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: at Wimbledon. Who I read the headline, I was like, 131 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, she's not even real. Well, it seems 132 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: like she has actually tricked a few sportsmen. There's a 133 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: few famous cricketers that have been commenting on her posts. 134 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: If you go on Me's Instagram account, in the bio 135 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: clearly states that she is an AI influencer and a 136 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: digital storyteller. But really, when you're scrolling your feed and 137 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: you see a photo pop up, you're not really going 138 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: to go check to see if the woman's real or 139 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: AI are you? So a lot of people are getting tricked. 140 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: The crazy thing is that most of MEA's feed posts 141 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: are photos of herself, but she's actually started posting videos 142 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: as well. Are just really freaky. I haven't seen the 143 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: videos yet, I mean very realistic, like they would trick 144 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: some people. Well, she's also got a sister called Anna Zulu, 145 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: and her virtual sister's Instagram account is actually more popular 146 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: than her own. It has two hundred and sixty six 147 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: thousand followers. She's a brunette. She's also very stunning. The 148 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: real person behind these accounts, though, remains anonymous. Interestingly, they 149 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: provide an email address for collaborations, so I don't know 150 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: if they're actually branded collaborations or collaborations for the AI 151 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: technology that they're using. What's about it's some guy behind us. Definitely, 152 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: the person that is behind this could not look any 153 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: more dissimilar to Miyazulu. I bet this is the bullshit thing. 154 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: We've got, these men now stealing away female influences, earning 155 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: capacity like creating these fake people. I mean, this just 156 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: says a lot about where our society is at. The 157 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: fact that people have mistaken Miyazulu just proves how much 158 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: our eyes are conditioned to see these very hyper polished 159 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: people on social media or the filters. We can't actually 160 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: determine whether the person is real or not. And this 161 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: new existence of AI influencers is sparking a lot of 162 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: conversations about authenticity, emotional influence, and how we interact with 163 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: digital personas online. And it shows that we very much 164 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: need clear labeling for AI generated contex because people don't 165 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: know the difference I'm your mom and before you were conceived. 166 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,239 Speaker 2: I was absolutely sure that you were a boy and then. 167 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: Reconceived, and since I've been pregnant, I think it's a girl. 168 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: Before we get into the next topic, we want to 169 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: issue a trigger warning as we do talk about traumatic births. 170 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: A renowned psyekick has called out Georgie Stevenson, claiming the 171 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: wellness entrepreneur hasn't delivered on a contra deal. Psyekik Fonteini 172 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: performed a fertility cleansing on Georgie right before her successful 173 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: embryo transfer late last year. Followers were shocked by the 174 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: timing of the callout, with Georgie only just giving birth 175 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: to her daughter, Lacey a month ago after a traumatic birth. 176 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: Lacey was born six weeks early via an emergency c 177 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: section after Georgie's placenta hemorrhaged. Now, before we get into it, Kate, 178 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: who is psychic Fontini, Well, she's made a name for 179 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,599 Speaker 1: herself as being a bit of a psychic to the influencers. 180 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: So she has over sixty thousand Instagram followers and has 181 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: worked with countless Australian influences. In fact, the work she 182 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: does with influencers is a big part of her marketing strategy, 183 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: so she promotes her success stories with influencers across her 184 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 1: Instagram feed and also in her Instagram highlights. Her clients 185 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: have included Beck Judd, Martha Califatitis, Kira Rumble, Kayla and 186 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:24,479 Speaker 1: Leah Asinas, Sharon Rville, Ellie Gonzaleve's Brook Blurton, and Olivia Meskitz, 187 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: just to name a few. Yeah, is there anyone she 188 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: hasn't dealt with in the Australia influencer world? I couldn't 189 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: believe all of them. So back in twenty twenty, both 190 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: Beck Judd and Martha Califatitis shared that Fontini had cleansed 191 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: their homes of negative energy. Oh gosh, you'll be hearing 192 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: from Tammy hen Brunex I know well. Martha revealed that 193 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: she would no longer be filming a planned house to 194 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: it because Fontini told her that it was bad luck 195 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: to let people's eyes and energy into her home. And 196 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: more recently, Fontini has made a name for herself as 197 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: the Instagram queen of pregnancy cleanses and predictions. So in 198 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, she announced that she helped Wiggle star 199 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: Katerina Metti for Pregnant with Twins so the forty three 200 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: year old Wiggle had a fertility cleansing with Fontini before 201 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: undergoing a successful embryo transfer. This is just reminding me 202 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: of my wedding celebrant who said that she had had 203 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: I think it was a