1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Hello, my name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yr 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: the Order Kerni Whoalbury and a waddery woman. And before 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: we get started on She's on the Money podcast, I 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: of which this podcast is recorded on a wondery country, 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: acknowledging the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: through as this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: and the storytelling of you to make a difference for 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: today and lasting impact for tomorrow. 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: Let's get into it. 11 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money. 12 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast 13 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 4: for millennials who want financial freedom. Welcome back to another 14 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 4: one of our shop back Money diaries. Wait a minute, 15 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 4: we're not just looking at one on today's episode, but 16 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 4: we're talking about the diaries that shook us in twenty 17 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 4: twenty two. Today and I've wrangled on air the woman 18 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 4: who wrangles us sound producer and a Lisa, Hello and 19 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 4: welcome to my show. 20 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Victoria Devine, Hello, the silent voice here 21 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: an Lisa, just rocking it with you. On an episode today. 22 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 5: I love it. 23 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 6: I'm so excited. 24 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: I literally made you do this episode. So I need 25 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: to take responsibility for this. 26 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 4: Why for those of you who don't know and Aalisa 27 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 4: actually has her own entire radio show and has done 28 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 4: for literal years. So like, if anyone's actually equipped to 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 4: be speaking in front of a microphone, it's not. 30 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: Me, nod. It's because we love our Money Diaries. They 31 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: have my favorite episodes, they are our community's favorite episodes. 32 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: Steep dives are great, Friday drinks are great. But I 33 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: know that you love each and every episode. But I 34 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: literally twisted your arm to make you pick not top 35 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: one because they're all amazing, but the ones. 36 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 4: That's impactful, I think, Yeah, I think I was not 37 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 4: happy about it. And that's why you're here, because you 38 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 4: were like I don't even have to convince yes, I'm 39 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 4: gonna sit you down with No, don't worry about availability, 40 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 4: like you will do this for me. 41 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 5: No. 42 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: But it makes sense because I talk to these women. 43 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,119 Speaker 2: I go through the emails and I like talk to them, 44 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: and I get this tremendous privilege of getting to meet 45 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 2: I feel luckier than you because I get to spend 46 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 2: more time with them. 47 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 4: Even I actually get really envious because often before our 48 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 4: money diaries, Analisa will be like, oh my gosh, Emily, 49 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 4: you're gonna love her and gives me like this beautiful rundown. 50 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 4: And then Emily comes on and she might be a 51 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 4: little bit nervous or whatever, and Analyst it's like, oh, 52 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 4: I don't worry, remember X, Y and Z. And I'm like, 53 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 4: why do you know so much about our diarist already? 54 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 4: And that's because every single time, Analsa will spend time 55 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 4: with them, getting them to understand exactly what a money 56 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 4: diary is, how to interview well, to make sure that 57 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 4: they are really comfortable when it comes to being recorded, 58 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 4: because like that's not everybody's forte. 59 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 6: But then also just. 60 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 4: Making sure that they're comfortable with the questions and comfortable 61 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 4: with the city situation and that honestly their MIC's work properly. 62 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm in thes because I used to get 63 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 4: to do that and now I don't. 64 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: But vd you know, low grade, actually high grade gives 65 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 2: me tremendous anxiety. Is anyone asking me my favorite list 66 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 2: of anything, whether it be restaurants, food, like music, can 67 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: you feel like I don't get judged. I can't pick, 68 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 2: but I love an end of your list from other people. 69 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: So this is also why I forced you to do this, 70 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: because I want your picks and I cannot wait to 71 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 2: see the ones because I have my own perspective on 72 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: the ones that I went into with one idea about 73 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: what the story would be like, but I came out 74 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: with a completely other education about what the lives of 75 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: these people are like. And I think that's why we 76 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: love these episodes so much. 77 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I'm obsessed with them. 78 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 4: And honestly, when I say each and every single week, 79 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 4: oh my god, Money Diaries is my favorite time of 80 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 4: the week, Like it literally is. Money Diaries can be 81 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 4: so emotional as well, like even just recording them. Sometimes 82 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 4: we get off a diary and I just like cry, 83 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 4: or I'm just so happy that I have to go 84 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 4: for a walk because I can't concentrate on the next 85 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 4: thing I'm going to do. 86 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 6: Or we spend like twenty minutes. 87 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 4: Working out a way that this thing could be solved 88 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 4: for one of our Money diarists, and I just I 89 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 4: feel like you deserve to know how much more time, 90 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 4: energy and effort goes into them than any other segment. 91 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 4: Of our podcast because and Alisa, you spend a lot of 92 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 4: your week as well doing research for deep dives, and 93 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 4: I feel like that's just not nearly as nourishing as 94 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 4: working out what is going to work on Money Diaries 95 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 4: and how to get the right talent together. That really 96 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 4: creates a space of openness, but also that our community 97 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 4: can learn from, because the intention of Money Diaries is 98 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 4: not just to chat to people on a podcast, like 99 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 4: everybody does that, but to actually have an impact with 100 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 4: a podcast, I think is a much harder thing to do, 101 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 4: and you do very well. 102 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 2: It's so true, Victoria, But like I feel like I 103 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: get this education you talked about tears before too, because 104 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 2: I feel like every time I speak to someone on 105 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: the phone, I end up just like Tiery, and I 106 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: feel like they're my best friend, and I'm always so 107 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: excited for you to meet them, and also hearing how 108 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: each one like no joke go. My life was one 109 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: way before I found this podcast and then I learned. 