1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: The Women Woody podcast that Fight Sized. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 2: Right now, I want to talk about Megan Markle Woods, 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,159 Speaker 2: who's had a swipe, big swipe at some of the 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: biggest TV shows in the last decade, How I Met 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 2: Your Mother and Scrubs to be exact, and whilst her 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: opinions often aren't popular, I agree with her in this instance. 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: I think it's actually it was really quite alarming, it 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: really so. What she said is that women are often 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: portrayed as crazy or their experience is minimized. When they 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: show emotion or they're passionate about things, it's diluted or 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: it's branded as crazy and then it's dismissed. Here's her 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: talking about it. 13 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 3: Jealous, surprise, worried, insecure, take your pick. Calling someone crazy 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: or hysterical completely dismisses their experience. It minimizes what they're feeling. 15 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 4: It's actually a way for to stay on top of 16 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 4: the workplace as well, isn't it. 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:03,959 Speaker 2: Yeah anywhere? 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, sorry, exactly right, exactly right, because as 19 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 4: Meghan said, as soon as they do show passion or 20 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 4: get angry, for then a man to then just dismiss that, 21 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 4: then immediately they're they're they're in their power position again 22 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 4: in the discussion or argument. 23 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: Think about the amount of times that you've I mean, 24 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: particularly when we were younger, you would talk to a 25 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: mate about his breakup. The reason that you would say like, oh, 26 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: why did you know? Why did you guys break up? 27 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: And they'd go, oh, she was nuts, She's totally crazy. 28 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 4: And that's all through the TV culture as well, isn't 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 4: it pop culture? Like yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a 30 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 4: movie called My Super Crazy Ex Girlfriend, isn't there. Yes, Yes, 31 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 4: I think like, yeah, they're titling films. 32 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: That or even if you ever saw that movie, he's 33 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: just not that into you, Like all the women in 34 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: that movie were branded as crazy x's or crazy women 35 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: who are following these stoic men around. Look, the examples 36 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: she's used are How I Met Your Mother and Scrubs, 37 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 2: And obviously I went through well, not me personally, Tim 38 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: theham Sandwich went through audios of episodes of How I 39 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 2: Met Your Mother and Scrubs, And it's like confronting a 40 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: girl is allowed to be crazy as long as she 41 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: is equally hot. 42 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 4: Plus, if she's this crazy, she has to be this hot. 43 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: I cannot hide the crazy a minute longer. 44 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 4: I'm just just big Mount mc cook is about to 45 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 4: erupt and just few molt and crazy ol over him 46 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 4: and he's going to die like this. 47 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: Wow, it's startling. It reminded me of the chat we 48 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: had to share my mood chat with Steph Claire Smith 49 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: recently and she said exactly this same point. 50 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 5: Why I'm so shameful of it, I think is because, 51 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 5: I mean, women often get labeled as crazy, you know, 52 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 5: if we're if we're a bit feisty, and I know, 53 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:59,119 Speaker 5: it's so easy. 54 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: Or a bitchas so it's such a quick, quick brand, 55 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: isn't it. If you're a confident woman. I think I've 56 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: heard Julia Gillard speak really well about that. You can't 57 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 2: be a confident woman without. 58 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 4: Being a bit so don't show emotion. I feel like 59 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 4: women get that a lot, like oh god, bit emotional. 60 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 4: It's like, excuse me, hi, am I supposed to act 61 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 4: like a robot? 62 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 6: Whereas men. 63 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: Men don't get that. 64 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 6: Man it's like, oh, you're passionate. 65 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: Sure, there's a lot of women who are listening to 66 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: this right now who'd love to add their voice, and 67 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: I would actually love to hear it. So thirty one 68 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: O six five what situation were you in where you 69 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: were emotional or passionate and you were dismissed or told 70 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: to keep calm thirty one oh six five. I love 71 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: to hear them. Some women out next tell us when 72 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: this has happened to you. 73 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 4: Some un called dean keeps calling dean. Topic's not for you, 74 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 4: A big guy. 75 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 6: That's real. 76 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: Hey, Megan, Mirkle's taken aim at how I met your 77 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: mother and scrubs for how women can be unfairly branded 78 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: as crazy. Have listened to this girl is allowed to 79 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: be crazy as long as she is equally hot. 80 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: Plus, if she's this crazy, she has to be this hot. 81 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: I cannot hide the crazy a minute longer. 82 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 4: I'm just this big Mount mccoka is about to errapt 83 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 4: and just few molt and crazy ol over. 84 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 6: Him, and he's going to die like this. 85 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: I'm not someone who generally agrees with Megan Markle, but 86 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: just got a point. This is alarming. I'm a big 87 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: fan of both those shows Woods and Undeniable, and we're 88 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: taking calls on this now and the phone lines are 89 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 2: absolutely blown out that women consistently when they're passionate or 90 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 2: emotional are dismissed or silenced or branded as crazy, and 91 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 2: it reduces their experience. Yeah on, Hi, how are we going? Yeah, 92 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: good mate, you've been in this situation. 