Speaker 1: Gid A, Peter Helly here, Welcome to you Ain't Seen
Speaker 1: Nothing Yet the Movie Podcast. We're our chat to a
Speaker 1: movie lover about a classic or beloved movie they haven't
Speaker 1: quite got around to watching until now. And today's guest
Speaker 1: broadcaster comedian online personality writer Liscinda Rooms Price.
Speaker 2: All below.
Speaker 3: I want to stay you with you, hey, little jobble,
Speaker 3: my hat snake shucked my hail.
Speaker 4: It couldn't be happening, right, So you ain't seen nothing new.
Speaker 4: Today's a special show because I get to hang out
Speaker 4: with somebody who I've.
Speaker 1: Actually never met before. Licinda Froome's Price is the self
Speaker 1: appointed CEO of Frooms World. I'm intrigued by Frooms I
Speaker 1: have to say. I came across her a few years ago.
Speaker 1: A friended pointed out that she'd posted a picture of
Speaker 1: me from my row of live days.
Speaker 4: I checked it out.
Speaker 1: In the back of my brain, I thought she's probably
Speaker 1: taken the piss somewhere. This is probably you know, it's fine,
Speaker 1: And I checked it out and it wasn't. And what
Speaker 1: I've learned since then is that Froomes is kind of
Speaker 1: loves to celebrate Australian nostalgia. She's a really positive person.
Speaker 1: She is joyful, joyous, she's bloody hilarious, and she's just
Speaker 1: she's like an entrepreneur who has decided to invest in herself.
Speaker 1: She has branded herself the whole Frooms World thing is remarkable.
Speaker 1: She has a legion of fan who love her. She
Speaker 1: does a radio show on the Caden Network called Flex
Speaker 1: and Frooms. You can listen daily for the three pm
Speaker 1: to five pm. It's also in podcast form. She has
Speaker 1: a substack Frooms World which has over eleven thousand subscribers.
Speaker 4: She's performing live.
Speaker 1: She performed at the Melbourne and Sydney Comedy Festivals this
Speaker 1: year in the show called Besties, alongside Lewis Hansen. She
Speaker 1: started The Pedestrian as a writer and the producer and
Speaker 1: the presenter for a few years. And like I said,
Speaker 1: she just has backed herself in and I find it
Speaker 1: kind of inspiring, to be honest.
Speaker 4: You know, we're very different ages.
Speaker 1: I think she's later twenties and she has recognized the space.
Speaker 1: She worked out that you don't have to wait for
Speaker 1: a TV network or a radio network to give you
Speaker 1: a call. You can just create and build your own thing.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what she has done and is doing.
Speaker 1: She's run thesehilarious campaigns. She read one as You Missed It,
Speaker 1: where she basically there was billboards involved, where she was
Speaker 1: basically putting out the word that she wanted to have
Speaker 1: sex with Shane warn This is obviously before he passed,
Speaker 1: and it was hilarious but also intriguing. It was like,
Speaker 1: is this gonna is this gonna play out? What's gonna
Speaker 1: happen here? And one he did engage with it for
Speaker 1: a bit. She performed the song about it with g
Speaker 1: Flip and Flume, which is basically a call out. She
Speaker 1: embraces Australia nostalgia, pop culture, nostalgia, Shrek, Serena, Tuna, like,
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of things and it's always entertaining, it's
Speaker 1: always positive. I think she's a really fun person to follow.
Speaker 1: I really encourage you to do that. Like I said,
Speaker 1: she's smart, she's positive, she's bloody, hilarious, and I'm stoked
Speaker 1: to be hanging out with her today.
Speaker 2: My name is Friends, and my three favorite films are
Speaker 2: number one Austin Powers. Actually my name is Austin Powers.
Speaker 2: It says your name danger Powers.
Speaker 4: No no no no no. Danger is my middle name.
Speaker 2: Mean girl, that is so fetch, Gretchen, stop trying to
Speaker 2: make Fetch happen. It's not going to happen. And everything
Speaker 2: everywhere all at once. Rock acony? What rock acony?
Speaker 5: You know, the one with the chef and he makes
Speaker 5: bad food point and.
Speaker 3: Then this is raccoon, sit on his head, control him,
Speaker 3: and then he cooks good food.
Speaker 2: Do you mean? But up until this week, I've never
Speaker 2: seen Psycho.
Speaker 1: Considered the mother of modern horror films, in nineteen sixty,
Speaker 1: Alfred Hitchcock made it quite clear that adult men who
Speaker 1: lived with their mothers are well a bit weird. Jamie
Speaker 1: Lee Curtis's mum, Janet Lee is Marion Crane, a woman
Speaker 1: we find in the hotel room having a rendezvous with
Speaker 1: a ripped and shirtless divorcee Sam John Gavin, who is
Speaker 1: suffering a little bit financially. When an opportunity presents itself
Speaker 1: to Marry to take forty thousand dollar cash and skip town,
Speaker 1: she takes it, eventually arriving at the completely vacant Bates
Speaker 1: Motel run by Norman Gates. Anthony Perkins, a seemingly friendly
Speaker 1: enough man with a passion for at taxidermy who lives with
Speaker 1: his overbearing mother. Yes, in hindsight, there were some red flags.
Speaker 1: Based on the book by Robert Bloke from a screenplay
Speaker 1: by Joseph Stefano, nominated for four Oscars, it went home
Speaker 1: empty handed, but it has lived in the pop cultural
Speaker 1: psyche like very few films have rooms. Can you, without
Speaker 1: writing it down, finish this maths equation forty thousand minus
Speaker 1: seven hundred.
Speaker 2: Thirty nine thousand and three hundred.
Speaker 4: Well done? Well done? Was that right? That is absolutely right?
Speaker 1: And I don't know why Marian couldn't do that sum
Speaker 1: in her own head. I'm not sure why she had
Speaker 1: to write that down and then flush it down the toilet.
Speaker 4: We'll get to that later, but from the get go,
Speaker 4: thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2: Thanks you, Peter Hellier. It's a pleasure to be here
Speaker 2: and to finally meet.
Speaker 4: We have kind of over the a couple of years. Now.
Speaker 1: Just follow each other on Instagram and message each other occasionally.
Speaker 1: Basically started by a publicist told me a channel tention,
Speaker 1: do you follow frums on Instagram?
Speaker 4: This is a few years ago now.
Speaker 1: I said no, no, I don't, and she sent me
Speaker 1: these you had sent you posted something about me wearing
Speaker 1: a beret whilst interview in the Backstreet Boys.
Speaker 2: You're wearing a backwards cagle short cap.
Speaker 1: I went through a little stage where I wore the
Speaker 1: Can goal cap and was feeling kind of fine about
Speaker 1: it at the time, and I think I may mentioned
Speaker 1: this on this podcast before, and it wasn't until we
Speaker 1: had Chris Rock on the show, who also wore the
Speaker 1: Can goal cap, and our guest producer Paid McGinley introduced
Speaker 1: me to Chris when they promoting Madagascar with Ben Stiller,
Speaker 1: and she said, oh, Pete wears the Can goal cap
Speaker 1: as well. I wasn't wearing it in this moment and
Speaker 1: he just looked at me up and down and I've
Speaker 1: never worn that cap again.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 1: He really was like, no, I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 1: maybe he hasn't worn the Can goal cap again since
Speaker 1: since that moment, I think I ruined it for him,
Speaker 1: and it was ruined for me.
Speaker 4: I did interview Chris.
Speaker 1: I've interviewed a couple of times, and the last time
Speaker 1: I'm interviewed him for that kind of sore, kind of horror.
Speaker 4: Film thing he did. I mentioned it to him.
Speaker 1: I said, I this happened, and I'm I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to shame you or anything, but I just want you
Speaker 1: to know I don't wear the cano caps anymore.
Speaker 4: And he was. He promised me he wasn't judging me,
Speaker 4: but he was judging me. Yeah, he was judging me.
Speaker 2: I went through a face as well. I think that's
Speaker 2: how I sound. I don't even I can't even remember
Speaker 2: how I found the photo of you, but I went
Speaker 2: through a period. I was working at Pedestrian, like a
Speaker 2: colored news site in in Gooda Commons, and I'd be
Speaker 2: sitting opposite this guy and I started wearing the little
Speaker 2: cap backwards, like I don't know what came home with
Speaker 2: me to even consider. I don't even know where I
Speaker 2: got it. And he just started calling me Samuel L. Jackson.
Speaker 2: I can't be doing this.
Speaker 1: I feel Samuel Jackson does own that look now, like
Speaker 1: that's who I think of more so than Chris Roe.
Speaker 4: I think of Samuel Jackson. He's the guy who basically
Speaker 4: own is that look. I think.
Speaker 1: And you know, a white at twenty five year old
Speaker 1: Australian chubby man should not have been wearing a Cago
Speaker 1: cap backwards.
Speaker 4: I admit that, and I.
Speaker 1: Moved on, you know, And it's so it's so weird
Speaker 1: and like in the way it's I find it really funny,
Speaker 1: but it's also if I was a deep, a little
Speaker 1: bit deep, a little bit deeper.
Speaker 4: I've made so few fashion choices, like like.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I didn't I didn't go I'm gonna wear
Speaker 1: hoodies and baseball caps, you know, as a fashion choice.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of they just found me, and I
Speaker 1: just kind of like, you know, I've never been brave.
Speaker 4: It's the only fashion choice I think I've ever made.
Speaker 4: But it was on TV for like a year and.
Speaker 1: Chris Rock kind of ended it for me, which had well,
Speaker 1: he did a service I think for all of us.
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, maybe, But I'm like, it is hard to
Speaker 2: go out of your comfort zone. I always say wear
Speaker 2: a hat to try and learn a few and kind
Speaker 2: of like push yourself to be more confident because people
Speaker 2: always comment on your hair on your hat. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you got to take a risk, and you
Speaker 2: took a risk.
Speaker 1: I took a risk. I thought I've thought of, you know,
Speaker 1: people have themed parties. Often thought of having a theme party,
Speaker 1: which is like where something you would never usually wear
Speaker 1: and that could be anything that could be It could
Speaker 1: even be a hat some people where it could be
Speaker 1: as simple as a hat, or it could be you know,
Speaker 1: some kind of really fuck off you know design feathery
Speaker 1: feathery thing, you know, or pant, golden pants or something.
Speaker 4: I think it'd be a fun night, I think so.
Speaker 2: Definitely a little hot short what they.
Speaker 4: Call little Kyle spitting around hot pants chat.