110 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 6: It breaks me and this. 111 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: Bit like has changed has shook me. So now we're 112 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: going to tell you about how you shook us. Well, 113 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: actually I don't even know who you've chosen, Victoria, So. 114 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 6: So do you want to get into it, Ana Lisa. 115 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, all right, here is the first one. 116 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 7: So I grew up in a single parent family and 117 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 7: money was kind of always tight for us. Like we're 118 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 7: talking black and gold food and homemade clothes and stuff, 119 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 7: like I never went hungry. There was always a roof 120 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 7: over my head and food in the pantry. We just 121 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 7: didn't have anything more than the basics. And once I 122 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 7: kind of left home, it led me to to not 123 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 7: want to replicate that for myself. But because of like 124 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 7: a few life circumstances with growing up, I just I 125 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 7: made a bunch of really silly decisions, and yeah, I 126 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 7: ended up getting involved with someone who really was the 127 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 7: worst person I could have ever gotten involved with. But yeah, 128 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 7: as I said in my letter, I was in a 129 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 7: very very deep hole financially. But I decided that I 130 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 7: didn't want to go bankrupt and I didn't want to 131 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 7: kind of escape from it, So I fought my way 132 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 7: back to the top. Painted all off, and I'm so 133 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 7: happy that my life is so much different now. 134 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I'm so proud of you and we've 135 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 4: only just met. 136 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 6: Can you tell me a. 137 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 4: Little bit about what your attitude towards money is now, 138 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 4: Like obviously, growing up it was quite tight, and there's 139 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 4: absolutely nothing wrong with black and gold. I still buy 140 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 4: that every day, but it does become kind of a 141 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 4: stigma in your life, right, Like you kind of look 142 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 4: at it and go, oh, that means that I can't 143 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 4: afford you know, the CSR sugar. And I know that 144 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 4: that is, you know, something that I've spoken to friends 145 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 4: about who have been through situations like that. 146 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 6: But what do you see money as? 147 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 5: Now? 148 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 7: I see money as it's not the scarce resource that 149 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 7: I used to think it was. I think I've got 150 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 7: my head screwed on straight finally. And to me, it's 151 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 7: a means to enjoy myself, Like it's the real that 152 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 7: I get for putting in so much hard work. Like 153 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 7: I have a day job and you know, a couple 154 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 7: of side hustles, so I put in a lot of 155 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 7: hours and so the money's the reward from that. So 156 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 7: I like to enjoy it. Like when I go out, 157 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 7: I like to kind of splurge every now and then. 158 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 7: And I don't think that's a bad thing because I'm 159 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 7: not robbing from Peter to pay Paul. I budget for 160 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 7: my splurges. 161 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 4: Now, so Analisa, I'm assuming you remember this one now. 162 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: My gosh, I'm seriously I'm sitting here with goosebumps. Of 163 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: course I remember this one. 164 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 6: So I now follow her on Instagram. I love her. 165 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 4: I'm obviously not going to share her on Instagram. I 166 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 4: don't even know if I should tell you that I'm 167 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 4: following her on Instagram. But I follow thousands of people 168 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 4: because I have no self control and like cut dress company, 169 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 4: follow cute person followed, Like that's why if you go 170 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 4: on my profile, you'll be like, she follows thousands. You 171 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 4: know those people and alsa that have like minimal follows, 172 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 4: they're like really selective. 173 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: Not me. 174 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 4: But I'm really grateful to have followed her because I 175 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 4: feel like I have an ongoing connection with her, even 176 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 4: though we don't speak all that often. The Phoenix rising 177 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 4: from the Ashes is what this episode was called, and 178 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 4: she survived and emotionally and physically abusive relationship. She's the 179 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 4: one that ended up in one hundred and twenty thousand 180 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 4: dollars worth of debt on credit cards that she didn't 181 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 4: know was existing, and she paid it off like she 182 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 4: didn't negotiate her way out of it. She just paid 183 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 4: it off because she was like, that is the easiest 184 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 4: thing for my heart. And I just remember listening to 185 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 4: that and resonating so much with it because I was 186 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 4: just like, are you joking? Like that's so much money 187 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 4: and I would be fighting tooth and nail to get 188 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 4: out of it. But she knew how to somehow during 189 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 4: that circumstance put her emotional and mental well being. 190 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 2: Before that, andr X was controlling to the level of 191 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: not allowing her bus passes or something. I think I'm 192 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: remembering from this story too, and there's no good level 193 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: of financial control. But like the phoenix rising from the 194 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: ashes is the perfect metaphor for what this incredible woman. 195 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, she changed everything about her life and is now 196 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 4: living her best life. I mean, it did take her 197 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 4: seven years to get out of debt, so this was 198 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 4: not an overnight turnaround in you know, a financial circumstance 199 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 4: and Anelisa had ended up costing her two hundred and 200 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars to get out of all of the 201 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 4: debt that she was in. But she's now debt free, 202 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 4: She's now leaving her best life. She has a brand 203 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 4: new partner, her dream job, she is a homeowner now 204 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 4: and she honestly has a very successful side hustle, which 205 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 4: I'm also watching with just so much awe and I 206 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 4: am so proud of her. 207 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: Like augh, I also remember that she liked to spend 208 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: cash so that she could watch, like feel the very 209 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 2: real feeling of the money. 