seventy percent success rate with 204 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: her couples having twins. Yeah, well you didn't have them, 205 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: so you've starts there. Well, it seems like Fontini's marketing 206 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: clearly works because her sly kit card readings are booked 207 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 1: up until January twenty twenty seven. She currently, though, has 208 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: cleansing spots available. I think the fertility cleanses are a 209 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: lot less time consuming for Fontini because basically all the 210 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: communication is done via SMS. So you text her and say, hey, 211 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: I want a fertility cleansing, and she writes your name 212 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: down on a piece of paper and the date, and 213 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: then she gets this thing that kind of looks like 214 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: a Genie lamp that you can light up and she 215 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 1: burns that. I mean, I'm sure there's a lot more 216 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: to it. Section needs her an AI bot like freely 217 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: what to handle all the sms's, Yeah, well, I don't know. 218 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: Just send a little video of her doing and least 219 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: that would take a lot out of the experience. I 220 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: think yeah. 221 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 2: Now. 222 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: Last week, Fontini shared a screenshot of a private message 223 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: thread between her and Georgie. So on the fourth of September, 224 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: Georgie messaged Fontini saying she wanted to book in a reading. 225 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: There was no response from Forteini, but a follow up 226 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: message from Georgie on the twenty second of October asking 227 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: if her clearings were done now. Fontini replied saying she 228 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: would call Georgie now. Fontini went on to share a 229 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: follow up conversation between her and Georgie, but the dates 230 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: weren't visible. In those messages. The pair discussed whether the 231 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: exchange would be contra or paid, and Georgie wrote, I'm 232 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: happy with either what feels best for you. I would 233 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: happily post and even love to have you on my 234 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: podcast if you're interested dream guests on my podcast Now. 235 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: Georgie added that she would also like a womb clearing 236 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: if possible. Fontini then went on to share proof of 237 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: her doing the cleansing. So in the photos there's a 238 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: piece of notepaper with Georgie's name and the date which 239 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: read the eighteenth October. Along with that, Genie lamp I 240 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: was talking about. I'm sure it's a much more professional name. 241 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 242 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: The Fontini then went on to share screenshots from Georgie's 243 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: Instagram stories that she had posted that day. One of 244 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: the photos was of Georgie crying holding her newborn, with 245 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 1: the caption not me crying, thinking how insanely blessed I 246 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: am with this little cherub. And another was just a 247 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: photo of Georgie's daughter stretching out on her changing table, 248 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: with Georgie providing an update about her weight now, Fontini 249 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: caption this carousel of post, Hi, let me teach you 250 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: something about taking your power back, especially with the lions 251 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: Gate malarkey. It's one thing to help and get the result, 252 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: and it's one thing to say you will do something 253 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: when you don't. My final words on this fertility cleansing 254 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: that I did is don't mess with this line, especially 255 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: a Greek one. She then wrote in Greek kisses from 256 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: the Homeland. It's interesting because Martha Califatitis liked the post, 257 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: and when you look at the comments, there was a 258 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: lot of support for Fontini, but there were messages in 259 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: our Facebook group about this, saying that they were writing 260 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: supportive messages for Georgie which were getting deleted. I actually 261 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: saw a few of them removed as well. When I 262 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: first saw this, I thought, is this woman actually for real? 263 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: Georgie Stephenson has just gone through an extremely traumatic birth, 264 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,599 Speaker 1: she only just recently got her daughter home from hospital, 265 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: and we're posting this shit basically because you're having a 266 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: hissy fit that you haven't been endorsed as this natural cleanser. Obviously, 267 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: she wanted to get some publicity around the fact that 268 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: Georgie had fallen pregnant after her fertility struggle. I was 269 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: pretty shocked by the timing of this call out, particularly 270 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 1: because Georgie has been very open about the fact that 271 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: she's had a tough journey to conceive her second child. 272 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: So after announcing her pregnancy news, she shared this very 273 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: raw YouTube video, which was a compilation of video updates 274 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: from her last twelve months of trying to conceive, and 275 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: during those video updates, Georgie spoke about the shock when 276 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: she was told by a doctor after her first round 277 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: of IVF, just before they were about to transfer the embryos, 278 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: that due to human error, all the embryos had died. 279 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: This was just so difficult to watch yes, so she's 280 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: been through really rough time conceiving. I mean, Fontini has 281 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: already been using Georgie for promotion across her own page, 282 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: so she's posted grid posts claiming that Georgie's pregnancy is 283 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: down to her. She also posted photos from her baby announcement, 284 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: her gender reveal, and also Georgie's baby shower. And I mean, 285 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: if the whole big deal is that Georgie hasn't had 286 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: her on a podcast yet, give the woman a break. 