Speaker 1: That's it, sure, I mean, yeah, yeah, hey, Psycho, why
Speaker 1: hadn't you seen this one?
Speaker 4: I mean, this is made in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 1: There's obviously the remake which Gus van sand did with
Speaker 1: Vince Vaughn, the shot for shot remake. But this is like,
Speaker 1: this is a major film, Like this is this is
Speaker 1: really a big one. It kind of dawned on me
Speaker 1: when I was watching it how big this film is.
Speaker 1: And this is a real major one, And it doesn't
Speaker 1: surprise me that some people haven't seen it. But why
Speaker 1: hadn't you seen it?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: I didn't even know there was a remake. There's a
Speaker 2: Vinsfawn remake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the nineties is very kind of earliest Vinceful.
Speaker 1: It might have been post Swingers. I think it was
Speaker 1: post Swingers. Yeah, Gus van Sant did basically a shot
Speaker 1: for shot remake, which I've never seen actually watching this
Speaker 1: maybe thing I should just go check it out. But
Speaker 1: and also there's there's two sequels which I think both
Speaker 1: have Anthony Perkins in a Psycho two and Psycho three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this is a film that exists in the zeitgey,
Speaker 1: so you must have known what were the things you
Speaker 1: knew about this film.
Speaker 4: Like going in?
Speaker 2: Yes, so I was obviously tasked with finding a movie
Speaker 2: for this podcast, And there's so much stuff that I've
Speaker 2: never seen because I'm the kind of person that will
Speaker 2: watch and when we get into my favorite films, you'll
Speaker 2: see two of them I've watched probably more than anything
Speaker 2: else in the world ever. But like I haven't even
Speaker 2: watched Star Wars, for example, Like the gaps in my
Speaker 2: knowledge are so wide preaching. But obviously I knew the
Speaker 2: shower scene in Psycho, so that kind of drew me in,
Speaker 2: and I guess I just googled, like what are the
Speaker 2: best fells of all time? And that came up. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd never had an opportunity to watch it until an
Speaker 2: hour And.
Speaker 4: I think this is actually the surprisingly.
Speaker 1: We've done over near one hundred and twenty episodes of
Speaker 1: this and this is the first Hitchcock film we've done,
Speaker 1: so I was actually very excited. Yeah, we haven't done
Speaker 1: Rear Window or north By Northwest or The Birds, and
Speaker 1: I think this is I'm glad this is the first
Speaker 1: one we're doing. This is you know, I think when
Speaker 1: people think hitch they think Psycho. So yes, I'm very
Speaker 1: interested to get into it with you. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: your three favorite films.
Speaker 4: If I was the guest.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure if this is already out there
Speaker 1: that maybe you speak about it a lot and it's
Speaker 1: just kind of in my head, but I'm not surprised
Speaker 1: me and Girls is there. It is such a great film.
Speaker 1: We covered it on this podcast with Sam Mack and
Speaker 1: I was doing radio in Sydney at the time.
Speaker 4: I got to interview Tina Fey when it came out,
Speaker 4: and I was just so.
Speaker 1: Like surprise because I thought, like, I'm seeing this Lindsay
Speaker 1: Loewen film, Okay, we'll see what it's low.
Speaker 4: And it's just so smart and so funny.
Speaker 2: Btally, it's just I just think it's the perfect field.
Speaker 2: So obviously it came out in two thousand and four,
Speaker 2: so I was in year four, so I guess so you.
Speaker 4: Didn't interview team the Fair when I came.
Speaker 2: Out, nor sorry approbly one Persson could do that.
Speaker 4: The Grade fours weren't given the opportunity, which is which
Speaker 4: is a shame.
Speaker 2: So I I think about it the Locks. I still
Speaker 2: watch it probably like two times a year, i'd say,
Speaker 2: And when it came out, I don't think the humor.
Speaker 2: I don't think I really understood the humor beyond kind
Speaker 2: of like the slapstick elements of it. Like I didn't
Speaker 2: realize that the mean girls weren't cool or kind of
Speaker 2: it was the joke.
Speaker 4: Was on them.
Speaker 2: I was just like, I want to be a mean girl,
Speaker 2: like I want to be Ridina George. I love their
Speaker 2: fashion and the whole high school experience, so kind of
Speaker 2: learning later that it was had to reflect and be like,
Speaker 2: oh no, they're actually mean, Like you don't even want
Speaker 2: to be like Caddy Heron, you kind of want to
Speaker 2: be like the ard freaks. But yeah, I feel like
Speaker 2: every time I watch it, it's got that mix of
Speaker 2: nostalgia as well as it just yeah, it stands up
Speaker 2: like it's funny and it's smart. Yeah, and I love
Speaker 2: the actors in it.
Speaker 4: It's everyone's so good. It's it's funny watching it now.
Speaker 4: If you're get a chance to watch it recently, if
Speaker 4: you haven't seen it, go see it. It's it's so good.
Speaker 1: But to see Reggie McAdams play like, you know, not
Speaker 1: kind of a sweet Regie mcadam's role, like she's kind
Speaker 1: of the she's that the queen, mean girl is it's
Speaker 1: kind of weird.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: It's so weird, isn't it Because you then watch her
Speaker 2: in the Notebook and you like see her in interviews
Speaker 2: and yeah, every other character that she plays, it's like
Speaker 2: you can't reconcile the two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like she I remember seeing her in Wedding Crashes.
Speaker 1: I think was the one that I really noticed her
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, she is, like I can understand
Speaker 1: why she's cast in that role because she is like
Speaker 1: every guy, every straight guy would go, well, that's who
Speaker 1: I want to be my girlfriend.
Speaker 4: It's like that that girl.
Speaker 1: And then and she's kind of played a lot of
Speaker 1: those roles, and she's some diversity in her roles as
Speaker 1: far as she would strive for more interesting stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: later on in her career, but she certainly had that
Speaker 1: kind of she was the golden girl. For you know,
Speaker 1: a long time notebook and wedding crashes and so yeah,
Speaker 1: to see her and it's blonde with the blonde eyebrows
Speaker 1: as well. Is is really it's God to take you
Speaker 1: back a little bit. Amy Poehler is so so funny.
Speaker 1: Is the cool mum?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, the other one.
Speaker 1: Who makes me laugh a lot, like Tina fe is
Speaker 1: so good at She's obviously a very good joke writer,
Speaker 1: you know, through years of saturny in my life. But
Speaker 1: her ability the pepper that at the right moments, those
Speaker 1: assembly scenes with Tim Meadows, you know, playing I think
Speaker 1: he's the principal. They're just perfect jokes at the right time.
Speaker 1: They're never superfluous, you know, it's all still part of
Speaker 1: the plot and character Bill and it's just it's so good.
Speaker 2: It's genius. So I would watch it when we had
Speaker 2: it on DVD, and I remember being downstairs at my parents'
Speaker 2: house and there was this little tiny This is obviously
Speaker 2: before you could be streaming and like kind of like
Speaker 2: clicking exactly where you wanted to go in the movie.
Speaker 2: And there's this scene when Caddie goes to the Halloween
Speaker 2: party and she's dress up as the kind of like
Speaker 2: Vampire Bride and she walks outs this guy sitting on
Speaker 2: a sense and he sees her and he goes and
Speaker 2: like so backwards, Like it's the most stupid slapstick thing
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. But I just have to be really
Speaker 2: like clear memories of just going back and like making
Speaker 2: the CD go back and back and just actually saysical
Speaker 2: tunes like rolling down my cheeks. It's it's like a
Speaker 2: core memory of my childhood.
Speaker 1: Well, and that doesn't that doesn't surprise me because what
Speaker 1: I've observed of you with you the Summer's content that
Speaker 1: you pulled out into the world that you are like
Speaker 1: a celebrator of I think pop culture, you know, and
Speaker 1: and and you don't seem to me to be an
Speaker 1: overly cynical person. No, you you do embrace You embrace
Speaker 1: pop culture and a bit of silliness.
Speaker 2: I love silliness. I can't help myself. I think like,
Speaker 2: I've got a show with Flex Mummy on cater It's
Speaker 2: called Flex and Frooms, And kind of when we first
Speaker 2: started recording, I was like, oh, I've got to be
Speaker 2: a bit more cerebral. I've got to come with kind
Speaker 2: of like social dilemmas and talk about people's behavior, and
Speaker 2: now that we've been doing it for a year, I'm
Speaker 2: just like, that's just not my I can't. I find
Speaker 2: it really hard to like criticize things. I just would
Speaker 2: prefer to find the funny things happening or kind of
Speaker 2: like try to find a way to be entertaining as
Speaker 2: opposed to to I guess I'm just trying to find
Speaker 2: my own way to talk about issues or like discuss
Speaker 2: serious things, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: And I think I think it's really refreshing as people
Speaker 1: who and I've said the gravitation towards it, you know,
Speaker 1: people like you more recently because it's like I like
Speaker 1: people who. There's so much stuff to be down about,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's ways of doing comedy and you know,
Speaker 1: I've done it before where you tend to be angry
Speaker 1: about something that happens a lot, you know, but to
Speaker 1: find somebody who just is genuinely celebrating that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you can't be taking the piss and you know and
Speaker 1: all that. But you like Brendan cow you know, he's
Speaker 1: a friend of mine and we made a movie together,
Speaker 1: you know, in twenty ten, and he made like he
Speaker 1: loves his music and he made like a like little
Speaker 1: at the end of it wasn't quite the wrap party
Speaker 1: was the end of shoot party, and and he made
Speaker 1: like a mixed kind of tape which is was on
Speaker 1: CD at the time, and it had like bands, and
Speaker 1: I kind of thought when I saw, I thought he
Speaker 1: was kind of taking the piss. I thought, ah, like
Speaker 1: it had maybe it had like I'm making this up
Speaker 1: that like Duran, Duran and Kylie and you know, but
Speaker 1: also like Midlake and and you know, more recent bands
Speaker 1: and Bonavu and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: And I thought, are you taking the piss?
Speaker 1: Are you kind of saying that Midlake's cool but you
Speaker 1: know and durand and this is just a laugh at
Speaker 1: that and then and he's like, no, these are like
Speaker 1: genuinely brilliant songs that I love. And he's like, and
Speaker 1: I kind of thought, yeah, like you don't need to
Speaker 1: be cynical about, you know, everything, You can just celebrate
Speaker 1: celebrate it, you know, find the things you'd love, and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, celebrate it totally.