210 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, she envelopes like money envelopes and I'm just like 211 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 4: you do you boo? That is absolutely working. But to me, 212 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,119 Speaker 4: this was one of the ones that jumped out immediately. 213 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 4: It was a tale of incredible strength and survival and 214 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 4: honestly so into the spreadsheets that she has, and she's 215 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 4: a boss. I think we can all learn a lot 216 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 4: from her. And this is just Quintessentially, she's on the money. 217 00:09:58,400 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 6: It is this. 218 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 4: Story of a powerful woman overcoming absolutely everything and getting 219 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 4: back on her financial stability train. 220 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 6: And I just that's a good place to. 221 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: Start for me, mate, I'm with you all the way. 222 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 6: I love it. Do you want to hear the next one? 223 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah? 224 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 8: So growing up I had two like really hard working parents. 225 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 8: They both did shift work. We had a nice home, 226 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 8: and me and my siblings we all got to do 227 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 8: like dancing and like gymnastics, whatever we wanted to do 228 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 8: asides from that we didn't really have much else, but 229 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 8: like that we had more than enough. 230 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 2: Really. 231 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 8: My parents would often like talk about money in front 232 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 8: of us, But I just remember always hearing we're so broke, 233 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 8: we're so broke, We're so broke. And in hindsight, I 234 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 8: don't think my parents were ever so broke. They just yeah, 235 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 8: I'm not sure where they put their money. They were 236 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 8: pretty good with it though, to be honest, Like looking 237 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 8: at them now, they've you know, they've got a house 238 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 8: paid off, and they've got a good chunk of souper 239 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 8: and stuff like that. So that's what money was like 240 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 8: growing up for me. 241 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, So talk to me about how when you were 242 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 4: fifteen you found yourself in government housing? Like how did 243 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 4: you go from this beautiful lifestyle that you just explained 244 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 4: to going, all, right, now I'm in government housing because 245 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 4: of a turbulent home life. 246 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 6: Like what happened my friend? 247 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 8: Yeah, So they were like they're good, they're great, hard workers, 248 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 8: and I have a great relationship with them now. But 249 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 8: as a teenager, my mum had lots of physical and 250 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 8: mental health issues and it was very, very turbulent, and 251 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 8: I got kicked out of home. My older sister left 252 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 8: my other sister ended up getting kicked out as well, 253 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 8: and it was all sorts of fun. So it was 254 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 8: It's weird because we kind of came from like a 255 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 8: decent home, but it was real. We had a really rough, 256 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 8: like teenage year. So yeah, so into government housing. 257 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 4: That's a really interesting juxtaposition. How did you deal with that? 258 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 4: Because I feel like, going from a lifestyle that you 259 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 4: just explained to going to government housing and having to 260 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 4: have your own income and then obviously deciding at a 261 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 4: team to drop out, that's a very big shift. 262 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 6: How did you deal with that? 263 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 8: Were you okay, Well, I've always been like really independent. 264 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 8: Looking back, I probably did go through like moments of 265 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 8: like depression and stuff like that, but at the time 266 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 8: I didn't really understand my own feelings and I didn't 267 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 8: recognize like what depression was. But like, looking back, I 268 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 8: probably definitely experienced it as a teenager. 269 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 6: But I was always really independent. 270 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 8: I had a part time job, so I just picked 271 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 8: up extra shifts there. I was happy to work and 272 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 8: that sort of thing. So I had a lot of 273 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 8: good like friends as well at the time, so that 274 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 8: was really good. 275 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that all right, Next question, my friend, 276 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 4: I think we already got here. But what do you 277 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 4: do for work? And the juicy part, how much money 278 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 4: do you earn? 279 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 8: So I do OnlyFans and I do in person like 280 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 8: sex works. I'm an escort. It varies a lot. So 281 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 8: I averaged between five and ten K a week, but 282 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 8: that's because I have like I have two kids. I 283 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 8: don't really work too hard. If I wanted to work harder, 284 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 8: I could definitely. 285 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 6: What do you mean you don't work too hard? 286 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 4: You're like, oh, five and ten k a week, but 287 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 4: I don't work hard. I'm like, what I know that's 288 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 4: beyond most people's wildest dreams. 