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Speaker 1: I have informed the COLP President, Management Committee, Leader of

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Speaker 1: I feel I no longer have the confidence in the COLP.

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Speaker 1: She went on to say there are a number of

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Speaker 1: She currently doesn't have any plans for her future political

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Speaker 1: a statement there from Senator Sam McMahon. But what does

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Speaker 1: Joining us on the line right now is the CLP

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Speaker 1: President Jamie de Brenny. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Happy here, Cody, How are you very well?

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Speaker 1: I tell you what an interesting way for the COLP

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Speaker 2: Of course we are, of course we are, and you've

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Speaker 2: I think I've stated this before. All the accusations in

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Speaker 2: Sam's decided to do what she's doing and we move on.

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Speaker 2: We've got incredible candidates that were elected you know by

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Speaker 2: to senterprise. Sammy Ryan and team McFarlane are our ash party,

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Speaker 1: So Jamie, with that legal advice that the CLP has

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Speaker 3: As a party, are you you know, are you.

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Speaker 2: No, we are actually associated with the Nationals Australia which

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Speaker 2: we're drowning, but crime is killing us and we need

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Speaker 3: Well, we down.

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Speaker 1: We are going to talk more about about that issue

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Speaker 1: Does the CLP operate as I mean, are you an affiliation?

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Speaker 2: We're association. We're associated with a federal party.

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Speaker 3: And that is the National Party. So what would happen?

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Speaker 1: What would happen if later this week Senator Sam McMahon

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Speaker 2: He'll be a national representative, which would mean that we're

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Speaker 1: What would it mean though, I guess what would it

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Speaker 2: It would not change the CLP would resent that's been

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Speaker 2: very big speculation. Realistically, you know, you're right. In a

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Speaker 2: would be good. Well, the scenario that comes out she

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Speaker 1: But then in the Senate, though, Jamie. But then in

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Speaker 1: So would it then make things difficult? And I know

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Speaker 2: Look, well, well I don't know. We haven't got that scenario.

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Speaker 2: We don't choice. We have an agreement, which is the

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Speaker 2: Now that's been something way back since nineteen seventy four,

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Speaker 2: It's like today we've broken up and right we now

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Speaker 1: One of the other things that Senator Sam McMahon said

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Speaker 3: Is that the case?

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Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, I apologize that I've never heard that statement before.

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Speaker 2: As I said, I've just climbed out from inside the

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to come back with a response that

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Speaker 1: But if someone makes it, wouldn't you respond to somebody

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Speaker 2: In regard to issues that Sam has had with people

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Speaker 2: look you, that's SAMs Shorts. I don't want to lower

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Speaker 1: Know her well, Jamie, I am going to have to

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Speaker 1: wrap things up very quickly. How the supermarket shells looking

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Speaker 2: I'm actually just going to get smoke over the boys.

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Speaker 2: There's fans and trucks coming in. As I said, I

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Speaker 2: Amazing we get behind each other and always with a

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Speaker 3: Oh goodness mate, that'd be getting a bit desperate. Mate.

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Speaker 3: We better leave it there. Good to catch up with you,

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Speaker 3: no doubt I'll talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 2: Look forward to it.

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Speaker 1: That is the COLP president there, Jamie de Brenny. Now

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Speaker 1: that number if you do want to send us a

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Speaker 1: message zero four, double nine seven, double one three six zero.

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Speaker 1: Will take a very short break. When we come back,

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Speaker 1: we're going to be catching up with Craig Garaway from

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Speaker 1: Saint John's