Speaker 1: Are you ready?
Speaker 2: Good pickup with Britt Hogley and Laura Burn.
Speaker 3: Baby, are worth our windows done?
Speaker 1: My worlds in the dust? Only good, bab dug all.
Speaker 4: I don't much, but yeah, I'll big get and what
Speaker 4: I want.
Speaker 5: It don't matter where.
Speaker 2: This is the pick up, Hi, guys, it's the pick
Speaker 2: up with Brett Harckley and Laura Bird.
Speaker 1: Happy Friday.
Speaker 5: I always get that extra kick on a Friday. You
Speaker 5: know when you feel like.
Speaker 4: You're close to the finish line, that's because you're leaving
Speaker 4: here to go on a boat.
Speaker 1: It's true, we are producer. Grace is coming with me.
Speaker 2: I was also luckily invited, but I had had much
Speaker 2: more important plans.
Speaker 1: I got a date at the RSL Club, Grace and
Speaker 1: higher on the boat.
Speaker 5: We're going around the harbor.
Speaker 1: We've got a couple of friends. It's going to be
Speaker 1: really nice.
Speaker 5: But Laura's like, I'm sorry, I'm busy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is too busy for the boat? She's
Speaker 1: like the local Ari, I've got dinner with the family
Speaker 1: and the kids. Can't let them down. Babe, you don't
Speaker 1: do the raffle?
Speaker 5: Aren't you? You love an RSL raffle? Yes?
Speaker 2: I am. I can't give up the chance to win
Speaker 2: myself from meat raffle. It is actually my favorite thing.
Speaker 2: Winning a meat raffle is so deeply satisfying. I love it,
Speaker 2: and I buy an obscene amount of raffle tickets that
Speaker 2: they could have just gone and bought a meat tray.
Speaker 1: You got to be in it to win it, don't.
Speaker 1: They say that's.
Speaker 5: How they make their money because they bank on people
Speaker 5: like you. Wis the adrenaline? What if am I going
Speaker 5: to win? Pull my number on the LG OFC.
Speaker 4: God.
Speaker 2: I really hope Laura doesn't go on that boat party
Speaker 2: and she comes to the RSL tonight.
Speaker 1: Who's gonna buy raffles? Your single handedly keeping the local aflow?
Speaker 2: I absolutely love it. Well, I'm doing my beer anyway.
Speaker 2: We've got a very big show for you guys today.
Speaker 2: Also a bit of an important discussion Jamila jimil You
Speaker 2: guys might know who she is.
Speaker 1: She's a very famous actress.
Speaker 2: She's just recently come out with a bit of a
Speaker 2: bombshell around why she doesn't want to be a mum
Speaker 2: and it's a you know, it's a really I think,
Speaker 2: a very interesting take and it's something we don't hear
Speaker 2: very often from women who have way more choice these
Speaker 2: days about whether they want to be at the RSL
Speaker 2: club with their kids or not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really loved it. Maybe you don't want kids,
Speaker 5: you want to be on a boat. Who know, are
Speaker 5: you Laura or Brittany?
Speaker 2: Now something I wanted to talk about, and I know
Speaker 2: you have some feelings about it too.
Speaker 1: Brit Jamila Jamil.
Speaker 2: If you don't know who she is, she was once
Speaker 2: upon a time a DJ, a TV presenter, and she's
Speaker 2: also an actress who was in that TV show The
Speaker 2: Good Place.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she actually blew up.
Speaker 4: Now she's a big advocate for like a lot of
Speaker 4: different issues around but she's like.
Speaker 1: She's an advocate for she's one of those nor she's
Speaker 1: one of those people that doesn't really have.
Speaker 5: A role anymore. She does everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's she's also a very big voice in a
Speaker 2: sort of feminist movement. So she's recently come out and
Speaker 2: spoken about whether or not she does or doesn't want
Speaker 2: to have children. Now spoiler, she doesn't want to have kids,
Speaker 2: and she's made that decision of her own accord, not
Speaker 2: because she can't and not because she's unwilling. She just
Speaker 2: really has arrived at the destination where she's realized that
Speaker 2: being a mum isn't for her.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really.