289 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm pretty lazy. I only really work like I 290 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 8: do one booking a day roughly, but that's all I 291 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 8: really need to do. And like I've got such a 292 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 8: busy home life. It's a perfect like balance. There has 293 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 8: been times where I've worked a lot harder and you know, 294 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 8: made double or triple that in a week, but generally speaking, 295 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 8: between five and ten k. 296 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 4: All right, and a Lisa, I'm a bit biased here. 297 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 4: This is also a friend of mine that I dragged 298 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 4: on the show because I was like, we need your story, 299 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 4: we need it. 300 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 6: Like I just need it. On the show. It's very 301 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 6: different to the last story I shared with you. 302 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: Fascinating this one and again another one that I went 303 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: into Well not I have friends who are sex workers too, 304 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: haven't sort of asked too much about their finances. But 305 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: there were so many us of this story that were 306 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: fascinating to me. And I loved meeting her on the 307 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: phone too. 308 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 4: She's one just a bubbly, bright human that you just 309 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 4: enjoy interacting with. But I just also love that we're 310 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 4: talking about this journey of she grew up in public housing, 311 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 4: she was disadvantaged, and now she's making ten grand a 312 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 4: week as a sex worker. And we're not talking about 313 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 4: sex work as a bad thing, like we're talking about 314 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 4: sex She wanted to do this, she knew, she wanted 315 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 4: to grow up to do this, she knows she's good 316 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 4: at it. Get it, queen, And I just I think 317 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 4: we should be lifting the veil a bit more on 318 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 4: our friends that are sex workers, because it's twenty twenty two, 319 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 4: Like this is the oldest career in the entire world, 320 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 4: Like literally it has been around longer than financial advice here, 321 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 4: So maybe I could learn something about tenure because like 322 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 4: I'm clearly not that good at it. 323 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: What struck me so much too about her story was 324 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: the level of responsibility and work ethic. And I know 325 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: she was saying as well that she works harder some 326 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: weeks like she could. Yeah, she worked hard, So it 327 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: sounds like she's working hard, but the level of pressure 328 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: and financial responsibility that is required of her because her 329 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: industry is so stigmatized and is not regarded by lots 330 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: of the population as being legitimate and okay, it's just like, 331 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: actually you are completely ruling it, and stuff is really hard. 332 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: It's almost like danger money. You know, she gets paid 333 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: so much because it's really hard for her to manage 334 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: that money. 335 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 4: I can't imagine having to go to work and do 336 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 4: something so physically demanding, so not just sex, Like I 337 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 4: couldn't do a trade, I couldn't do something like even waitressing. 338 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 4: I used to be a waitress. I just don't have 339 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 4: it in me anymore to be so physically present and 340 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 4: have a job that is so physically demanding. So props 341 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 4: to literally anyone who does that, because I just I can't, 342 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 4: Like I wake up on the wrong side of the 343 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 4: bed and I'm like, oh, I'm going to change my 344 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 4: day around so that it suits my life. 345 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 6: I just can't do it. 346 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 7: I did. 347 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: Your life seems incredibly busy and very very full on. 348 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 6: Let me I walk into recordings. 349 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 4: I'm like, yep, so we're not doing that one today 350 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 4: because I'm Alie on the floor and you're. 351 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: Like, I don't care, okay, right day of the bus. 352 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 4: But I just I think it's so important to talk 353 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 4: about sex work because sex work is also something that 354 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 4: you know, obviously our diarist was a full service sex worker, 355 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 4: and that's cool, but there's just so many different ways, 356 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 4: shapes and forms that people engage with in the sex 357 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 4: work industry, from you know, selling their nudes all the 358 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 4: way through to full service sex workers. Like I remember 359 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 4: talking to a woman and if you're listening to this, 360 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 4: I cannot, for the life of me remember your Instagram name. 361 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 4: But we had this really exciting voice memo conversation she 362 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 4: was talking about having I think it was this episode, 363 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 4: having loved the episode about a sex worker because she 364 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 4: didn't feel like her industry was as stigmatized as it 365 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 4: used to be. And she told me how she does 366 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 4: phone sex work and like she works, you know, late 367 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 4: into the evenings, being a sex worker, just like doing 368 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 4: telephone stuff, and I'm like, yeah, great, like get it, queen. 369 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 4: And she's like, but do you know what people who 370 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 4: call me don't realize I'm a quadriplegic and I can't 371 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 4: do any of the stuff I'm telling them I would 372 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 4: do to them, but that's not necessary to do the job. 373 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 4: And she's apparently one of the best that you know, 374 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 4: these people engage with, and she makes so much money 375 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 4: and I am just so impressed. Wow, I'm like, get it, queen, 376 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 4: like you do you? But I think the thing with 377 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 4: sex work is people just think it's, you know, a 378 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 4: bit icky. But I have this friend in the community 379 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 4: who please slide into my DMS. You'd make it an 380 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 4: insane money diary. But she has managed to make more 381 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 4: than a full time income with the injuries she has 382 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 4: in an industry that she had not considered before, you know, 383 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 4: having her accident, and now can financially do the things 384 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 4: that she wants to do that she would have otherwise 385 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 4: not been able to do and had to be on 386 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 4: disability because what else do you do? And I just 387 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 4: I think that there's I'm not saying everyone needs to 388 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 4: do sex work. 389 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 6: It's not for me either. 390 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 4: I totally get it, but like, I just think that 391 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 4: people who work in that industry do not deserve your 392 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 4: judgment because they are stronger people than I ever could be. 393 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: And absolutely outrageous the prejudice that exists with the banking 394 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: system and even how she was talking about going overseas 395 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 2: and all that. 396 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 4: Stuff and that she literally can't travel to some countries 397 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 4: because ten years get in insane, insane, And I mean 398 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 4: this story as well was a good one about really 399 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 4: understanding that just because you make bank and you're making 400 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 4: ten K week does not mean that you know how 401 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 4: to manage money because this money darist has got a 402 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 4: little bit to learn. And we've been working on it, 403 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 4: I promise since that episode. But I just think it's 404 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 4: such an incredible story. It's such a different one, and 405 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 4: I mean it's not stereotypically she's on the money, but 406 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 4: it just seemed a miss to not include it in 407 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 4: this list. 408 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 2: Well, I cannot wait, Victoria Devine to hear what is 409 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 2: coming up next? But I am the producer here, so 410 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 2: shall I just just take us to Shall I take. 411 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 6: Us to a break and then we'll come straight back. 412 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 2: That's it, will see there. 