Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex
Speaker 1: and Frooms catch up podcast.
Speaker 2: It's Flex and Frooms on Cada Life. Is really doing
Speaker 2: something to me? Menstruating babes, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: know the sensation of every.
Speaker 1: Time I see you're mensu writing.
Speaker 2: That's what it feels like, right was. I'm always talking
Speaker 2: about it because I can't anyway. On today's party, we're
Speaker 2: chatting about email etiquette through me favorite abolished professionalism.
Speaker 3: Huh, people putting at dark mophot. It was a while ago,
Speaker 3: I know, but my friend had a very harrowing Someone
Speaker 3: say harrowing. Someone say it's art experience. I say, a
Speaker 3: human doing a stage, amongst other things.
Speaker 1: Anyway, wide man's your on calls. Let's get to it.
Speaker 3: This is the potty Flex and Frooms, Kita, Flex and.
Speaker 1: Frooms, Flex and Frooms.
Speaker 3: The other day, our producer Mikayla It's a Story's Oldest
Speaker 3: Time Itself sent me an article that New York Times
Speaker 3: had done about decoding email sign offs. I wrote a
Speaker 3: similar article, not for the New York Times, not quite
Speaker 3: about what each email sign off says about. It was
Speaker 3: more of a humor comedy piece, a humorists piece.
Speaker 1: But I said what I said, and I'd.
Speaker 3: Like to recite what I found it and what I said.
Speaker 1: Are you ready please.
Speaker 2: For how to sign off an email peace someone who
Speaker 2: doesn't like professionalism.
Speaker 4: I'm interested to see what we have to say.
Speaker 3: And I'm right across your email etiquette. It's very chaotic, okay,
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 2: Of all caps, smiley faces xxes, Like someone sends me
Speaker 2: a contract.
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with this, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: It's refreshing in the Microsoft in box. If you say
Speaker 3: kind regards, it means you're ten years old and you're
Speaker 3: sending off an email for the first time. Whoa kind regards?
Speaker 2: Or you're like sixty and you've been doing emails since
Speaker 2: emails first invented, and so you've like retained traditional email norm.
Speaker 3: True, okay, keeping traditional life. If you say cheers, pure
Speaker 3: pure chaos, I like cheers cheers. Yeah, who came up
Speaker 3: with that?
Speaker 4: The oisies?
Speaker 1: Cheers cheers.
Speaker 3: I think that warm regards. That's for more of a
Speaker 3: PR situation.
Speaker 2: Genus PR is thanks exclamation mark, No way, absolutely, guess
Speaker 2: what I do. I think you just let your email
Speaker 2: signature talk for you.
Speaker 3: No, I say thanks, Comma Lucinda, Yeah, what is happening?
Speaker 4: You've got their haptic vibration.
Speaker 3: She signs off with kind regards, so she just feels outed.
Speaker 4: Oh really no, just my boyfriend signs off with warm
Speaker 4: regards and you did it.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm doxing people in the studio.
Speaker 4: Sorry, Jordan, what do you sign off with? Mickey?
Speaker 1: Kindest?
Speaker 4: The kindest from you? In my life? Use sign off.
Speaker 1: Kindest, kindest?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I saw someone else do it.
Speaker 2: Truly, anything but thanks and thank you is just unhinged.
Speaker 4: It's not need for all the extra.
Speaker 2: Especially when because your whole message is not dry, when
Speaker 2: you're putting in the exclamation, the emoji, the XX, how's
Speaker 2: your weekend?
Speaker 4: Did you get near it hour?
Speaker 2: I also feel like because generally with emails, it's a
Speaker 2: threat of conversation needs to keep happening. So why are
Speaker 2: we got to do a clear sign off every time?
Speaker 3: Maybe the first time if you're not sure you're gonna
Speaker 3: get a reply, right, of course, then it's a good
Speaker 3: starting ground.
Speaker 1: But then, yeah, drop the replies.
Speaker 2: I think we need to drop email etiquette. I think
Speaker 2: a lot of us spend too much time. It's actually
Speaker 2: so ineffective. And a burden to productivity to have to
Speaker 2: consider any kind of etiquette with email. The thing just
Speaker 2: needs to be sent.