Speaker 4: Loved it because I feel like when this conversation does happen,
Speaker 4: which it's becoming more frequent, but it's still not the
Speaker 4: societal norm. But and it does happen, there's usually a
Speaker 4: bit of bum fluff either side, like people want to
Speaker 4: soften it, they feel like they need to really explain
Speaker 4: themselves why, and like compliment sandwich.
Speaker 5: But she just really owned it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to read to you what she had
Speaker 2: to say, And there's a little bit to this. She wrote,
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit about marriage, and I don't
Speaker 2: want children.
Speaker 1: I just really really don't.
Speaker 2: I think one of the best decisions I've ever made
Speaker 2: is to not become a mother.
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd be bad at it. I just
Speaker 1: don't want to do it.
Speaker 5: I actually love it so much.
Speaker 2: I'm beyond not compelled. I have absolutely no interest. I'm
Speaker 2: about as interested in that as I am rock climbing,
Speaker 2: and I think they both sound really hard and dangerous.
Speaker 2: But she goes on to say how I think it's
Speaker 2: better for society if I end my bloodline here and
Speaker 2: close all the doors behind me.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2: The reason why I quite enjoyed how absolutely unapologetic she is.
Speaker 2: And I say, this is someone who is a mum,
Speaker 2: and I love being a mum and I love the
Speaker 2: role at having my kid's life and what they mean
Speaker 2: to me. But I think a lot of times we
Speaker 2: look at women who have made the decision to you know,
Speaker 2: childless by choice, that decision, and we kind of think,
Speaker 2: you're going to change your mind, Like that's the fear mongering.
Speaker 1: That goes on for a lot of reddit. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: going to regret it. That's the fear mongering that goes
Speaker 1: on for a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Or on the flip side of that, like we paint
Speaker 2: this picture that if you don't want to have kids,
Speaker 2: that you must be an innately selfish person. And I
Speaker 2: I mean, we've had loads of conversations in our podcast
Speaker 2: Life Uncut about this, brit But there is such a
Speaker 2: powerful movement of women who have made the decision that
Speaker 2: they don't want to have kids, and they're not selfish,
Speaker 2: and they're not going to turn around and regret it.
Speaker 2: They just have agency to choose a life that they
Speaker 2: really want for themselves.
Speaker 5: I actually want to challenge that, Well.
Speaker 2: It's not surprising to me that motherhood isn't for everyone.
Speaker 2: It's really hard.
Speaker 6: I want to challenge that.
Speaker 4: I think that deciding not to have kids sometimes is
Speaker 4: completely selfish decision, But that doesn't mean it's bad.
Speaker 6: You can.
Speaker 4: Like, part of the reason that I've always been on
Speaker 4: the fence is, and I openly say, it's because I
Speaker 4: still feel selfish with my time. When you decide to
Speaker 4: have a you are giving up every second of your day.
Speaker 4: There is nothing wrong with that, but it is a
Speaker 4: big decision, and I often think, am I ready to
Speaker 4: give up my time to the level that I would
Speaker 4: need to to become a mother? Like that is a
Speaker 4: really big thing. But being selfish doesn't always have to
Speaker 4: have these negative connotations.
Speaker 1: But I see it on the flip side of that.
Speaker 2: I think if you have enough self awareness to know
Speaker 2: that you don't want to be a mum, that you
Speaker 2: wouldn't enjoy that role. I don't think it's selfish because
Speaker 2: what it means is is that you're not going to
Speaker 2: be in the position where you have to pretend and
Speaker 2: show up and you know, be sort of this support
Speaker 2: person for this tiny little human in a role that
Speaker 2: you actually resent and never wanted to do in the
Speaker 2: first place.
Speaker 1: You know what I.
Speaker 4: Really envy, and it's because I still now in this moment,
Speaker 4: I struggle with this so much. I am on this
Speaker 4: perpetually swinging pendulum between wanting kids and not wanting kids.