413 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 6: All right? Anna Lisa to recap. 414 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 4: We're doing the diarists that shook us in twenty two, 415 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 4: twenty two, and we have two more for you. 416 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 2: I made you, Victoria, pick a couple, but not the best, 417 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 2: not the favorites, just ones that like, we went in 418 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 2: with some sort of an idea about something we thought 419 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 2: we'd learned, and we came out with a whole bunch 420 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 2: of other stuff. 421 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,479 Speaker 4: We absolutely did, And I just don't have favorites, but 422 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 4: I want to say that this was one of my favorites. 423 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 6: Again. 424 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 4: It was so powerful, so moving, so inspiring. Here it is. 425 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, I've had a bit of a thought about 426 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 9: this growing up. I'm one of five kids, and we 427 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 9: grew up in a very small rural town in the 428 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 9: South Island population less than a thousand people and one 429 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 9: and come family. So Dad worked and he worked very hard. 430 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 9: Money was extremely stressful growing up. It was never talked 431 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 9: about and there were always many arguments about it, to 432 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 9: the point where I think all of us kids there 433 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 9: was just so much stress around it. And I knew 434 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 9: that in order to live a life how I wanted, 435 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 9: I needed to get a good career. So back then 436 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 9: I would say very stressful, pessimistic about money. But now 437 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 9: that's obviously change over the last sort of good five years. 438 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 9: Are more positive about money and optimistic. I would say, Yeah, 439 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 9: i am a paramedic and I'm part time and I'm 440 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 9: on one hundred and six K. It's challenging and every 441 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 9: day is different. I'm coming up to twelve years in 442 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 9: the job, and obviously the last couple of years have 443 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 9: been stressful for everyone. And this year in particularly, I've 444 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 9: really really struggled work, just with workload and with you know, 445 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 9: what was going on with lockdown, and then I've had 446 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 9: a few family members that died as well, and I've 447 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 9: ended up having to take a good eight weeks off work. 448 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 9: I was burnt out and I ended up having to 449 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 9: see a psychologist, which I still see. She's fantastic, and 450 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 9: she said, you know you need time off. You either 451 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 9: go down work cover or we used yestically, she goes, 452 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 9: because I don't want you to get to a point 453 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 9: where it's too late, where you've gone past that exhaustion 454 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 9: and you're off work and you can't get back on road. 455 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 9: Because she said that she's got paramedics that have had 456 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 9: two years off road and they can't get back on 457 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 9: road because they just went past the point of exhaustion 458 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 9: and burnout, and so at a much better place now 459 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 9: I'm back at work and yeah, feeling better. 460 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 10: But seeing the psychologists, Oh, I'm glad, Like, I'm glad 461 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 10: that you got to pick it up as early as that, 462 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 10: because you do hear about people in our frontline roles 463 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 10: that just get so burnt out. 464 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 4: But I also just don't think, you know, this is 465 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 4: maybe another stereotype jest that we need to break, But 466 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 4: I just feel like people in those roles care so 467 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 4: much about other people that when it comes to caring 468 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 4: for themselves, they just don't reach out for the help. 469 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 6: When they need it. 470 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 4: And it's like, well, guys, like you need more support 471 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 4: than anybody, Like you're carrying the weight of the world 472 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 4: and so much trauma that other people go through on you. Like, 473 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 4: it just makes sense that burnout would be a very 474 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 4: real reality. However, we just need to identify it earlier 475 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 4: and give ourselves the self care and the space to 476 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 4: get through that. So I'm glad that you're back on 477 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 4: the road. That's so exciting. We're so lucky. 478 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, and you're absolutely right, like and normalize it 479 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 9: by talking about it. I talk very openly to any 480 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 9: of my colleagues that working with because all of us 481 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 9: need help at some stage. 482 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 2: All of us do. 483 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 9: And yeah, like I talked to my family about it. 484 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 9: Whereas you know, growing up, mental health was another thing 485 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 9: that was never talked about. It was everything was sweept 486 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 9: under the rugue. 487 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 4: It's just not helpful, Analisa, Oh my goodness, these ones 488 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 4: that you're like, you are just a better human than 489 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 4: I will be. 490 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 6: Like me, She's a better human the both of us combined, like, 491 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 6: it's just not going to happen. 492 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 4: We put the whole She's on the Money team together 493 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 4: and we're like cool. 494 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 6: Still not good for those of you who caught on 495 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 6: this was the episode. 