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Speaker 1: Now, as the government forges ahead with legislative reform aimed

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Speaker 1: its plan to deliver up to one thousand beds over

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Speaker 1: me in the studio. Good morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Cadians, your listeners.

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Speaker 3: Now this is a massive plan.

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Speaker 1: I know you talk a little bit more short term,

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Speaker 1: of course, those thousand beds over the next four years.

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Speaker 1: Then you talk longer term in terms of about three

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, Katie, And we're really Proud in just

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Speaker 4: Obviously I eat more beds, but it's also about having

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Speaker 4: we will be bringing back online the Bremo Correctional Facility,

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Speaker 2: The current don Dale.

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Speaker 4: What we need to do is get those young people

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Speaker 2: We are making substantial changes.

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Speaker 4: For example, in Alice Springs we are turning that new

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Speaker 4: there's lots going on and we're pressing go all at once,

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Speaker 2: So a lot going on. The boot camps will, the

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Speaker 4: Will start being construct constructed in both Holtz and Catherine.

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Speaker 4: But it's many moving pieces and it's going to meet

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Speaker 3: Well, which absolutely needs to happen.

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Speaker 1: Just on the kids from the Alice Springs youth facility,

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Speaker 4: So we will move those youths out of the prison

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Speaker 1: I can hear people going, hang on, this is not

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Speaker 1: We're doing Elia In terms of the down Dale or

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Speaker 4: So November we want the young ones out and in

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Speaker 2: So the young it's a lot you're real happy with.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's a disgraceful overspend of taxpayer dollars, Katie, absolutely atrocious.

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Speaker 2: But it will be finished by November.

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon that there's going to be pushed back

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Speaker 4: Look, I'm sure some people will be concerned, but this

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Speaker 2: That that is a purpose built prison.

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Speaker 4: It is suitable for that category of prisoner and Ultimately

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Speaker 1: So is this acknowledgment that with the legislative changes that

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Speaker 4: No, No, not from our changes, but just on the

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Speaker 1: Leah, a big question from our listeners, when are these

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Speaker 2: So the new Boo.

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Speaker 4: Boot camp in Alice Springs will be done by December,

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Speaker 3: Though, we're trying to get through them.

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Speaker 3: Lea, how much is all of this going to cost?

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Speaker 4: why this week in Parliament, Katie, we will be legislating

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Speaker 1: When exactly is that one hundred and eighty million dollars

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Speaker 1: Chief Finister, you mentioned before those bail laws passing through

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Speaker 3: Right, So that's holding up.

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Speaker 1: How many electronic monitoring bracelets have you had to purchase? Oh?

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Speaker 3: And so when are you expecting those to write?

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Speaker 1: Now, last week we saw up to twenty people from

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Speaker 4: And so it's just in just last week alone we've

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Speaker 3: Do you support this?

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Speaker 2: We're allowing double the amount.

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Speaker 4: Of time for debating petitions, so that petition will now

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Speaker 1: Do you think there should be an age where this

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Speaker 2: To as part of the petition.

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Speaker 4: But one thing that's different, or there's many things that

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Speaker 3: Chief Finister, what else is on the agenda this week.

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Speaker 2: In Parliament so very exciting.

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Speaker 4: We continue with our reducing crime package, so this week

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Speaker 3: Chief Minister Leah Finocchio. We better leave it there.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time this morning. Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Take care everyone.

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Speaker 3: Thank you,