1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: It is just eighteen minutes after ten o'clock and we 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,279 Speaker 1: know that the Real Estate Institute of the Northern Territory 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: has released it's September quarter data which shows that sales 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: volumes in both houses and units across the Greater Darwin 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: region continued to climb at a good rate this quarter, 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: but the medium price on both flattened as the focus 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: of the purchases moved more to properties under that six 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollar mark. Now joining us on the line 9 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: to tell us a little bit more about the situation 10 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: is Quentin Killian, the CEO of the Real Estate Institute 11 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: here in the Northern Territory. Good morning to you, Quentin. 12 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 2: Morning Katie. 13 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: Quentin. As I've just said there that September quarter data, 14 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: it does show the sales volumes continue to climb. What 15 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: kind of numbers are we talking about, Well. 16 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: What we saw for houses, we saw about a seven 17 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: point nine percent increase in sales volume quarter on quarter, 18 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: so we saw around three hundred and ninety six houses 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: tach dwelling sold in the quarter. That The big news though, 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 2: is that if you did a year on year comparison, 21 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 2: so looking at the same time last year, that's an 22 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: eighty nine point five percent jump in sales volume from 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: what we saw last year, so it's a good increase. Now, 24 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: we did talk about in the opening part there how 25 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 2: the median price is pulled back a little bit. When 26 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: I say a little bit, we're talking about zero point 27 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 2: eight of a percent, so it's not a huge movement 28 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: in the median price. It just settled it a little bit, 29 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: and predominantly that's because we saw a larger volume of 30 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: houses selling under that six hundred thousand dollar mark, So 31 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: the median price basically is that middle point in all 32 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: of the sales that have occurred the previous quarter. We 33 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: saw a little bit more activity in that higher bracket, 34 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: so that pushed the median up a little bit, but 35 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: the medians still sitting around that. It's currently sitting at 36 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: five hundred seventy five thousand, five hundred, so it's around 37 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: that five p eighty five seventy five mark. 38 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: And Quentin, are we seeing any areas that are more 39 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: popular or that are seeing a greater sales Grice. 40 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 2: Well, we are actually in the housing market, so in 41 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: the detached housing we actually saw quite a sizeable jump 42 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: in sales in Palmerston in this quarter. With one hundred 43 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: and sixty eight sales go through in houses, which is 44 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: again a seven percent jump on the last quarter, but 45 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: an eighty four percent jump on the same time last year. 46 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: And for the unit market, perhaps the strongest market was 47 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: the Inner Dahu and Inner City area where we actually 48 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: saw two hundred and nine transactions go through in the quarter, 49 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: which was a thirty six point six percent jump on 50 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: sales volume from the last quarter and one hundred and 51 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 2: thirteen percent up from the last time for from this 52 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: time last year, so that was quite a healthy movement 53 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: Parmeerston and they actually didn't do too badly either, forty 54 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: one units sold in the last quarter, which is an 55 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 2: eighty six percent jump on the quarter on quarter, so 56 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 2: that one that market is again starting to move, and 57 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: a lot of that has to do with both pricing, 58 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: so people are still seeing the right pricing in the market, 59 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 2: they're still seeing the opportunities. But we're also seeing a 60 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: lot more activity from the investor market, which is good 61 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: because once we bring the investors back into the market, 62 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: we actually start to create more rental stock. Investors generally 63 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: are not looking for owner occupy, they're looking for rental 64 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: yields and Therefore they look at the market and say, 65 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: how can I get the best return on this and 66 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: when they purchase, they want to get that back in 67 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: and get a tenant in there. So that's great. If 68 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: we can get more investors in, it means we can 69 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: get more stock back into the rental market, which means 70 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: it starts to ease that rental pressure a little bit. 71 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: And how are things going for our friends in Catherine 72 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: and also in Alice Springs. 73 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: So Catherine is as always at a bloint market because 74 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: there's very little stock there, so it moves up and 75 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: down quite rapidly. But the last quarter was actually quite healthy. 76 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 2: They saw one hundred and sixteen percent jump in sales volume. 