496 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 4: She's an egg donor and an inspiration and ah, I 497 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 4: can't like literally a better human than I'll ever be. 498 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 4: She gives so much to everyone around her. She was 499 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 4: a maudie mother of two and an emergency services worker 500 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 4: of course she was, and an egg donor, which was 501 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 4: so so special. And she told us an Lisa that 502 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 4: she was the first in her family to get a 503 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 4: degree at all, and she'd been working on the money 504 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 4: story that she grew up with and she's been changing 505 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 4: the narrative, which obviously I'm obsessed with, But the story 506 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 4: about her being an egg donor, I just I can't, like, 507 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 4: it's so perfect, Like she was so caring and kind, 508 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 4: but it also just seemed really serendipitous that it happened 509 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 4: the way it did for her and her donor parents. 510 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 4: Is that the right terminology? I think so, the parents 511 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 4: that were getting the donor egg, And I just I 512 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 4: think it's so perfect because the family that she was 513 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 4: you know, donating to, which she's doing again by the way, 514 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 4: and makes me so happy. So these two siblings are 515 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 4: going to be in some way related, but more importantly 516 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 4: to that family, they're also Moldy, so for them to 517 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 4: be able to have some level of their heritage involved 518 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 4: in their relationship, Like, oh, I. 519 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 2: Just and she started that journey because her brother is 520 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 2: in the same sex relationship and she was like. 521 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 6: I hope someone dies for him one day. 522 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, he should have those opportunities as well if he 523 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 2: wants to be a father. And she heard a call 524 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 2: out on the news or a new story or something, 525 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: and now. 526 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 4: I can't remember how she found it, but she heard 527 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 4: a call out for a moldy couple or one of 528 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 4: the people in the couple was Maldy and they would 529 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 4: love to find somebody that could help them, you know, 530 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 4: embrace their culture because like that to me is something 531 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 4: I hadn't thought about, Anna, Lisa, Like, I just think 532 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 4: that this space is so special and we live in 533 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 4: a world where, you know, I had clients when I 534 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 4: was a financial advisor that had surrogate children and like 535 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 4: had you know, gone overseas to make sure that they 536 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 4: were biologically theirs because they were in same sex relationships 537 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 4: and they just couldn't, you know, have their own kids. 538 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 4: It just physically wasn't possible. And it's just it's such 539 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 4: a special process to be a part of. But just 540 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 4: thinking about those donors, like and the process involved too, 541 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 4: because she told us a bit more about that, which 542 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 4: is honestly not something I've ever thought about until this point, 543 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 4: but just the time commitment and the cost and they 544 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 4: paid for everything. But it was really interesting learning the 545 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 4: ins and outs of that stuff too, you know, and 546 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 4: the idea that you do this and it sounds so giving, 547 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 4: but you know, we've all heard of IVF and IVF 548 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 4: freaks havoc on your body because you have to take 549 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 4: hormones and you have to go through this entire process, 550 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 4: and it's actually wild. You have to do that to 551 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 4: be an egg donor. So she did that. It's not 552 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 4: even for her, Like I can completely understand why. 553 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 6: People like it doesn't matter. 554 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 4: I'm going through this, Like I feel like crap, my 555 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 4: hormones are up up the creek, I'm bloated, I'm this, 556 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 4: I'm that, Like this is awful, but like it's so 557 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 4: I can achieve my dream of having a baby. And like, 558 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 4: people go through this because they want to have babies, 559 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 4: and I totally get it. But she did it for 560 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 4: somebody else to have babies. So it wasn't just like, 561 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 4: oh I don't ended my time or my energy or 562 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 4: my effort. She donated twenty four seven during this process 563 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 4: to these people, and oh, I just obsessed, obsessed, And 564 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 4: I feel like this diarist has a huge heart. She's 565 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 4: endlessly giving again and again and she's doing it again. 566 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 4: And obviously we love our frontline workers. I cannot believe 567 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 4: that she's also doing that though, like Anily, so it 568 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 4: makes sense. Of course, she's a frontline worker. 569 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 2: Like I say, better people than me. 570 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 6: I think it was. 571 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 4: Just fascinating, Like I think the whole story of understanding. 572 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 6: How, when, where, why? Like what does this look like? 573 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 6: What does that end up? Like? 574 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 4: Like just a special human doing special things and she's 575 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 4: in our community? 576 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 2: How wellcky we top. 577 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 6: Not ten out of ten? Would would record again? 578 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 4: Would you like me to introduce you to our last 579 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 4: but not least absolutely Victoria. 580 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 2: I cannot wait to visit whatever you've got up next. 581 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 6: Here you go. 582 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 5: So I feel like I have a bit of a 583 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 5: anxious attachment to money, said like a true psych but 584 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 5: this manifests an almost a scarcity mindset when it comes 585 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 5: to money, and that's probably heavily related to my childhood. 