1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Get a. I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: and professional overshaer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows, 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. 7 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: Here we are final episode of the Fertility Special. This 8 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: one's the big Kahuna. We share with you all of 9 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: our results. We hold and hide nothing, hold nothing back. 10 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: I also talk about being awake for the egg collection 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: and share every minute detail with you. Of course, we 12 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: answer some of your q anda's as well, and we 13 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: have a fertility specialist on the pod too, so tune in. 14 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: I hope you learn lots. I hope this helps in 15 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: some way. And if you're not freezing your eggs but 16 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: a mate it is, I hope you sent it to 17 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: them because I know that this is something I really 18 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: wanted to know before I went to this experience. So 19 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: we're just hoping it can help a few people. Peru. 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: Big love welcome Bosco. Oh threw you straight in there, didn't. 21 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: I thanks for having me back on. 22 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: Fertility yet four of our four past series Wow. So 23 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: in the last episode we talked about the entire lead 24 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: up to the procedure, how things got changed a little 25 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: bit for us with it in a bid to prevent 26 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: the hyperstimulation. But we haven't said anything about our results, 27 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: about how the actual procedure went, what happened on the day. 28 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: So let's do. 29 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: That, shall I let let's jump straight into it. 30 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: Well, do you remember, yeah? Do you remember the morning 31 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: quite well? 32 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: So? 33 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: I think we got up at like what. 34 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: Five thirty six, I think like six o'clock yep, got 35 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: up quite over. 36 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,839 Speaker 1: I was very nervous about having to water fast, yep, 37 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: and so I was doing a bit of gargling, wasn't 38 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: I jumped in the car, drove to Goldie Gold Coast, 39 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: and then we had to change our contract. Do you 40 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: remember that. 41 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 42 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: So we initially went in going, we're just going to 43 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: freeze embryos. But because I had all these quite a 44 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: lot of follicles, like twenty two or twenty three, we thought, oh, 45 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: we might be able to get our original goal, which 46 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: was embryos and some me that's what we kind of thought. 47 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: So we had to Once you take any of the 48 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: medicines for the procedure. You can't legally, you cannot change 49 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: your mind, you can't sign anything, you can't make any 50 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: decisions in the theater like you have to do it 51 00:02:58,639 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: to beforce. We had to get there a little bit 52 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: and we had decided, all right, embryos is still the goal. 53 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: But if there is an excess of like if we 54 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: hit twenty eggs and there is an excess, then what 55 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: will happen is we'll just have a few frozen eggs. Yeah, 56 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: that was kind of what we end So we had 57 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: to go in early re sign that legal doc and 58 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: then happy days and then we waited in a little 59 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: room for a nurse to come in and they checked 60 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: my blood pressure, what other thing? 61 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: Heart rate? Blood pressure? 62 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, hooked me up to a little machine. No needles 63 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: at this stage, I think. And then you get given 64 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: a little bottle of water. I remember, you're parched as 65 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: a chip, you dry as a chip, so you're pumped 66 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: for that bottle of water, which so you're allowed to sip. 67 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: Then and then you get a little cup. What's in 68 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: the cup? 69 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: Boss? You got diaz a pan. 70 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: We're allowed to say medicines on here, don't we got 71 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: two panadoles and a valium and a volum, and I'm 72 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: going to be blunt with everyone here. Didn't touch the sides. 73 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: Didn't touch the sides. About ten minutes after that, I 74 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: got walked into the theater. Yeah, and it all felt 75 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: very quick. They're like, how do you feel? And I 76 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: was like, do I get a wee? Like I'd spoken 77 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: to too maney, not too many bad. I spoke to 78 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: friends that have been in this and they're like, you 79 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: get to chill, get like a half an hour break 80 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: before you go in. You get to go for a week, 81 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: and so like in my head, I was like, oh, 82 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: we got time, whereas it was like, hey, let's get 83 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: you in. 84 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. I did go for a week. 85 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: I didn't get to go. I was like, are we 86 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: going there? I was like, do I get to do 87 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: a wi? And she goes, do you need to? And 88 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: I was like, well no, I don't think so. It's 89 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: probably just nerves. Yeah, wish I took it because it 90 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: would have brought me an extra ten minutes to get 91 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: the valium to kick into my system. And then very 92 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: quickly they're like, so you're in a theater. You walk 93 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: into a theater you've got a scientist that is literally 94 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: handing your eggs over in a little window, through a 95 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: little window that is in the theater to the embryologists, 96 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: like in the moment. And then you've got your doctor, 97 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: your specialist, and then you've got a nurse who is 98 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: like your buddy for it. Basically, now, apparently, when you 99 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: the combo of the valium with the remember I'm I 100 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: was going to be giving the green whistle as well, 101 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: which is what you see on footy fields when someone 102 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: dislocates the shoulder or something. It's an inhaling pain mad 103 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: that is non opioid. Anyway, that combo can get rid 104 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: of your memory for when you go through this, I 105 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: remember everything. 106 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, you do every moment, every moment. 107 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: Did you feel nervous you were in there. 