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Speaker 1: Joining me on the line right now is the Independent

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Speaker 1: Member for Goiter Kesier Puric. Good morning, Kezier.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good morning Katie Kesier. Yeah, that was an interesting text,

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Speaker 2: that one, and that's I agree with that person sent

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Speaker 2: that in. It seems like it's been pushed towards the

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Speaker 2: industry and the business person yet again to sort out

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Speaker 2: the problems that through this government's lack of policy and

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Speaker 2: inactivity is creating the issues that we've got currently.

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Speaker 1: Kezia, what did you make of the announcement the Chief

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Speaker 1: Minister made and the interview that we just did with

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Speaker 1: her in terms of these changes.

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Speaker 2: I didn't hear your interview, but I did see her

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Speaker 2: do the live feed of the news conference with the

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Speaker 2: Deputy Commissioner Murphy and also Alex Bruce from the Hotel.

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Speaker 2: People review the bailaws, do it immediately. This is not

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Speaker 2: rocket science. We know what needs to be done. We've

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Speaker 2: got this week and next week of sittings. They could

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Speaker 2: get a bill done on urgency. You know, the Pariaty

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Speaker 2: Council could work around the clock as they sometimes do.

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Speaker 2: It's about a person on the streets having a weapon

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Speaker 2: of some kind. There's already weapons laws, there's already you know,

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Speaker 2: laws that deal with that kind of activity, they just

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Speaker 2: need to be strengthened. So how long is this review

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Speaker 2: going to take? They didn't say.

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Speaker 1: Well, I asked her that. She said it's happening immediately

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Speaker 1: and that the changes would come into play straight away.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know if anyone quite believes some keasier.

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Speaker 2: How can they come in straight away change a piece

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Speaker 2: of legislation? Yes, yes, how that person got bail in

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Speaker 2: the first place, the perpetrator, that's a question, and maybe

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Speaker 2: that can be looked at on the court documents. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, but I just find it interesting, she says,

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Speaker 2: straight away. But give us what straight away is next week, month,

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Speaker 2: two months? Like there are others out there probably just

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Speaker 2: watching what's happening and thinking, well, you know, yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: been held in cont of this fellow on remand whatever.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it's not sending a strong message the

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Speaker 2: would be perpetrated.

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Speaker 1: Kees. Here is a big question I've got this morning.

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Speaker 1: We know this overnight, some of it out in your

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Speaker 1: electorate four. You have gone on an overnight crime spread

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Speaker 1: across the Greater Dawin region. Right. Police say that the

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Speaker 1: youths used to stolen vehicle to ram rate into the

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Speaker 1: Puma at Fanny Bay, also allegedly breaking into the Humpty

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Speaker 1: Doo golf club, Berry Springs Tavern and the BP at Weinelli.

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Speaker 1: What are these changes going to do to stop something

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Speaker 1: like that happening.

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Speaker 2: They're not They're not going to do anything. This is

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Speaker 2: after the fact. You know the crimes are being committed.

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Speaker 2: You know there needs to be a sweet a suite

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Speaker 2: of changes and they need to be done now. Whether

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Speaker 2: it's the bail laws, we need to look at that now,

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Speaker 2: they need to implement something now, they need to look

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Speaker 2: at the resourting now, Katie. An interesting thing on that

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Speaker 2: interview with Deputy Commissioner Michael Murphy. He said, very specifically,

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Speaker 2: we have plenty of police right now to deal with this.

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Speaker 2: So how come we've got plenty of police right now,

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Speaker 2: But Deputy Commissioner small Pay says is coronial we need

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Speaker 2: three hundred more extra police.

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Speaker 1: So a bloody good question. It's one that you've been asking, true,

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Speaker 1: that's right, it's one that you've been asking and it's

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Speaker 1: also one that the oppositeition leader has tried a few

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Speaker 1: times to have a review into Kesier. Is this something

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Speaker 1: that we either need a review or there needs to

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Speaker 1: be further discussion on.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it does. I mean, okay, so they're equipping they're

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Speaker 2: equipping the transit officers on buses with capsican straight fine,

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Speaker 2: possibly bouncers fine, you know, crowd controlers. That's fine. But

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Speaker 2: then they talk about perhaps you know, barriers at the

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Speaker 2: bottle shops. That's the expense for the business owner. Again,

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Speaker 2: so you know, everything gets pushed back to industry. Yes,

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Speaker 2: they're doing it in collaboration. Of course they are, because

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Speaker 2: they're their members and that's what they do. But the

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Speaker 2: government has to act this week and next week before

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Speaker 2: another person loses their life or another family gets you know,

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Speaker 2: torn apart. Yes, yes, I have no issue reviewing the

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Speaker 2: bail laws, but you know what needs to be changed,

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Speaker 2: Chief Minutes, So so just get your team onto it.

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Speaker 1: Asa t Well and Keser, I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: you and I a lot of the community are really

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Speaker 1: very I've gone from feeling very sad to quite angry.