Speaker 4: I envy people that know either way, like Jamila does,
Speaker 4: like she's so adamant, and I wish I felt that
Speaker 4: same as people that know that all they've ever wanted
Speaker 4: to do is be a mum.
Speaker 5: I envy that.
Speaker 4: And my pendulum is constantly swinging, and I know I'm
Speaker 4: running out of time, and in my late thirties, I
Speaker 4: have eggs and embryos on ice. But I still need
Speaker 4: to actively make that decision. And it's really really hard
Speaker 4: to make because one day I wake up and I'm like,
Speaker 4: whilst I'm not ready, I absolutely can't imagine my life
Speaker 4: without that, Like I whilst I might not want it
Speaker 4: right now, when I look to my future, which is
Speaker 4: what I try to do all the time, I'm like, cool,
Speaker 4: you might not be ready now, think of your future.
Speaker 5: What do you see? What do you want?
Speaker 4: And I always try and visualize it. There's always a
Speaker 4: family in it. But I can't fathom having in the family.
Speaker 1: When I'm fifty, I'll be ready, but I'm just not.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's a really like it upsets me all
Speaker 6: the time.
Speaker 4: If you've been following my story or like the podcast
Speaker 4: or whatever, I always talk about this because I think
Speaker 4: it's really important. We talk about people that want kids,
Speaker 4: so we talk about the people that don't want kids.
Speaker 4: We often don't talk about the people that are stuck
Speaker 4: on the swing like I am. I don't know which
Speaker 4: stop to get off at.
Speaker 5: I'm on the.
Speaker 4: Bust around around about and I don't know where to
Speaker 4: get off, and that's what keeps me up at night
Speaker 4: is making the decision. I feel like I do need
Speaker 4: to just bite the bullet, But I just I really
Speaker 4: envy Jamila and how cash she can just say like, no,
Speaker 4: it's not for me.
Speaker 2: So well, I mean, this might be very serendipitous timing
Speaker 2: because you also are about to share a story about
Speaker 2: a pregnancy test and yodbye, so stick around.
Speaker 1: For that.
Speaker 5: If you're just joining us.
Speaker 4: We were just talking about Jamila Jamil not wanting kids,
Speaker 4: and we're talking about my swinging pendulum of if I
Speaker 4: want kids or not, because I'm constantly going between the
Speaker 4: two depends on the day of the week I wake
Speaker 4: up and how I'm feeling.
Speaker 1: It also depends on your ovulation.
Speaker 2: I reckon, I reckon when you're ovulating, not you specifically,
Speaker 2: but women in general. Whenever I'm ovulating, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: third baby, And then after it, I'm like, no.
Speaker 1: Well that's a terrible idea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you fluctuate more than me every day, but every
Speaker 4: week you've already got two kids.
Speaker 2: Put it on record here, I do want a third
Speaker 2: so when that happens, guys, don't be shocked.
Speaker 5: Oh it feels weird talking about my sex life to
Speaker 5: you guys, But.
Speaker 1: Why you do it all the time anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but know what I'm about to say, because I
Speaker 4: haven't really said this.
Speaker 5: Actually, I don't really been really inteted on the podcast.
Speaker 4: Whilst I'm confused about wanting children, my fertility, if you
Speaker 4: haven't followed along, my fertility is really bad.
Speaker 6: So I have embryos and I have eggs on eyes.
Speaker 4: And it looks like I'm going to have to do
Speaker 4: IVF if that works. So I say that because Ben
Speaker 4: and I have been trying and I've never really said
Speaker 4: that out loud, and it's hard to say I've been trying,
Speaker 4: when I also in the same sentence say I don't
Speaker 4: know if I want it to work, like it's a
Speaker 4: very because I do know I want it to work.
Speaker 5: And the reason I know this is sounding.
Speaker 4: Convoluted, so because I know that really like one day
Speaker 4: that I know that I want the child, and because
Speaker 4: I know it's going to be so hard, of course,
Speaker 4: I wanted to do it naturally and not go through IVF.