Speaker 2: I do sometimes like to. I think people who engage
Speaker 2: with the stuff that I've made think that I'm taking
Speaker 2: the piece out of everything as well, which is kind
Speaker 2: of a fun place to play, like I'll post I
Speaker 2: post songs on my story and like, I quite like
Speaker 2: the songs, but they're also kind of not guilty pleasures,
Speaker 2: but they're like old cuts of Australian pop music in
Speaker 2: the early two thousands, and something about them is so
Speaker 2: funny because one missing me saying, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you intend to be funny every time that you post
Speaker 2: these songs, but it just it hits.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's funny. The term guilty pleasures go.
Speaker 1: I've kind of almost I've started to kind of rally
Speaker 1: against that term in a way, and I think you
Speaker 1: almost alluded to it yourself. It's like, no, what, don't
Speaker 1: take guilt if it gives you pleasure, And I think
Speaker 1: it's part of us growing up. You kind of go, well,
Speaker 1: I it's a bit embarrassing that I you know that, I, like,
Speaker 1: I listened to so much bon Jovi growing up. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kind of like come to this own. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put in a little category over here because I
Speaker 1: want to. I'd rather people know that I listen to
Speaker 1: more of the National now than I bonjo But so
Speaker 1: I know they can all exist in the same head,
Speaker 1: you know, I can I can have you know, the
Speaker 1: latest national album in my head and still have space
Speaker 1: for living on a prayer.
Speaker 4: You know, it can still it can still be in there.
Speaker 2: I like to think that I'm pretty good at it too,
Speaker 2: Like I'm happy to listen to Britney Sears all their
Speaker 2: old classics. But I do find when I have people
Speaker 2: over for dinner, I struggle because I'm like, I've got
Speaker 2: to put on like something really low key but also
Speaker 2: kind of a bit R and B and all these
Speaker 2: kind of things that I just go back to the same.
Speaker 2: I can't even say the band is Karukabar Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I seen.
Speaker 1: I haven't committed to learning the pronunciation yet. I'm going
Speaker 1: to see they hang around for long enough.
Speaker 2: Exactly. I haven't even seen them live in concert, and
Speaker 2: everybody laughs when I say I for some reason, my
Speaker 2: brain can't wrap my hand around it. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: think I still do have a bit of like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, maybe the Brittany. You know, some songs actually
Speaker 2: are also just good to listen to on your own,
Speaker 2: Like I'm sure there's some Bonjo retracts that you want
Speaker 2: to be alone so you can fully kind of daydream
Speaker 2: with them.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, absolutely, and and to be honest,
Speaker 1: well I don't listen to them as much as I
Speaker 1: used to, but I will always go to the concert
Speaker 1: because the first concert I ever went to was bon
Speaker 1: Jovi in nineteen eighty eight, which is probably you you
Speaker 1: were born or not even born yet. So I kind
Speaker 1: of have this I often think of the like in life,
Speaker 1: not just as far as pop culture goes, but like
Speaker 1: the fourteen year old me and I kind of always
Speaker 1: have these little conversations with the fourteen year old me
Speaker 1: of like I think about what he would be thinking
Speaker 1: about what I'm doing now and all that. So musically,
Speaker 1: that kind of you know, is quite prevalent because it
Speaker 1: is like that, that's the years where I was learning
Speaker 1: about music and falling in love with music, and being
Speaker 1: my first concert, I'm like, no, I'm at a duty
Speaker 1: to my fourteen year old self.
Speaker 4: I will go see bon Jovi, you know, every time.
Speaker 1: And There's been conscerts where I've gone to and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: it was all right, you know, I wasn't into it.
Speaker 4: But the last love was at the MCG. It was great.
Speaker 4: I loved it, you know, and I was there with
Speaker 4: some of my family members and it was. Yeah, it
Speaker 4: was great.
Speaker 1: So speaking of celebrating and all your three films have joy.
Speaker 1: The next two Austin Powers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my number Well, that's my number one movie
Speaker 2: of all time, Austin Powers.
Speaker 4: Actually this is what in order one, two, three these
Speaker 4: so we stay with me and girls, But that was
Speaker 4: number two. Number one was Austin Powers.
Speaker 2: Yes, Austin Powers. I think it came out, did it
Speaker 2: covering like ninety eight? Maybe?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I reckon, Oh yes, I reckon around that time.
Speaker 1: I may have thought possibly at touched earlier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it was the first movie that I remember
Speaker 2: watching and the movie that is probably the I've probably
Speaker 2: watched it, yeah, the most through my childhood. I'd always
Speaker 2: come back to watch it. To me, it is the
Speaker 2: absolute perfect film. It hits all of my sensibilities in
Speaker 2: a way that nothing else has ever been created. Canon.
Speaker 2: I love the music sequence, I love the sixties fashion.
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a Mike Myers like obsessive. I I
Speaker 2: don't think he's ever done anything, but I don't think
Speaker 2: it's funny. I haven't seen like the Love Guru though,
Speaker 2: I've only really watched the Austin Powers and Wayne's World.
Speaker 2: But I will go back. I went back and watched
Speaker 2: All Some Powers about a year ago, thinking oh, would
Speaker 2: be really outdated and I wouldn't find it funny by
Speaker 2: you know, when you've watched something, are you engage with art?
Speaker 2: I will call it art and you're like, wow, I
Speaker 2: see how this has impluenced my life. I see how
Speaker 2: this influenced my comedy and kind of so much of
Speaker 2: my life that's been influenced by Austin Powers, like the
Speaker 2: poor humor, the blue humor, everything about it. And yeah,
Speaker 2: obviously it's got a nossalgic element again, but yeah, it's
Speaker 2: pretty amazing when you find something that was kind of
Speaker 2: the first thing you ever watched and you realize, wow,
Speaker 2: this has had quite a sizeable effect on the stuff
Speaker 2: that I make.
Speaker 4: I guess yeah, And I.
Speaker 1: Want to pick your up on something because I'm interested
Speaker 1: in exploring this. You mentioned poor humor, like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: do not be embarrassed because I love poo humor and
Speaker 1: I was literally speaking to some comedians about it yesterday
Speaker 1: and I detest anybody who does not enjoy who humor,
Speaker 1: Like I am, get over yourselves.
Speaker 4: What do you find? Because while is often like really
Speaker 4: curious as to why I find somebody like shitting themselves
Speaker 4: so funny, like you know, in a very wearly kind
Speaker 4: of why he wants to dig deep into my psyche
Speaker 4: and says, what is it? What is it? And I
Speaker 4: say to him because as an adult, it's less funny
Speaker 4: for kitschens his pants.
Speaker 1: But as an adult, you know this shouldn't happen. So
Speaker 1: you were going to remember this day for the rest
Speaker 1: of your life. Like you, there's panic involved, there's emotions,
Speaker 1: there's probably it's triggering probably from it. You know, a
Speaker 1: childhood point of view, is probably trauma involved. But there's
Speaker 1: a situation that you need to kind of create an
Speaker 1: exit strategy, like there's an escape plane.
Speaker 4: That needs to be hatched. There are so exactly exactly
Speaker 4: I sincerely and I was I and I've spoken to
Speaker 4: people who you know, even here in my heart radio,
Speaker 4: and you know, I'm not sure how keen they are,
Speaker 4: but I am keen to do a podcast called Whoops,
Speaker 4: I Shat my Pants.
Speaker 1: And it's just it's just people telling stories about the
Speaker 1: time they shat their pants.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying it's for everyone. I've got a
Speaker 4: feeling you would listen to it.
Speaker 2: I thought when like, count me on as the first
Speaker 2: guest and I'll share everything. Did I apprecihim? I that
Speaker 2: I've experienced in my life. Honestly, I saw him to
Speaker 2: you the other day, which was like, I don't get
Speaker 2: people who don't find sart's funny. It's like you still
Speaker 2: do them, but you don't get any joy out of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like it's I
Speaker 4: remember I used to. I used to.
Speaker 1: One of the joys that I had growing up was
Speaker 1: like farting into a phone, which makes no sense because
Speaker 1: the other person down the other end all their hearing
Speaker 1: is like a little bit of distortion and you are
Speaker 1: left with the putrid smell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Pete. I literally yesterday it was on FaceTime
Speaker 2: with my mum, as it got to a bit in
Speaker 2: the conversation where it's like we had nothing to say,
Speaker 2: so obviously like I farted into the phone and yeah,
Speaker 2: she was like, what was that if? I didn't even register? Right,
Speaker 2: I am twenty eight years old, like this is Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of at the stage where I talk about
Speaker 2: it on my radio show, like I want to graduate
Speaker 2: from Pusuma, and yet it is such an integral part
Speaker 2: of my personality that I think it's what's it called
Speaker 2: when something's not fruitful, it's futile. Futile exercise.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really encourage you not to move on that.
Speaker 1: Like a good mate of mine previous guests on this podcast,
Speaker 1: Ben Hurley, he's a great New Zealand comedian. He's in
Speaker 1: a few more shows, and he said, I've noticed every
Speaker 1: every there's always one routine about Pooh in your shows.
Speaker 1: I said, to be honest, sometimes I've got like a
Speaker 1: backlog of like Pooh routines. But like because I feel
Speaker 1: like if you do too much of it in one show,
Speaker 1: like you lose parts of the audience. But if you
Speaker 1: if you if you time it right and it's it's
Speaker 1: a good enough for routine, you know you can do
Speaker 1: you talk it for enough and then you know eventually
Speaker 1: you move on, Like you can't kind of you can't
Speaker 1: keep going back to the Pooh well in the same show.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna got pool routines locked in until about
Speaker 1: twenty thirty two.
Speaker 2: That's important. We all meet somewhere to Oh. I actually
Speaker 2: find like I find it disgusting. It's weird. When I
Speaker 2: think of Pooh, I think of the emoji you have
Speaker 2: quite an immature, like kind of cute kind of relationship
Speaker 2: to poo. Yeah, whereas the shitting of the pants, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the reality of it is actually quite terrifying.
Speaker 1: It's traumatic, and it's like if you shit your pants,
Speaker 1: you know that day, Like it's never gonna be not
Speaker 1: in your memory unless you know, like you psychologically this
Speaker 1: can block it out somehow, but it's like, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: always gonna You're aways gonna know. And there are people
Speaker 1: I love, people who speak quite openly about like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, as an adult, I've never shot my pants,
Speaker 1: but I there are people I know. I've got a
Speaker 1: brother in law who just he's got twenty stories about
Speaker 1: as an adult, him shooting his pants, and he quite
Speaker 1: openly like tells the story, like you'll meet him and
Speaker 1: within three minutes he's telling you about the time he
Speaker 1: shod his pants.
