1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line is the Independent member 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: for Goiter Kesier Puric. Good morning to you, Keasier. 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, Katie Kezier. 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: Lot's happening around the place this morning? 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 2: Oh definitely. 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: You know, we've spoken a lot about the fact that 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: thousands of people obviously converged on Parliament House on the 8 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: weekend to rally against the issues that we're seeing with crime. 9 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: What do you make of the fact that Territorians are 10 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: turning out in droves right now to try and have 11 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: their voices heard by the government. 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: Katie. When you have a company or in an association 13 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: and you hold your annual general meeting, if things are 14 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 2: going pretty okay and no one's got any issues, then 15 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: hardly anyone turns up. It's like they come to how 16 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: things are going. When there's a problem, everyone turns up 17 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: to the AGM to voice their concerns, either pack the 18 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: board or whatever. That's very similar to what's happening now 19 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: and has happened on the weekend on Saturday. If community 20 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: and people are fairly comfortable with the government, they just 21 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: go about their business. But when they are really concerned 22 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: have a real issue with the government, and all their policies, 23 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: they will come out and protest. And that's exactly what 24 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: you saw on Saturday. Thousands of people took the time out. 25 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: Some people even close their businesses I knows in my 26 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: area to come into the rally. So they took time 27 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 2: out of their schedules. They're prepared to forego business just 28 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 2: to sow their support published for Decklan and his family, 29 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: but to send a strong message to government. Now, if 30 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: Natasha Philes and the Labor government doesn't take anything away 31 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: from that meeting, will more for them come August next 32 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 2: year at the general election, because they. 33 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: Will lose Kizia. From your understanding, and we spoke to 34 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: the opposition leader a little bit earlier this morning about 35 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: what is planned in Parliament this week. But from your understanding, 36 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: is there anything happening on any kind of urgency in 37 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: parliament this week from the government's perspective around the situation with. 38 00:01:54,800 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: Crime, No, not at all, particularly not today, not tomorrow. Today. 39 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: I think Leah said we've got a Care and Protection 40 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: Bill to amend that legislation. Then we're going back to 41 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: a statement that was in the last sitting building a 42 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: better territory. Well, I've written my speech, but I keep 43 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: adjusting it because I haven't had my chance yet. I 44 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: keep adjusting it because if they're going to build a 45 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: better territory, they're going to have to do something pretty 46 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: fast and pretty thorough in regards to the level of 47 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: crime in our community across all of the Northern Territory. 48 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: So I know that Mike Boyula and then the MULCA 49 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: has got a matter of public importance. It's associated with 50 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: crime and lawlessness and how to get a better outcome 51 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: from rehabilitating young offenders. I heard that Lee wanted to 52 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: do MPI. The best that she can do now is 53 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: probably do it on the Thursday. And again it's focusing 54 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 2: around bail. But no, there's nothing from government. There's no 55 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: the legislation and ergency that I've said. They're reviewing the 56 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: bail laws will woohoo, and the police are going to 57 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: get more resources and you know that's good. And you know, Katie, 58 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: the fact that that the government continually says, you know, 59 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 2: we're putting mots and lots of money into policing, Well 60 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: that's not necess surely a good thing. That means we've 61 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: got a serious problem on our hands. 62 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:03,839 Speaker 1: Now. 63 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: I think you've mentioned it a nice mention it too. 64 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: We have the highest percentage in the country of police 65 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: per population. Now I wouldn't be proud of that. I'd 66 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: say that's a sad indictment on our community. I mean, 67 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: good that we need these police and good that police 68 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 2: are there to protect all of us, but it's not 69 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: been something i'd blote about. I'd say, you know, look, 70 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 2: the fact that we need these police is demonstrates that 71 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: we've got a serious problem within our community. 72 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: Now, speaking of those police numbers, we know that Kate 73 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: Warden was on the show on Friday and during the 74 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: week that was she said that there would be a 75 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: review of police numbers, that it is going to be 76 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: independent and it's going to happen before the next Northern 77 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: Territory election. Kizia, Is that enough from your perspective? 78 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: No, it's not enough, Katie. Yes, it's comforting to hear 79 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: the policemanister say it'll be an independent review and I 80 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: take from that an independent or person outside of the 81 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: police force, outside of the anti public service, who has 82 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: the expertise and experience behind them to come in and 83 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 2: review our policing. Not just for numbers. They should be 84 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: reviewing everything associated with policing and numbers. That is the culture, 85 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: and in Bracket's toxic culture, the attrition rate, that there's 86 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 2: satisfaction with police, the lack of resourcing, the lack of 87 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 2: funding into remote policing, even though the anti gament's talking 88 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: with a common work in that regard. So it shouldn't 89 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: just be a really narrow review because otherwise you'll only 90 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: get the results that you tell the consultants you want. 91 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: I asked the minister on radio last Friday, do you 92 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: have an indication of how much this is going to cost? 93 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: Because if you get an outside person, a private citizen, 94 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: well they're obviously going to cost money. And I think 95 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: the fact that they're going to do a review before 96 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: election next year. Hello, that's nearly twelve sixty eighteen months away, 97 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: which is a lot time. I've never heard of a 98 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 2: review taking that long. Even a parliamentary review can be 99 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: done in six months, you know. So it's fine to 100 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 2: say we're doing it. We're doing it, so don't worry 101 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: with anymore. The review needs to be pulled up within 102 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 2: a six month time. I reckon get on with it. 103 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: This eminently qualified people out there in this country who 104 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: could assist. But the other thing Katie is in undertaking. 