Speaker 4: The older I get, the more I appreciate the.
Speaker 2: Really like black and white stern email from your boss
Speaker 2: that just says got.
Speaker 3: It, It says, Plus thinks, yeah, plus thinks.
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed because it's all needs to be said more.
Speaker 1: I think we need to work in finance.
Speaker 2: Literally, the finance brow inside of me. We've named him Gareth.
Speaker 2: Oh gets it.
Speaker 3: It's been a few weeks since Dark Mofo was the thing.
Speaker 3: However I didn't go. I've only been to Hobart once
Speaker 3: and I loved it.
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 4: I'll go back.
Speaker 2: You must defoe go back, and when I'm there. Dark
Speaker 2: Mofo is an art music culture festival in Hobart. And
Speaker 2: also I was in Lornie this year. Maybe nah, I
Speaker 2: think just.
Speaker 3: Hobert, Lonnie lawn Sesstem. I always get it confused with
Speaker 3: New Zealand for some reason. I always think lawn Sesson's
Speaker 3: in New Zealand.
Speaker 4: That makes sense, just across.
Speaker 3: The ditch kind of vibes.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So my friend Michael went and he put on his
Speaker 3: story that he witnessed something quite alarming, and I've asked
Speaker 3: him to send us a voice note explaining what it is.
Speaker 3: This is a content warning for Pooh Great and Crazy art.
Speaker 5: So this is like a quick review of Divine comedy
Speaker 5: that was at Dark Mofa this year. I didn't know
Speaker 5: what to expect right doing balliony reviews. It was all
Speaker 5: really vague though it was like, oh, prepare to be wowed.
Speaker 5: I'm all like, oh, dark Arts, and you know, thirty
Speaker 5: minutes I saw like several full grown women do a
Speaker 5: squat five meters in front of me and do a big,
Speaker 5: huge sit on the ground like for forty five seconds.
Speaker 5: They're all like struggling audibly, and they all did big poos,
Speaker 5: live big poos out of their human buttles onto a
Speaker 5: like a painting palette that they were going to use
Speaker 5: to like paint a tombstone. And then this woman had
Speaker 5: blood taken out of her and then like sprayed everywhere.
Speaker 5: And then this woman got a hatauchy wand and squirted
Speaker 5: all over a hung I excel like there was a
Speaker 5: woman live taxidermy in a rat, and at the end
Speaker 5: this woman ate the rat. Everyone was naked from about
Speaker 5: six minutes in like just it was blonkers, defund the
Speaker 5: arts now.
Speaker 4: The art now say it less.
Speaker 1: I could not believe I didn't know that this stuff
Speaker 1: was legal.
Speaker 2: I'm a bit confused because, yeah, explain. I'm always trying
Speaker 2: to pitch for people to go to Dark Mofa or
Speaker 2: to go to Hobart during Dark Mofo, because usually when
Speaker 2: someone from the mainland except you know, the continental Australia
Speaker 2: says to go to Hobart, they mean to go when
Speaker 2: something is pumping and popping, so you get a feeling
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 4: The first time I went to Dark Mofo, I saw ah.
Speaker 2: It was a performance of these five people simulating the
Speaker 2: human centipede in like a body stocking, writhing around. There's silicon,
Speaker 2: it's messy, the scoores like percussion, writhing, moaning, and you're
Speaker 2: in this kind of converted heritage building and all you
Speaker 2: can see is like the look of fear and shock
Speaker 2: on everybody else's faces, and this kind of split between
Speaker 2: the crowd. People taking it way too seriously, people thinking
Speaker 2: it's a joke, so you don't know where to sit,
Speaker 2: and if you meant to look at it with earnest
Speaker 2: appreciations for the art, that's happening in front of you,
Speaker 2: or if you can just say, what is happening right now?
Speaker 2: As weeple stimulating birth out of a giant revolver, I
Speaker 2: saw just the most beautiful Okay.
Speaker 3: Okay art art Marmylex art Mamy.
Speaker 1: So you think not to defunder the.
Speaker 4: Arts, Oh, definitely, don't defund the arts.
