1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: We are going to head across right now and find 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: out a little bit more about the changes to the 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Sacred Sites Act. As I said, the government's forging ahead 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: with a couple of pieces of legislation and the reform 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: agenda when Parliament resumes. The Petroleum Planning and Water Legislation 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 1: Amendment Bill of twenty twenty five is going to be 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: debated this week, as are amendments to the nt Aboriginal 8 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: Sacred Sites Act of nineteen eighty nine. It's not been 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: updated in more than thirty years. It's also going to 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: be on the agenda. 11 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: Now. 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: Joining us on the line is the Minister for Lands, 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: Planning and Environment, Joshua Burgoyne. Good morning to your minister. 14 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: Good morning Katy, Good morning to your listeners. 15 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: Great have you on the show now, Minister, what are 16 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: these proposed changes to the Sacred Sites Act? 17 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: Certainly Candy So yesterday I announced the press conference that 18 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: I'm seeking to introduce amendments to the ant Amitable Sacred 19 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: Sites Act. These amendments that we're looking at are around 20 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: the transferability of authority certificates. Currently. I always use this example, 21 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: if you own a large cattle stationing, you've got an 22 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: arper clearance. When you go to sell that cattle station, 23 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: the ARP certificate doesn't actually stay with the property. A 24 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 2: new owner has to come in and essentially reapply, restart 25 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: the whole process again to get another ART certificate. So 26 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: the transferability is something that I've been hearing from a 27 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: lot of people. They want to see in the sacred 28 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: site sect. There's also going to be enforceable undertakings. Currently 29 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: if anyone works within a restricted work area near a 30 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 2: sacred site, near a sacred site, the authority has been 31 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 2: very clear to me that their only course of action 32 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: is to take someone to court. They would like to 33 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 2: be able to deal with some of these issues under 34 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: enforceable undertakings. That may mean that someone has to ensure 35 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: that they return the area to how it was before 36 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: they got there, rather than taken to court and going 37 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: through costly and lengthy judicial processes. And also formalizing membership arrangements. 38 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: The Act is from nineteen eighty nine and it's very 39 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: unclear as to there's currently twelve members which the Land 40 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: Councils essentially put to the minister. They put I think 41 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: it's twenty four members and from that the Minister selects 42 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: twelve so that they represent all the land councils across 43 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 2: the territory and there's two government members on there. So 44 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: we're just formalizing those arrangements because there's some the Act 45 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 2: is old and needs to be modernized. 46 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: So that's now going to be how it's made up. 47 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: Is that what it's going to see those members on there? 48 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, So it's already that case case. I 49 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: think when we're talking about legislation sometimes the way things 50 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 2: are written and the way that they're interpreted can be 51 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: a bit different. So that's really just ensuring that it's 52 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 2: very clear in the Act as to how the members 53 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: are selected and how the appointment from the Minister are 54 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: appointed as well. But what everyone's been talking about in 55 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: the media is obviously the transferability and the enforceable undertakings. 56 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: Is what I guess people may not have understood is 57 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: also what we're really looking to do to strengthen the 58 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: Sacred Sites Act. 59 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: Well, look, I guess you know, to some listening this morning, 60 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: they might be sort of thinking to themselves, how is 61 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: this going to change things in a practical sense. I mean, 62 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: you're saying it's going to strengthen things when it comes 63 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: to the Sacred Sites Act. Some listening this morning might 64 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: be thinking, well, is it going to make it harder? 65 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: Is it going to make it easier? What kind of 66 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: difference is it going to make if you're trying to 67 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: get a project up and running near a sacred site 68 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: or on a sacred site. 69 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Look, we've been very clear with our government's agenda. 70 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: We're trying to streamline processes and cut red tape across 71 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: government to essentially attract investment. But what's really important with 72 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: this act is that we also need to ensure that 73 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: we're protecting those sacred sites. So what I want to 74 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: ensure is that everyone that comes to the Northern Territory 75 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: is getting their art the clearances and once they have that, 76 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: because it can be quite a costly exercise. Some are 77 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: pertificates can cost tens of thousands, if not hundreds of 78 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: thousands of dollars once you've gone through all the consultation processes. 79 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: They can take months to acquire. Once you had that certificate, 80 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: I want everyone to ensure that they're protecting the sacred sites. 