1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: And well a little bit later than usual, it is 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: time for the Week that was. And joining me in 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: the studio right now, the Colp's Marie Claire Boothby, Good. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: Morning, Good morning, Katie, good listeners. 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: We've got Matt Cunningham from Sky News, Good morning. 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 3: To you, Matte, good morning. 7 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: And we've got Kezia Puric, the Independent member for Goder, 8 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: good morning to you, Good morning, Katie, Good morning bush people. 9 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: And we've got Eva Ala, the Minister for various things infrastructure, planning, logistics, power, water, 10 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: lots of things. Well, very good morning to all of you, 11 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: and thank you so much for being here an hour 12 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: later than usual. Lot of messages coming through this morning 13 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: saying where's the week that was? Be saying don't worry, 14 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: it's kicking off at ten o'clock. Everybody had to go 15 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: to school assemblies this morning, literally every one of us. 16 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: Skirrowhen you Gray, good stuff, good stuff. Well, I'm glad 17 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: that we all all made it. Now. There's been so 18 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: much happening all throughout the week, and I want to 19 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: go firstly to the announcement yesterday by the Chief Minister 20 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: Michael Gunner. They're all vaccinated arrivals to the Northern Territory 21 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: from December twenty will be required to have evidence of 22 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: a negative PCR test before and after entering the Northern Territory, 23 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: regardless of where they've come from. In addition to this, 24 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: we know that the Chief Minister said there'd be no 25 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: distinction obviously between those Green and Red zones, but all 26 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: vaccinated arrivals would need to have evidence of a negative 27 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: PCR test seventy two hours before arriving into the Northern 28 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: Territory and they would need to spend those fourteen days 29 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: in a high vaccination zone. Now, I don't know whether 30 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: this was thought about a lot yesterday afternoon, but this 31 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: morning I've spoken to Daniel Rochford from Tourism Central Australia 32 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: and also heard from Hospitality NT and they've got serious 33 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: concerns about the impact that it's going to have on tourism, 34 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: but also on Territorians who don't live in our major 35 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: town center. Katie. 36 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 4: It's going to have an impact on straight, plain old 37 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 4: ordinary hard work everyone, Territorian families. I mean, I'll just 38 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 4: give you a classical and all trying to get my 39 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 4: head around it about you know, the new rules and 40 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 4: of course the goalposts and the rules keep changing, so 41 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 4: we're flat out trying to keep up and give advice 42 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 4: to families and people. But to me, it's a matter 43 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 4: of it's coming down to a matter of trust. I mean, 44 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 4: the Chief Minister said, well months ago, you know, look, 45 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 4: roll up the sleeves, get vaccinateds for the benefit of 46 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 4: the territory and benefit of everyone. Blah blah blah. And 47 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 4: you know it took a while and all the ministers 48 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 4: said the same. You know, I had the same message, 49 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 4: and that's good, and we did it, or most a 50 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 4: lot of people did it. And now we've done the 51 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 4: double vaccination. They said on the twenties the rules would change, 52 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 4: and now the rules have changed again, so we start 53 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 4: it's a matter of trust underneath all of this, that 54 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 4: how can we trust the Chief Minister in particular, because 55 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,679 Speaker 4: he's the message person. Because you know, there's families in 56 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 4: Noulemboy in particular, and other those remote communities, cattle station people. 57 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 4: They're bringing their kids home from high school, boarding school 58 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 4: and universities. Now, the best I understand, and I love 59 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 4: to be corrected, they're not coming back into one of 60 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 4: those high vaccines. Catherine and Greater Darwin, so they're going 61 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 4: to have to go two weeks into quarantine. Now that 62 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 4: wasn't the rule. That wasn't what the Chief Minister told 63 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 4: is coming to the twenties. 64 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: Well, look and this is where it's getting confusing and 65 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: hopefully if it can shed some light for us, but 66 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: that's the real concern at this point. If you're not 67 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: in one of the major town centers I Darwin, Alice Springs, Catherine, 68 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: it's going to mean that you've then got to add 69 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: two weeks to your holiday plans because you're going to 70 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: need to stay in one of those places before you 71 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: can head back into a more regional placeant all going 72 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: to quarantine of course. 73 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 5: So I mean, this obviously is complex, and you know 74 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 5: COVID has been complex all the way through. 75 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 6: We are ahead of schedule. 76 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 5: You know, this was originally going to be a month 77 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 5: later when we opened the borders. But to be very clear, 78 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 5: we still have vulnerable territorians in our remote communities that 79 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 5: aren't that haven't reached that eighty percent mark. So we 80 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 5: know that you know that children will be able to 81 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 5: be vaccinated, Children from five to eleven years old will 82 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 5: be able to be vaccinated in January that hopefully will 83 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 5: see a large increase in those percentages in those remote communities. 84 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 5: So hopefully in that early early in the new year, 85 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 5: we'll be able to see some changes around some of 86 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 5: those directions. But what we've had to do, I mean, 87 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 5: for the majority of the Territorians that live in Darwin, 88 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 5: Alice Springs, and in Catherine, this is great. 89 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 6: News for them. 90 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 5: They will be able to be able to travel into state, 91 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 5: they'll be able to come home, all of those sorts 92 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 5: of things. But it has not changed. We still have 93 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 5: vulnerable territorians that we have to be careful about. And 94 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 5: so that is the bottom line. 95 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: When I heard the announcement yesterday, I thought the same. 96 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: I thought, this is really good news. This means that 97 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: I'll be able to travel away at Christmas time and 98 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: be able to come back. Just got to have those 99 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: three tests. I can handle that, the family can handle that. 100 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: But then after I'd had a few conversations yesterday afternoon, 101 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: I thought, goodness me, what's this going to mean for 102 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: our tourism operators, etc. Or other? Even for everyday territorians 103 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: wanting to you know, to travel let's say, to Ularu, 104 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: or travel, you know, travel around the place. 105 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 4: The truth about you which they're probably going to Yeah. 106 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: What impact is it going to have if they if 107 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: they travel into station, you know, and then come back 108 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: and they want to go anywhere else, Like I suppose, 109 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: there's just a lot of questions at the moment. 110 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 2: And we've seen the Chief Minister who is focusing on 111 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: Darwin and they're forgetting about those in the regional remote areas. 112 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: I mean, the Chief Minister has had more than twelve 113 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: months to manage the territory's vaccine roll at nearly two years. 114 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 2: Thank you're coming on two years that we've been living 115 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: with COVID now and then just two weeks at from Christmas, 116 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: we see these new regimes in place, basically admitting that 117 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 2: he's punishing people in low VAXX areas, but he can't 118 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: even tell us what those rates are in those areas, 119 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: and like what is he doing about that to make 120 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: sure they are increased. He's punishing for people who are 121 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 2: now vaxed and who are not vaxed yet. 122 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 4: That's why I say it's a matter of trust. We 123 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 4: trusted him, the territory trusted him when he said get vaccinated. 