Speaker 2: Over dinner.
Speaker 4: Over dinner anywhere. It could be in church, you could
Speaker 4: be a wedding, or something could be at the funeral in.
Speaker 2: His seems like no food to people that don't be
Speaker 2: a romantic setting.
Speaker 4: I mean, there are times sometimes you have to stop
Speaker 4: the comment you okay, let's not now, not now. I
Speaker 4: said something.
Speaker 1: I remember the other day of my one of my
Speaker 1: sons when he was like five, and he said to me,
Speaker 1: I got a bit of a whiff, and you know,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh.
Speaker 4: Mate, do you need to go to the toilet? He
Speaker 4: goes no, No, I said, no, I think it. I
Speaker 4: think you do.
Speaker 1: I said, give me a look, give me like a look.
Speaker 1: And there was like shit in his pants. He said, mate,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Like you know, you know you
Speaker 1: need to go to the bathroom. You're five And he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: it was just a shot. I'm mate, No, you give
Speaker 1: me understood. A shot is always an accident. It's not
Speaker 1: a choice.
Speaker 4: You don't go. This is a shot.
Speaker 1: I'm going to let this one through. No, it's a
Speaker 1: complete misunderstanding of what a shot is.
Speaker 4: He needs an education, he really does. He really. All right,
Speaker 4: let's move on to your third film.
Speaker 1: Before we get into the film, we're here to talk
Speaker 1: about a movie that took all before, it won the Oscar,
Speaker 1: everything everywhere, all at once.
Speaker 4: I saw this at the cinema with that knowing much.
Speaker 4: I saw the trailer and thought that looks really interesting
Speaker 4: and was bloody hell was I blown away? What a
Speaker 4: joyous beautiful movie.
Speaker 2: I did the exact same thing. I didn't know anything about.
Speaker 2: It was here in Heaps of Hip, so I went,
Speaker 2: I just have this memory of feeling like my chest
Speaker 2: was being gripped of this kind of like being gripped
Speaker 2: by the emotion of that film and the kind of
Speaker 2: crescendo of when the mum and the daughter are kind
Speaker 2: of like there's this tension of them finding the whole
Speaker 2: way through and then when at this kind of like
Speaker 2: juncture junction they come together and there's this kind of
Speaker 2: like fight between them, but this really like deep love
Speaker 2: that I feel they had to go through all of
Speaker 2: this remarold to find it. And I thought as well,
Speaker 2: it was like a really beautiful illustration of you know,
Speaker 2: the daughter is quite nihilistic and she's depressed, and I
Speaker 2: thought it was a really beautiful illustration of her coming
Speaker 2: out of it. Or to me, it was a fantastical
Speaker 2: just yeah, illustration of so many big emotions in a
Speaker 2: way that was so fun and so creative and you
Speaker 2: just had to Yeah, it blew me away. I was crying.
Speaker 2: I find it really I find crying embarrassing, Like I
Speaker 2: struggle with it, especially in public, like if I'm crying
Speaker 2: in a movie. I'm like, this is like my shouting experience,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I'd prefer to shout in
Speaker 2: the movie then cry. Okay, here I was like I
Speaker 2: was a wreck and I just had that emotion of
Speaker 2: being like I want everyone to go and watch this movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was such a special movie.
Speaker 1: And when we're watching a game, well, this is a
Speaker 1: fun film, Like it's bonkers and it's got some crazy ideas, and.
Speaker 4: But you're right about like.
Speaker 1: That those moments between the mother and the daughter, And
Speaker 1: for me it was it was her husband and her
Speaker 1: when she The moment that got me that I thought
Speaker 1: this has gone from like a fun, crazy film to
Speaker 1: like something that actually has gotten into, you know, inside
Speaker 1: of me was when he said, you see my kindness
Speaker 1: as a weakness, but it's actually a strategy.
Speaker 4: And I think that is such a beautiful message at this.
Speaker 1: Time and and you know, in history to put out there,
Speaker 1: because again we've spoken about cynicism and there's so much
Speaker 1: vitriol and hate and and and kindness is often seen
Speaker 1: as as.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like cute and.
Speaker 1: Disposable in a way, and and not as as a
Speaker 1: way of actually navigating life. You know, it's just like
Speaker 1: you know, almost like oh well, it's nice to be kind,
Speaker 1: but to really get through life you need to be
Speaker 1: an asshole or do this and do that. So for
Speaker 1: him to point out that, to be honest, it's it's like,
Speaker 1: it's not when Cate Blanchett pointed out when she wanted
Speaker 1: Anosci years ago that casting women in you know, as
Speaker 1: leads and good roles is not just a nice thing
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 4: It is actually it is financially rewarding.
Speaker 1: Like there's an audience for this, so actually, don't if
Speaker 1: you don't want anything to see there's like the right
Speaker 1: thing to do. See it as economically, you know, a
Speaker 1: positive thing and you know, a forceful thing to do.
Speaker 1: You'll make money. And it's like it's like this, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: if you're kind, it's not just about oh well, you know,
Speaker 1: people will like you. It's actually about it. It's a
Speaker 1: way of actually navigating life. It's not just you know,
Speaker 1: it's not flimsy. It's actually a considered choice.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, and often think about people who have like
Speaker 2: been you really traumatous experiences or you know that I've
Speaker 2: seen in the media or I've seen in my life
Speaker 2: and It always strikes you when they are very very kind,
Speaker 2: because I think to myself, Oh, you're someone who you know,
Speaker 2: should be allowed to be upset with the world and
Speaker 2: kind of yeah, put out. And you're the kindest, most
Speaker 2: kind of patient person that I know. Yeah, And that's
Speaker 2: always very touching and kind of Yeah, it's inspiring to
Speaker 2: make you want to be like, oh, you know this,
Speaker 2: this is easy and it makes other people feel Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's inspiring.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I say to Dan McPherson, who's you know, he was
Speaker 1: in neighbors and he's a great actor and lovely, lovely
Speaker 1: bloke and one of the best looking humans I've seen.
Speaker 1: And I remember always saying to him. I say to him,
Speaker 1: if I if I look like you, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: as nice as you. It would actually get to my
Speaker 1: head a little bit. I said, I can't. I need
Speaker 1: to kind of like my kindness is it has to
Speaker 1: be a strategy. I can't get away with beg an asshole.
Speaker 1: So if I was you, then I would be like,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Fuck this, I don't have time.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's talk about this incredible film from nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty directed by Alfred Hitchcock. It is a movie that
Speaker 1: has lived in the public Psyche since the day it
Speaker 1: was released.
Speaker 4: Frooms, did you enjoy Psycho?
Speaker 2: I really, I didn't have any expectations. I went into
Speaker 2: this in a work scenario, thinking I don't have any
Speaker 2: choice but to finish this movie. And from the first
Speaker 2: like five minutes, I was into it. Oh yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: So I didn't realize I've got a really bad habit.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've interviewed other people that do this of
Speaker 2: like googling through movies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's really.
Speaker 2: I think because I was watching it by myself, so
Speaker 2: I know, I didn't have anyone to be like, stop
Speaker 2: doing that, stop doing that. But I googled the main
Speaker 2: woman straight away and realized it was Jamie Lee Curtis's mum. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, like I would
Speaker 2: not have even I don't even really think they looked similar.
Speaker 2: And I deal with her because I really liked her
Speaker 2: performance from the start, like I found her really, you know,
Speaker 2: I was intrigued by her, and I thought, I now
Speaker 2: I think that I noticed the movie. I was like,
Speaker 2: all the acting, I think is really great, and I
Speaker 2: think a lot of the stuff that I've seen from
Speaker 2: that era, which admittedly isn't much. The acting in those
Speaker 2: kind of movies feel so different to realistic acting now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so for it to be kind of believable, oh this
Speaker 2: is this feels modern or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you get sometimes even within a movie, you get
Speaker 1: those performances which feel like they are of that certain
Speaker 1: acting style. And then sometimes occasionally you get even one
Speaker 1: performance within.
Speaker 4: That movie that you're going to go, well that person.
Speaker 4: I think there's one for me memory in It's a
Speaker 4: Wonderful Life where somebody it's not James Stewart, but it's
Speaker 4: one of the actresses who just feels like they are
Speaker 4: Could you could step into the screen in twenty twenty
Speaker 4: three and not have to change that much about your
Speaker 4: style of acting, But it's very rare. But I agree.
Speaker 1: I think performances here are really good, you know, and
Speaker 1: I think they're just you know, unsurprisingly, there are smart
Speaker 1: choices made the whole way through.
Speaker 4: So what was really interesting for me was the star.
Speaker 1: So you had this bird's eye view of Phoenix, Arizona,
Speaker 1: and there's a we'll get to the bird motif throughout
Speaker 1: this film, which obviously is reasonably important, and then you
Speaker 1: go into this hotel room and to see this little
Speaker 1: rendezvous and they give you a time and which is Friday,
Speaker 1: December eleven, two forty three. I think it was, which
Speaker 1: I thought was interesting, I'm sure of you, like the
Speaker 1: Coen Brothers did with Fargo, where they had based on
Speaker 1: a true story even though it wasn't And I thought
Speaker 1: the reason for doing it was to make it feel
Speaker 1: like in nineteen sixty, to make it feel oh, this
Speaker 1: is this is like, maybe this is true, and to
Speaker 1: give it a sense of time and place and and
Speaker 1: oh this actually happened, even though I believe the book
Speaker 1: was based on on a on a real story, but
Speaker 1: this is it is the work of fiction. But did
Speaker 1: you did you kind of think about what that meant?
Speaker 1: Did a meaning thing to you? To give that make
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 4: Why is there? Why are they timestamping this at all?
Speaker 2: I should got this?
Speaker 4: Which is fair enough?
Speaker 1: This is like this is always say always say that
Speaker 1: people on this podcast have watched a movie generally once.
Speaker 4: Occasionally somebody will give it a second view, so you
Speaker 4: are still processing it. Well.
Speaker 1: The only reason I can tell you that they actually
Speaker 1: had the time stamp because I thought it's a really
Speaker 1: clever move, because it makes you think, oh, this is
Speaker 1: maybe this is a true story. Was when she's driving
Speaker 1: later on, in the background there's some Christmas decorations. So
Speaker 1: Hitchcock thought, well, all of time stamp that's in December
Speaker 1: and that, you know, so that they kind of explained.