108 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: I'm one of the so I am one of those 109 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: people that once I give over to I'll worry in 110 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: the lead up, I'll overthink, oh like bite my nails 111 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: off in the lead off, Oh really like it'll hit 112 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: me in that lead up. But then once I'm in 113 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: a situation that I know the best option is for 114 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: me to relinquished control, I'll just give over control so 115 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: the nerves had kind of gone other than I was 116 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 1: aware that there would be pain that I was obviously 117 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: nervous about, and there was other than that felt yeah, 118 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: So get in there. And I just remember I hadn't 119 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: been given the green whistle yet, so and I laid 120 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: back your feet going a little horse styrups and at 121 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: this stage hang on side note where are you? 122 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 2: Um Well, I would be in the wanking room. 123 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: It was very nineties vibes. It would like a picture 124 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: of a girl with backless Yeah. But you did say 125 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: there was gay porn and stuff, which is good to know. 126 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 2: There was a TV with all different categories of pornographic 127 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 2: met what did you pick? I had my own little 128 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 2: mixtape and my phone ready to. 129 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: Go what you'd already research in the Leader, just. 130 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 2: Because I didn't want the same thing to happen when 131 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: like that happened when I did my test. 132 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: Listened to episode one if you want to get that 133 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: where there was no internet, but they'd be internet at 134 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: the clinic. 135 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah. Yeah. And also I didn't 136 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: want to like fluff around with like a TV and 137 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 2: a hard drive and like trying to figure it out 138 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: and stuff. I knew I had it, only had a 139 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 2: short amount of time to. 140 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: Get it, and then then the embryologists are like, gee, 141 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: he's taking a while, aren't they. No, No, but that's 142 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: what might be going. 143 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: Through your hair dragon. Yeah, I'm sure some guys would 144 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: get nervous in there. 145 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: Of course, what isn't stage fight like a thing? 146 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: I mean, not for you for some people. 147 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, I've dated people where they've been like stage 148 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: frights a thing really and in the moment that's gone. 149 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never had that problem. 150 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: Of course, this tracks for Matt very confident soul. 151 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: You are confident. I'm just like, yeah, just I've never 152 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: experienced it. 153 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: You're also very connected to yourself sexually. 154 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. This isn't a sex podcast, though. 155 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: I think I just want to be honest. Okay, So yes, I. 156 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 2: Had three days of holding on, holding on, built up, 157 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: ready to ready to go. 158 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: Which the nurses do so that not nurses don't do that, 159 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: but they'll call you and say can you please ejaculate today, 160 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: and then not ejaculate between the day that you, like, 161 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: three days before. 162 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's like three to five days. 163 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: There was sweet spot. I think they say is anywhere 164 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: between two and five and you're at three. 165 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: I think they said three. 166 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: Okay, well you know better than me. Okay, so you're 167 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: having a lovely old time in this lovely relaxing room. 168 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: I remember I sat down on the so you're in 169 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: a like quite small theater, and I sat down on 170 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: the bed and they put your feet, like your ankles 171 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: into it. Like I call it like a horse stirrup situation. 172 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, your feeder up, which 173 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,359 Speaker 1: I imagine for any woman that's probably gone through childbirthy 174 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: stuff and all that, it's a similar. I imagine it's 175 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: a thing I could be t really wrong. I've never 176 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: been there before. And I just remember looking up at 177 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: the doctor and he had this like saline dish in 178 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: his hand what I thought was a seline dish, and 179 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: he had some gauze in there and he was swirling 180 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: around like he was trying to get the gaus wet 181 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: in this liquid stuff, right yeah, And he goes all right, Lola, 182 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: this is gonna hurt. And I was like, what, so 183 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: next minute, straight up in me with this. 184 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 2: Gause because he's cleaning it out. 185 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: Correct, it hurts so much that the nurse or so 186 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: I must have just I took my breath away, like 187 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: you know, when you're in that much and you're just 188 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: like and the nurse within a few seconds was just 189 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: like and green whistle time and worked me through inhaling 190 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: and exhaling. And you're in control of that because your 191 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: breath controls how much or how little of this strugg 192 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: that you take. And fun fact, I don't think I've 193 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: ever told you this. The girl that went in before 194 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: me did it without the green whistle, oh, which is 195 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: to me my mind blowing. 196 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: Maybe she just has a different pain threshold or discomfort threshold. 197 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: I don't think I've got a bad pain threshold. 198 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 2: No. I think that initial discomfort is that something's been 199 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: shoved up there, like no lube just to like wash 200 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: it out, or. 201 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: And then he goes and again boom up there again. 202 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: And so I was like, okay, this is we've got 203 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: to get We've got to figure out this pain thing. 204 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: And I remember just staring at the ceiling being like 205 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: I'm not doing this again, Like that's how that bad 206 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: the pain was. I was just like, I don't just 207 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: get through this, you just got to do it one 208 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: like I just I was just trying to get myself 209 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: through the next ten fifteen minutes right, And the nurse 210 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: could see that I was pretty distressed, i'd say at 211 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: the very beginning, or at least just I hadn't regulated 212 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: my breath yet with their drug, because you're literally inhaling 213 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: and exhaling into this like shit whistle tubes, and she 214 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: could really see that it wasn't really hitting the sides yet, 215 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: or I hadn't figured out how to like like kind 216 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: of like find the balance of it within my body. 217 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: Because it's a fast acting. 218 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: So she goes, look, I want you to cover the cartilage. 219 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: So there's like a charcoal cartilage on top, and she's like, 220 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: cover it and you'll get a stronger dose. And I 221 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: was like, mate, my thumb bit was stuck on that cartlage, 222 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: and I was this is where my Yogi stuff came handy. 223 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: I inhaled as deep as I could, and I held 224 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: my breath, and the more that you hold your breath, 225 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: the bigger and the longer the hit that you're effectively getting. 