124 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 4: This is going to be the weight's going forward and 125 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 4: accept what E is saying that, you know, circumstances do change. 126 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 4: It is a bit of a moving feast, this whole 127 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 4: virus thing and scenario, but it how can we trust 128 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 4: him going forward if he says you're going to be 129 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 4: able to go into state to a red zone to 130 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 4: come home and you know, do the chest and even 131 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 4: Thill has no issue with that. But I go back 132 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 4: to the school students are the borders and the UNI 133 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 4: students returning home? You know, some of these kids don't 134 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 4: come home twice four times a year. They come home 135 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 4: PEPs once a year, and they're going to have to 136 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 4: be isolated from their family for two weeks. That's their expense. 137 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: Though it's looking smooll. Teachers, you're talking police, you're talking 138 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: everybody who travels. 139 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 7: A Christmas I know that your health workers are already 140 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 7: talking about this, and I'm sure teachers are as well. 141 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 7: I mean a lot of those teachers, police, health workers 142 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 7: who work remote use that Christmas holiday period to go 143 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 7: back home, whether wherever that be. 144 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 3: And now they're going to have to come back here. 145 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 7: But they're going to have to come back here two 146 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 7: weeks before the school team starts, presumably if they want 147 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 7: to start on day one. Now, if a teacher comes 148 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 7: back and they don't get back from their holidays back 149 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 7: to Darwin from their interstate holiday until say the end 150 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 7: of January, they're not going to be able to start 151 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 7: teaching until the middle of February. 152 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the bottom line is, and that's what we 153 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 5: let's face it. The bottom line is, we cannot have 154 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 5: teachers or health workers or police or whoever it is, 155 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 5: taking COVID if they've come from Melbourne, if they've come 156 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 5: from Sydney, wherever it is, we can't have them taking 157 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 5: COVID into a remote community. We have seen the amount 158 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 5: of resources that have had to go into Robinson River 159 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 5: and Binjari to contain to contain COVID, and they've done 160 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 5: exceptionally well, all our frontline workers. So, Murray Claire, when 161 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 5: you talk about some of the things that you've just mentioned, 162 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 5: you're obviously ignoring that we have a very different population 163 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 5: in the Northern Territory. You cannot just paint the whole 164 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 5: territory with one brush and have a cookie cutter model 165 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 5: about that. We have remote communities and we all understand 166 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 5: that we have to make sure that those territorians are 167 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 5: safe as well. The impact on every body. Then if 168 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 5: we open up around that is huge. 169 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: The chief had more than twelve months to do this 170 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: and he has failed. 171 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 3: Territorian. 172 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 6: Can I ask any correct, any correct? 173 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: Is it going to be an opportunity? I mean, let's 174 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: just taking a step back for the tourism operators for example, 175 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: is there going to be an opportunity maybe for tourism 176 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: to sit down with the government, Because ultimately, what it's 177 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: going to mean for our tourism sector over the Christmas 178 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: break is that they are not going to be able 179 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: to have anybody traveled to the territory unless you're only 180 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: planning on spending that for to you know, like spending 181 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: your time in Darwin, spending your time in Alice Springs, 182 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: or spending your time in Catherine. You're not even going 183 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: to be able to go to Kakadoo or Nolan Boy 184 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: or what it's done. 185 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 7: Is cut off those few markets that didn't exist because 186 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 7: what did what until yesterday? If you're coming from Queensland, say, 187 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 7: then you could go to Kakadu, you could go to Ularu. 188 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: If you're coming from Wa, you can get back to Wa. 189 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 7: But you could come and go if you're coming from 190 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 7: from tazzy. But now if you're coming from any of 191 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 7: those places, you're not going to be able to leave Darwin, 192 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 7: Catherine or our springs pay trouble. 193 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 5: But we're also just forgetting that we actually otherwise could 194 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 5: have total lockdowns. We could go back to that. That's 195 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 5: that's what we've seen. We've seen Victorians in lockdown for 196 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 5: hundreds of days. 197 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 7: So let me know, But why can't we have kept 198 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 7: the zones in place so that if you're coming from 199 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 7: a state where there's little COVID, you could still travel 200 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 7: around like you can at the moment, come the twentieth 201 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 7: of December, that rule changes and you can't do it. 202 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 7: And that's the that's the last little life lifeline and territory. 203 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: There's no clarity. 204 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: Do you want to say those well, like I know 205 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: for a lot of your nurses, your teachers, your police 206 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: officers that live in that No, but also that live 207 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: in those remote communities like I know, for example, I'm 208 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: happy to say my mum works and lives in one 209 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: of those communities. She's triple vaxed. You know, she's actually 210 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: had three vaccines now, so she's not going to be 211 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: able to go away and see your children at Christmas 212 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: time because she's actually not going to be able to 213 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: get back. That's that's that's I spose the difficult part. 214 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: And I understand either. I certainly understand what you're saying 215 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: that we do need to make sure that we are 216 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: keeping vulnerable territory and safe. I get that. But I 217 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: suppose the difficulty now that a lot of people will 218 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: be thinking to themselves is oh, my goodness. You know, 219 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: I went vaccinated and I went and. 220 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 4: Right thing, I don't keep harping on when it comes 221 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 4: to a matter of trust, and we would You know, 222 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 4: there's a few people out there and there out the 223 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 4: front of your radio station who don't believe in vaccinations, 224 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 4: and that's that's their core and their business. 225 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: But the bulk of. 226 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 4: Territories are quite comfortable getting vaccinated and getting boosters because 227 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 4: the booster is now available to people if they want it. 228 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 4: But it comes back to I keep saying, it comes 229 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 4: back to a matter of trust, and it comes back 230 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 4: to a matter of there's no as you something you 231 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 4: do with cohesion or clarity and the lack of consultation. 232 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: I get it. 233 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 4: As I said, it's a moving feast and you've got 234 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 4: to move quickly. But if government can't move quickly and 235 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 4: talk to the major industry groups, what the bloody hell 236 00:10:59,000 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 4: are they doing. 237 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: Their tourism and hospitality industry heard about this was yesterday 238 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 2: in the press conference, and I'm pretty sure the department 239 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: staff that was the first time too, because their website 240 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: wasn't updated for hours and hours later. 