Speaker 2: Apply more funding, apply define education, put it in the arts,
Speaker 2: apply men.
Speaker 1: And musal for all.
Speaker 6: Okay, it's one twenty am.
Speaker 3: I'm in bed.
Speaker 6: It was just a sleep and I've been thinking about
Speaker 6: the Divine Comedy Show again, and I think I understand
Speaker 6: it now. Maybe it's because so much of comedy is crude,
Speaker 6: and we see this kind of put like pooing and
Speaker 6: stuff on movies, but never in real life. Like I'm
Speaker 6: thinking about White Lotus season one when there is an
Speaker 6: infamous pooh scene. Why do we never see in person?
Speaker 6: And also it sounds like it was very memorable.
Speaker 4: That is all.
Speaker 1: This is flex and rooms.
Speaker 2: I'm Kater twenty twenty three, and unfortunately we are still
Speaker 2: talking about the unfollowing app. I personally don't know how
Speaker 2: anybody is still using it for the sake of your
Speaker 2: own mental health, But there's a bit of contention on
Speaker 2: the internet.
Speaker 4: Is it toxic? Are you just decluttering? Listen to this
Speaker 4: TikTok from Nicole dot mad.
Speaker 7: It's so uncomfortable if someone's like unfollowed you from Instagram
Speaker 7: and then I've of course immediately unfollowed them as well,
Speaker 7: or because I'm a patty bitch, I'm gonna unfollow you back. Yes,
Speaker 7: I'm twenty five and still have the unfollow app.
Speaker 4: I don't care. Why were you nodding so aggressively listening?
Speaker 3: I was listening, But I will say, if someone unfollows you,
Speaker 3: like fight fire with fire, You think that I don't
Speaker 3: now because I know that you can accidentally unfollow people. Well,
Speaker 3: you're just that I don't have the app because my
Speaker 3: self esteem can't handle it and I will hold it
Speaker 3: against you.
Speaker 1: Period. That's why I don't have the app.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could never have the app for that exactly reasons.
Speaker 1: I remember.
Speaker 3: I used to like be a bit self I guess
Speaker 3: you call this form of self harm, like when you
Speaker 3: go masochistic go back on the x's profile every day,
Speaker 3: every few hours, like obsessive, and then you do it
Speaker 3: with that It's like when you want to scratch a
Speaker 3: nitch when you want to binge, when you want to, like, oh,
Speaker 3: do something destructive, you would go on app like that,
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's kind of something I did as a teenager.
Speaker 3: I just definitely had to let that go.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because we talk about relationships being transactional, and
Speaker 2: I wonder if this is what people think I mean
Speaker 2: when I say that. When I say relationships are transactional,
Speaker 2: I mean that, regardless of what you think is happening,
Speaker 2: there's a transaction. I talk because I'm expecting a conversation.
Speaker 2: In return, I give a gift because I'm expecting it.
Speaker 2: I give humor because I'm expecting human back. That's the
Speaker 2: agreement that we're sharing. But in this instance, I like
Speaker 2: feeling that how I treat you is based on like,
Speaker 2: how I genuinely feel about you, as opposed to keeping
Speaker 2: tabs on how you feel about me to dictate how
Speaker 2: I should treat you. You know, it feels like the
Speaker 2: same thing, but it's slightly different. So if you unfollow
Speaker 2: me because for whatever reasons you don't like my content,
Speaker 2: it was an accident, whatever it might be, As long
Speaker 2: as I don't know, I'm still treating you with the
Speaker 2: same like care or joy or whatever that I treated
Speaker 2: you with beforehand, and it should stay.
Speaker 3: I don't know if people would agree, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: Like, I think that we need to look at things
Speaker 2: like following and unfollowing as small small things, not like
Speaker 2: the action in itself is so minor that it can't
Speaker 2: mean so much. Yeah, Because then we're saying, well, if
Speaker 2: someone doesn't have Instagram, how do we measure how they
Speaker 2: feel about us?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Which is like, which is how you would do?
Speaker 2: What you would do, You would interact with them, you
Speaker 2: would sustain and maintain a real relationship.
Speaker 3: It's too hard, Yeah, it's too hard.
Speaker 1: Well froud for thought.