226 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: And then I was totally excited and the nurses talking 227 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: you through it. But once I'd figured out like, oh, 228 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: hang on, that feels a lot better, then I was 229 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: like doing big breath holds and like really like, and 230 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: I know they put two jabs of local in, one 231 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: on the left side, one on the right side, but 232 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: I still felt a lot of like each follicle being 233 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: like injected, especially on my right side, which had a 234 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: lot more follicles in them. And so every time the needle, 235 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: I'm presuming it's needle that goes into a follicle. I 236 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: remember that pain being really excruciating, and I had to 237 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: figure out like right before he'd go in, I'd be 238 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: like inhale, inhale and haale. As he injected, I'd hold 239 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: as much of that drug in my system and it 240 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: was the only and then I would slowly exhale as 241 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: it was getting sucked out. Like, but I don't no 242 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: other friend of mine that has been awake for it 243 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: has ever been able to feel that that's just a mezing. 244 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: So and this is where like you've touched on it's 245 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: different for everybody. 246 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think everyone obviously has different thresholds and pain 247 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: management and also how they react to the medication. 248 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: Right, And you and I have known from like sometimes 249 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: we'll take more stuff for our brains because you and 250 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: I love, like, you know, looking after our moods and stuff, 251 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: and it will affect you very differently to me when 252 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: we're doing and that's like supplements and stuff like that, 253 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: Like you and I react very differently. So maybe I 254 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: react different to the calming relaxant they gave me beforehand. 255 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, But so I felt loads on the 256 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: right side, and then he moved to the left side, 257 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: and you're hearing them account by the way, they're like one, two, three, 258 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: So they got to fifteen, but the fifteenth, fifteenth follicle 259 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: was empty, and then he said, if I get the 260 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: follicles left over on the left side, He's like, there 261 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: is a vein there or there was an artery sorry 262 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: there that was too dangerous to He's like, if I 263 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: nick that bad news f you. Loless So I remember 264 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: the seconds I going a lot quicker and me not 265 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: feeling it as much, which tells me maybe it's like 266 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: where the local goes is like a bit of a 267 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: lucky dip. And I don't know, or I do know. 268 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: There were a lot more on the right, so maybe 269 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: it was just the ones that were extra. What do 270 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: you reckon? 271 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure, but I think that probably as 272 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 2: time went on, you had more of the medication in 273 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 2: your system. You probably got a little bit more relaxed. 274 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: You weren't as stressed out, you knew what to expect 275 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: and what you were feeling, and yeah, you're just probably 276 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 2: handling it better. On the other side, I mean, it's 277 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: a bit process. 278 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: I think it would be like one side had hit 279 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: locally differently. 280 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: Local kicks in pretty quick. 281 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: But that's what I mean. I feel like one because 282 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: there were so many extra follicles on the right. Maybe 283 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: they weren't all. 284 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose everyone just has a different experience. And 285 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: obviously that's you know, the experience that you had and 286 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: being awake for it. And some people are obviously under 287 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: a they're like a sleep during the process. 288 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: I think most people go on to General. It was 289 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: because of it in Queensland. That's an option kind of thing. 290 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: And remember if we were going to go under General 291 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: to cost an extra two brand, that's a lot. 292 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: It's a lot of money, that's a. 293 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: Lot of mortgage and a lot of life. But you know, 294 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: it's a lot of food. There's a lot of things. 295 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: That's half my flights to America. 296 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,359 Speaker 2: It's a lot of dinners that raise. 297 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: Which we haven't been doing probably we have not been 298 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: doing that an interesting thing that you usually would happen 299 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: after So basically they get all their eggs they and 300 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: then very quickly the nurse will take the green whistle 301 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: out of your hand. Apparently people like to hold onto 302 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: their green whistle because it does feel so and you 303 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: do feel a little bit drunk, like in a bit 304 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: dizzy and woozy. And then I got a quick the 305 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: nurse said, you want a photo, and she took a 306 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: photo of me just chilling on the bed with a 307 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: green whistle in my hand or hooked up to monitors 308 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: because you can hear like bi bi bip the whole 309 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: way through. It's like rais an antime. And she took 310 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: a photo and I saw the photos back my g 311 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: strings just hanging out of my hand. Also, if you 312 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: are going to do an egg collection, my biggest tip, 313 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: don't worry a g string because you're literally having a 314 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: pe inside through your vagina. A bit of blood's going 315 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: to come out and discharge right his faces. 316 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: Please. 317 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: But also they give you like a pad. I mean, 318 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what I was thinking, what are you thinking? 319 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: I was just more concerned about it. 320 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: Your most comfy granny panties totally. 321 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: So you get a pad after and then they put 322 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: the stick these little heat packs to either side of you. Yeah, 323 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: but oh boy. 324 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: So at that point though, when you got to the 325 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: end of the procedure, did you know how many eggs 326 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: they'd collected? Did they tell you? 327 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely, They're counting the whole way through. And I heard 328 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: the whole con Everybody says that you usually forget the 329 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: conversation or you're a bit off chops and you start 330 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: having really funny conversations. None of that happened for me. 331 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: I couldn't talk. I was too interested in this screen 332 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: with getting the medication in. But I heard it all, 333 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: was part of it all. The doctor was wrapped. Well, 334 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: he came out so well you straight away? Yeah, yeah, 335 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: I get put in recovery. 