Speaker 1: I didn't even notice the Christmas decorations, to be honest,
Speaker 1: but that's the reason it's there. But we do go
Speaker 1: into this hotel room and we find maryon crane with
Speaker 1: Sam and they're having a bit of a rendezvous.
Speaker 4: What were your what do you think of that?
Speaker 1: And this is this is nineteen sixty, so this is like,
Speaker 1: this is these are scenes that we had to be
Speaker 1: you know, past the censor and then there's a whole
Speaker 1: story in regards to that.
Speaker 4: But you know, it was it was you know, it
Speaker 4: was is resourced for nineteen sixty. She's lying on the.
Speaker 2: Bed Brasi air out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the first thing I noticed from that scene, the
Speaker 2: one with the one thing that I remembered that kind
Speaker 2: of I thought, oh, maybe this is Obviously I'd heard
Speaker 2: Alfred Hitchcock a million times, but I didn't really know anything.
Speaker 2: I've never seen any of these other films, didn't know
Speaker 2: why it was so famous that there. So thing I
Speaker 2: noticed was the panning shot where they panned like directly
Speaker 2: into the window and then through the window into the room,
Speaker 2: and I thought, oh my god, that would have been
Speaker 2: so hard to do at that time to get it
Speaker 2: that smooth. So I said, oh, that's a that's a feat. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mainly I'm so I've been watching a lot of
Speaker 2: Sex in the City, so I think I'm just immune
Speaker 2: to any kind of like racy scene, Like everything looks
Speaker 2: so pg compared to that. Like I watched Second the
Speaker 2: City straight after to like cleanse my mind of the scariness.
Speaker 1: Well, what was I thought was interesting because I think
Speaker 1: when you first go in there, you think there's some
Speaker 1: kind of a sort of affair going on here, like
Speaker 1: that there's it's an affair as far as there's a
Speaker 1: third party that is unaware of that this is happening.
Speaker 1: But I think that again, he makes these smart choices,
Speaker 1: and I guess I've writer did where because we don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of time. You know, this gets going
Speaker 1: pretty quickly, this whole story, and we want to like Mary,
Speaker 1: we need to like Marian because she's about to do something,
Speaker 1: you know, criminal.
Speaker 4: So I think at first we are.
Speaker 1: He lets us for about a middle or to think
Speaker 1: that this is maybe, you know, something a bit controversial
Speaker 1: is happening here, and then you realize, oh, no, he's
Speaker 1: a divorcee and he've got some financial issue issues, and
Speaker 1: you know, she's she just wants to this to be
Speaker 1: the next time we will have dinner, you know, we'll
Speaker 1: have lunch with my sister. And so there's actually nothing
Speaker 1: controversial really about it as far as you know, just
Speaker 1: I mean, and if this is made in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: wouldn't wouldn't even blink at the beginning of that, we
Speaker 1: wouldn't go, well, there's an effect, you know, we wouldn't worry.
Speaker 2: About what up? Did you guys mean on? Give us
Speaker 2: the tea?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then so he's kind of like he is protecting
Speaker 1: Marian from, you know, the harsh judgments which would have
Speaker 1: been harsher in nineteen sixty, even to the point where
Speaker 1: the guy who comes in with the forty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: is the biggest jerk, like in the world, like she's
Speaker 1: about to steal his money. But so he makes it
Speaker 1: very clear that we don't like this guy's awful, he's
Speaker 1: a sleeze he's got forty.
Speaker 4: Doesn't mean much to him, so we kind of forgive
Speaker 4: her for that crime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's surprisingly at the start though, I didn't think
Speaker 2: that she was going to take the money, even when
Speaker 2: she was driving away. Oh, it was only at a
Speaker 2: certain point that I realized, oh, she's actually going to
Speaker 2: run away with it. Like it kind of dawned on me,
Speaker 2: probably a bit later than it should have. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that guy, he I didn't feel bad at all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: exactly because you're like, oh, it's like when someone flaunts money, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then he's a tight us. You're like, well, you's like,
Speaker 2: I've just gone through the ridden role of like having
Speaker 2: to appease your ego, so I should be compensated, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like the difference, like if you can imagine
Speaker 1: somebody coming in with hat in hand, and this is
Speaker 1: out of forty thousand dollars and they need this, they're
Speaker 1: investing this, so hopefully it works that they can pay
Speaker 1: off the you know, pay for the farm or whatever
Speaker 1: it might be. That's a very different They put you
Speaker 1: in a very different headspace towards Marion. But because we're
Speaker 1: presented with this horrendous man, we're like yeah, go for it,
Speaker 1: taking forty thousand dollars. Where we are on team Marian
Speaker 1: right now. So and then and also like later on
Speaker 1: when she she's she's going to leave the hotel to
Speaker 1: go back, and and like she even said before her demise,
Speaker 1: she's actually kind of said she she's going back to
Speaker 1: make untangle herself in the trap that she got herself into.
Speaker 1: So there's even even up until that point, hitchcocky is
Speaker 1: you know, we are always on team Marian totally totally.
Speaker 1: And she gets obviously, she leaves, she gets seen by
Speaker 1: the boss, her boss, and then pulled over by the cop.
Speaker 1: Which the CoP's not very he's investigation of her. Like
Speaker 1: he gets the number five. I'm not sure what he does.
Speaker 4: He gets the license, he looks at the number plate,
Speaker 4: and then then she just drives off. I mean, I
Speaker 4: know that's what I was.
Speaker 2: I was waiting for him to come back and you know,
Speaker 2: put all the pieces together, but.
Speaker 4: He just yeah, as to go. She goes.
Speaker 1: But then he kind of sees her trading in this
Speaker 1: car and stands on the other side of the road
Speaker 1: just looking over. It's a very quick trading, by the way.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wish you can't rent a car that quickly.
Speaker 2: O Life's the line? Itch is like he's never the
Speaker 2: car salesman, had like never felt that much pressure on
Speaker 2: the had never been on the receiving end. Is that
Speaker 2: much pressure?
Speaker 1: I see the miss in I've got a real thing.
Speaker 1: I do a return to the show. I think at
Speaker 1: the moment, deconstructed our gaming. I'm still playing Perth. How
Speaker 1: about we're coming to you soon? Well, I talk about
Speaker 1: how long it takes a check into hotels, like considering
Speaker 1: they all have your everything, everything they could possibly need.
Speaker 1: Is is they have when you book the hotel, and
Speaker 1: then they take a long time when you're checking in.
Speaker 1: But I think the car rental industry have seen that
Speaker 1: and gone I think we can do worse than you
Speaker 1: because I feel like when you go rent a car,
Speaker 1: it's very simple. Again, you have my details, I booked
Speaker 1: the car, I assume the car is there. Just give
Speaker 1: me the keys and it's it's like I feel like
Speaker 1: to work in the car rental industry, like you can't
Speaker 1: type like that. They must like test your typing and
Speaker 1: if you type too fast you're not allowed to work.
Speaker 4: It's like they will just it's just like one finger
Speaker 4: typing at budget or hurts you know it really it is.
Speaker 1: I've had a few infuriating experiences with car rental places recently,
Speaker 1: but I won't let that still time from talking about Psycho.
Speaker 4: Then they so let's get to the Baits, the Baits motel,
Speaker 4: hotel motor. I think it's a motel.
Speaker 1: When you met Norman Baits, did you know we'll get
Speaker 1: to We'll get to the twist later.
Speaker 4: But do you know like the twist? Did you know,
Speaker 4: like you near the shower scene? Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The next big thing to know is the twisted Were
Speaker 4: you aware?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 4: Do you think his mother was up in the the
Speaker 4: in that house?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 2: I ruined the surprise though for me because I watched
Speaker 2: the movie in two parts. I watched it two nights
Speaker 2: ago and then I watched it the second half last night.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: In the bath and my apartment is like a nineteen
Speaker 2: forties kind of brick. It's got the bathroom is untouched.
Speaker 2: It's the same bathtub since back then. And I think
Speaker 2: the motel looks kind of forties ish, even though it
Speaker 2: was said in the sixties. It kind of looks like
Speaker 2: a rundown that kind of eeric type of thing. And
Speaker 2: the reason I don't I don't have a showercun because
Speaker 2: of the movie. So obviously it's been deep and less
Speaker 2: psyche for a long time.
Speaker 4: Is that is that true?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I can't have a showercut and that's terrifying.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah it is apparently, like yeah, like people having showers.
Speaker 1: It had like a massive impact on women having showers.
Speaker 1: Janet ly I would not have a shower for years,
Speaker 1: like really yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I had a massive
Speaker 1: impact on her.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so I figured out that the second twist
Speaker 2: because I was looking at Norman Baits and I was like,
Speaker 2: he kind of looks samiliar. And my cousin had sent
Speaker 2: me a picture of my dad when he was young
Speaker 2: the day before and I'll show you just so you
Speaker 2: can I can get you or actually picking they were
Speaker 2: kind of similar, both kind of dark hair, skinny type looking.
Speaker 2: Here we go, so here's Norman Baits, you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's him, and then my dad. Look my dad kind
Speaker 2: of looks like a serial killer, but that's similar, right, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: types look.
Speaker 1: In fact, he's yeah, and you're right, he's giving off
Speaker 1: like a Steelia serial killer looked more so than Norman
Speaker 1: Baits in that phone. I'm not sure it's Norman Bates
Speaker 1: or just Anthony Perkins. I'm not sure if Anthony Perkins's
Speaker 1: character there.
Speaker 4: But wow.
Speaker 2: Also his Anthony Perkkin's like in heaps of other movies
Speaker 2: when he's older.
Speaker 4: He didn't have He came back and did Psycho two.
Speaker 4: I think Psycho three as well. He's insane.
Speaker 1: He worked a lot, but there's nothing, there's nothing that
Speaker 1: particularly stands out that that would rival anywhere close to
Speaker 1: Psycho in his career.
Speaker 4: So he worked, but nothing that kind of was, you know,
Speaker 4: your Norman Baates level.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why. That's how I came to twist, because
Speaker 2: then I started looking at photos of this Anthony guy
Speaker 2: and I saw him in the other part of the movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, which is a.
Speaker 2: Bit disappointing because I'm not sure I would have seen
Speaker 2: it coming. I was a bit like daf through this
Speaker 2: n't me to be honest.
