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Speaker 1: Good morning everybody, and welcome to the Daily OS. You're

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Speaker 1: waking up on Friday, the twenty second of October. My

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Speaker 1: name is Sam Kozlowski and I'm here with the very

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Speaker 1: giggly political journalist for the Daily OS, Billy fitzimons. Before

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Speaker 1: we hit the unbelievably good news, especially for those in Victoria,

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Speaker 1: let's get the bad news out of the way. In

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Speaker 1: New South Wales yesterday there were three hundred and seventy

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Speaker 1: two cases of COVID nineteen. Victoria recorded twenty two hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirty two cases and the Act recorded twenty eight cases. Victorians,

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Speaker 1: you're waking up to the end of lockdown. Let's get

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Speaker 1: into the news and then let's have a chat about

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Speaker 1: climate billboards with Dan Ilich. Billy over to you.

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Speaker 2: A man has tested positive to COVID nineteen on the

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Speaker 2: Gold Coast after traveling from Melbourne. It's understood he didn't

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Speaker 2: go into hotel quarantine after arriving in Queensland and may

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Speaker 2: have been infectious in the community for up to ten days.

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Speaker 2: The man went to the emergency department at Robina Hospital

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday, where he's now on oxygen in hospital. This

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Speaker 2: one case has also meant that Western Australia's border with

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Speaker 2: Queensland will not be relaxed today as previously announced.

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Speaker 1: New South Wales Premier Dominique Perrete has announced households with

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Speaker 1: to spend on accommodation as a quote big thank you

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Speaker 1: to every single mum and dad right now across the state.

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Speaker 1: They will be redeemable through Service New South Wales early

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Speaker 1: next year, in the similar way that the Dine and

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Speaker 1: Discover vouchers were available last year.

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Speaker 2: Russian President Vladimir Putin will not attend the Glasgow Climate

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Speaker 2: Conference in two weeks, despite Kremlin spokesman Dmitri Peskov saying

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Speaker 1: And today's good news, Victorians go and hug nine other people.

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Speaker 1: Victoria has waken up to its first day in the

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Speaker 1: post lockdown era. From eleven to fifty nine pm last night.

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Speaker 1: There is now no travel limits within Melbourne and up

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Speaker 1: to ten people are allowed into your home. Congratulations. It's

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Speaker 1: the longest locked down city in the world and the

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Speaker 1: freedoms are well deserved. But Stacy speaking of Melbourne. Zara

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Speaker 1: Here is that chat.

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Speaker 3: For today's pod. We're speaking to a comedian, Dan Ilich,

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Speaker 3: and Dan has been in the news a lot recently

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Speaker 3: because he was behind some massive billboards in Times Square.

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Speaker 3: If you haven't seen the billboards we're talking about, go

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Speaker 3: look it up on the web. They were about Australia's

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Speaker 3: and he has voiced those views on today's podcast. It's

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Speaker 3: seen the billboards, can you explain what they were and

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Speaker 3: what you really intended from them.

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Speaker 4: We intended to put up billboards just in a small

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Speaker 4: and I was like, well, I've got to find more billboards.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if I can put this message, the message

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Speaker 4: that Australians are not represented by their Australian government on

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Speaker 4: and it had worldwide press coverage. My parents' neighbors, who

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Speaker 3: So to be clear, this wasn't a message to the government.

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Speaker 3: You weren't hoping to persuade any governmental actors to change

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Because we're going to COP the Conference of Parties

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Speaker 4: in Paris and it is like the Olympics. Forty fifty

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Speaker 4: It is truly like the Olympics of document making. This

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Speaker 4: You can imagine how tedious it is to write a

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Speaker 4: thousands of people looking at them writing it. That's what

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Speaker 4: de tides to dissemble, an obsa scate and cheat its

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Speaker 3: And so obviously we do have coming up. Do you

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Speaker 3: the issue will have any impact on how the government

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Speaker 4: That's right, Sarah. When those billboards went up at nine

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Speaker 4: room for coal expansion, for more fossil fuels to be

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Speaker 3: I'm really curious because we have an audience who is

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Speaker 3: And obviously I know you are not a politician yourself,

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Speaker 4: There is an ultimate way forward, and that is to

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Speaker 4: And here's the thing. The Liberal Party the col currently

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Speaker 3: independents hold a lot of power if they hold the

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Speaker 4: do the things that need to be done. We need

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Speaker 4: Korea's Korean He sent me a picture of his beautiful

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Speaker 4: sunny sky and he said, Dan, I know Australia and

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Speaker 4: China are having a trade dispute at the moment of

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Speaker 4: a coal and they're not burning any of your coal.

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Speaker 4: I know this is bad for Australia, but look at

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Speaker 4: this sky. This is the first time in ten days

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Speaker 4: I've had a blue sky, and that is because Australian

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Speaker 4: coal isn't filling up the skies of Korea. That's what's happening.

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Speaker 4: Our coal gets burned in China, it gets chucked in

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Speaker 4: the sky and goes all over Asia. We have a

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Speaker 4: responsibility to not make that happen. We have a responsibility

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Speaker 4: to not be the coal barren, all the coal cartel.

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Speaker 4: We need to cut off the drug supply, all the

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Speaker 4: coal supply to these other countries.

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Speaker 3: Well, it will certainly be interesting to see what happens

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Speaker 3: between now at the end of the month. Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for your time.

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Speaker 4: Daran, Sarah, thank you so much and I love everything

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Speaker 4: you do.

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Speaker 3: Ah, thank you.