81 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: But then if they were to sell the property, if 82 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: it's a say a mine, and they've got an arper 83 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: clearance and they had new ownership. As long as they're 84 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: conducting the exact same sort of activity and the original 85 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 2: activity that was approved through the art of clearance that 86 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: isn't changing. There will be that availability for transferability. And 87 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: it's something that a lot of people have spoken to 88 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: me about since coming into this office, Katie, is that 89 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: unfortunately the current the current mechanisms in play are just 90 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 2: too difficult to work with. They'd like some improvement and 91 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 2: that's really what we're trying to work around here, Josh. 92 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: Last year we saw a situation where Territory Day celebrations 93 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: were almost moved as a result of concerns around the 94 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: site at min All. That was despite events happening there 95 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: for years. Are you concerned that the goal posts change 96 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: at different times and make it more difficult to get 97 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: projects underway or is it a matter of, you know, 98 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,559 Speaker 1: as time goes on, we maybe become more educated about 99 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: some of these sites. 100 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely, And at the end of the day, I 101 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: think that's my key and goal here and I know 102 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 2: it's certainly the Sacred Sites Team, which is currently known 103 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 2: as up at the Aboriginal Area Protections Authority. They want 104 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: to ensure that we can conduct everything we want to 105 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: but also protect those sacred sites. So I think for myself, 106 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 2: I can understand there's going to be a lot of 107 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: talk in regards to this. I've met with the or Board, 108 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 2: I've met with land councils. There's going to be a 109 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: lot of conversation. But what I am seeking to do 110 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 2: here is to strengthen the Act, to ensure that we 111 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 2: can streamline some of those processes and essentially move forward 112 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: as we have with a range of our legislation to 113 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: get the economy moving here in the Northern Territory. 114 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: Minister, we just caught up with the opposition leader, Selena Ubo. 115 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: She said, you know, you may well have met with 116 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: those different stakeholders or groups, you know, the lands councils, 117 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: but no detail has been provided. Is there going to 118 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: be that detail and that you know, quite a level 119 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: of detail provided. 120 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, Katie, and I think this is what a 121 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: lot of people get sort of confused about the proper 122 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: process for all the bills that go through Parliament. We 123 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 2: introduced the bill that then sits on the notice paper 124 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 2: for over twenty eight days. Everyone will have the ability 125 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: to scrutinize, to look at that bill. As I said earlier, 126 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 2: I met with up Aboard in January. At the end 127 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: of January, we spoke about some of the possible changes 128 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 2: there to get their feel for some of those things. Obviously, 129 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: the leader of the opposition wasn't in that room at 130 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: that time. But I've been trying to meet with as 131 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 2: many people as they can chat about some of the 132 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: changes we're looking at. And this all stems from a 133 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen review into the Sacred Sites Act about how 134 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: there could be improvements made. So this was a review 135 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: that was done eight years just before the previous COLP 136 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: government lost power. Obviously, as with a lot of reviews, 137 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: Labor didn't want to look at it or touch it. 138 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: They threw it in the bin. I've sort of come in. 139 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: I've heard loudly and clearly from everyone that's been coming 140 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: through my office about what they would like to see. 141 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: I've looked at some of those recommendations from that previous 142 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: review and gone, how can we go about making the 143 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: Sacred Site Sack more modern and strengthen it. 144 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: There's look, my mind's in my mind is so split 145 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: on this, Josh. I know there's some people that will 146 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: be going are there going to be avenues for appeals 147 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: on decisions and are you trying to sort of bypass 148 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: traditional owner approval for projects. But then the other side 149 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: of it is, you know, sometimes people feel like they 150 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: cannot get a project up because an area that they 151 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: didn't think was a sacred site has a sacred area nearby, 152 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: or the goalpost change in different ways. So to anybody 153 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: listening this morning, I mean, you know, what do you 154 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: say to them in terms of wanting to get things moving, 155 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: but you know other sort of feeling as though you're 156 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: trying to bypass, you know, bypass traditional owners. 157 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: Absolutely, O kay, I think I said it earlier and 158 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: I'll say it again. I want to ensure that everyone 159 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: has that arper certificate so they can go about the 160 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: works and know where these sacred sites are. Where the confusion, 161 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: where the frustration comes into play, is that the original 162 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: process that was worked through to get an ARPA certificate 163 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: to tell you where the sacred sites are is not transferable. 164 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: So you can literally go out, you can buy a 165 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: block of land, get your upper clearance. Next week you go, oh, 166 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: unfortunately I have to sell the block of land and 167 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: a new proponent that wants to buy it off, you 168 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: cannot pick up that arper certificate and use it, I guess, 169 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: to protect themselves. So it's about ensuring that when we're 170 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: looking at these things, we're strengthening that UPER certificate now 171 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 2: is going to be like a golden ticket. Everyone is 172 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: going to want one because once you have it, it's 173 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: there in perpetuity. It will be there to protect you 174 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 2: and the sacred sites, and it will mean that as 175 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 2: we go into the future, I'm hoping it will strengthen. 176 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 2: It will strengthen the actual ARP certificate or in this case, 177 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: the Sacred Sites Certificate that you'll end up with from 178 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: now and into the future. 