77 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 2: But we've got to take that in the measure. It 78 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 2: is because they are small numbers, so when they move 79 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: you'll see quite large percentage jumps. But it was a good, 80 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: good month or a good quarter, I should say. For Catherine, 81 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 2: thirty nine house sales generating a median price around three 82 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty five thousand, So that's still a very 83 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: good medium to buy into that market. Only six unit sales, 84 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 2: but then again there is very limited supply of units 85 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: coming to the market and the unit price came in 86 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: around two hundred and thirty two thousand as a medium, 87 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: so again still good buying value. Alice Spring saw over 88 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: one hundred hunter fact one hundred and three houses sold 89 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 2: in the court, which was a twenty one percent jump 90 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: in their volume, and their median is sitting at four 91 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty five thousand. That actually came back a 92 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 2: little bit more than the Darwin market that slipped about 93 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 2: two and a half percent, which tended to indicate to 94 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 2: me that perhaps eat It overheated a little in the 95 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: last two quarters and was just writing itself a little bit. 96 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 2: And in the unit market, they also had a good 97 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: strong quarter with five point six percent increase of fifty 98 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 2: seven units sold at a median price for units around 99 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty thousand. So generally, what we're seeing 100 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: right across the territory is good, strong sales activity and 101 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: the median seems to be finding a comfortable point at 102 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: the moment that it's sort of hovering around. It's taken 103 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: a run up over the last two quarters, and now 104 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 2: it seems to be leveling out a little bit. 105 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: And Quentin, what about when you talk about you know, 106 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: when you do talk about the rental markets and those 107 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: vacancy rates, how things tracking around Darwin. 108 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: Firstly, look, they're very very tight. The rental market is 109 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: still extremely tight. We showed a rental vacancy rate of 110 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: one point nine percent across Greater Darwin, which is an 111 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: extremely tight market by any stretch, but it gets even 112 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: tighter when you sort of break it down a little bit. 113 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 2: So in Palmerston it was around the same one point 114 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 2: nine percent. That's combining all dwellings, that's houses and units, 115 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: but in Catherine it was one percent and an Ala 116 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: Springs one point five percent. And if you go down 117 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: to look at more granular level for Catherine, the house 118 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 2: vacancy was less than half a percent, so it was 119 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: actually zero point five percent. And in the rural market 120 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: there is no units available at the moment, so they're 121 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 2: showing a zero percent vacancy rate in the unit area 122 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 2: and it is a tight type market. And again that's 123 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: another reason for us to be looking at the investor 124 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: market and trying to encourage investors to come in because 125 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: when they come in, they buy it that stock, and yes, 126 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: it does start to take away stock from house buyers, 127 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: but it also then generates material or new stock into 128 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: the rental market. 129 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: And no doubt I'm assuming that those prices are quite 130 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: high as well. In the rental market. 131 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: Yes, they have continued to fill upward pressure, So we're 132 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: looking at an average or a median rent on a 133 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: three bedroom home is coming in around five eighty eight 134 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: point fifty per week, and a two bedroom unit is 135 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: averaging around four hundred and twenty three dollars per week. 136 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: So both the markets, the house market and the unit 137 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 2: market did see more upward pressure in the last quarter 138 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: on nts, and that's just largely due to supply and demand. 139 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: So you know, we have a situation where for the 140 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: last five or six years, rents have fallen quite dramatically 141 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: because there was little demand and a lot of supply. Well, 142 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: that market has now shifted to very little supply and 143 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: a lot of demand, and so the equation on rents 144 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: unfortunately has shifted as well. 145 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: Well. Quentin. It certainly makes for some interesting reading. And 146 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: I know that that for some people probably maybe a 147 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: bit difficult to be able to get into the rental 148 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: market and a little bit more expensive than what they 149 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: might hope for. But if you're looking to sell your house, 150 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: it's probably a good time to do it. 151 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 2: By the look of it. Look, I mean if that's 152 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 2: if that's your desire, then certainly I would be talking 153 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: to your real estate agent about getting it appraisal and 154 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 2: your property to find out what it's worth and having 155 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: a chat to them about what the process would be. Equally, 156 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: the market is still well priced when you make comparisons 157 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: against other capital cities, and I really would be urging 158 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 2: people to say, well, if you are in the market 159 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: and you're looking to buy, go and talk to your broker, 160 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: talk to them about what your opportunities are, and what 161 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: your affordability is, what your purchasing power is, and really 162 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: seriously have a look at the marketplace. While these prices 163 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: still exist, and while we still have access to very 164 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 2: very low interest rates, even with the opera rules changing 165 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: slightly to increase that lending buffer, it still is a 166 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 2: good buying equation when you can get mortgages that start 167 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: with a one compared to a three or a four 168 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: or five. So it's still very much a good buying 169 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: opportunity in the marketplace. 170 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: Well, Quentin Killian, the Real Estate Institute of the Northern 171 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: Territory CE are always good to talk to you, mate. 172 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: Thanks for your time today. 173 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: Absolute pleasure, Katie. Thank you.