93 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 6: I've been in an interesting situation. So I've had a 94 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 6: bloke tell me that inside a corporate environment at work, 95 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 6: to my faith, it's that I needed to be put 96 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 6: in my place and I needed to be quiet. Yeah, yeah, 97 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 6: that was that was an interesting one. So my response 98 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 6: to that was obviously to fly back and put him 99 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 6: in a position or in a place where he can't 100 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 6: speak to me, or make sure that he wouldn't say 101 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 6: that back to any any woman or anybody for that matter. 102 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 6: You know, I'm not saying that it's a gender specific thing, 103 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 6: but I basically told him that he's not there to 104 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 6: choose where I stand, and my place is where I say. 105 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: My place is. 106 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 6: Wow, And then that's the way that the world works. 107 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 6: So oh yeah, Look, I grew up sort of overseas 108 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 6: and in a society where you know, women are like 109 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,239 Speaker 6: taken out really really young, and we experienced like mixed 110 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 6: martial arts, and we mixed in, you know, with all 111 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 6: sorts of genders and culture and things like that. So 112 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 6: that wasn't going to put me off my game at all. 113 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 6: But watch this person try though. 114 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's rife, isn't it. It's everywhere that same 115 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 2: sense of you know, he said trying If I'm sure 116 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: he was probably just used to being able to do that. 117 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: Stacy on thirty one and sixty five, You work in 118 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: a male dominated industry. 119 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I am a female in construction, and essentially 120 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 3: being in a male dominated industry, I'm consistently belittled, always 121 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 3: put down whenever I speak up, whether there's a room 122 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: full of men who agree with me or not. If 123 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: I'm the last person to speak to speak or the 124 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 3: loudest voice in the room, I will always be called, 125 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 3: you know, a bitch, sorry where or told that I'm 126 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 3: defensive or wherever, whatever it may be. I could be 127 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 3: the smartest person in the room, but because I'm the 128 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 3: only female in that room, I'm always pretty much put 129 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: in my place and shoved down. Aren't door closed on me? 130 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 3: Sort of? Not literally, but essentially I can't be the 131 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: person who's the smartest in the room because nobody thinks 132 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 3: my opinion is as valid as a man who's there 133 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 3: with me. 134 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 4: Wow, it hits their insecurity, It hits their insecurity. And 135 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 4: then they go, they're embarrassed that probably what you've said 136 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 4: is better than what they've said. And I think the 137 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 4: really sad thing about this, and well, I don't know 138 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 4: if you've seen that, but I feel like I've seen 139 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 4: before as well, like someone do this to someone in 140 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 4: the workplace, and then if they get angry with being 141 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 4: told that, it's almost like then they go, oh, see, 142 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 4: I prove my point, And that's it's just a you know, 143 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 4: do you know what I'm talking about? It's like and 144 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 4: if you get angry about the comment I've just said 145 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 4: to you, then you're proving my point. It's gross. 146 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that's exactly right. You're in an undefendable position, 147 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 2: aren't you. Right. Yeah, we're talking about Megan Markle saying 148 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: that the shows How I Met Your Mother and Scrubs 149 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: have labeled women as crazy and how dismiss if that is, 150 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: how belittling that is to their aerience. Whenever a woman 151 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: gets emotional or passionate about something, how quickly that can happen, 152 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: and ge whiz, the phone lines are blown up here Gil, 153 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: you've got an example of this, Jill, Jill, I should say, 154 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: you've been you've been written in his Gilbert carry on, Jill. 155 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: That is how it's spelt. So she's done. 156 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: Well, there you go, carry on, Jill. I was wondering 157 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: why a guy was calling for this segment. I was like, 158 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: hang on for the wrong bit, Jill. 159 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: Carry on. 160 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: So my experience was during my birth of my first child, 161 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: and it was not a pleasant experience. It's quite painful, 162 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: as I'm sure many women listening might know. And so 163 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: I was screaming and letting out a few profanities, and 164 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: my husband was stood in the corner of the room 165 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: eating a mc donald's burger and he just goesay, Bay, 166 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: could you turn it down a bit? 167 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: Oh my, oh my gosh, you're joking. 168 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: No, I mean, in all fan, it was his first 169 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: experience too, that he didn't know what to expect. But 170 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: he's lucky he was standing on the other side of 171 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: the room. 172 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 3: Now you're done with that, why not check out more 173 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 3: from Willen Woody on The Full Show podcast.