179 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: And then what about in a situation where you know, 180 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: like we had last year on Territory Day, where there 181 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: has been a location that we've been utilizing for years 182 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: and years, but then conjecture comes up and you know, 183 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 1: all of a sudden we're looking at not using that 184 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: location anymore. I mean, how are you going to kind 185 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: of safeguard I get what you're saying in terms of 186 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: that certificate will hopefully mean that there's no longer you know, 187 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: that confusion in place. But do you see what I'm 188 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: getting at here? Where some people think that they're okay 189 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: to go ahead with the project. Then someone changes their 190 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: mind and then you can no longer move ahead with 191 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: that project or that event. 192 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think the UP certificate removes a lot 193 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 2: of that uncertainty because you know exactly what you can 194 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: undertake and what you can't. I guess I always use 195 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: example of there's lots of sacred trees along the side 196 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: the highway. You may not know you're driving past them, 197 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: but they're there, so you come closer to these things 198 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: all the time. You just wouldn't even know it until 199 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 2: obviously you need to expand the road or do something else, 200 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you're very much aware of it. 201 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: So I think it's again there may be areas along 202 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: that that stretch of beach which in the past, you know, 203 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 2: everyone's just gone about the way in which they have. 204 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: Someone all of a sudden looks to alter or to 205 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: do what they're doing, and then all of a sudden 206 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 2: there's questions about it. But I think for the most part, 207 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: a lot of these areas they're there for everyone to see, 208 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: whether you know that they're or not, And as long 209 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: as everyone's being respectful, you can continue to take part 210 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: in all the activities that you always have just with 211 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: the knowledge of where these areas are. 212 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: But is it going to slow things down? 213 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm certainly hoping it won't slow things down, Katie. 214 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: It's about, I guess the undertaking that once you've gone 215 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,359 Speaker 2: through the lengthy process of getting an up a certificate, 216 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: it is just that it is up a certificate. It 217 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: is there, you've got the approvals, you've done all all 218 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: the relevant consultation, and then should you wish to sell, 219 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: should you wish to change entities, there's the ability for transferability. 220 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 2: And if in the rare occurrence where there is damage 221 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 2: if you work in one of those restricted work areas, 222 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: rather than up at just their only avenue is taking 223 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: you to court, they can actually work with proponents to 224 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 2: do an enforceable undertaking, which is something that toos have 225 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: actually raised as well. There might be a big mind 226 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 2: that's about to get underway and the local traditional owners 227 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 2: are going to benefit from that. But if if they 228 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: work in slightly the wrong area, that's not desecrating a 229 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 2: sacred site, that's just perhaps working in a restricted work 230 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: area that up by the letter of the law, have 231 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 2: to take you to court by having these enforceable undertakings. 232 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: They can work with the proponent, work with TOOS and 233 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 2: say how can we best move through this process. There 234 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: could be a fine, there could be other undertakings to 235 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: reinstate the area to how it was, and then we 236 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 2: can everyone can move forward. So it's just about giving 237 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: The Act is over thirty five years old, it's as 238 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 2: old as ion, Katie, and it hasn't really been changed 239 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 2: in that time. It's about modernizing, it's about improving it. 240 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,599 Speaker 1: Hey, just really quickly. I know the Petroleum Planning and 241 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: Water Legislation Amendment Bill is also going to be debated 242 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: this week. What amendments are we going to see or 243 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: what changes are we going to see? 244 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: There? Absolutely, Katie. This is all in regards to the 245 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,599 Speaker 2: Merits review. So what's been happening more recently is that 246 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: environmental activists, when they're ideologically opposed to it, it might 247 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: be a gas project. The gas project goes through a 248 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 2: stringent amount of approval, so they literally get the environment 249 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: Management Plan, they go through NTEPA, they do flaora and 250 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: fauna studies, they do all these impact assessments, they go 251 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 2: through all that, they get all the ticks, they dot 252 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 2: every eye, they cross every tee and then someone can 253 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 2: review the merits on which the decision was made. And 254 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: it's essentially been used at the moment as a bit 255 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: of a tactic to delay and disrupt. This is something 256 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: that hasn't gone across. It's not in the mining legislation. 257 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 2: It's very ad hoc as to where it is in 258 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 2: place and isn't in place. We're removing this once again 259 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 2: to give certainty the business. Once you get all your approvals, 260 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 2: once you've done all the right things, and approval will 261 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: mean an approval again in the Northern Territory. 262 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: Well Minister for Lands Planning and Environment, Joshua Burgoyne, we 263 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: will leave it there. I know you've got to get 264 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: into Parliament. Really appreciate your time this morning. 265 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 2: Not at all, Katie, have a good day. 266 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: Thank you.