336 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was waiting outside, just in the like the foyer, 337 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: and he came out and had to chat with me 338 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: straight away. 339 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: What do you say? 340 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: He's like, oh, went, really well, we got I don't 341 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: remember how many. He said, fourteen. He's like, oh, we 342 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 2: recovered fourteen eggs. It was very successful. 343 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: Yeah good. And he's like I was very happy with that. 344 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: Yeah good, And I'm like, yeah, great. Oh nice, that's nice. 345 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: That's nice. So then I'm in recovery for what fifteen minutes, 346 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: ten minutes. 347 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 2: I don't yeah, fifteen twenty minutes. 348 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: That's probably when I reckon the valum started kicking in, 349 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: because that's when I was like getting a bit more 350 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: chatty Kathya telling the girls all about my podcast. 351 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 2: Because you're more relaxed than your heart's like not beating 352 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: as fast. Yeah, your body's not processing it as quickly. 353 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: You're also a bit elated. You've done something really hard, 354 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: a little bit scary, and the nurses were unreal chat 355 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: and you've got to fill out straight away like form 356 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: about how you found the experience and stuff. And then 357 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: I think I got walked out the whole. Then they 358 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: make sure you wi couldn't We sat there, did all 359 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: my tricks counter to ten kind of backward Yeah, couldn't 360 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: we and apparently got through the procedure. So the nurses 361 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: then checked in about two hours later to check that 362 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: we that I'd weed. Do you remember that? So one 363 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: interesting thing that most women would do it this phase 364 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: that we didn't do is they'd be preparing for what's 365 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: called a fresh transfer, So that is after the five 366 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: next five days when the sperm is introduced to the 367 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: eggs and then embryos are hopefully created on that fifth day, 368 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: rather than it going into a freeze like our plan was, 369 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: you'd actually get it transferred into your womb, right, and 370 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: usually in that time they're getting you to do a 371 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: cream each day that you just literally put up your vagina, 372 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: no needles pain. I don't know if it's they call 373 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: it the loot heel phase on our on our stimulation. 374 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know if it's progesterone, it'd be 375 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: like a hormone, right. It's basically just to make sure 376 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: that the lining like is all happy, it's ready for 377 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: and it's and they want to get it so that 378 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: it's like a day five ready for an embryo to 379 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: be and planned in the womba. So we couldn't do 380 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: it because of the hyperstimulation, even if we wanted to. 381 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: It's too dangerous to have with that. The trigger that 382 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: we had to change from would have had that pregnancy 383 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: hormone in it. We couldn't have any of that in 384 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: our system. I love that, I call me us. 385 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 2: That's all right. 386 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: So we didn't do that. We but we also didn't 387 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: want to do that. Our goal for this was future planning, 388 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: not to become pregos. So we're doing it for the future. 389 00:19:54,920 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: So our goal was to get eggs really healthy, get 390 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: sperm sample really healthy, introduce a sperm to the eggos, 391 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: and then create embryos. 392 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,479 Speaker 2: Is that right, Boss, That is correct? Yeah, So, and 393 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 2: that's what we did. 394 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: And now we're going to talk about the five day weight. 395 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: So a lot of people don't talk about this five 396 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: day weight. So if you are just freezing eggs eggs, 397 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: you'll get a call the next day and what they 398 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: will tell you is basically, they've got to remove this 399 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: like outer jelly on the outside of the egg to 400 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: check that they're mature and happy and Bob's your uncle 401 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: kind of thing, super good to go into freeze. And 402 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: they will tell you that number it often is a 403 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: little bit less than how many they've collected. That's normal, 404 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: and then that those eggs will go into the freeze. 405 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: Right now, we didn't know that that would be happening 406 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: to ours. Obviously, it makes sense now that we've done it. 407 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: I just thought, oh, fourteen eggs are going. 408 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 2: To be and they're all going to be good. 409 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, And they're going to be exposed to matt sperm. 410 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: He's got healthy swimmers, Happy days. 411 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 2: No. 412 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: No, they still did the same process they do for eggs, 413 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: so they checked to see that which ones were mature, 414 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: which ones were healthy, some were abnormal. So we got 415 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: a call the next day and this was the hardest call, 416 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: one of the hardest calls. So they're like, hey, just 417 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: calling to let you know that six eggs have fertilized overnight. 418 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: And I was like, what, we got fourteen? What are 419 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: you talking about. That's less than half. And she's like, well, no, 420 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: of those fourteen, eight were good. So they were like 421 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: some were immature, some were abnormal, and those ones that 422 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: are either immature or abnormal they'll discard of yeah, straight away. 423 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: And so of the eight healthy ones they got introduced 424 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: to your sperm and six fertilized, which is completely normal. 425 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: STATS really like that's the way it rolls. And I 426 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 1: was like, oh, hang on, we were like throwing a party, yes, 427 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: say that we got fourteen. We were so happy, blah 428 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: blah blah, and they were like, no, no, this is 429 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: this is normal. So I learned so much from the 430 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: embryologist phone calls that I didn't again we went in 431 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,719 Speaker 1: really naive, right, So I was like, oh, holy smokes, 432 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: we've got to really full on five days ahead of us. 433 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: And a while ago back ten years ago and my 434 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: natural path taught us this. They used to freeze on 435 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: day three, but because a day three embryo is a 436 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: much less certain than a day five embryo, the clinic 437 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: that we work with is like all about certainty and 438 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: really great. 