105 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: To do this review. The government has to accept the 106 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: recommendations that the review comes up with, because the last 107 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: two O'Sullivan views into policing they didn't they didn't accept 108 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 2: all the recommendations and they certainly didn't implement them what 109 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: they did say they were going to implement. So enough 110 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: enough are those reviews for people listening about ten years ago. 111 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 2: So if they're going to do the disview, get on 112 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: with business. Do the review, find a personal persons to 113 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: do the review and start now. Don't have it an 114 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 2: internal review. As I've said before, you'll get the outcomes 115 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: that you want if you just do it internally. Flightlesses 116 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: your own naval type of thing. So I say, get 117 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 2: on with it, commit the funding, find someone and then 118 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 2: just start talking to police and other stakeholders involved in 119 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: the whole policing sort of area. 120 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: TC. Can I ask just on another very different topic, 121 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: we're hearing it the public galleries are closed in Parliament 122 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: while while sittings are underway. Last week we'd heard whispers 123 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: of that do you want to I mean in your 124 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: role obviously as a former Speaker of the Northern Territories. 125 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: So they just sort of assembly. What is your understanding? 126 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: Are they closed? 127 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: Well, it's a bit difficult to know because I know 128 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: here the opposition leader did ask to speak and he 129 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: said in the chamber and he said, no, the galleries 130 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: are open. But when I went up to speak to 131 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 2: go into the open face galleries, I couldn't. The gallery 132 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: which has the school children in with the glass at 133 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: the front, that's open. But it's not a big deal. 134 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: It's the galleries have to be shut. The galies have 135 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: to be shut. And when I can't recall the existence, 136 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: but it was some I think it might be industrial 137 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: dispute or something to do with some union. We did 138 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: take the steps of closing the galleries, but I just 139 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: sent a no doubt to all members saying you have 140 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: the galowes are being closed. You know, we're just taking 141 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 2: downe our own risk assessment. We believe it's for the 142 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: safety of members and anyone else in the gallery, so 143 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: that Dallas will be closed for this time. Also in 144 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: the past have to clear the gallery when I think 145 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: there were some people have been are you four at 146 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,119 Speaker 2: six abortion drug? You know I've been disrespectful to members 147 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: and I said leave the gallery. So the speaker can 148 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: get people booted out of the gallery. So if the 149 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: galleries are closed, that's fine, but just let all members 150 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: know so we can tell family or friends or anyone. 151 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: You know. 152 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: Luck, everyone from mootes come in and have a look 153 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: at Parliament. But you know they might want to sit 154 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: in the open galleries because you get a better field 155 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: behind the glass. So I don't know. Okay, there's mixed messages, 156 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: so perps some might clarify that with the Speaker myself. Yeah, 157 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: closed within this week or was it just a one 158 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: off last week? 159 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: Well, let us know, let us know what you're here. Hey, 160 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: before I let you go, just a very quick one. 161 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: There's been a lot of interaction with our listeners this 162 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: morning about the fact that the Attorney General Chancey Paik 163 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: was in New South Wales on the weekend and appearing 164 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: to campaign for the Labor Party throughout the New South 165 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: Wales election, or certainly posing for photos with Linda Bernie. 166 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: What do you make of this? I think it's appropriate 167 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: when you consider what's going on in the Northern Territory 168 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: over the last week. 169 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: Well, you know, someone raised the issue about Scott Marrison 170 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: going on a holiday to the Pacific somewhere. Everyone's entitled 171 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: to have leave or to do whatever they think it 172 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 2: is appropriate for the time in their lives. But it's 173 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: not the look. It's the look that people take up on. 174 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: It's like, clearly he can go down and help in 175 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: New South Wales labor people, and he go anywhere for 176 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: that matter, as I'm sure probably some other people from 177 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: the churchy went and helped in New South Wale election. 178 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 2: But it's the look, particularly given here's the Interney general. 179 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 2: We've got issues with crime and law and order across 180 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: the board. And as I understand it's not his fault 181 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: that was Bushbise of course, but you know things within 182 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: his own community, so you think every weekend would be 183 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 2: precious to defend in his own town to help allay 184 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: the fears and concerns of residence. So nothing wrong with 185 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: doing okay, But it's the choice and the timing that 186 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 2: that hasn't pleased listeners because they expect, particularly in tough times, 187 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: you look to your leaders. You look to your leaders 188 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: for guidance, you look to your leaders for direction, and 189 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: it's one of your leaders is not here, then of 190 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: course people are going to get cranky. 191 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Kesier puric. We always appreciate your time. I've 192 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: got a message here. Gotta love Kezier telling it like 193 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: it is. What a bloody legend. We need more of 194 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: her unless blah blah, still not Keasi as mum. 195 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: I was going to say, damn, my mom's on the 196 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 2: phone again. I took it away from it for a week. 197 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: You got put in the naughty corner, Katie. 198 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: Keezier, thank you for your time. 199 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: As always, we'll talk to you soon.