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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Jonesy and Demanda podcast the Tribal

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Speaker 1: Dramas beating. Well, that was a weird job interview and

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Speaker 1: charmed me You've got the job in Armstrong crit Andrew,

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Speaker 1: good afternoon, How are you good back? Have you had

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Speaker 1: a weird job interview? I've had numerous weird job interviews actually,

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Speaker 1: but this one's actually about Steve Jobs. One of my

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Speaker 1: friends in America. His name is Andrey Grignon. He is

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Speaker 1: one of the people who worked on the very first

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Speaker 1: iPhone under Steve Jobs, and he had a number of

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Speaker 1: stories to tell me. A couple, let us say, for radio,

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Speaker 1: and many that probably are not. But one thing that

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Speaker 1: Steve used to do, which was really interesting, very early

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Speaker 1: on when they were building iPhone and other products, was

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Speaker 1: he used to ask somebody, really promptly and abruptly, are

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Speaker 1: you an idiot? Are you an idiot? So he'd ask

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Speaker 1: them that, and based on their response, he would either

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Speaker 1: hire them or push them through to the next round

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Speaker 1: or not. And if they were sort of really you know, offended,

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Speaker 1: and they were like, no, I've got this, you know

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Speaker 1: GPA average and you know I've done this course and

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Speaker 1: I know these things and I achieved this and they

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Speaker 1: got sort of angry. He'd be like, forget them. But

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Speaker 1: if they took a few seconds and you know, constructively

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Speaker 1: thought about the question and obviously trying to get to

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Speaker 1: and you know, what's the purpose, he'd just look at

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Speaker 1: him and go, yep, you're okay, and he'd move forward.

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Speaker 1: So he the question was really all about, you know,

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Speaker 1: are you someone who can actually have a bit of

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Speaker 1: a thought pattern? Are you an idiot? And what have you?

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Speaker 1: Just went yes, yes, high, well I probably would have

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Speaker 1: said that. And the other thing that this person did

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Speaker 1: as well. He got on Steve's bad side one day

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Speaker 1: and Steve gave him the nickname F Chop. I can't

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Speaker 1: mention the first word on radio, but he gave him

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Speaker 1: the nickname F Chop And so whenever he would be

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Speaker 1: in and around the office, you know, that's what he

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Speaker 1: would call him. And it was kind of, you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously something that originally started offensive, but then all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden went to something that was you know, quite alluring,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, he's he's ever since then, you know, carried

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Speaker 1: that with him obviously after Steve's passing as well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if Steve's going to call you that. That's if the

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Speaker 1: guy from HR called you, you're to come on. Excuse me,