439 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: Stats, so they wait up to day five. 440 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: They don't freeze on day six at all, so day five, 441 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: six or seven. So we were like, okay, so we 442 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: got to day. 443 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: Freeze on day three. 444 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: They don't. 445 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah you said six. 446 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: Oh so no, they freeze on day five, six or seven, 447 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: but not on day three, which some clinics do, I think. 448 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: But that's like if they and this is what I learned, 449 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: if they freezed all of ours on day three, because 450 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: we didn't end up with all six that were fertilized. 451 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: We got the call on day three and they're like, 452 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: y up, celt of dividing perfectly. All six are happy, 453 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: and we're like, oh my god, we're gonna get six, 454 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: which we would have if this clinic froze on day three. 455 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: But the thing about getting them to day five is 456 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: obviously it's harder. They've got to live longer. But if 457 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 1: you think about it, like the ones that don't make 458 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: it today five, you're preventing a lot of heartbreak when 459 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: you transfer. Yeah, when you're transferring the less viable ones 460 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: because they potentially wouldn't make it. 461 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: Right, and what do they call it's they're going to 462 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 2: get to blast the site. 463 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, well done, well done. So yeah, we get our 464 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: call on day three, happy days, happy days, writing perfectly, 465 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: We're happy. We're kind of a bit of later, and 466 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: I was like, great, we just got to get through 467 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: two more days of this and it literally takes over 468 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: your life. So we get to call on day five 469 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: and I'm like, thank god, we'll be off this roller 470 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: coaster today. Phone rings Hello, we've frozen one and I 471 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: was like, what. 472 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: Not? 473 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: You were frozen run one. The others are a little 474 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: bit slow in developing, and I was like what does 475 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: that mean? And they're like, look, we're gonna be honest 476 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: with you. There's a chance you might get one more tomorrow. 477 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: On day six, the others aren't looking right. Though they're 478 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: looking one's looking abnormal. The others are too slow. So 479 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: they're not moving on to that blaster side phase. You 480 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: were just mentioning. So then I had a meltdown, booked 481 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: my therapist in emergency. Anyway, we get a call on 482 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: day six, great news, we've frozen one more so two 483 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,479 Speaker 1: in total. And I said, are you going to keep 484 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: the until day seven? Are you going to give them 485 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: the best chance? And they said, we are, but we 486 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: need to manage your expectations. It's not looking like anything 487 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: will change. So they're like, you've got two great, healthy 488 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: embryos out of six. That's a thirty three percent success. 489 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: That is a great stat That is the you're above average. 490 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: It's usually a twenty twenty five percent from fertilized egg 491 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: to embryo. Had no idea and so they're like, you 492 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: should be really happy with that. 493 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: And also the grading of the embryos. So they go 494 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 2: through a grading process of how is this like AAAB. 495 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: I think each clinic has their own different grading, but 496 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:24,479 Speaker 1: where we are AaB, B, B B C, and then 497 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: I think at CC they get discarded. 498 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: I was guarded. 499 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: So it's full on. So we have two AB second 500 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: highest embryos ice babies. 501 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, wow, congratulations, congrats to you oh yeah. 502 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: Now, at first, I'm going to be honest, we're a 503 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: little disappointed. 504 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, definitely. 505 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: How'd you feel? 506 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 2: I definitely felt a bit disappointed. I think that I had, well, 507 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 2: we had higher expectations, but I think that also came 508 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: from not actually properly preparing ourselves for the stats and 509 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 2: the outcome. So on reflection, now, obviously I am very like, 510 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 2: I'm happy, I'm a static, I'm so glad that we 511 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 2: did it. But at the time, I was like, oh shit, 512 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 2: that was an expensive run for two embryos where we 513 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: thought would get eight or ten or fifteen, but that's 514 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 2: just not the reality of it. 515 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: No, and what like what I've learned is people can 516 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: go through three, four or five rounds to get two embryos. Like, 517 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: how lucky are we that we even got two on 518 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: that first round? Yeah, So I was the same and 519 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: my therapist said, Lola, this is a win, and he said, 520 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: you need to drop all resentment now, which is why 521 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: we've put off recording this final podcast because I was 522 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: a bit disappointed and resentful for a little while. For 523 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, I'd say, yeah, totally, and I 524 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: just felt the same as you, like oh my goodness, 525 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: We've just put ourselves through this, and it was a 526 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: three month journey for us because we all the preconception 527 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: care and then to feel like, you know, should we 528 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: be doing another round? And then all this like doubt 529 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: coming in when like we didn't have the money and 530 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,479 Speaker 1: we don't have the money to another round, you know, 531 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: like it just all these uncertainties and doubts came flooding 532 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: in that didn't exist before this whole thing happen, you 533 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: know what I mean. 534 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it just comes down to the fact 535 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 2: that although we were so prepared, We've done so much research, 536 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 2: We've spoken to so many people, We've listened to podcasts 537 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: and YouTube videos. We probably could have done more, absolutely, 538 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 2: And I think where the information was lacking out there 539 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: is the actual realities and statistics of outcomes where you 540 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 2: might get fifteen eggs, you know, and then that fifteen 541 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,239 Speaker 2: might turn into eight, and then realistically you might have 542 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: two out of fifteen that are viable. 