586 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 5: So for context, I am a twenty two year old 587 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,479 Speaker 5: first gen immigrant from Sri Lanka and growing up my 588 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 5: family would be classed is low income. So we grew 589 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 5: up receiving family benefits from you know, Centralink and youth Allowance, 590 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 5: which I just want to say, like, we're so privileged 591 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 5: to live in a country that has like such good 592 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 5: social security, so very grateful for that. And my parents 593 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 5: are really you know, smart, skilled, hard working people. But 594 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 5: because of certain circumstances, my dad had to live in 595 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 5: Sri Lanka. Well, my mom essentially raised us on her 596 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 5: own in Australia, in a new country. Props to her 597 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 5: so amazing so in terms of family income, so even 598 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 5: when Sri Lanka wasn't going through a financial crisis, converting 599 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 5: a Sri Lankan salary to Australian dollars is obviously not 600 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 5: that stellar. And because my dad was a I guess 601 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 5: primary income earner. And additionally, my mom had to retire 602 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 5: early or stopped working early because she had a workplace injury, 603 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 5: so she was predominantly a stay at home mum. So 604 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 5: safe to say that money was very tight growing up, 605 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 5: and there was a lot of rhetoric about not being 606 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 5: able to afford things. And I was very very conscious 607 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 5: of the concept of money from a very young age. 608 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 5: But I guess I'm saying that, like, I'm really grateful 609 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 5: for where I came from, and I feel so blessed 610 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 5: that everything that my parents did for my sister and I, 611 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 5: and I genuinely didn't feel like I missed out on 612 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 5: anything as a child. It was more the sacrifice was 613 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 5: on my parents' end, you know, they kind of sacrificed 614 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 5: living with their partner. They didn't really indulge in any 615 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 5: discretionary spending, you know, buying clothes or going out to eat. 616 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 5: But most notably, they didn't invest into their financial future 617 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 5: in the conventional Australian way of you know, super and investments. 618 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 5: So instead they kind of funneled all their into us 619 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 5: and our education and in a weird way where kind 620 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 5: of their investments and sometimes I feel like there's a 621 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 5: huge pressure to almost be a good return on that 622 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 5: investment and be able to take care of them financially 623 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 5: and help them retire and actually enjoy their life. So yeah, 624 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 5: that's kind of my money story in a nutshell, all right, Anna. 625 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 6: Lisa, Oh my goodness, this was. 626 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 4: A recent one, and to be honest, I just couldn't 627 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 4: get it out of my brain when we were pulling 628 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 4: this together. I just feel like that episode was so 629 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 4: special and so different. But for our community, I feel 630 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 4: like really important to share because so many of our 631 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 4: community are first generational immigrants from international or their parents 632 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 4: were immigrants, and then now they're growing up with a 633 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 4: lifestyle that their parents never had and there's just a 634 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 4: lot of guilt and a lot of money trauma and 635 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 4: a lot of money story that you need to work 636 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 4: through here. And there's diarist twenty two years old, first 637 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 4: generation immigrant from Sri Lanka and along with her studying 638 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 4: a master's in psychology. Because she's obviously a smart, quirky 639 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 4: woman after your own heart, Victoria Devine Analisa. She's managing 640 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 4: a full time job and working three casual jobs to 641 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,479 Speaker 4: make sure that her parents and her are okay, and 642 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 4: she still feels like she's not doing enough well. 643 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 2: I think that title of this one, carrying the pressure 644 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 2: and bridging two worlds, it's like, I really remember from 645 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 2: this young lady, that this young lady that she she 646 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 2: was way more sure than me. 647 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 10: Let's put it. 648 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 2: Let's put it that way, you. 649 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 6: And me combined. 650 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 2: It's like such love and duty to her family and 651 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 2: obviously concern for her family still living in Sri Lanka, 652 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 2: but still also like wanting to be a twenty two 653 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 2: year old and feeling guilty about just wanting to live 654 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 2: where she's at. You know, it's so tough. 655 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 4: It's a lot, and I mean I appreciated it. We've 656 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 4: had a few immigrant community members on our podcast before, 657 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 4: and I think there've been really special stories. This one 658 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 4: really stood out to me though, because she genuinely was 659 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 4: so hard working but didn't feel like she was doing enough, 660 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 4: didn't feel like it was good enough, and I was 661 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 4: just like, holy moly, like you are above and beyond. 662 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 4: But then also with that overlay that her home country 663 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 4: of Sri Lanka is currently enduring the worst economic crisis 664 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 4: it has ever seen, and her father still lives there 665 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 4: because he can't come to Australia yet, her mum is here, 666 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 4: and she just wants to look after them. She sends 667 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 4: money home to look after them. But we talked about 668 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 4: it on the podcast because of how a baud the 669 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 4: economic crisis is. You can't just send money to people. 670 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 4: There's like this whole back way of getting it there 671 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 4: to make sure that they're okay, and. 672 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 6: It's just it was such a backwards process. 673 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 4: And you know, I think we should be sharing stories 674 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 4: like this and more stories like this next year because 675 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 4: it's so impactful, so moving, but also so real, Like 676 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 4: this stuff is happening in our world and we are 677 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 4: so so privileged to in Australia and I have an 678 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 4: overlaying level of privilege that I grew up here and 679 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 4: I'm white and I'm female in twenty twenty two, like, 680 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 4: I just I feel like having this platform is a 681 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 4: I have a responsibility to share stories like this with 682 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 4: you so that we can help them. We can make 683 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 4: a difference. 684 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Like we know that there are listeners 685 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 2: to She's on the Money from all over the world 686 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 2: and in Australia, people with all sorts of different backgrounds, 687 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 2: and that's what makes the community so special. And I 688 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 2: just gosh, you learn so much more when you hear 689 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 2: someone's first hand experiences about what's going on day to day. 690 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: And we really do, of course feel for the residents 691 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 2: of Sri Lanka and in so many other countries all 692 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 2: over the world that are not in anywhere near as 693 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 2: safe as secure positions as we are in this country. 