287 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: She's literally just given birth to a premature baby and 288 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: been at the hospital all day, all night. Well here's 289 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: one way not to get on her podcast. Yeah. I 290 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: was also surprised considering that Fontini has so many influencer 291 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: clients that she would want to call someone out like this, 292 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: because if I was an influence, I'd be like, oh, 293 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd want to do a deal 294 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: with her. Bailey Mate, how does it feel being a 295 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: thirst trap for every young woman in Australia? Next question? 296 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro has been spotted kissing AFL star Bailey Smith 297 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: seven weeks after announcing her divorce from Matt Sakowski. The 298 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: new couple were perhaped, leaving a restaurant on the Gold 299 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: Coast together on Saturday night. It's also been reported they 300 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: were seen out together a week earlier, holding hands and 301 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: kissing for hours. Now influencer watchdog account influencer updates Au 302 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: was first to break the news of the potential coupling 303 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: over the weekend. They shared screenshots from anonymous sources revealing 304 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: they'd spotted the couple out, and mainstream media jumped on 305 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: board this story on Monday. So the combination of an 306 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: AFL star and Australia's biggest influencer means this jostling of 307 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: mainstream media and gossip sites trying to get the scoop. 308 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: So we saw the Daily Mail run pap shots, while 309 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: The Herald Sun managed to get a quote from Matt Sakowski. Now, 310 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: Matt Sakowski claims he was blindsided by the news. He 311 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: told the Herald Son we only broke up eight weeks ago. 312 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: I just don't understand how someone can move on so quickly. 313 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: It's been forty eight days and I'm still trying to 314 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: work out how I feel as a person after committing 315 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: in marriage to someone. I'm trying to focus on myself 316 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: and heal. It's pretty ironic that Matt spoke to media 317 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: about this, because just last week on his podcast, he 318 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: did an episode about the thirty things He's learned since 319 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: turning thirty, and one of the lessons he made a 320 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: really big point about was that there is power in 321 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: staying silent. It's also pretty erotic that Matt's saying that 322 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: Tammy is the one that's moved on quickly, because he 323 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: was spotted out drinking with sports journalist Taylor Little a 324 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: day before Tammy announced the divorce. I mean, not to 325 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: mention he was also caught out texting a woman while 326 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: they were still together. Yeah, and also that he's claiming 327 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: they've only been broken up for forty eight days. I mean, 328 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: they've been living in different states for months now, so 329 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: it's clear that this breakup happened a long time before 330 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: the announcement. And I think he's really trying to send 331 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: to himself as the victim in this whole thing and 332 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: giving quotes to the media. It's like, are you just 333 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: trying to get more and more attention from this and 334 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: write on her coattails. The whole thing is you could 335 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: read it two different ways. You could go, oh, wow, 336 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: that's really rough of Tammy. To move on so quickly 337 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: after this marriage, or you could go, is she moving 338 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: on so quickly because she was fucked over by ma 339 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: I think it's a very bold statement from Tammy and 340 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: is off the back of a series of very calculus 341 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: moves from her. Because last week we were discussing how 342 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: she baited her followers with a Reese Hawkins reunion and 343 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: now she's been papped on a date with Australia's most 344 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: eligible bachelor. That's just, honestly the story that keeps giving 345 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: and giving. It is, I mean funny enough. Bailey Smith 346 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: is Tinder's latest ambassador. I wonder how they're feeling about 347 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: this match, because, let's face it, they did not meet 348 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: on Tinder potentially Raya. But I'm thinking it's another sneaky 349 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: DM slide. Well, Tinder got Bailey Smith on board because 350 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: he is a big gen Z heartthroap. I wonder if 351 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: this means that they're all now going to turn on 352 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: Tammy because everyone's gonna be jealous. I mean, I think 353 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: there'll be a level of jealousy, but then there's also 354 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people going, oh, I get it, like 355 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: I get why you've moved on so quickly, Like he's hot. 356 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: It's funny. So