543 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: Which is that's the stat which that is the stat 544 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: which we hit the textbook stat for that. And I 545 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: think I think I made the mistake of thinking, oh, 546 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: if I've got ten eggs on us that's ten chances 547 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: for a bambino. That's ten chances for fertilization. Then from 548 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: fertilization they've got to last five days, and like then 549 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: from that of transfers got to go well. And you know, 550 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: the stats on fresh versus frozen transfer are really scary 551 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: as well. And that's when I said to man, Oh 552 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: my god, do we need to do more rounds? Like 553 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: I started to really. 554 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 2: So we've decided to not do another round at this stage. 555 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 2: At this stage, yeah, but most people would statistically do 556 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 2: multiple rounds. 557 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: The average is minimum three, yeah, which I didn't Again, 558 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: I didn't know that beforehand. 559 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 2: So if they're just collecting eggs, they're hoping for, you know, 560 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: thirty forty eggs for you know, maybe six embryos in future. 561 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess yeah, because you're but you're looking at 562 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: it at people that are getting. 563 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 2: High than average. 564 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like a lot of people get five eggs in 565 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: that collection or four. 566 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: Which may not fertilize at all at all, then have 567 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 2: nothing totally. 568 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: I've heard multiple stories that have gone through that five 569 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: day weight and at the end of it nothing nothing. 570 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: And I mentioned it in the last episode. But a 571 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: lot of people writing to me their horror stories, and 572 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: I said, it gave me anxiety, but now I understand 573 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: that's common, Like it's common for it to be really 574 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: hard and a real struggle. And I'm going to be 575 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: really like honest with you the listener. But my doctor 576 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: called me up after and was like, do you want 577 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: to go again? You know, after that result? And I 578 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: said to him, thank you so much, like I've learned 579 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: so much through doing this, And I said, but my 580 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: physical and mental health needs work right now before I 581 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: could eaven and obviously, like I go to America, you know, 582 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: like very soon. And so I knew that doing another 583 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: round would mean that I wouldn't be able to afford 584 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: being in America for long this year. And I just 585 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: knew that that would be jeopardizing both of our dreams 586 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: in many ways. 587 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: And it's so hard. It's so hard on your body 588 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: and mental health. 589 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: So I do want to talk a bit about the 590 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: bod stuff as well, but the mental health stuff was 591 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: probably the big And actually my fertility nurse, Beautiful Angel, 592 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: call me up and said the same thing, like, you 593 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: think of doing another round to get a few more 594 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,479 Speaker 1: embryos on ice? And I said, I'm telling you I 595 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: know myself and my mental and physical health is not 596 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: there yet. I need a year to like come good 597 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: or like at least feel myself. And she said, it 598 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: is so good that you know that about yourself that 599 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: you can honor yourself in that way and go do 600 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: you know what. I know myself well enough to know 601 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: that right now it'll be detrimental for me to go 602 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: straighter on the round. Also, we are in a lucky 603 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: position where we do have a pinch of time. Weaar 604 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: thirty seven, so we can. 605 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 2: Keep do it again in the year year, two years. 606 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: Or yeah, thirty eight, thirty nine, forty so, but for 607 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,719 Speaker 1: right now, for the rest of this year, we are 608 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: focused on dream. 609 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 2: Yes, work and dreams big time. 610 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: We did mention in the last ep that my naturopath 611 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: had created this like detox protocol for me, which literally 612 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: remember I went into it the day we got home, 613 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: straight away. So it was all about helping to flush 614 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: the hormones. 615 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: From my systems. 616 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it was all about like liver detoxing, 617 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: loads of greens, loads of water, and just like putting 618 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: my body on this like intense kind of cleanse. I'll 619 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: be really honest, I actually did put on a lot 620 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: of weight. I thought I only put on like I 621 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: think I got. I thought in my head, oh, I'm 622 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: probably about seventy kilos, and I think that did all 623 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: the meds for seventy kilos. But like I remember, I 624 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: jumped on the scales. I think like a week later 625 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: when I went to malbs and I was seventy seven. 626 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: So I don't think I've been that in my life before. 627 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: So it's a pretty. 628 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big It's a big jump in a 629 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 2: small amount of time. 630 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And so like knowing the work that has 631 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: still have that has to happen on my leg and 632 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: even now I'm still working on my body physically and mentally, 633 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: I feel mentally a million times better. Yeah, but yeah, 634 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: what do you want to say about it? Before I do? 635 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 2: You? 636 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: And like, look you and look. 637 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: I think that no matter what you do, and no 638 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 2: matter what you choose to do in regard to freezing 639 00:32:53,200 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 2: eggs and freezing embryos, absorb as much information statistic dicks 640 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 2: people's experiences as you can. Don't hold onto it too tight, 641 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 2: and don't hold onto any outcomes too tight. I think 642 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 2: that you really just got to go with the flow 643 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 2: of it and be like, Okay, while this is just 644 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 2: something that you're going to do to if you do 645 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 2: want to have a child, like you've got to just 646 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 2: give it a go, see how it goes. You may 647 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 2: get one embryo, you may get pregnant on the first go, 648 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 2: or you might take you a few gos. I just 649 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 2: don't think there's some some specific, you know, outcome that 650 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 2: everyone kind of gets from. It is very very varied 651 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 2: and everyone has different experiences and different outcomes, and yeah, 652 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: I think not holding onto anything. I think for me, 653 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 2: I was upset maybe like the first day or whatever, 654 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 2: and then I was completely over it was Yeah. I 655 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 2: was like, you know what, it's done. It's finished. That's 656 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 2: the results. You can't change it. You can't. Yeah, you 657 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 2: can't go by I can do anything different. We did 658 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 2: everything right. We followed all the procedures and the doctors, 659 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 2: and we were healthy and all that, and it's just 660 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 2: comes down to a little bit of nature. 