Speaker 4: I'm yeah, thirty eight this year, so we're sort of like, look,
Speaker 4: the chances of it happen naturally are so slim that
Speaker 4: we'll just try our luck.
Speaker 5: And we have not been lucky obviously since yeap.
Speaker 4: So we've been doing this for a very long time,
Speaker 4: like every time we're together basically. So that being said,
Speaker 4: we were just this is just a stranger situation.
Speaker 1: So I Ben and.
Speaker 4: I were just going to du buy for Christmas for
Speaker 4: the break the holiday season and coming up to years.
Speaker 4: I had obviously like ovulated before, and I was like,
Speaker 4: do you know what I want to have a drink
Speaker 4: on years.
Speaker 5: I'll do a pregnancy test.
Speaker 6: We'll check before I I'm being very sensible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yea, So I did a pregnancy test and it
Speaker 4: came back negative.
Speaker 5: Did another one to be sure negative.
Speaker 4: You feel a level of disappointment, but at the moment
Speaker 4: they're always negative, so it's fun.
Speaker 5: It's just like another negative one.
Speaker 4: So I'd put it in the bin in the bathroom,
Speaker 4: like the toilet bin, along with the urine cup.
Speaker 5: When about my day we left the hotel, we went
Speaker 5: to the beach whatever, and we came.
Speaker 4: Back and the pregnancy test had been taken out of
Speaker 4: the bin and the urine cup was taking out of
Speaker 4: the bin and it was just put like up on
Speaker 4: the console, the urine cup as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like the whole test was. And I was like, Ben,
Speaker 5: that's the question.
Speaker 6: Did you take the pregnancy test out of the bin?
Speaker 5: And he was like what?
Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, that's weird. You're trying to
Speaker 4: keep it for like a momentum. He was like, why
Speaker 4: would I do that? And I said, well, I'm sure
Speaker 4: I put it in the bin.
Speaker 1: You're like, cause I'm going home soon when I have
Speaker 1: a little keepsake of me, I get that urine.
Speaker 4: But I was like, I gas lipped myself and I
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, maybe I didn't put it in the bin.
Speaker 5: So I put it back in the bin. We went
Speaker 5: out again, and I came back and it was back
Speaker 5: out of the bin.
Speaker 3: This happened like three times. They were coming into the
Speaker 3: room and taking the pregnancy test and the urine cup
Speaker 3: out of the bin and just putting it on display.
Speaker 3: And I was like, guys, are you doubling down that
Speaker 3: it's negative?
Speaker 5: I was like, I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Maybe they were like, this isn't the plastic spin that's
Speaker 2: the recycling bin over there, No.
Speaker 1: This is not the human waste. Why would you do?
Speaker 4: But I'm genuinely confused. I'm like, what is happening?
Speaker 1: Why is that? Why the cleaner sorting the bit? I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 5: I didn't even know that that was a thing. I
Speaker 5: didn't know that went through to me.
Speaker 1: I think it is a thing, but it is they're
Speaker 1: supposed to do that.
Speaker 6: Well, three times the pregnancy test was laid out. Explain
Speaker 6: that to me.
Speaker 1: Is it a case that you're like, because you're not
Speaker 1: married yet, is it.
Speaker 5: Like you shouldn't be ornoicating.
Speaker 1: For just having babies out of wedlock and dubai? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Is it like is it a cult?
Speaker 5: Maybe let's not bring any more attention to it. Am
Speaker 5: I going to prison.
Speaker 1: Probably not because you're not in to buy anymore. But
Speaker 1: what if I want to go back. I'm sure you're
Speaker 1: put a flag on my cot. I'm sure they've done nothing.
Speaker 2: It doesn't say on your passport like had sex out
Speaker 2: of wedlock.
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's going to be on your passport.
Speaker 2: Did you get to the bottom of it? Did you
Speaker 2: have any resolution to this, or like you just to
Speaker 2: a public bin.
Speaker 5: I was like, I had to put it in my bag.