Speaker 1: Well, it's so I was so interested because I watched
Speaker 1: this in my teenage years and I knew there was
Speaker 1: something to do with the mother. Soide I don't forget
Speaker 1: if I completely saw it as a twist or not
Speaker 1: or like if it worked on me. But yeah, now
Speaker 1: now sixty three years after the movie was made, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder how many people will still you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know that there's I mean, the fact is that
Speaker 1: there are there are You do hear the mother talking,
Speaker 1: you know, like you do hear?
Speaker 4: And that wasn't Anthony Perkins talking.
Speaker 1: That they got I think three different actresses and they
Speaker 1: kind of mixed in a mix of all three of them, so.
Speaker 4: There is like I'm not sure, I'm not sure if
Speaker 4: that's cheating. I don't know. I think it is because
Speaker 4: where's the audience hearing that. I feel like potentially that
Speaker 4: Anthony Perkins should be made to do that voice.
Speaker 2: I think so true. Maybe the one kind of tiny
Speaker 2: giveaway was that it was so loud like Marion was
Speaker 2: hearing it from down in the thing, but it sounded
Speaker 2: like she was in the next room. Yes, and maybe
Speaker 2: that was a bit of a giveaway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, actually let's have listened to This is the
Speaker 1: mother and the Norman arguing from inside the mansion.
Speaker 5: No, I tell you no, I won't have you bringing
Speaker 5: strange young girls and Patapa by handle light I suppose,
Speaker 5: and the cheap paratic fashion of young men with cheap barotic.
Speaker 3: Mind father, please?
Speaker 5: And then what after Sapa music with Firs.
Speaker 6: Whether she's just a stranger, she's hungry and it's raining out,
Speaker 6: mat it, she's.
Speaker 5: Just a stranger as this man, no desire strangers. Oh,
Speaker 5: I refuse to speak of disgusting things because they distrust me.
Speaker 2: You understand, boy, Go on, go tell us.
Speaker 5: You'll not be a peating her ugly appetite.
Speaker 4: With my oh my son?
Speaker 5: Or do I have to tell her because you don't
Speaker 5: have the guts? Ah, boy, you have the Dutch boy?
Speaker 7: Shut up?
Speaker 3: Shut up.
Speaker 1: There is almost overlap in a weird way, which kind
Speaker 1: of I don't know. I feel like it's confusing. It's
Speaker 1: confusing that they're like, are we to believe that Norman
Speaker 1: Bates is a well?
Speaker 4: I guess we find it later on. I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess it's not a performance. It's actually it is
Speaker 1: like it is. It's a schizophrenia, I guess. But the
Speaker 1: fact that there's almost like a tiny bit of overlap
Speaker 1: make you know, I don't like because it does like
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, obviously it's a mental condition that
Speaker 1: he has to find out later, but he still can't
Speaker 1: he still needs to be talking as Norman and then
Speaker 1: talking as the mother.
Speaker 4: He can't be doing it at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe if he had snapchat back then then it
Speaker 2: was like okay, but no one can modulate their Voicelier. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was so surprised though, with the movie that the
Speaker 2: shower scene was so early on.
Speaker 4: I think that's what intrigues me exactly what I was
Speaker 4: going to ask you about.
Speaker 1: And this shocked audiences in nineteen sixty generally was a
Speaker 1: big star and it was deliberately cast. Hitchcock deliberately cast
Speaker 1: a big star because you don't you know, particularly back then,
Speaker 1: you didn't. This is a pregame of thrones. Obviously, you
Speaker 1: don't kill off main characters and big stars. And this happens,
Speaker 1: like you know, through a third of the movie before.
Speaker 1: This happened so often with iconic moments, and when people
Speaker 1: watching films for the first time, I often wonder, did
Speaker 1: the moment that you were waiting for happen when you're
Speaker 1: expecting and I would I be writing suggesting you may
Speaker 1: have thought this happened in the climax of the film.
Speaker 2: Yes, at the very end, like it ends with her dying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the last scene.
Speaker 1: I'd seen this film and I knew it happened like
Speaker 1: earlier than you'd expect, But even watching it.
Speaker 4: Last night, I was like, this happens really quickly.
Speaker 2: She said bye?
Speaker 4: And what were you What were you thinking?
Speaker 2: What was it?
Speaker 4: Tense?
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 4: How are you feeling watching the shower scene.
Speaker 2: I thought it would be more gruesome than it was.
Speaker 2: I quite liked it felt quite restrained, like when no
Speaker 2: one walks back into the room to kind of clean
Speaker 2: her up, you barely see her. I thought that the
Speaker 2: feeling of that was really interesting because she's always below
Speaker 2: the camera. But I thought it was well done.
Speaker 1: Well it took it took seven days, I can tell
Speaker 1: you for rooms, it took seven days to shoot seventy
Speaker 1: different camera setups. There were ninety edits or like fast cuts.
Speaker 1: The stabbing sound was the sound of a knife stabbing
Speaker 1: a watermelon. Well, they used blood. The blood was chocolate syrup.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons why he wanted to
Speaker 1: shoot in black and white, because he knew that he
Speaker 1: wanted it to be quite glory, and he knew he
Speaker 1: would have trouble getting it across the sensor if it
Speaker 1: was in color. Generally, he was also supposed to have contacts,
Speaker 1: but it took back then, It took a long time
Speaker 1: to kind of have these contacts made and deliver, so
Speaker 1: they didn't have the time because I must if you
Speaker 1: notice that when you go, it's a great transition shot
Speaker 1: from the plug or the drain of the bath into
Speaker 1: her eye she's lying down. It's a great shot and
Speaker 1: it holds on it for a long time. And they
Speaker 1: had no like there's no post production where you back
Speaker 1: then where you could kind of like do some tricks.
Speaker 1: But there's a tiny little flicker to the point where
Speaker 1: I think the first time I saw it, I was like.
Speaker 4: Oh, she's alive. Yeah, yeah, but she is she is dead.
Speaker 1: It was the first time a nude model, like a
Speaker 1: standing model was used a body double, and there was
Speaker 1: massive There was massive like when the senses came in.
Speaker 1: There were six men who had to kind of decide
Speaker 1: whether this was going to be allowed, and three of
Speaker 1: them said they could see nudity, and three of them
Speaker 1: said they didn't see any nudity. So they sent a
Speaker 1: memo back to Hitchcock saying can you remove the nudity?
Speaker 1: And hitch Cock did decide not to do it. Didn't
Speaker 1: touch it at all. Anybody wrote a memo back a
Speaker 1: few days later saying, yes, I've removed all the nudity.
Speaker 1: And they watched it again and the three people who
Speaker 1: said they saw the nudity said, yet, no, it's not
Speaker 1: there anymore. But the other three who said they didn't
Speaker 1: see the nudity were now seeing nudity. What So, it
Speaker 1: was a weird And it means it scenes working because
Speaker 1: it's like the tricks he has played on your mind
Speaker 1: and what you think you are seeing is quite incredible.
Speaker 1: And the combination of that fast editing and the score
Speaker 1: which is incredible. Yeah, it's it's such a it's such
Speaker 1: a brilliantly executed I mean. And when you think about
Speaker 1: the camera equipment, that's what they said, like seventy different
Speaker 1: camera setups. You got that scene of the shama falling
Speaker 1: down like you're looking up at it. This is equipment
Speaker 1: that wasn't waterproof. They had to design shower heads that
Speaker 1: kind of came, you know, like sprayed, not straight down
Speaker 1: into the camera, like you can imagine that shot. Now
Speaker 1: you might have the you know, water falling into the
Speaker 1: camera and you get away with that, but now you
Speaker 1: have to like protect the lighting and the cameras, you know,
Speaker 1: because seven days you probably.
Speaker 4: Shoot that now in two days, I imagine with the
Speaker 4: speed they can move.
Speaker 1: And the other interesting thing about this scene, and it's
Speaker 1: quite a tragic detail, there was a body double called
Speaker 1: Marley Renfro who was the so she's the body double,
Speaker 1: and she became quite famous as a result of this.
Speaker 1: She was on the Playboy cover in nineteen sixty. It
Speaker 1: was reported that she was murdered in the late eighties.
Speaker 1: I believe raped the murdered, but it turns out that
Speaker 1: it wasn't her. It was another woman called Mara Davis,
Speaker 1: who was the body standing for the lighting checks. So
Speaker 1: not only they had the body double for Janetly, they
Speaker 1: also had a body standing for the lighting checks, and
Speaker 1: these two women were often people got confused, you know,
Speaker 1: they went sure which one did what, and sadly, a
Speaker 1: psycho obsessive basically killed Mara Davis thinking it was Marley Renfro.
Speaker 1: He wanted to kill the body that he had seen
Speaker 1: be murdered on film in psycho. Really yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: really horror. Yeah, that's shocking and another you know, kind
Speaker 1: of creepiness. So already pretty creepy scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's the kind of movie that, you know,
Speaker 2: there's like Alfred hitch Stuck. They'd be kind of like
Speaker 2: mega fans stuff like people that are obsessed with because
Speaker 2: he was kind of like the pioneer of horror or something.
Speaker 1: Yes, suspense, and this was kind of scene as you know,
Speaker 1: he wanted this. He kept everything so quiet and he
Speaker 1: wanted this to kind of that's why he started with
Speaker 1: it like that's you know, we'll call it the sex scene,
Speaker 1: because he wanted the people to think he was just
Speaker 1: making this tawdry, kind of little you know, b Gray
Speaker 1: kind of you know, kind of flick with you know,
Speaker 1: had some horror and some gore and sex and you
Speaker 1: know it was tantalizing and titillating, and he kept everything
Speaker 1: really really quiet. So there's a real kind of appetite.
Speaker 1: Even though Paramount, who hitch I had to deal with,
Speaker 1: hated the film. They didn't think it worked. They kind
Speaker 1: of said they didn't fund it. Hitchcock ended up funding
Speaker 1: a lot of the film by himself. They shouted at
Speaker 1: the Universal a lot which famously, now that you can
Speaker 1: you go on the Universal Tour and the Baits House
Speaker 1: is like you wanted the mate you know that enjoys
Speaker 1: the probably the two things you kind of remember and
Speaker 1: the flash flood, of course.
Speaker 4: But so the previews didn't go great.
Speaker 1: And then Hitchcock this, you know, he did this thing
Speaker 1: where he put out this videos or videos or film
Speaker 1: or trailers kind of saying that please do not discuss
Speaker 1: the ending of this film. You know, if you've seen it,
Speaker 1: we only have one ending. And if you if you
Speaker 1: were late to the cinema, you are not allowed in.