many people are saying they look like 357 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: brother and sister, and I was like, I cannot see 358 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: it now, they look very similar. People are also discussing 359 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 1: the age gap, so Bailey is twenty four and Tammy 360 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: is thirty one. I personally see nothing wrong with this. 361 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's clearly a rebound, and what a hot rebound. Yeah, 362 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: but everyone thought Matsakowski was a rebound as well, so 363 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: I think if people don't really care about the age, 364 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: I think it's more the fact that Tummy has three 365 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: kids and seems to be moving on quite quickly, because 366 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: she does fall in love very quickly, as we saw 367 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,479 Speaker 1: with Matt Sakowski. But from what I know about Bailey Smith, 368 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: I'm surprised we haven't thought about this pairing before because 369 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: they actually seem quite well connected. Amy come on, This 370 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: latest publicity stunt just proves to me that Tummy is 371 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: out for revenge on Matsakowski. She's not over Matt. She 372 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: wants to hit him where it hurts, particularly because Matt 373 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: is a Melbourne boy and he's a big AFL fan. 374 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: He's actually the one that introduced Tummy to AFL. So 375 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: when they were together. They went to a lot of 376 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: the Gold Coast Sons games. And what makes this all 377 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: even juici here is the fact that Matt posted at 378 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: Friday night's game. So Bailey Smith's team, Geelong took on 379 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: Matt's favorite team, Essendon and to add insult to injury, 380 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: Geelong whipped Essendon. Matt posted a photo of him in 381 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: his Essendon gear at the game and wrote Essendon lost, 382 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: but I'm still smiling because happiness is a choice, not 383 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: a destination. Kind of reminds me of when Andy Lee 384 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: and Megan Gale we're dating about ten years ago, and 385 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: his favorite team of Carlton, and then she ended up 386 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: dating one of Carlton's really good looking players. It's a 387 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: great power move. Hm. It's pretty funny because media were 388 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: waiting at the airport for Bailey Smith to return from 389 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: the Gold Coast and he flew back home on Sunday 390 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: and a pap did their job. They managed to really 391 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: annoy Bailey Smith. Let's throw to that exchange at the airport. 392 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: So what's the story with you and Tammy Hembrow? Can 393 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: you tell us it's Hembro not Hero hem Brow. With 394 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: Hembro Hembro, you guys have know him or what him? 395 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 2: Or what. 396 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: We saw you over the weekend kissing and canoeing at 397 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: a restaurant on the Gold Coast and they're leaving arm 398 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: in arm, hand in hand. What can you tell us 399 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: you're going? Man? Was having you want to tell us? 400 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 2: Having anyone? Tell us Bailey, you guys serious or that's 401 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 2: a long team thing? 402 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: Or do you think you're jealous? I wish you guys 403 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: all the best though. I actually love that this was 404 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: Bailey Smith's response because I can't stand when people say 405 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: hembrow either. Yeah, and at least he knows how to 406 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: say Tammy's name properly. It reminds me of when Bailey 407 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: gave the finger to some Crow supporters during gather Round 408 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: and all the journals were chasing him around trying to 409 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: get comment about that. Well, he gave the bird to 410 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: the paparazzi on the date with Tammy Hamber as well, 411 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: so it seems to be his signature move. He's known 412 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,239 Speaker 1: in the media for being very open, because normally all 413 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: of the footballers are very media trained, but he has 414 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: been giving all these really funny one liners. He's actually 415 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: been praised for bringing a bit of personality back to 416 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: the sport, Well, he gave a lot of personality that 417 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: Pap on Sunday calling him an fing c Well, think 418 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: about all these poor genzettas though, that have signed up 419 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: to Tinder with the hope of actually just having him 420 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: come across their feed, and now this Tinder probably in 421 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: crisis talks at the main like fuck sake, and Ray 422 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: is probably like, oh, maybe we should poach him. If 423 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: I was Tinder, I'd just be pushing the narrative that 424 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: that's where they met that Tammy Hembro is also on Tinder. Well, 425 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: that is where we're going to leave things today. I'm 426 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: very excited because on Friday we're back with our regular 427 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: episode and I think there's proably gonna be a lot 428 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: to talk about. Yeah, well, Tammy Hembro keeps delivering it. 429 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: If you want to hear more from us. We also 430 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: release a subs episode every week and that's only four 431 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: ninety nine a month to sign up. Sound like such 432 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: a salesperson, So that episode is basically an extension of 433 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: our regular shows. We just talk more about influencers on there. 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