241 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 5: So let's be get back to the basics. This is 242 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 5: not just arbitrary decisions that are made by the Chief Minister. 243 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 5: This is based on Dougherty modeling. It is based on 244 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 5: the directions of the Chow. So you know, everybody in 245 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 5: this room might think that they're experts. Everybody's got ideas, 246 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 5: everybody's got opinions about it, but it is based on 247 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 5: dougherity model, and that says that you have to get 248 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 5: to that eighty percent level in your remote communities. We 249 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 5: haven't got there. I gave that explanation that when we 250 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 5: see vaccinations from over five year olds, we'll see hopefully 251 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 5: larger numbers in our remote community and we'll get to 252 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 5: those numbers. Hopefully we can do that early in the 253 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 5: new year, and then those communities will be at that 254 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 5: those levels. 255 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 3: Some of the. 256 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: Canada different in some of those communities are at ninety 257 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: percent vaccination rate. For example, why then are they you know, 258 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: why are they allowed to travel around or why can't 259 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: people travel into those those communities if they are at 260 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: that high VACS rate. 261 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 5: Well, again, as I said, sometimes it is that they're 262 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 5: having you're having to travel through communities. For example, if 263 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 5: you're traveling to put Punya, you might have to go 264 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 5: through other communities that aren't So it is about making 265 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 5: sure that our vulnerable territory ends are safe. And these, 266 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 5: as I said, these rules do provide clarity around that. 267 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,599 Speaker 5: And as I said, it is meetings and it's a 268 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 5: lack of understanding Mari Clair of how these meetings work. 269 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 5: But you have a Sempse meeting and soon and in 270 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 5: that meeting is when those decisions are made. So you 271 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 5: have the Commission of the Police, you have the cho there, 272 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 5: you have the Chief Minister, you have the Health Minister, 273 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 5: you have the Police minister. Those decisions are literally made 274 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 5: in those meetings. They're not made earlier, they're made in 275 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 5: those meetings. So soon as the Chief Minister comes out 276 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 5: from those meetings, he does a media event. Yes, that's 277 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 5: the first that all the rest of the territory knows. 278 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 5: That's that's how that governance works. As soon as those 279 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 5: those conversations are had, those meet those decisions are made, 280 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 5: conversations that then had with the industry, and that's when. 281 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 6: Also the public information and put it up on. 282 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: Website, shutting down the tourism industry over the Christmas break, 283 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: you know from what like what they've said to me 284 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: this morning, it's going to be it's going to devastated 285 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: dead zone. 286 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 4: It is just I mean, apart from tourism, which is 287 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 4: obviously a bit interested in the Northern territory, this is 288 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 4: also the changing rules by the Chief Minister and those 289 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 4: who are giving him the information. It's also affecting the 290 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 4: transportation of cattle now truck I can't speak specifically for 291 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 4: general transport, but I do know with cattle that's coming 292 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 4: in and out of the territory across to w and 293 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 4: across the Queenstand, they're being given the complete run around. 294 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 4: And they've got bloody live cattle on these trucks trying 295 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 4: to get them into Darwin. And I can't give you 296 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 4: specifics of the problems, but it's they've been parked up 297 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 4: until they get through all the rules and the changes 298 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 4: from the anti government. Now again it keeps changing. So 299 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 4: these transport companies are moving the cattle and they get 300 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 4: told one thing, they get to the border and they 301 00:13:59,320 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 4: told another thing. 302 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 5: Well, Kezier, I worked very closely with the cattle industry 303 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 5: of around the transport industry around that and issues that there. Well, 304 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 5: like anything, there are occasionally issues, but they are being 305 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 5: addressed immediately and we are working, particularly with WA around those. 306 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 5: So I can tell you we are across any of 307 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 5: those issues and we triage them literally immediately. 308 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 6: Around that. 309 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: A very important question from one of our listeners, and 310 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: they are asking who pays for the PCR tests. Family 311 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: traveling to Adelaide have been told it's out of their pocket. 312 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: Is that true? 313 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 7: Matt was asked yesterday and he said the government was 314 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 7: paying for the. 315 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: PCIs okay, So if you do travel away, the government 316 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: will be paying for the PCR. 317 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 3: That's what he said yesterday. 318 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 7: And he said also said yesterday read the question you're 319 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 7: asking before about the communities if they have the high 320 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 7: VAX rates. He said that the reason they can't do 321 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 7: that is because there are so many children who live 322 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 7: in the communities and because five to eleven year olds 323 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 7: can't get vaccinated even if the community is over six 324 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 7: seeing vassrat at the moment, is that eighty five percent? 325 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 7: When you factor in the fact that half of the 326 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 7: community might be aged under that, then they can't. 327 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: Is anybody worried about the impact I'm assuming people are, 328 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: But the impact that that's actually going to have on 329 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: some of our you know, our teaching staff, some of 330 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: our nurses, etc. Who may decide, do you know what, 331 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: it's too difficult. I'm not going back. 332 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 5: Obviously, obviously that work is being done by those agencies, 333 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 5: but you know, I would in all my years, and 334 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 5: I worked in education for thirty odd years, I think 335 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 5: the teachers that work in remote communities, and I'll only 336 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 5: talk about teachers, absolutely are compassionate and caring and have 337 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 5: a complete understanding of the children that they work with. 338 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, every year there is. 339 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 5: A turnover of teachers, and we can talk more about 340 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 5: that later, but I think those teachers would have the 341 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 5: young children's health front and center in any decision they make. 342 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 7: I think that's absolutely the case. But also a lot 343 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 7: of them are young people from into state. I spoke 344 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 7: to Jarvis Ryan a couple of months ago before this 345 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 7: has been announced and I'm going to be worth getting 346 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 7: his view again. But he was saying back in September 347 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 7: October there were concerns about teachers not coming back because 348 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 7: they were concerned they were going to have to quarantine. 349 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 7: Now I think there'll be a concern now if there's 350 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 7: a teacher who works in a remote community who's thinking, Okay, 351 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 7: I'm going to go back to Queensland or New South 352 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 7: Wales or Victoria for the next six weeks and I'll 353 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 7: come back at the end of January and go back 354 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 7: and remote teacher. They can't do that anymore. They've got 355 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 7: to come back to Darwin and stay in DARHWN for 356 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 7: two weeks. 