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Speaker 1: I've got to tell you it was over the last

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Speaker 1: few weeks and months I've asked the Chief Minister I

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Speaker 1: don't know how many times whether they need to review

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Speaker 1: the bail laws or whether they need to change some

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Speaker 1: of their policy settings, and she had said that they

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Speaker 2: Well, clearly they didn't, and even yesterday imparliment here, so

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Speaker 2: the Chief Minister and others were saying, no, no, we've

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Speaker 2: got the right services, everything's okay, all these lovely wrap

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Speaker 2: around services and multi laid and multifaceted, bloody complete and

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Speaker 2: complexity issues. You know, clearly they didn't. So was the

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Speaker 2: Chief Minister not telling the truth and the lead of

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Speaker 2: government business where they're not telling the truth in Parliament

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Speaker 2: yesterday when they said pretty much we've got the right

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Speaker 2: policy settings. Sched you're saying, and then suddenly today I

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Speaker 2: know we've got a review legislation. We've got to put

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Speaker 2: all these changes in to make workplaces safer. Have no

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Speaker 2: issue with the government doing an audit, you know, work

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Speaker 2: Safe looking at things because apart from the alleged murder,

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Speaker 2: there's also a workplace incident. So how quickly is WORKFAFE

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Speaker 2: as to what happened keys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I think they're all incredibly good questions and

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Speaker 1: things that need to be answered, which was why I

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Speaker 1: there was actually some very valid questions being asked by

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Speaker 1: the Independence and the opposition. And I've got to tell you,

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Speaker 1: I thought the behavior of the government was embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: Well, the lead of Governmentsiness business Chance he paid when

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Speaker 2: he responded to the photo no confidence motion by the

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Speaker 2: opposition basically just put on a show pony performance and

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Speaker 2: didn't really address the core issue or the core problem

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Speaker 2: of what we're experiencing them, you know, and just just

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Speaker 2: did the political grandstanding. Oh, you know, you've lost, you've

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Speaker 2: lost members, lost by elections, lost, you know, your president,

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Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff. I'll get over it. That's facts.

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Speaker 2: People come and go. You know, sometimes you win, sometimes

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Speaker 2: you're losing this game. That's not what the community out there,

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Speaker 2: like you, Katie and your listeners want to hear. They

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Speaker 2: want to hear Due's issues like, yes, they can have

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Speaker 2: confidence in it. Yes, the community can have confidence that

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Speaker 2: our laws are robust. Yes, they can have confidence that

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Speaker 2: we will do all we can to make sure police

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Speaker 2: requip with the necessary resources to deal with the issues

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Speaker 2: in our community. That's what the community wanted. Here, Leah

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Speaker 2: is saying, if Nacara saying we don't have confidence and

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Speaker 2: and from what I've seen so far this morning, that

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Speaker 2: anger hasn't gone away or subsided. It's just I would

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Speaker 2: even say it's even growing because they're not believing the

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Speaker 2: government one little bit and they have no confidence and

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Speaker 2: that's what it's all about. They have no confidence. Sadly

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Speaker 2: for the government, the Chief Minister and all her ministers.

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Speaker 2: They have no confidence that what you say will actually

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Speaker 2: in our community.

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Speaker 1: Tsing, do you feel as though the government's lost control

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Speaker 1: of the situation with anti social behavior and crime.

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Speaker 2: I'd have to say yes. And if I had to

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Speaker 2: score them on crisis management, I'd probably have to give

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Speaker 2: them a zero. This is the most serious crisis that

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Speaker 2: you could have inflicted upon your community. The loss of

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Speaker 2: a young person's life at the hands of another is

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Speaker 2: at the top of the list in humanity, and their

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Speaker 2: crisis management of the whole situation is just a little

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Speaker 2: bit too late and Jez.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, I think that was what upset me

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Speaker 1: the most watching Parliament yesterday and watching question time is

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Speaker 1: I thought, after speaking to Declan's dad earlier in the week,

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Speaker 1: people need to have a little bit more respect of

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Speaker 1: the way that the community is feeling.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, I agree, and I know it's Look,

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Speaker 2: it's just it's just broken the community. You know, the

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Speaker 2: community's already a bit broken around the edges. The amount

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Speaker 2: of destruction and gratuitous violence and up people and old

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Speaker 2: people being pushed out of their wheelchairs and all that

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Speaker 2: sort of stuff. I mean, that's just pretty pretty terrible.

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Speaker 2: But this has just broken the community and that's what

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Speaker 2: the government needs to address and they right now they

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Speaker 2: haven't even really that we've got a problem. But that's

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Speaker 2: I don't believe they have anyway.

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Speaker 1: Kees Epiric, we always.

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Speaker 2: Can't mend and you can't heal until you have really

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Speaker 2: acknowledged the damage that has been done.

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Speaker 1: Kezier, I always appreciate your time, Thank you very much,

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Speaker 1: and keep us up to date with what's going on

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Speaker 1: in parliament. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: We'll do patter.

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Speaker 1: Thanks