Speaker 4: I had to put it in my handbag, and I
Speaker 4: was like, I guess I'll go take it somewhere into
Speaker 4: the street. I'm like, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's not happened to me before, and I couldn't understand it.
Speaker 2: I watched a really funny TikTok the other day and
Speaker 2: it was like, you know, when you're an adult, it's
Speaker 2: when your friends stopped doing pregnancy test with you and
Speaker 2: they start doing it with their significant partners.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's the benchmark.
Speaker 5: That's pretty true.
Speaker 2: Everyone just looked at me like they never did a
Speaker 2: pregnancy test with their friends.
Speaker 1: How many have you done? A few? Luckily I just
Speaker 1: have two kids. Surprising even to me. Wow, there you go.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's the pick up with Britt Harkley and Laura Byrn.
Speaker 2: And you know Valentine's Day, it's just around the corner everyone.
Speaker 5: It really creeps up on you, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day? I reckon, My husband's going to be still away.
Speaker 2: Potentially he'll still be in the African jungle by then,
Speaker 2: hopefully if he makes it through to the finals.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, speaking to husband, I'm just gonna steguay for
Speaker 4: a second take over. I just forgot that it is
Speaker 4: my fiance's birthday today. Oh, like, I'm just having this
Speaker 4: realization right now. But in my defense, he doesn't know yet.
Speaker 4: He hasn't woken up. He lives on the other side
Speaker 4: of the world.
Speaker 1: You've done nothing for him, You have done nothing.
Speaker 5: Well, he doesn't know that until he listens.
Speaker 1: Do you know what it just he moved country.
Speaker 5: Two days ago. It's really slipped my mind.
Speaker 2: Oh, you would be feelthy if he forgot your birthday.
Speaker 1: He would never live it down. You were angry at
Speaker 1: him that he didn't buy you.
Speaker 2: A present for your birthday when you both had already
Speaker 2: mutually agreed and spoken about the fact that you weren't
Speaker 2: buying presents.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because when you say that as a woman, it
Speaker 4: doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: Diabolically. Okay, we'll talk about this later. Okay, continue.
Speaker 2: So Matt, he's currently in this celebrity jungle right and
Speaker 2: before he left, he had a really big sit down
Speaker 2: with the girls. We spoke about in the show when
Speaker 2: he came on as well. He had this little symbol
Speaker 2: that he was going to do, just nothing crazy. He's
Speaker 2: just going to hold his little love heart hands up
Speaker 2: and do like a love heart symbol to the camera
Speaker 2: so that the girls could see him do that symbol
Speaker 2: and so that they would know that he's thinking of them.
Speaker 5: Super cute.
Speaker 6: Yeah, in theory if he did it, so.
Speaker 1: Would have been cute.
Speaker 2: So we talked about it so much, and he had
Speaker 2: this like plan to do the symbol. And I mean
Speaker 2: there's a few times if you've watched Time a Celebrity,
Speaker 2: you would know there's a few times where it's actually live,
Speaker 2: like it flicks to live in the campsite and they
Speaker 2: kind of go around and you get the camera on
Speaker 2: each participant for a short period of time.
Speaker 4: And you yell out to the camera. Usually I'm saying
Speaker 4: this because I did it last year.
Speaker 5: But you're usually like love your mom.
Speaker 4: And dad, or you like you throw the sign up,
Speaker 4: or you're like hey mad miss you like you're chaotic.
Speaker 2: Totally, so that would be the opportunity Formatt to do it. Now,
Speaker 2: he has not done it as frequently as what I
Speaker 2: would have thought that he was going to. I think
Speaker 2: I've seen him do it once so far. That's it,
Speaker 2: and I've watched every episode.
Speaker 6: Once does he say anything? Is he like, hey, lol
Speaker 6: it what?
Speaker 1: But okay, I don't know I was doing that.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, And to be fair, no one
Speaker 2: else on this season really is. So it seems like
Speaker 2: it was a really big thing on your season that
Speaker 2: everyone was doing their little hand symbols and stuff.
Speaker 1: No one's really doing it on this season.