357 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: Well. And the authority of it is that they've been 358 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: doing it for the last two years. Like in a 359 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: lot of cases, they've been doing it for the last 360 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: couple of years. So for some of those staff that 361 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: have actually been able to travel, if they were going 362 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: into locations where you know, where it was safe to 363 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: travel to where there wasn't you know, it wasn't COVID, 364 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: they're double vacks, they've actually been able to travel fairly 365 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: freely up until this point. 366 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 5: I mean, I just want to reiterate Katie. Nobody wants 367 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 5: this to happen. We would all love to go back 368 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 5: to the days of pre CO, but this is the 369 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 5: reality and we have, as we know, people in the 370 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 5: territory that have underlying health issues. We have people in 371 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 5: the territory which where we or communities where we haven't 372 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 5: got those vaccination rates up. We have to do this 373 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 5: to make sure, as I said, that our hospital system 374 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 5: that we don't have death. This is the work and 375 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 5: this is why, you know, people can talk about the 376 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 5: Chief Minister say disparaging comments, but the Chief Minister has 377 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 5: done a magnificent job making sure that territorians are safe. 378 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 5: We've had only one death. Every day I get a 379 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 5: newsflash that says there's another ten deaths in Victoria. Eight deaths. 380 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 5: You know, every day there's somebody's mother, there's somebody's grandmother. 381 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 5: I wouldn't want my mother, who's ninety two to get COVID, 382 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 5: So I think you can be disparaging about it. The 383 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 5: Chief Minister has done a fantastic job and he'll continue 384 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 5: to do that, and he'll continue to take advice from 385 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 5: the Chow as well as the Commission of Police and 386 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 5: make those decisions for all territories. 387 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 7: Quick update on something I said before, Katief. That's all right, 388 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 7: So the Chief Minister was definitely asked about who pays 389 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 7: for the PCR tests yesterday and he definitely said the 390 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 7: government would pay. 391 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 3: However, I have just been sent this, and I've been 392 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 3: sent something to if you do. 393 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 7: Fill out the on the website and you say basically 394 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 7: that you don't have symptoms and you're just arriving from interstate, 395 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 7: it says that it brings up a message that says 396 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 7: you do not meet the criteria for testing. 397 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 3: Please see your health provider if you. 398 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 7: Are unwell, or visit this page for private testing clinics PUMA, 399 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 7: which you have to pay for. So I presume that 400 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 7: just means the website hasn't been updated. 401 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: Well. We certainly had calls about this even yesterday prior 402 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: to the announcement with people having difficulty being able to 403 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: book in for PCR testing. So I think unless those 404 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: resources are well and truly amped up, we are going 405 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: to run into some issues here. Katie. 406 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 4: This is from one of my constituents. I tried to 407 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 4: book a PCR test at Partison super Clinic and it 408 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 4: is fifty dollars per person family for is three six 409 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 4: hundred bucks. Not sure where the free places are to 410 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 4: get tests. Oh, I don't know Muchie and the chief 411 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 4: Michie says it's free, then that better go out quite well. 412 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: And we actually caught up with Robin from the super 413 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 1: clinic yesterday and she'd explain some things to us. I 414 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: don't think that I think that you've got to go 415 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: through the actual clinics that a government funded as in 416 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: Northern Territory government funded, is my understanding, like Marara, and 417 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: also the I can't remember where the other one is, 418 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: but I think that that was the case if you 419 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: want the free, free one and without a certificate, whereas 420 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: if you're after just if you're after the PCR test 421 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: and a text message, I believe that it's different, but 422 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: I will seek some clarity on that either way. I 423 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: think that it's safe to say that there's a lot 424 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: of confusion this morning as the details sort of start 425 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: to flow through, a lot of people wondering exactly what 426 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,719 Speaker 1: it means for them. We're going to take a very 427 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: short break though. You are listening to Mix one O 428 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: four point nine and a later edition of the Week 429 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: that was and joining me in the studio for the 430 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: week that was if you've just joined us, we have 431 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: got Murray, Claire Boothby, Matt k Ingham, Kezierpuric, and Eva Laula. 432 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: Now we know that Catherine. Well, it was good news 433 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: for Catherine earlier in the week in the sense that 434 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: they came out of the lockout. But then we learned 435 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: sort of late yesterday that the situation there has changed 436 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: to some degree due to the occurrence of the community 437 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: transmission of COVID nineteen and those positive wastewater results in 438 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: Katherine East. They've got these targeted testing stations have been 439 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: established and a number of streets in Katherine are now 440 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: locked down, so Malaluka Road, Hudsmith Place from Japani Court 441 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: and Akasha Drive. We had the Mayor of Catherine, Liz Clark, 442 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: on the show just a short time ago, and she 443 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: said that there are five new cases. I'm expecting that 444 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: the Chief Minister will probably be out a little bit 445 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: later with a press conference and updated numbers in detail. Good. 446 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 3: The Health Minister's doing a presser at eleven. 447 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: Fifteen, Okay, so we'll get some further detail there. But yeah, 448 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: from what I'm being told, I got a message from 449 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: Joe Hersey the local member just a short time again 450 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,959 Speaker 1: and she said, quite a bit of confusion today in 451 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: Catherine around those streets being locked down. You know, I guess, 452 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: I guess this is part of trying to contain things. 453 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: One of the questions I'd like to ask the Chief Minister, 454 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 2: but of course with Eva here, will I'll ask Eva? 455 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 2: Is so Catherine now has a vax rate of eighty percent, 456 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: which is what the goal was. Does that mean because 457 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: there are a few streets that are locked down now 458 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: even though they do have the eighty percent backs rates? 459 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: Will that mean that potentially there are other suburbs and 460 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 2: other areas of the territory that may get locked down 461 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 2: as well. 462 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: Well. 463 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 5: There could be going forward, but this is just a 464 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 5: way to get that testing. So the wastewater continues to 465 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 5: be concerned in Catherine, and you know, they are able 466 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 5: to target that it's in that Bisentennial area, that Catherine 467 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 5: East area, So instead of having impacting the whole town, 468 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 5: it's been able to narrow down and be more focused 469 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 5: around a group of streets where there is. 470 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 6: Low vaccination rates. 471 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 5: And so it's about trying to pinpoint because there's obviously 472 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 5: some people there that may not be getting the messaging, 473 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 5: may may not have been obviously not vaccinated or haven't 474 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 5: had any tests. So it's a way of microscopically, I guess, 475 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 5: zooming in and targeting one area so the rest of 476 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 5: that community then isn't impacted. 