661 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: And you know, but now, what turned your mindset to 662 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: feel really grateful about having two really healthy embryos. 663 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 2: I don't think anything specifically changed it. I was just like, 664 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 2: that's it, it's done. Like I'm grateful that we did it. 665 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 2: You know, it was very much on your mind to 666 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 2: do it, and I was very much happy to be 667 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 2: part of the process and be part of the whole 668 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 2: thing and learn myself. 669 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: I think also, like for me now understanding the stats, 670 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: like I do feel very grateful that we got two 671 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 1: really healthy embryos, Like I'm happy, really happy about that. 672 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 1: I think if I could have gone in with those stats, 673 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: I probably would have been much less upset about it 674 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: all totally, much more like, Okay, cool, this is the 675 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: stats for Yeah. 676 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 2: But I think maybe people don't talk about the stats 677 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 2: and maybe don't talk about the I suppose harder outcomes 678 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 2: because it is a bit disheartening. You go through this 679 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 2: big process and it's a three month process before for us. 680 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: Not everybody does the full prec Yeah. 681 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 2: Totally, but then there's a whole process after, like just 682 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,399 Speaker 2: getting your everything back to feeling good and healthy because 683 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 2: it does it does come with a cost on your 684 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 2: body and mental health. But yeah, overall, like I'm grateful 685 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 2: for it. Yeah, Okay, it costs a lot of money, 686 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 2: which that wasn't the fun part. Did we talk about 687 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 2: the money? 688 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: We sure did? Yeh fifteen K just fifteen. 689 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 2: Just shy fifteen grand, and let's be real, it was 690 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,240 Speaker 2: even more than that once you kind of like adding 691 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 2: on therapy and more supplements and this, and driving to 692 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 2: the coast, driving hundreds of petrol you know. So yeah, 693 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 2: it's an expensive process, especially if you're if you're just 694 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 2: in our case, in our scenario, that you just want 695 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 2: to do it for future planning. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, 696 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 2: overall glad we did it. I'm very much. I don't 697 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 2: really think about it anymore. 698 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: So I didn't think I did, but I do notice 699 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: it comes up if people go, what do you mean doing, 700 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, mate, trying to get my body back 701 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,919 Speaker 1: after freezing embryos, trying to feel good and healthy. And 702 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: that's the other thing is like I lost my confidence 703 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 1: for a while, especially like physically with the body stuff. 704 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not confident to go to the 705 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 1: beach we live in, like Byron Bay, the most beautiful 706 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 1: beach beach area in the world, and it's just like whoa, 707 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: Like it has just taken such a toll on physical 708 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,879 Speaker 1: and mental health. I was just going to say though, 709 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 1: like I had a bit of subclinical PCOS signs and 710 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: then it's now kind of rearing its head up a 711 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: little bit, so trying to get on top of that, 712 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: and that takes a lot of that's that's. 713 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 2: Not a common side effects though, What do you mean 714 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 2: that's not as result of no. 715 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: Because I've went into it, like with a little bit 716 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: of subclinical so like remember. 717 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 2: That first couple of signs of the pcos. 718 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I think it's definitely worse now. 719 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, but at least I think if you didn't go 720 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 2: through that whole process, you wouldn't have been aware of it. 721 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 2: And then now you've been getting on top of it 722 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 2: and doing some treatment for. 723 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: It, Yeah, which will ultimately made me healthier as I age, 724 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: which is a good thing. Totally a good thing. Do 725 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 1: you want to answer some question? 726 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 2: Let's do it? 727 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: Wow, Bosco, you're all over this, aren't you? So always 728 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: I do instacrall outs. Okay, So the first question is 729 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: what was the scariest, most nervous part of the. 730 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 2: Process for me? 731 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: Well, you answer and then no answer? 732 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I wouldn't didn't experience any scary nervous 733 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 2: part of the process myself. I think the most nerve 734 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 2: wracking bit was just waiting for results for me. 735 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: Do you not remember when I was getting my blood 736 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: started before the procedure, They're giving me like they give 737 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: me the panadoles and valley and Matt's like, oh could 738 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,720 Speaker 1: could And they're like aren't you the one driving her home? 739 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? For me, I was just making jokes. 740 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: For the nurse of the slash you would have taken 741 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,760 Speaker 1: one if they gave it to you. 742 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't have. 743 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: For me, the scariest part was the procedure, and that 744 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: was the hardest part physically, and then the hardest part 745 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: mentally was the five day Well for us, it was 746 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: a seven day wait because we had to wait for 747 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: those extra two days to see if there were any 748 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: extra But how lucky we waited the extra two days 749 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: because on day six we got another embryo. So but yeah, 750 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: I would say mental versus physical two very different things. 751 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: But also like if you're not awake for the procedure, 752 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: that won't be scary for you. Like I'll put you 753 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: to sleep and you'll wake up fifteen minutes later. Okay, 754 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: did you change your diet for egg freezing? Yeah? Completely. 755 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: We've talked about that quite a fair bit, and that 756 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 1: is I stopped intermittent fasting. We took the guidance of acupuncturists, 757 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: warming food, working on kidney chi. Plus the Natural Path 758 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 1: had had us on so much stuff and change recipes 759 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: and it was a fun time. I was the Queen 760 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 1: of Porridge. 