694 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 2: And absolute reminder to check our own privilege, right. 695 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And I think this makes me frustrated, right 696 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 4: And I don't do it because I'm I try to 697 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 4: be a reserved, a nice human Lisa. But I think 698 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 4: having such a special job, because I do think I 699 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 4: have a special job. Yeah, it looks like real fancy 700 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 4: sometimes and I get to go to some fancy events 701 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 4: and I get to podcast all day, like it's so fun. 702 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 4: But my favorite part is really connecting with our community 703 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 4: because to me, there's nothing like it anywhere else, Like, 704 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 4: I don't think I know any other place where there's 705 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 4: such a vibrant and diverse community of people who are 706 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 4: so caring, so kind, so willing to help others, but 707 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 4: also so willing to share their own story so other 708 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 4: people can learn from it. Like to me, it's wild, 709 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 4: But I just I think that we are in such 710 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,479 Speaker 4: a privileged position that yeah, it's our responsibility to share 711 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 4: this stuff and share it with you and you know, 712 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 4: really respect it. But also we are a more wholesome 713 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 4: community because of this. I'm a better person because of 714 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 4: your stories, and like, please don't stop sending them. 715 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 2: We're stronger together, mate. 716 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 6: Oh it's so lame, isn't it. 717 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 4: Like it's true though, Like how much more connected do 718 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 4: we feel when we hear another money diary and we 719 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 4: can resonate with a tiny point of it and go wow, 720 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 4: or we can you know, empathize with something that we're like, 721 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 4: oh my god, I didn't know about this. Because there 722 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 4: are so many things in the world that we don't 723 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 4: have time to shine lights on. But with She's on 724 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 4: the money, I think that there's a lot to still 725 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 4: shine a light on into the future and We are 726 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 4: just so damn lucky that we get to do this 727 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 4: every day, and you know, I'm grateful for it. 728 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 2: Victoria to Vine, we were talking about tears before. You're 729 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 2: getting me choked up. 730 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 6: Stop it, we'll go, We'll go through. 731 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 4: Thank you for being along on the journey. She's on 732 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 4: the money. Thank you for allowing us to share this. 733 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 4: Thank you for being there, being present and wanting to 734 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 4: share your stories with us, because without you, we can't 735 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 4: do this. And I'm just I'm so grateful that we're 736 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 4: all friends. What a way to wrap the last money 737 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 4: diary of the year. Victoria, see you, are you glad 738 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 4: I made you do this? I'm glad you made me 739 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 4: do this. I'm very very happy with it. 740 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 2: But we do remind you, though, that we love each 741 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 2: and every one of you, and legitimately every story that 742 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 2: comes through. 743 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 6: Is just so special. 744 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 4: And you know what an underlying theme of all of 745 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 4: the four that I have picked today is that talking 746 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 4: to each and every single one of these people, I 747 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 4: think if we'd ask them and oh, do you reckon 748 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 4: like your diary would make it to the wrap, that 749 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 4: would say, oh no, absolutely not, like absolutely not, Like 750 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 4: they all just don't think that their stories are that inventive. Like, 751 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 4: we had four different dirests on We had the first one, 752 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 4: which was Phoenix Rising from the Ashes. She was so humble, 753 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 4: so kind, but just wanted to share because she knew 754 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,399 Speaker 4: that she'd done a really good job. But I don't 755 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 4: think she realizes how impactful it was. We had my 756 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 4: friend who is a sex worker, who I just don't 757 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 4: think she understands how relatable that content is. As much 758 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 4: as not all of us can relate to being a 759 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 4: sex worker, we can all relate not being that great 760 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 4: at money sometimes, and I just think being open and 761 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 4: honest about it is really important. Holy Molly, our egg donor, 762 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 4: she didn't think that her job was that important. She's 763 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,399 Speaker 4: just like, oh, I just want to give back click. 764 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 4: My brother's in a same sex relationship and I just 765 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 4: kind of hope that someone would do that for him 766 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 4: one day, and I'm like, what the hell, Like, you 767 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 4: are so special. And then our final money diary that 768 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 4: we wrapped was our diarist who was carrying the pressure 769 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 4: and bridging two worlds, and I just she would absolutely 770 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 4: not think that she would make a wrap. 771 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,240 Speaker 6: But I think. 772 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 4: Everyone's going to agree with me that these all deserve 773 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 4: to absolutely be here. 774 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,479 Speaker 6: But slide into my DMS. Let's chat. Tell me about 775 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 6: your favorite money diary and why. 776 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 2: And we cannot wait to share so many more stories 777 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. 778 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 6: We have so many of them lined up. 779 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,439 Speaker 4: I cannot wait to share them more with you. 780 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Victoria for having me on. 781 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 6: Of course, we'll see you in twenty twenty three. Guns bye. 782 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 4: The advice shared on She's on the Money is general 783 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 4: in nature and does not consider your individual circumstances. She's 784 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 4: on the Money exists purely for educational purposes and should 785 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 4: not be relied upon to make an investment or financial decision. 786 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 4: If you do choose to buy a financial product, read 787 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,720 Speaker 4: the PDS TMD and obtain appropriate financial advice tailored towards 788 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 4: your needs. Victoria, Divine and She's on the Money are 789 00:37:55,080 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 4: authorized representatives of Money. Sheirper Pty Ltd ABN three two 790 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 4: one six four nine two seven seven zero eight a 791 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 4: f s L four five one two eight nine