477 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have bonded that because I thought, you know, 478 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: I know that the government and authorities have been out 479 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: day in and day out saying make sure you go 480 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: and get tested, make sure that you know that you're 481 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: getting vaccinated, and then to see those streets locked down, 482 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: I thought, okay, there's clearly some people who've either chosen 483 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: not to go and get tested, or they're just not 484 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: able to locate these cases. 485 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 5: Well, English is a second language for a large number 486 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 5: of people in the Northern Territory. Thirty eight percent of 487 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 5: people are Indigenous in the Northern Territory. So obviously there's 488 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 5: times where as we all know when we've just been 489 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 5: discussing that, not everybody listens to the Chief Minister's media events, 490 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 5: not everybody buys the INNT news, not everybody listens to 491 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 5: Channel nine years. 492 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: So sometimes hopefully. 493 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 5: Everybody's listening to mix and are getting the message, but 494 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 5: we are very much aware of that. It is difficult 495 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 5: to communicate with every single Territorian at one time to 496 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 5: get that message out. 497 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 1: Now, the next step, obviously in what is going on 498 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: right around Australia, is that the vaccine has now been 499 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: approved for those aged between five and eleven. So the 500 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: nationwide roll out of COVID nineteen vaccines to children age 501 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: between five and eleven is set to begin. I think 502 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: it's January tenth next year, after the Vaccine Advisory Group 503 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: of TAGI provided its recommendations, so more than two million 504 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: children will become eligible for that vaccine, further extending vaccine 505 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: coverage across the Australian population. Do we not luck is 506 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: this going to be mandatory EVA or is it going 507 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: to be something that you know that people have the 508 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: choice to do. 509 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 5: Oh well, Katie, that's probably the big question. But I 510 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 5: would hope parents. Of course, parents will have that choice 511 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 5: with their children around that. I mean, five year olds 512 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 5: can't necessarily make decisions themselves, so it'll be something that 513 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 5: parents will be encouraged to do. And again it's up 514 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 5: to parents have those conversations and work out what they 515 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 5: want for their children. But if it is about the 516 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 5: health of their children, I've got two grandchildren. I've got 517 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 5: one that's just just over five years old. I wouldn't 518 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 5: want him to get COVID, and I'm hoping that a 519 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 5: vaccination would be something that his parents will decide. Obviously, 520 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 5: I hope I have some influence on that. But to me, 521 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 5: the thing that concerns me is the long COVID and 522 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 5: we've seen that elsewhere around the world. And I would 523 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 5: hope one of my grandchildren becomes a great football player 524 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 5: or a hockey player, or a sports star of some 525 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 5: sort into their lives. And you know, if you have 526 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 5: a lung condition that obviously is going to impact that 527 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 5: you won't be able to play high level sport, you 528 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 5: won't be able to necessarily be represent the territory or whatever. 529 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 5: So I'm hoping that my grandchildren and their parents will 530 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 5: decide that they should get vaccinated. And it is about 531 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 5: not just the here and now, it is those impacts 532 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 5: long term. 533 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: Mattin Marie Claire, how you I know you both have 534 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: got young children, as do I. How are you guys 535 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: feeling about all of the vaccine rollout stuff for kids? 536 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 7: Yeah, I've got three who are in that, all in 537 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 7: that five to eleven age group, and come January tenth. 538 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 3: Will be I'll be right. 539 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: I think the first thing that I will be doing 540 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: is speaking to people who work in the medical field 541 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: that I trust, So I know, I'll be speaking to 542 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: my mother who's a nurse. I'll see whether I can 543 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: get the vaccine lead Beavini Patel on the show, and also, 544 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: you know, maybe see if I can get somebody else 545 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: who works in that area on the show to have 546 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: a talk to all the parents out there listening as well, 547 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: just in case they do have concerns. 548 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 2: And there are parents and obviously people who work with 549 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 2: children that will be looking forward to this coming out, 550 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 2: and I think, come, what this does is give parents 551 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 2: a choice and the options. But what really needs to 552 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 2: be clear is the information that's available so that we 553 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 2: don't get all those mixed messages and all the myths 554 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 2: that go on. So yeah, I'm really looking forward to 555 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 2: seeing a lot of those informational videos that can go 556 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: out to parents that they can make those choices and. 557 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 4: Use all the relevant avenues, whether it be through the 558 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 4: school system, whether it be through youth groups, you know, 559 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 4: youth round tables with local government, you know, all the 560 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 4: local members to get the message out to people. And 561 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 4: also fact sheets that are companies. For example, I'm thinking, 562 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 4: if it's mandated for adults to have vaccination to be 563 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 4: at a workplace, then if their child has stayed twelve 564 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 4: and they help it it's a private industry of course, 565 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 4: if they help it the workplace as well, you know 566 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 4: on weekends, whatever is that child then going to have 567 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 4: to have a mandated vaccination Because I'm just thinking. 568 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: That's all. 569 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 4: I just want to get that kind of clap that 570 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 4: I think. 571 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 7: I mean, I could be misquoting in but I think 572 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 7: Gunner has said that there won't be mandatory vaccination for 573 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 7: children and that he's basically Lyne has been He's not 574 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 7: going to punish children for the decisions of their parents. 575 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: Now, speaking of the vaccine and that vaccine mandate, we 576 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: know that the Northern Territories vaccine mandate is facing this 577 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: league challenge in the Supreme Court a group of businesses 578 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: arguing that the rule is draconian and racist. Matt did 579 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: you go to the court? I saw you, I saw you. 580 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 7: And I think Mario from United Businesses and NT deserves 581 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 7: some credit for the way he conducted himself yesterday. Very 582 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 7: well spoken, he had a point to make, and he 583 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 7: made his point, Car made it well. 584 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 3: He was very respectful. 585 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 7: You know, there will be people who disagree with his position, 586 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 7: I'm sure, but he went about it the right way. 587 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've interviewed him on air before and I would 588 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: say the same thing. He was very respectful about the 589 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: way that he put his points forward. And I think that, 590 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: you know, if more people were respectful in the way 591 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: that they put their points forward, it would be you know, yes, 592 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: you listen a little bit. 593 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 4: More, including the people parked outside your station, if they 594 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 4: weren't so abusive and aggressive, then you know, we might 595 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 4: get to understand their viewpoint, whatever it may be. But 596 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 4: I don't know how they filed their papers in the 597 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 4: Supreme Court, but I have the sort of this nagging doubt, 598 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 4: and I've spoken to obviously lots of people and people 599 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 4: in the sort of the lead world. The chose directives 600 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 4: come from a piece of legislation, clearly, and it's about health. 