Speaker 2: If you've listened to the show for more than three months,
Speaker 2: you would know that up until the age of twenty
Speaker 2: six twenty seven, I had exclusively nightmares every time I'd
Speaker 2: go to sleep, so often that I would just call
Speaker 2: them dreams and not distinguish between them being nightmares or not.
Speaker 2: They were always scary about being chased or the feeling
Speaker 2: being chased.
Speaker 4: Dark rooms, dark.
Speaker 2: Houses, the apocalypse in Bondai Beach, tidal wave tsunamis buildings
Speaker 2: like being in a building and having the water rush
Speaker 2: up from the bottom and then having to at the
Speaker 2: very top and jump tons of amazing things, and so,
Speaker 2: long story short, I went to a therapist, as one does.
Speaker 2: We were talking about anxiety, and I was like, I
Speaker 2: don't think I feel anxiety in the way that you're
Speaker 2: describing it, and he's like, that's impossible given you being a
Speaker 2: person and the career filled you're in.
Speaker 4: And then later on I was like, I have nightmares
Speaker 4: every night. He's like, that is it. That's where the
Speaker 4: anxiety went.
Speaker 2: Your subconscious is trying to process what you're going through
Speaker 2: that you won't acknowledge when you're awake and conscious.
Speaker 4: Case closed.
Speaker 2: We figured it out, and then I was having a
Speaker 2: conversation with a friend right before we went on break
Speaker 2: and we were speaking about them they also had a
Speaker 2: similar experience, and he was like, oh, did your psychotherapist
Speaker 2: tell you to take out chocolate and caffeine from your
Speaker 2: diet before you go to bed?
Speaker 4: And I was like no, he's at the brain and thinking.
Speaker 2: And my friend was like, mmm, no, there's been heaps
Speaker 2: of studies to prove that if you have chocolate or
Speaker 2: sugar or any kind of caffeine in like the hour
Speaker 2: before I don't know what rem cycle or whatever in
Speaker 2: the hour before you go to sleep. It releases a
Speaker 2: kind of compound that's known to have psychoactive effects on
Speaker 2: the brain, thus inducing nightmares.
Speaker 4: And as someone.
Speaker 2: Who eats a lot of sugars and caffeine, not necessarily chocolate,
Speaker 2: I'm like, that feels like a thing also that we
Speaker 2: could have acknowledged human human Interesting.
Speaker 3: I only heard this about cheese give me nightmares or
Speaker 3: weird rad Yeah, cheese is like a classic. I haven't
Speaker 3: heard it about chocolate. I have chocolate every night before
Speaker 3: the ice cream.
Speaker 4: And so I said, what, like, what do we do
Speaker 4: that information?
Speaker 2: They're just like, you don't need to cut out chocolate, caffeine, whatever,
Speaker 2: but just don't have it right before you think you're
Speaker 2: going to go to bed in the next couple of hours.
Speaker 4: That's what I like, you know, the unwind, unwinding.
Speaker 3: Look, I'll take the nightmares for a little marble curra milk.
Speaker 4: I think so too.
Speaker 2: The more nightmares you have, the easier you're able to
Speaker 2: like self fregger like yeah, and.
Speaker 4: Just live through them.
Speaker 3: I hate them horrible.
Speaker 4: You need to have them.
Speaker 3: There always someone is getting into my door at my
Speaker 3: house with a knife, ready to come and get me.
Speaker 2: Do you know what's really disorienting and mundangering when you
Speaker 2: thought you've done your washing and you haven't done it
Speaker 2: in real life? Those ones, I think are way more
Speaker 2: disorienting a nightmare facts.
Speaker 1: So, guys, I went and saw a band the other day.
Speaker 4: Do you want to reveal who it was?
Speaker 1: Nah?
Speaker 4: Great?
Speaker 3: I see bands probably once every two weeks.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 3: I'm always out at gigging, going to gigs, g gigging.
Speaker 1: I pay for my tickets as well.
Speaker 3: I'd love to fund the huge, love to fund the
Speaker 3: arts apart.
Speaker 1: When it's a stadium tour. I'm getting some freebies, babes.