761 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Yeah, Yeah, and I obviously, like I didn't 762 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 2: drink alcohol, and. 763 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, you really pulled back neither did I. I think 764 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 1: I think I had a Martine with you when we 765 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: knew that we just got approved for doing it the 766 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 1: next my next period kind of things that would have 767 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: been like three weeks out. Yeah, we knew we'd just 768 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: been approved and then that was it. Okay. Top three 769 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: ways women can prepare for the IVF process. What about 770 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: why don't you answer it for men? 771 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 2: For men? Yeah, I think just general health. Definitely go 772 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 2: see Natural Path. Definitely think like the supplements and stuff 773 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,479 Speaker 2: that I was taking helped. I think just general health 774 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 2: for men. I don't think there's maybe a specific thing, 775 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 2: but definitely get your seemen tested, you sperm tested, see 776 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 2: where you're at, and just have a good general health, 777 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 2: you know. 778 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: So I would probably go down more than mental health 779 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: route from a female going through it, or like just 780 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: because of my experience, I'm also a mentally driven person, 781 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: So I would have a therapist on board that understands 782 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 1: or has some kind of experience with people that have 783 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: been through IVF. I would definitely get on top of 784 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: all the tests you need to get done, because when 785 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: you get them, like knowledge feels powerful. So you learn 786 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 1: a lot about yourself and where your health sat and 787 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: what needs work. And then I think you've got to 788 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: have a really good relationship with definitely your specialist, your 789 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,240 Speaker 1: fertility special so like, don't be afraid to shop around. 790 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: But I also think what I found really helpful was 791 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,320 Speaker 1: having a great relationship with my GP, because my GP 792 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: checked in. It's your GP that does all your referrals 793 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 1: and often sends you off to get those first kind 794 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: of rounds of blood tests. So I think like keeping 795 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: your GP in the loop is quite like having another 796 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:21,760 Speaker 1: team member. 797 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think if you're even just thinking about it, 798 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 2: go speak to your GP. 799 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got to start with a GP anyway, I'm 800 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: pretty sure, and then they write you the referral. Without 801 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: the referral usually costs a fair bit more to see 802 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: a specialist, so get your referral from your GP. The 803 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: last question is one that's coming quite a few times, 804 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: which is have you gained weight from this experience? And 805 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: I would say yes, I believe I've got to the 806 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: heaviest I've been. I don't think it was just down 807 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: to the IVF cycle itself. I think it was the 808 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,800 Speaker 1: lead up and going from intermittent fasting to having carbohydrates 809 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 1: a lot more in my diet than what my body 810 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 1: is used to. So I think it was like a 811 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: combol of a lot of things. But then throw on 812 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,280 Speaker 1: top of that being really stressed out and emotionally eating, 813 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,719 Speaker 1: especially in that after math, and like going through the 814 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: mental health roller coaster that comes with the aftermath IVF. 815 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: But I'm working on it and working on getting back 816 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: on track. 817 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 2: Doing great. Boss, You're doing great. Do you want to 818 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,240 Speaker 2: leave the audience with some parting knowledge. 819 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: Or absolutely, but you kick it off first. 820 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 2: Okay, I think that if you're thinking about it, definitely, 821 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 2: just do you reading, listen to podcasts, listen to this podcast. Yes, 822 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 2: as much info as possible. It's not to discourage, but 823 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 2: it's definitely harder than probably would have thought. It's definitely 824 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 2: more taxing on both people you know, in the relationship 825 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 2: or if you're doing it on your own. Like, definitely 826 00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:02,799 Speaker 2: have a good support network around you. Yeah, SEEUGP, have 827 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 2: the conversations, and even if you don't want to do 828 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 2: it right now, still go see eu GP and get 829 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 2: some tests done and see where you're at. 830 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've told you I'll keep testing every time I 831 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: come back to Australia, just to keep a track of 832 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 1: my fertility. 833 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 2: Do you know what AMH stands for? Anti mutagen anti malarian? 834 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 1: Is it? 835 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:22,879 Speaker 2: Yeah? 836 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: I've got to remember that should be easy to remember. Malaria. 837 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like malaria. 838 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: Anti malarian hormone. Is that right? 839 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? 840 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: Okay cool. I think my thing would be keep legends 841 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 1: around you, keep it good people, keep it people that 842 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 1: are positive and on board or at least not going 843 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,439 Speaker 1: to judge you for doing it or be triggered by 844 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 1: you doing it. We experienced a lot of that, so 845 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 1: I think just keep the people around you that know 846 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: about it and know what you're doing. Keep that gang 847 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: positive if you can, or at least keep it so 848 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: that you know they've got your best interest at heart. 849 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 1: I think having a little team around you, and it 850 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: can be a team of three people you utility specialist, 851 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 1: your partner and your mum, Like who knows it doesn't 852 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: need to be a massive team, but just really pick 853 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,320 Speaker 1: that wisely because I think going in with a healthy 854 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: and positive mindset does play a role massive in not 855 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 1: just the process but also the recovery. 856 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 2: Yeah okay, good job. 857 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,320 Speaker 1: Proud of you, Proud of you, dear sir, love you, 858 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: love you. Oh, thank you to the listener. Thank you 859 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: so much for listening and supporting us and listening to us. 860 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,879 Speaker 1: We really hope that this helps some people. 861 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 2: Thanks everyone being nice online too. 862 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: Yeah we copped a bit of both. 863 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 2: I mean might think more nice than than bad. Yeah yeah, tots. Okay, 864 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 2: big love, big love. Bye. 865 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:54,760 Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, 866 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 1: thank you to our guests and let's continue the conversation 867 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 1: on Instagram. Matt Yamo lollaberry. This party my work for 868 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: podcast is available on all streaming platforms. 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