601 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 4: But mandating people in the workplace is an employment matter, 602 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 4: and I think there's a bit of a gray area there. 603 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 4: And I think whatever comes out in this court case 604 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 4: or Supreme Court challenge, whatever you call it, that might 605 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 4: be one of the things that will get teased out 606 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 4: because mandating people to have a vaccination to be able 607 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 4: to work is specific. I know it's a health issue 608 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 4: as well, clearly, but it's an employment issue. So I 609 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 4: think there's some gray areas there. And I know there's 610 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 4: been court challenges around the country, like there was a 611 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 4: famous one for BHP down in the coal Mice, but 612 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 4: the judge was very clear about that it was specific 613 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 4: to that project and that business that coming because they 614 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 4: did not consult with the employees. So we can't take 615 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 4: heart that it's going to go across the country because 616 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 4: fair Work said other things. But I think up here 617 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 4: that's what presumably lawyers do. They get underneath the legislation 618 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 4: and how it applies, and as we know us members here, 619 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 4: they can even go back to the reading speeches of 620 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 4: the ministers to see the intent of the legislation and 621 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 4: whether that piece of legislation, the Public Health Environmental Act, 622 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 4: applies to workplaces. 623 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting case either way. 624 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think there's any surprise that that 625 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 5: matter has gone to court, and I think we would 626 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 5: all expect that. 627 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 6: So let's you know, that's. 628 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 5: And governments around any decisions also get legal Advice. 629 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: Well, we're going to take a very short break. It 630 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: is just twenty three minutes away from eleven o'clock. You 631 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one oh four point nine. It 632 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: is the week that was. It is twenty minutes away 633 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: from eleven o'clock and you are listening to the Week 634 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: that was. Eva Laula kezy Epuric, Matt Cunningham and Marie 635 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: Clai Boothby in the studio with me this morning. Now, 636 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: throughout the week we did read a report by Matt 637 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: Cunningham that an administrative bungle meant that the Northern Territory 638 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: wasn't going to be able to appoint a permanent Treaty 639 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: Commissioner to replace Mick Dodson before the Commission hands down 640 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: its final report next year. Now I do know that 641 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: there has been an acting Treaty Commissioner. Is that the 642 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: right the right way of referring has been appointed. But Matt, 643 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: this is something that you certainly covered off on throughout 644 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: the week. 645 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. 646 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 7: So the problem was that when they wrote the legislation, Katie, 647 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 7: it's specific to Mick Dodson, It actually has his name 648 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 7: in the legislation. City is that I can't remember his 649 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 7: middle name, Dodson, you know, will be the Treaty Commissioner 650 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 7: until March three, twenty twenty two. So when he was 651 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 7: forced to resign, that meant that they couldn't actually appoint 652 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 7: a permanent replacement. And they've only just and I've still 653 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 7: got some questions about whether they've breached the Act in 654 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 7: the appointing of the acting Commissioner. So he they've obviously 655 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 7: realized because the Act also says that that office can't 656 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 7: be vacant for more than six months. Now, Ursula, who's 657 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 7: the deputy, she can't be the Treaty Commissioner because she's 658 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 7: been affiliated with the political party in the past five years, 659 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 7: which also deems you ineligible to be the Treaty Commissioner. 660 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 3: So then I think. 661 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 7: They've realized, oh, we've got to get at someone in 662 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 7: this office, otherwise we're going to be breaching our own Act. 663 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 7: So last minute, they've done a virtual swearing in of 664 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 7: Tony McAvoy, and you know, he sounds, for all intents 665 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 7: and purposes like he's a really good choice. 666 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 3: But they've they've. 667 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 7: Sworn him in via zoom right. They didn't invite the 668 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 7: media or anyone. They just did a quick swearing in 669 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 7: via zoom on Wednesday morning. And then when I started 670 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 7: asking questions, well, you know, when does he start? And 671 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 7: then then they said, he starts on the first of January. Well, 672 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 7: if he starts on the first of January, then you've 673 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 7: you've gone past your six. 674 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: Months, right. 675 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 7: But we swore him in before the deadline was the 676 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 7: eleventh of December. They had to have someone by the 677 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 7: by the eleventh of December, that's what they racked him 678 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 7: in by the ape. 679 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 680 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 7: And then but he's not actually starting until the first 681 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 7: and so I said, well, when's he's starting to get paid, 682 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 7: And then they said, well, he's starting to get paid 683 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 7: on the first And now now his contract goes until 684 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 7: the end of June. But then he said in a 685 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 7: radio interview on the ABC, he said he was going 686 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 7: to come up here until the third of March, and 687 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 7: then he's going to be flying fly out. 688 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 4: That's because he's got another job somewhere else, I presume. 689 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 7: But I the question, is he the full time Treaty 690 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 7: commissioner because he's not even going to be here. 691 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: Question. Guy, I know where Scheler Raymond, and I know 692 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: she's a good operator. I've worked with her, the deputy 693 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: Treaty commissioner. I know she's a very good operator, but 694 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: it makes you, you know, like it makes you go, 695 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: all right, well, she and whoever else is in that 696 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: office is obviously doing all of that work. I get 697 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: that we need an actual commissioner, an actual treaty commissioner, 698 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: but it does make you wonder just how much the 699 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: actual treaty commissioner is doing, or does if the office 700 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: is still able to operate without that person in there. 701 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 4: I mean, let's let's take it back a bit, and 702 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 4: I think this legislation passed we think about two years ago, 703 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 4: and it sounded pretty normal. I can't wait. I don't 704 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 4: know what the CLP thought about it. But now that 705 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 4: we know that there's a name in a piece of legislation, 706 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 4: that is the most extraordinary thing ever. It's like putting 707 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 4: an actual penalty in a number, like you know, the 708 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 4: finest five thousand dollars, when you know things change in time. 709 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 4: That's why we have penalty points in legislation rather than 710 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 4: actual number. But I have never heard of a piece 711 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,239 Speaker 4: of legislation in the territory where names are person So 712 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 4: when you're. 713 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: Talking about a commissioner. 714 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, it makes you wonder about the process of the 715 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 7: appointment in the first place. 