Speaker 4: And this is why I get you don't get dor
Speaker 4: spot pape. This is way to get me. You say
Speaker 4: things like that.
Speaker 3: No, I'll pay, I'll pay for my like comers locals, Yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure, for sure. And this band did an on
Speaker 3: care and I couldn't life of me understand what is
Speaker 3: the deal with encores? The biggest bands do it Tame
Speaker 3: and Parlor did an OnCore for that. I was grateful, obviously,
Speaker 3: but still there is something inherently awkward about the encore.
Speaker 3: They go off in a bang, then everyone's like ole, I.
Speaker 2: Guess yeah, because I thought about it before if you
Speaker 2: don't do an encore, do you know that idea that
Speaker 2: if you have an interaction with someone, they usually remember
Speaker 2: like the start and the end of it, how it started,
Speaker 2: how it ended, if there was like an awkward hug
Speaker 2: at the beginning, or like an awkward hug at the end.
Speaker 2: And so if you want people to feel that they
Speaker 2: had a good time, they need to end on a
Speaker 2: high note. So if a band does a whole set
Speaker 2: and ends when it's supposed to, like with the biggest song,
Speaker 2: people come down really really quickly. I heard the best
Speaker 2: song in my life, and now I'm like it's over.
Speaker 2: And so with the encore you simulate them back into
Speaker 2: this feeling of like euphoria, but at least they know
Speaker 2: it's done, so they carry that euphoria with them.
Speaker 4: I think that's.
Speaker 1: A really nice layered approach.
Speaker 3: However, there are some reasons why.
Speaker 1: Number one, it's a tradition.
Speaker 3: So what on care means in French is again, so
Speaker 3: back when music wasn't recorded and the only time to
Speaker 3: hear music was live, Oh, people would want to hear
Speaker 3: it again.
Speaker 2: Time before Spotify, imagine a time before streaming.
Speaker 3: I just that is absolutely insane music hit different back
Speaker 3: then though, I was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we want to hear it again now because
Speaker 2: we're not going to hear it again until the next
Speaker 2: time we're here, and who knows when that is.
Speaker 3: Imagine Britney is toxic. You only hear it once in
Speaker 3: your life.
Speaker 1: Horrible stuff, horrible stuff.
Speaker 3: It also gives the artists a chance to take a
Speaker 3: break and get some water. It also gives value for money.
Speaker 3: People are coming out and want to see one was wrong.
Speaker 3: It also gives the artists if they don't have a
Speaker 3: massive discography, because obviously artists bring out an album once
Speaker 3: every two years. If we're lucky for many, many years,
Speaker 3: they might not have enough material, enough new material. Have
Speaker 3: you ever heard the expression Elvis has left the building?
Speaker 1: No, he's serious.
Speaker 3: No, you've never heard the expression Elvis has left the building?
Speaker 4: No, babe, why are we all laughing at me?
Speaker 1: That's like primary schools.
Speaker 3: You thought I was doing a bit. You guys have
Speaker 3: all heard it. Yeah, Elvis has left the building. Okay,
Speaker 3: So it's like a thing that.
Speaker 4: The eagle is landed.
Speaker 3: Similar vibe, same era vibes. So people say Elvis has
Speaker 3: left the building. I say, Flex has left the building.
Speaker 3: It's because back when Elvis used to perform, his manager said,
Speaker 3: you don't do encores because you want to leave people
Speaker 3: wanting more so in order for people to not think,
Speaker 3: you know, because people are going, oh, core OnCore, and
Speaker 3: they'll get disappointed. The PA system would say, Elvis has
Speaker 3: left the building.
Speaker 4: I like that you don't do on course thing.
Speaker 2: I understand what it's meant to make you feel, but
Speaker 2: anytime I don't like the what do you call it?
Speaker 2: Like like it's like a dysphoria where you're like, like,
Speaker 2: are you coming back and you're not coming back. You're
Speaker 2: looking around up the lights coming on, they're not coming on.
Speaker 4: Are we staying? Are we going? Should we keep our spot?
Speaker 4: Do we move with the crowd.
Speaker 3: It's a bit scary, but congrats to all our friends
Speaker 3: out there making music.
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