Speaker 1: You know, whether you are the Queen of England, the
Speaker 1: President of the United States, if you are late, you
Speaker 1: had not And they kind of policed it, they kind
Speaker 1: of made sure that cinema owners were actually policing that
Speaker 1: rule that you were not allowed in. So and it
Speaker 1: opens massively and it becomes, you know, you know, a huge,
Speaker 1: massive film, and a Paramount executive did say that they
Speaker 1: were before it opened that they were relieved that the
Speaker 1: Paramount logo was not on the front of the movie.
Speaker 4: It was universal. So lots of egg on, a lot
Speaker 4: of faces. So do you.
Speaker 1: You see the silhouette of whoever it is, you know
Speaker 1: now it's Norman Bates. Did you what were you thinking?
Speaker 4: Were you thinking did you know at this stage, where
Speaker 4: were you in your little Google searching?
Speaker 2: I didn't Googled yet, so I sully thought it was
Speaker 2: the mother and no one's bes cute, like he's got
Speaker 2: her a sandwich, and I guess when he looks through
Speaker 2: the little peephole at her in the bathroom, that's when
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, he's not quite right. But I thought
Speaker 2: maybe he was like a bit of a like obviously creep,
Speaker 2: but I didn't think he was capable of murder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it does a really good job of
Speaker 1: Blake like this seems like he seems like a friendly guy.
Speaker 4: He seems like a friendly guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like a little bit isolated.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and then they have we won't even play
Speaker 1: the conversation they have where we first maybe start seeing
Speaker 1: the turning of Norman bas this is he's brought down supper,
Speaker 1: like you said, some sandwiches and some milk. He's gone
Speaker 1: all out and yeah, I think generally here, I mean
Speaker 1: suggests by putting his mother into a harm.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I didn't mean it to sound uncaring. What
Speaker 6: do you know about caring? Have you ever seen the
Speaker 6: inside of one of those places? Laughing in the tears
Speaker 6: and the cruel eyes studying you. My mother there. But
Speaker 6: she's harmless. She's as harmless as one of those stuffed birds.
Speaker 2: I am sorry. I only felt.
Speaker 7: It seems she's hurting you.
Speaker 6: I meant well. People always mean well. They cluck their
Speaker 6: thick tongues and shake their heads and suggest, oh so
Speaker 6: very delicately.
Speaker 4: Of course I've.
Speaker 6: Suggested it myself, but I hate to even think about it.
Speaker 4: She needs me.
Speaker 6: It's not as if she were a maniac, a raving thing.
Speaker 6: She just goes a little mad. Sometimes we all go
Speaker 6: a little mad sometimes, haven't you.
Speaker 8: Yes, sometimes just one time can be enough.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you, Norman.
Speaker 4: The red flag would have been up.
Speaker 2: That's what I knew she was in trouble. To be fair, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you overstep that, Marion.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so there is this bird kind of motif going
Speaker 1: through in the conversation they're having there. They're surrounded by birds.
Speaker 1: They've been taxidermied, stuffed, and I'll just walk through some
Speaker 1: of the you know, the bird that's all through the movie,
Speaker 1: and there's little subtle ones. And you would have taken
Speaker 1: these on rooms, no doubt, either knowingly or subconsciously. And
Speaker 1: I've some of these I've stumbled upon, not stumbled upon,
Speaker 1: I've deep dived, and you got some you know that
Speaker 1: it didn't occur to me either.
Speaker 4: But so we start the movie starts with the birds
Speaker 4: I view. It's set in the in Phoenix. Her name
Speaker 4: is Marion Crane, which is a bird.
Speaker 1: There's Norman Bates and which refers to the debating of
Speaker 1: a trap when they do talk about traps. Of course,
Speaker 1: there's there's stuffed birds around. There's there's references to birds
Speaker 1: you eat like a bird. My mom's as harmless as
Speaker 1: one of these stuffed birds, and one of the really
Speaker 1: and there's pictures on the wall of Marion's room and
Speaker 1: they're birds that get preyed.
Speaker 4: Upon in her room and one falls when he like, yes,
Speaker 4: so I.
Speaker 1: Think, I think yes, I think that is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that bird has been you know, taken down if you like.
Speaker 1: And there's a really that that scene you speak of
Speaker 1: through the peep hole, which I think by the time
Speaker 1: he's doing that, we think, Marian, it's.
Speaker 2: Not looking good.
Speaker 1: There's a really beautiful, beautiful thing which I didn't notice
Speaker 1: is only like doing some deep diving that that I
Speaker 1: kind of this this point of that.
Speaker 4: So Norman's weighing on what to do.
Speaker 1: He looks and he he seems standing up in the
Speaker 1: background there's now which has got its wings out, and
Speaker 1: it's looking quite you know, you know, like it's about
Speaker 1: the swoop almost. And now, of course it is a
Speaker 1: bird of prey. In the foreground there's a turkey, which
Speaker 1: is not necessarily a bird of prey. It's more likely
Speaker 1: to be prayed upon. So you have no one between
Speaker 1: these two stuffed birds, a bird of prey and a
Speaker 1: bird that gets preyed upon. And then he looks into
Speaker 1: the peephole and when he comes out, the shot is
Speaker 1: no longer. The turkey is no longer in that shot.
Speaker 1: It is Norman with the owl in the background. And
Speaker 1: what Hitchcock's saying to us is that Norman has made
Speaker 1: his choice. You know, he's a bird of prey and
Speaker 1: he has his prey in his sights. Norman, Yeah, Norman, Norman.
Speaker 4: By now we we we should know now that he is.
Speaker 1: Like you said, when when she gets taken in the shower,
Speaker 1: you still thought it was the mother, and you know,
Speaker 1: like and absolutely you are supposed to You're supposed to
Speaker 1: kind of for quite still quite a while, like he
Speaker 1: comes in and cleans up, and you think, well, you know,
Speaker 1: he's devoted to his mother, you know, you know, there's
Speaker 1: some weird things he does say about you know, a
Speaker 1: man's best friend is always his mother, and you know this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's some issues obviously, you know, and he's cleaning up,
Speaker 1: and then, like you said, it's so interesting that this
Speaker 1: has happened so early, Like this is, you know, a
Speaker 1: third of the way through the movie. And then the
Speaker 1: kind of the shifts, which there's very few movies like
Speaker 1: this where either shifts so basically a character who was
Speaker 1: in the opening scene and that's it, and a brand
Speaker 1: new character, which is a sister Lila who's now demanding answers,
Speaker 1: and you know, the p I comes in, he goes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he gets murder.
Speaker 2: He was very kind of nineteen sixties actor vibes to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: He's almost had like the touch of the film noir
Speaker 1: kind of which, you know, a detective in the ninety
Speaker 1: sixties movie. Yeah, there's probably one way to play that role,
Speaker 1: I feel. And he gets he gets taken. And then
Speaker 1: finally Lyla and sand decide, okay, well you know we're
Speaker 1: going to let's suss this out, so they go to
Speaker 1: the Baits Hotel and it ends up obviously with Lila
Speaker 1: entering the house. How are you feeling at this point
Speaker 1: about how are your nerves? Did you feel tenseled? Did
Speaker 1: we was start watching a movie that you were you invested?
Speaker 2: I was invested for sure. I totally thought she would
Speaker 2: be slain, to be honest, did the classic like whenever
Speaker 2: people go up or downstairs in like a psychological movie.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you've just made the worst choice seller, Like
Speaker 2: why so? Why did I like split up?
Speaker 4: But I was so.
Speaker 2: I found actually the loud noise and music when she
Speaker 2: made a discovery and that kind of visual that was
Speaker 2: scary to me. That was probably the scariest, A bit
Speaker 2: more scary than the shower scene. You're right, yeah, something
Speaker 2: about the really really loud music and kind of like
Speaker 2: suspense movies. I find this is the most terrifying part
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: There was one jump scare that I noticed where she
Speaker 1: kind of turned around like it but it didn't ever
Speaker 1: have any music on it. And it's like, it was
Speaker 1: actually kind of weird for me to see like a
Speaker 1: jump scare with that that kind of like dramatic music
Speaker 1: thrown in because as you say, there's music all the
Speaker 1: way through it, and it is building this tension. So
Speaker 1: when we saw Norman carry his mother down the stairs,
Speaker 1: what were you thinking?
Speaker 4: Because even when I.
Speaker 1: Was thinking, like you know, I already seen, I was
Speaker 1: like okay, yeah, and I did remember reasoning quickly of
Speaker 1: course the ending.
Speaker 4: But what were you thinking? Like, like were you thinking this?
Speaker 2: I'm like, sure she can fight back a little bit.
Speaker 2: She didn't want to go down there. It's like you're old,
Speaker 2: but like you can do something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've heard missus Bates argue and she seems like
Speaker 1: a feisty a feisty Yeah, where's that fight now? Missus
Speaker 1: Bates when you need it the most, it takes her
Speaker 1: down to the basement, goes out and he's dealing with
Speaker 1: Sam in a bit of a clumsy kind of a
Speaker 1: little bit of a clumsy wrestle, and Lylah goes down
Speaker 1: into the basement. She heads in, and what what did
Speaker 1: you make of it? So you see missus Bates sitting there?
Speaker 1: What were you expect them to happen?
Speaker 2: I at that point had to put my sinking cap
Speaker 2: on and I had an idea what would happened. I
Speaker 2: was spending the movie being my most native self always.
Speaker 4: Can I say yeah absolutely, yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 2: Like any kind of skull situation, I'll always find really
Speaker 2: scary at it. So it kind of gave me reminded
Speaker 2: me of Michael Jackson's Thriller where it kind of looks
Speaker 2: so fake but it's so just like bad and gross.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's so funny because I'm not sure
Speaker 1: when the swivel chair was invented. I'm not sure when
Speaker 1: they came in, but I did find actually laughed like
Speaker 1: the swivel because she just touches the shoulder and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden and then the chair does a complete turnaround,
Speaker 1: like it does a complete like one to eighty, and
Speaker 1: it's like, how how did that happen?
Speaker 4: I'd love to know what chair they had. And almost
Speaker 4: not only there's like a but it almost seems to
Speaker 4: do like a bit of ada. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's totally there. It's it's it's it's it's the mother,
Speaker 4: she screams.
Speaker 1: And then, of course, not only that, we have Norman
Speaker 1: barging in in his mother's clothes and wig.