716 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: Yeah right, it sounds like. 717 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 2: Just sounds like they're gonna governments have thrown their hands 718 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 2: up in the air and thought, oh this is too hard. 719 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 2: We give up, we don't know what to do. Let's 720 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 2: just pull in this interrum. I mean, it would have 721 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 2: been nice if they had have looked for a local 722 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 2: to do this. We had a potential flying flight. There's 723 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 2: plenty of locals out there that John wonderfully. 724 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 5: Just be clear that it all for land Councils have 725 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 5: a say around the selection, so and Akuti Northern and 726 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 5: Central Land Council as well as the Minister Selene Ubo. So, 727 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 5: I mean, there's obviously legitimate questions to be asked, and 728 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 5: I just suggest that Selena gets on and she can 729 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 5: clarify those things. 730 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 7: I also think she should clarify too, is a comment 731 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 7: she made to the a b C this week where 732 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 7: I'll I'll just find it because I was. 733 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 3: I was gobsmacked when I read this, and I mentioned 734 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 3: it to you the other day. 735 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: You mentioned it about but I didn't have. 736 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 3: The actual thing in front of me. But I'll just 737 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 3: find it. Because I thought it was a little bit disappointing. 738 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 4: All Right, while you're finding that, I I hear what 739 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 4: Eva saying in regards to consultation with the land councils, 740 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 4: and that's that's that's. 741 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: Fine, very appropriate. 742 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 4: But when the final report comes out, I'd like to 743 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 4: know who else they've consulted in regards to a treaty 744 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 4: with whoever we're having a treaty with, because when you 745 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 4: have a treaty, there's two parties at the table. 746 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: So you know, had only the. 747 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 4: Land council has been consulted, what about me? I might 748 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 4: have a vested interest in this, you know, So have 749 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 4: other people around the traps been consulted in regards to 750 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,720 Speaker 4: preparation explanation? 751 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 6: And well, this is this is a treaty report. This 752 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 6: is an actual treaty that's coming out. So this is 753 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 6: a report. 754 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 5: So the report will obviously provide well provide directions information 755 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,919 Speaker 5: around that. So and the Treaty Commissioner in the past 756 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 5: has said that whether it's treaties plural or a treaty, 757 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 5: that's the work that's ahead. 758 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 7: Just what she said was is she miss you both 759 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 7: conceded the resignation of Professor Dodson was quote very difficult 760 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 7: and very upsetting event for a lot of people in 761 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 7: terms of the aspirations that people have linked with the 762 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 7: Treaty Commission and the Office. 763 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 3: Now, what I wonder is why it's not very difficult 764 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 3: and very upsetting event for the women who were in 765 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 3: a big abused and why has there. 766 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 7: Been no statement saying such from the Treaty Minister. And 767 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,919 Speaker 7: that's one of the first things I've heard her say 768 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 7: about the whole incident. And I mean, I'm only reading 769 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 7: the story, and I don't know. Maybe more was said, 770 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 7: but according to what I've read, her first concern appears 771 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 7: not to be for the victims in this, but to 772 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 7: be for the process. 773 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 3: Now, for her concern was for the process. 774 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 7: Why did it take a whole six months to replace 775 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 7: Professor Dodson. Why wasn't the why weren't the expressions of 776 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 7: interest called for in June? 777 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 4: He was on because surely the Minister would know her 778 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 4: own piece of legislation that says you can't have the 779 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 4: office vagrant for more than six months, but they didn't 780 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 4: even yes. 781 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: So what do you think, Matt, that they were thinking 782 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: that they'd be able to put him back in the role. 783 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 3: I'm not sure what they were thinking. I don't know 784 00:35:59,200 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 3: whether that's the case. 785 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 1: Hands up in there, John about Well, look, we might 786 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: take a very short break because there's another thing that 787 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 1: I'm very keen to talk about in just a couple 788 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: of moments, and that is the alleged delegations made against 789 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: Senator Sam McMahon. So we'll cover that off in just 790 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: a couple of moments. You are listening to Mix one 791 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: oh four point nine is three sixty. It is the 792 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: week that was. It is just eight minutes away from 793 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 1: eleven o'clock. You are listening to Mix one oh four 794 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: point nine. It is the week that was. Now Matt 795 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: Cunningham's had to duck off because that press conference is 796 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: about to get underway giving us an update on the 797 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: situation in Catherine. But I'm still joined by Evil Laula 798 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 1: Kesi Apuric and Murray Clare Boothby, And well, we kicked 799 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: the week off this morning. Sorry, we kicked the week 800 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: off this week. On Monday, I should say, with the 801 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: news that the Deputy Prime Minister's Office had said that 802 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: an apology had been issued over an incident at a 803 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: National's Christmas party involving Territory Senator Sam mcmahont So members 804 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: of that party were meeting, apparently at the Kingston Hotel 805 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: in CA on Thursday night last week, and witnesses had 806 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 1: told the media that the alleged incident occurred as colleagues 807 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: were putting the senator into the taxi. They say that 808 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,760 Speaker 1: they saw Senator McMahon throw several punches towards the National's 809 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: Federal Director, Jonathan Hawkes. The COLP issued a statement after 810 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: being approached by several media outlets earlier in the week 811 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 1: and said that the Management Committee of the COLP met 812 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: to discuss seventh of mets so met to recently to 813 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: discuss the reported incident in relation to the senator. The President, 814 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: Jamie de Breney, has spoken with all those involved and 815 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,720 Speaker 1: has been informed that a sincere apology has been given 816 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: by Senator Sam McMahon and this was accepted. The COLP 817 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: Management Committee have high expectations of all parliamentarians, whether they're 818 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: working from wherever they're working from in the Territory or Canberra, 819 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: and the COLP as an organization works hard to support 820 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: those parliamentarians and it's and staff and will continue to 821 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: do so. Look I've got to say it seemed like 822 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: a statement from the colp saying, well, nothing to see here. 823 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,760 Speaker 1: I'll go I'm really easier. 824 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 4: There, by the grace of God go iye and everyone 825 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 4: else in the territory. But I mean, we don't know 826 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 4: the full story. We do it, whether it be you know, 827 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 4: the Senator McMahon was objecting to something that Jonathan Hawks 828 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 4: had said or said previously, or or I don't know, 829 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 4: she got riled up, but yeah, you don't want to 830 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 4: go around punching people's that's very inappropriate, or even trying 831 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 4: to punch people. 832 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: And look, we don't know the full story. But a 833 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: point that was made by a couple of our listeners 834 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: throughout the week, which I think is a very good one, 835 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: is that if we were talking about a male who 836 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 1: was throwing punches at a female, the ramifications would be 837 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,879 Speaker 1: very different. Well, there's that part as well, and I'm 838 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,280 Speaker 1: not really sure why, because we're actually talking. 