Speaker 2: Only problem is is that Marley, who has been watching
Speaker 2: some of the episodes, has also picked up on it,
Speaker 2: and so yesterday she got a bit upset. She was like, Mommy,
Speaker 2: maybe Daddy's not missing me because he's not doing the.
Speaker 6: Heart's matt one job, buddy.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's out there eating pigs anuses. He's doing
Speaker 1: a really good job. If you can eat a.
Speaker 5: Pigs anus, you can throw a love heart to your
Speaker 5: kids at home.
Speaker 2: In Matt's defense, I know that he would be so
Speaker 2: unbelievably hungry, and when he is hungry.
Speaker 1: He does not function, he doesn't love.
Speaker 2: He's the hungriest man that just you can't have a
Speaker 2: conversation with him.
Speaker 1: When he's hungry.
Speaker 2: He's like processing skills, go down the toilet when he's hungry,
Speaker 2: Like that man needs fuel and he needs food.
Speaker 4: I have a question speak I know now well, I
Speaker 4: know the kids have really funny concepts of time. So
Speaker 4: Matt's ink gone two weeks.
Speaker 2: He's been gone now for no longer. He's been gone
Speaker 2: for almost three weeks. He's yeah, it's been two weeks
Speaker 2: because he left a little bit earlier than the show
Speaker 2: actually started filming. So it's now been two weeks and
Speaker 2: five days he's been gone.
Speaker 5: Well, so it's time going fast or slow for the kids.
Speaker 4: Do they feel like it was just a couple of
Speaker 4: days or do they feel like he's been gone forever?
Speaker 2: No, it's look, I know, I make a lot of
Speaker 2: jokes about it. It's incredibly incredibly hard, and we had
Speaker 2: a really good system at the start with the kids,
Speaker 2: and like everything was really efficient. I even joked about
Speaker 2: it on the show that like, things just get done
Speaker 2: more efficiently when you're the only one doing it, and
Speaker 2: that was the case for a little while. But both
Speaker 2: girls miss him terribly now and yeah, and it's hard
Speaker 2: on them because it's different when you travel or you
Speaker 2: go away for work and you can FaceTime and they
Speaker 2: can see you in real time. I think it's the
Speaker 2: lack of contact with him. And even though they know
Speaker 2: he's on a TV show. Marley, especially who's five, she
Speaker 2: understands the show and she understands he's away doing a show,
Speaker 2: and she's really really proud of him, and she wants
Speaker 2: to tell all of friends that Daddy's on I'm a celebrity.
Speaker 2: But she also gets really upset because she's like, but
Speaker 2: if Daddy misses me, why doesn't he just come home?
Speaker 2: And why isn't he here? It is funny they have
Speaker 2: so Matt does a podcast called Two Doting Dads and
Speaker 2: they created these little figurines of them, so like him
Speaker 2: and his co hosts have plush toys when they released
Speaker 2: a book last year, and Marley sleeps with the plush
Speaker 2: toy of Daddy everything.
Speaker 1: Now, that's so cute. She's like, why can dad eat
Speaker 1: a butt? But he can't come home. Daddy would rather
Speaker 1: be eating an anus than be home with me right now.
Speaker 1: It's terrible, but yeah, look anyway, guys, just your remind
Speaker 1: I give you ten votes Daddy Jay. Keep him in there,
Speaker 1: keep him in the jungle.
Speaker 2: I think the first elimination is happening this Sunday, So
Speaker 2: get on ten play and vote and yeah, fingers crossed
Speaker 2: for Maddy.
Speaker 1: J will only miss him for a few more weeks.
Speaker 4: A few more weeks. Well, Grace and I have a
Speaker 4: boat to catch and you've got an IRSL to get to.
Speaker 4: So that's meat raffle or when everybody Happy Friday. Guys,
Speaker 4: Happy Friday. I'm praying for you that you get your
Speaker 4: meat loaf. We're gonna see you guys back on Monday.
Speaker 4: Have an amazing weekend.
Speaker 1: See you guys,