Speaker 2: That was quite that took me aback, I guess because
Speaker 2: he looks quite happy with himself as well. He's kind
Speaker 2: of like again a today moment seemed quite like enjoyed
Speaker 2: being in the clothes.
Speaker 4: Yeah. It was almost his happy place, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, and I thought it was. It was interesting
Speaker 2: when they like got to his bedroom and he's in
Speaker 2: a child's bedroom. Yeah, that's where he was sleepy peach.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 2: I think that's right, in a single bed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we have like it's interesting some people
Speaker 1: think when we had the psychiatrist who comes in and
Speaker 1: explains what was going on, there were some people would argue,
Speaker 1: you don't need that, saying I would argue, in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty that sense reasonably important.
Speaker 4: I think you probably.
Speaker 1: I think we're maybe more across mental health issues, you know,
Speaker 1: these days, than they were back in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 4: Not that I could.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily watch this film in two then twenty
Speaker 1: three and be able to give a diagnosis of Norman's condition,
Speaker 1: but I would probably guess there was some schizophrenias and
Speaker 1: by Paula going on.
Speaker 4: But that just gives us his I guess diagnosis on
Speaker 4: Norman basis ever listening.
Speaker 7: She was there, but she was a corpse, so he
Speaker 7: began to think and speak for her, give her half
Speaker 7: his life, so to speak. At times he could be
Speaker 7: both personalities, carry on conversations. At other times the mother
Speaker 7: have took over completely. He was never all Norman, but
Speaker 7: he was often only mother, And because he was so
Speaker 7: pathologically jealous of her, he assumed that he was as
Speaker 7: jealous of him. Therefore, if he felt a strong attraction
Speaker 7: to any other woman, the mother's side of him would
Speaker 7: go wild.
Speaker 4: When he met your.
Speaker 7: Sister, he was touched by her, aroused by her.
Speaker 4: He wanted her.
Speaker 7: That set off the jealous mother, and mother killed the girl.
Speaker 7: Now after the murder, Norman returned, as if from a
Speaker 7: deep sleep, and like a dutiful son, covered up all
Speaker 7: traces of the crime.
Speaker 4: He was convinced his mother had committed. Did you kind
Speaker 4: of buy that? Did you feel that that was a
Speaker 4: that was reasonable?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it did feel kind of like the
Speaker 2: movie had ended and that was like the credits moment.
Speaker 2: It did feel a little bit disjointed to me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but as you said, obviously it's like maybe it needed explanation,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it sells a little bit too over explaining
Speaker 2: as much as you know, we didn't talk about mental
Speaker 2: health back then, I'm pretty sure you can tell like
Speaker 2: something isn't quite right, yea.
Speaker 1: But also back back in those days, often they would
Speaker 1: be happy enough to kind of go, well, he was,
Speaker 1: he was, he was, he was psycho, he is a
Speaker 1: crazy guy. And and and I do find it interesting
Speaker 1: that they did, you know, try to explain what it was.
Speaker 1: I think you could the film works with or without
Speaker 1: this scene. It's interesting that the reference to the transvestite
Speaker 1: and then kind of and that was again that was
Speaker 1: kind of controversial. I think one of the executives, you know,
Speaker 1: kicked up a storm about it and maybe got the
Speaker 1: idea of transvestites and transsexuals confused, which he kind of
Speaker 1: explains when he when you know, when he kind of
Speaker 1: explains what the transvestite is in that moment. So we
Speaker 1: have that scene, and then finally we find Norman Bates
Speaker 1: in his cell and would just have a little listen
Speaker 1: to this.
Speaker 8: She was always and in the end he intended to
Speaker 8: tell them I killed those girls, and that man as
Speaker 8: if I could do anything except just sit and stare
Speaker 8: like one of his stuffed birds. They know I can't
Speaker 8: even move a finger, and I won't. I'll just sit
Speaker 8: here and be quiet, just in case they do suspect me.
Speaker 8: They're probably watching me. I'll let them, let them see
Speaker 8: what kind of a person I am. I'm not even
Speaker 8: gonna swat that fly. I hope they are watching. They'll see,
Speaker 8: they'll see, and they'll know, and they'll say, why she wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Even have a fly?
Speaker 2: Was that that's the way the expression came up? Was?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because I good question. I imagine
Speaker 1: I took that as like, not like him using a
Speaker 1: well known expression. I think I'm going to research that.
Speaker 2: Please, little sub note.
Speaker 1: It's amazing sometimes when you watch these older films and
Speaker 1: you kind of go Often what happens in this podcast
Speaker 1: is people go, oh, now, I understand you know five
Speaker 1: Simpsons episodes that I didn't kind of there's all these
Speaker 1: references that you have the Shining or Citizen Kane or
Speaker 1: It's a Wonderful Life where there's whole episodes basically you know,
Speaker 1: around those things.
Speaker 4: And I'm sure there's some psycho references in there as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think there is. With Krusty the Clown, No,
Speaker 2: not Krusty Sidcho Bob.
Speaker 1: He tries to yeah, oh yes, he's always nice yes, absolute, Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's a famous, famous episode.
Speaker 4: You mean, like you're happy you've seen Psycho now is it?
Speaker 4: Is it a it's something you can tick off.
Speaker 2: It's something I can tick off. For sure. I'd watch
Speaker 2: it again, like I'd love someone to show someone who
Speaker 2: hasn't seen it before, because I I think often, Yeah,
Speaker 2: with older films, I feel like they go really slowly.
Speaker 2: I liked how it wasn't I feel like nowadays films
Speaker 2: go for a long time. So I thought it was good.
Speaker 2: It's like one hour, one and a half hours maybe
Speaker 2: or or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely watch it again. I enjoyed it, you know,
Speaker 2: because I would never have seen it. I think I'm
Speaker 2: still not inspired to go and watch Star Wars. That
Speaker 2: would probably be the next one.
Speaker 4: That would be more of like, well, while he took
Speaker 4: the bullet for you know, for those who haven't seen
Speaker 4: Star Wars for this, and he's watched the whole trilogy,
Speaker 4: and I got to say he enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Dan, So I feel.
Speaker 1: Like Stars a pretty big, Like it's funny when I
Speaker 1: talk about this podcasts of people, I say, oh, Judith,
Speaker 1: Lucy hasn't seen the Sound of Music, And they're like, what,
Speaker 1: And I'll say, Todd Sampson hasn't seen The Shawshank Redemption.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 1: And so everyone's always surprised if somebody hasn't seen the
Speaker 1: movie that they've obviously seen quite a lot. But I
Speaker 1: feel like Star Wars still is one where you're going
Speaker 1: to go, really, how could you not? My wife doesn't
Speaker 1: understand that that I'm surprised at people. There are some
Speaker 1: people who haven't seen Star Wars. She's never seen Star Wars.
Speaker 1: She's never seen it either, she's never seen it. No
Speaker 1: with somebody who loves Star Wars. And I've even said,
Speaker 1: let's watch it with me, that's for fun on my birthday.
Speaker 1: Maybe killed her in watching it, but she don't know interest.
Speaker 1: So you know, oh that's okay. Live and let live,
Speaker 1: live and let live Hey this is this movie also
Speaker 1: featured the very first little fact on the way out,
Speaker 1: The very first toilet was in the American cinema.
Speaker 2: Really, Oh my god, that's like a perfect little bar
Speaker 2: on top.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's you know.
Speaker 1: Not only was it about the blood and the sex,
Speaker 1: he also the very first told when she flushes her son,
Speaker 1: which I already. Don't think she needed to do staying
Speaker 1: school kids. Yeah, that's the first too that was shown
Speaker 1: in American movies.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's that's important. That's a good tip that I'll keep.
Speaker 1: It is it is for this podcast comes with homework.
Speaker 1: I am so glad you have done it. Thank you
Speaker 1: for watching it. Thank you also this for the positivity
Speaker 1: you put out into the world, you know, through your
Speaker 1: radio Shump podcast and this content. You a delight to follow,
Speaker 1: and it gave me great joy that you you revealed
Speaker 1: once that you drove you and your dad I think drove.
Speaker 4: Drove. I was doing a cross for Rogue live in
Speaker 4: where was his Mark?
Speaker 2: Berwood came out in Melbourne.
Speaker 4: Berl came out in Melbourne and what did you do?
Speaker 2: Me and my dad drove one hundred kilometers an hour down, yeah,
Speaker 2: down towards Camart twenty four to seven, came out and
Speaker 2: tried to moon you with both of our bare asses
Speaker 2: out of the window. However, by the time we got
Speaker 2: there it was just the team packing up. So I
Speaker 2: actually I cried. I cried. I was the biggest road liasan.
Speaker 2: So it's like a very you know, when you just
Speaker 2: want something so badly and you don't get it. That
Speaker 2: was that moment for me. So it's honestly crazy to
Speaker 2: be here. Thank you for having me, Pete.
Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you, And like I said, I really
Speaker 1: really enjoy the stuff that you do, whether it's celebrating
Speaker 1: music or movies or serena, tins of tuna, keep it up,
Speaker 1: keep the positivity going coming up, and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and yeah, yeah, hopefully we'll see you again
Speaker 1: meeting person one day.
Speaker 2: Hopefully I won't mean you. I'll be teed, but I
Speaker 2: won't if your dad moves me.
Speaker 4: That is that normal baits moved by normal baits.
Speaker 2: I don't know re's laughing that saggy, but.
Speaker 4: There we go.
Speaker 1: That was Rooms with Psycho. I am glad we ticked
Speaker 1: off finally a Hitchcock movie. Taken way too long for
Speaker 1: us to get to that, but I'm glad that was
Speaker 1: the first one. And like I said in the intro,
Speaker 1: really glad and thankful and grateful that Fumes could do that.
Speaker 4: I urge you to follow her on Instagram. She's just fun. Fun.
Speaker 4: In this world where there's so much ah, so much
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Speaker 1: News and blah blah blah, is it's good to have
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Speaker 4: More of it.
Speaker 1: I say, for those who are enjoyed the podcast, thank
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Speaker 1: Actually only met them this year, met them in the
Speaker 1: unlikely place that is the South African jungle.
Speaker 4: He's one of my army celebrity camp mates. Will be
Speaker 4: joining me next week.
Speaker 1: You may know her also from below Deck, a massive,
Speaker 1: massive global show, massive hit for Bravo. It is, of
Speaker 1: course Asia Scott, my Flaming Ducks bandmate, will be joining me.
Speaker 1: That's right next week. And you may say nothing yet
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