839 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 4: About people's standards in our society. 840 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: Well, and we are talk because we are talking about 841 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: somebody who is in a senator's busy. It's a role 842 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,439 Speaker 1: that people expect you to behave obviously, Well, whether you're 843 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,839 Speaker 1: at your Christmas party or no matter really where you are, 844 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: when you are in the public eye, and I'm sure 845 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: that all of you know that, you know, all of 846 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: you are expected to. 847 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 4: Behave You've got to just be very careful, you know, 848 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 4: like if you're going to have a work kind of 849 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 4: Christmas party, then you plan it. You plan Okay, I'm 850 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,320 Speaker 4: going to stay this long, I'm going to have this 851 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 4: many drinks, or I'm not going to drink it all 852 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 4: or whatever. Or you have someone with you who's just 853 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 4: your friend or whatever. You know, like if you if 854 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 4: you like the drink, and then you have your uber 855 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 4: or your taxi or whatever, and trust that person. So 856 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 4: if you do get sozzled, at least trust the person 857 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 4: that drags you by the collar and puts you in 858 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 4: the taxi, and don't then try and swipe at someone else. 859 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: Try not to get sozzled these days. 860 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 4: Sozzled anywhere, I mean apart from the next day. But 861 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:46,720 Speaker 4: it is tricky. 862 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,959 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you know, people, 863 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: we're just. 864 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 4: Humans like everyone else. We have the same feelings. We 865 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 4: make mistakes, big, small in between. But you know, if 866 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 4: Sam Marton, you know, I'm sure she's very regretful and 867 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 4: remorseful about her action once she's got a feeling hungover. 868 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: But poor bugger. 869 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 4: But I think, you know, we just all have to 870 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 4: have a careful think about how we go about our 871 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 4: activities at this time of year in particular. It's it's 872 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 4: great to have a lovely time and enjoy you know, 873 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 4: Christmas and end of year and all that sort of stuff, 874 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 4: but we we just got to be just a bit 875 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 4: careful for safety reasons, personal safety reasons. 876 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 5: I'm not going to put the boot into Sam, I 877 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 5: think plenty of people have. I'm going to actually talk 878 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,959 Speaker 5: more about the politics. So Sam McMahon is the lined 879 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 5: to the Nationals, the CLP. 880 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 6: So I would like to know what. 881 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 5: Has she got for the territory. Because first of all, 882 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 5: she got rid of Michael McCormack. I actually liked Michael 883 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,399 Speaker 5: McCormack a lot. I had a great relationship with him. 884 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 5: He did a lot for the territory. 885 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 6: So she got rid of her vote counted towards Michael McCormack. 886 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 5: Going she got Barnaby Joyce and then look that we 887 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 5: got bad then also with Barnaby. The next step was 888 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,720 Speaker 5: she must have got something I hope for the territory 889 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,439 Speaker 5: around the vote around climate change, because that was also 890 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 5: a deal that was done between the Libs and the 891 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 5: Nationals to get the Nationals over the line around climate change. 892 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,439 Speaker 5: I want to know from Sam McMahon, and I haven't heard, 893 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,879 Speaker 5: what has the territory or what is the territory going 894 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 5: to get from some of those deals that she's done 895 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 5: obviously with the Nationals around that, because that's important. She's 896 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 5: a Senator for the Northern Territory. What has she got 897 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 5: for the Northern Territory. They're in government, what if she 898 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 5: what has she been able to do? You know, we 899 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,800 Speaker 5: me as Infrastructure Minister in particular, you know, working with 900 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 5: the federal government around what we can you know, what 901 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 5: we can do for the territory into the future. 902 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 6: We've got some big projects. 903 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 5: We've got the Arrows projects for example, you know, the 904 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 5: Adelaide River off stream water storage. So you know, that's 905 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 5: that's my my my interest with Sam McMahon, you know, 906 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,759 Speaker 5: the drinking, all of those issues there by the bye. 907 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 5: I'm focusing on her work and what she's actually doing 908 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 5: for the territory well, which I. 909 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: Think is a very enough point to make. 910 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 2: Is interesting that Eva raises that because let's face it, 911 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 2: the federal government is the government that has been funding 912 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 2: the territory for a very long time and continues to even. 913 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 5: Throughout budget government. That's self government, that's right, and the 914 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 5: budget tea, that's what they're supposed to do. 915 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 2: The budgets that you announce. A lot of the projects 916 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 2: that we have here that are fund they are funded 917 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 2: by the federal government. The federal senators, Murray claim the 918 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 2: House of Reps all contribute to that funding. 919 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: We get that lobbying. 920 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 6: Don We don't get anything extra. 921 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 5: We get out what we're rightfully what we rightfully should 922 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 5: get as a territory a territory, and what we rightfully 923 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 5: should get through GST. We all pay taxes in the 924 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 5: Northern Territory of Marry Can. We're not a charity from 925 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 5: the federal government. We get what we should be owed on. 926 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 2: A lot of the projects we have federally funded. 927 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 5: Well, there are a lot of projects that get rolled 928 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,800 Speaker 5: out through Sports Roots and all the other routs that 929 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,919 Speaker 5: the federal government have given. 930 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 6: What are the ones that are territory are going to 931 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 6: get well? 932 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we've run out of time. Can you belaive it's 933 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 1: nearly eleven o'clock. Thank you, Oh, thank you all. I 934 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: should say so very much for your time this morning. 935 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 1: Murray Clair Boothy, the colp's well, the COLP spokesperson for 936 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: various things including small business and tourism. I believe, thank 937 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,879 Speaker 1: you for your time this morning. Well Kezy Apure, thank 938 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 1: you very much for your time. Santa Run tomorrow hump 939 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: do you do? 940 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 6: People? 941 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,879 Speaker 4: Don't forget it starts. I think the Santa Run starts 942 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 4: about eleven ish and everyone knows where the roads and 943 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 4: the stops are, and the Virginia Santa Runs coming up soon, 944 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 4: and another I think on Sunday this week. So real people, 945 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 4: if you're not sure of the roots, just give my 946 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:25,839 Speaker 4: office a call. 947 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 1: Good stuff, evil all, thank you very much for your 948 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: time this morning. 949 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:29,360 Speaker 3: Thank you. 950 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 5: I'm going to call out to Sarah and Lisa who 951 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 5: are in my elected office and are doing lots of 952 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:34,839 Speaker 5: Christmas jobs right at the moment. 953 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 1: Oh keep smoking, yeah all right, thank you all so 954 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 1: very much for your time this morning. You have been 955 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,879 Speaker 1: listening to the week that was, and next week will 956 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 1: be the last week that was for the year, and 957 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: plenty no doubt to discuss. If you do want to 958 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,879 Speaker 1: send us a message this morning zero four double nine 959 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: seven double one three six zero