1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Joining me on the line right now is the independent 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: member for Goider Kesier Pure. Good morning Kezier, Hey. 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. I was listening because of course I 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 2: listened to your show during sitting time, and I wasn't 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: briefed either. They did offer briefing yesterday at eleven o'clock. 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: They said, or thereabouts can you get you at twelve o'clock, 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: And like Robin, I have things that I was already 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: committed to. But not only was the briefing last minute. 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: I only got the PowerPoint presentation this morning, and I 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 2: had to ask for a copy of the bill. I 11 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: heard Bill Yan I think on your radios, your pea 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: person saying, oh, yes, we've booked at the bill. I thought, well, 13 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: hang on a minute. I haven't got a copy of 14 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: the bill, so clearly they haven't. They don't know what 15 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: they're doing. It's just last minute rush, rush, rush, and 16 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 2: when you have rush rush, rush, you make mistakes, well 17 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: making them by not including the independence in the boody 18 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: circle of briefings and information. 19 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is this shouldn't be rush. They've 20 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: been doing this review for several months. 21 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: And also legislation. It's it's about twenty five pages long 22 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 2: the bill, so it's not just a couple of pages. 23 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: So we're going to have to go through it because quickly, 24 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: because it's been debated all today, that's the only thing 25 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: on their gender today is this bill. So we're going 26 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: to have to go through it. And so that hasn't 27 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 2: given me any chance to consult with anyone who might 28 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: be an expertise or be able to give me advice, 29 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 2: or might be talk to someone in Queensland who's you know, 30 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: they've had this wanting business for quite a while, so 31 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: what are they This is almost the worst example of 32 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 2: them not being transparent when that was their platform, as 33 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: you know, when they got the elections, when mister Gunner 34 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: was the Chief Minister. So they're shrinking and shrinking and 35 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: shrinking the transparency, the honesty, honesty and the openness such 36 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: that there's nothing it's almost just all filled in. 37 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: Do you think they're doing that on purpose, Kez, Yeah. 38 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: Do you think that they've done that on purpose or 39 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: do you think that it is literally just a situation 40 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: where they're rushing through. 41 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: Well, if it's on purpose, that's terrible, but if it's 42 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: in competence, that's worse. You know the Parliament is about 43 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: getting the best laws for the territory and territorians. Now, 44 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: I have a job to do, Robin Lammy has a 45 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: job to do on behalf of our constituents and our 46 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: interested stakeholders, and they are not allowing us to do that, 47 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: and that is wrong, Robin Moraley, epically wrong. 48 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: Sorry, Keasier. What do you make of all of the 49 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: announcement that they made yesterday and the fact that there 50 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: aren't going to be any changes to bail. 51 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 2: I don't think that's acceptable. I'm sure the people who 52 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,839 Speaker 2: are on the panel that reviewed are eminently qualified, whether 53 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: it be legally or social areas or whatever. I'm sure 54 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 2: they're qualified. But it's interesting they won't tell us who 55 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 2: the people actually are so that we can take comfort 56 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 2: that the right people were on the review panel and 57 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: know it doesn't go far enough, because you've still got 58 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: people out there who will use violent, will use items 59 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: as a weapon, and it's not included like star pickets, 60 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: like Jemmy bars, like bloody things that take off nuts, 61 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: off wheels when you're car tied, you know, broken bottles. 62 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 2: That stuff still sort of pretty out there in the ether. 63 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 2: Whether it's considered going to be considered violent, whether bail 64 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: will be presumed or not presumed. So it's almost like 65 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: they gaze task to the review panel to say, look, 66 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 2: review the Bail Act and legislation, but we really don't 67 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: want any changes, but we'll go through the motions anyway. 68 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: That's what it sounds and smells like to me. So 69 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: it's going to be very interesting to see what they 70 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: say in this debate about this piece of legislation, which 71 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 2: the quickness I've done in talking with people, no one 72 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: really has a big issue with it. If it can 73 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: give another tool in the toolbox for police to do 74 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: the job and keep our community safe. Good. I don't 75 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: personally have an issue. You get scanned at the airport, 76 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: you get scanned coming into Parliament, House, go scan games 77 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: and Supreme Court. It's just part of our daily living 78 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: that there are people out there who want to do 79 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: bad things and so we've just got to protect our community. 80 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: Not an issue with that and giving police extra help good. 81 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: But it's how they're going about the process because we've 82 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: got to make sure there's no loopholes and if they 83 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: rush it, that's what worries me the most. 84 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: Well, And you know the point that you made there 85 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: about I think everybody understands that. Obviously, with a review 86 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: like this, you do have eminent people on there. Nobody 87 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: is disputing that. But I think that the point here 88 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: is that politicians are actually elected by the people, and 89 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: the expectation of the people right now is that you know, 90 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: we don't wind up in a situation where somebody slips 91 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: through the gaps and there then you know, we're in 92 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: a situation where an innocent life is lost. 93 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: That's right, another innocent life. We've already lost enough innocent 94 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 2: lives this year to knife an aggressive violent attacks and 95 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: it has to stop, and it means the law has 96 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 2: to be made tougher. Well, that's what has to happen, 97 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 2: to send a strong message to potential perpetrators and potential 98 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: killers that this is not going to be accepted in 99 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: any shab or form and you will go to jail 100 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 2: and harsh penalties will be applied if you break the 101 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: law that way. 102 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: Well, Keesi epiric, I can hear those bells ringing. I 103 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: better let you go. Thank you keep us up to 104 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: date with what's going on there in parliament. Good to 105 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: catch up with you this morning. 106 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll talk also later in the week about the 107 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,559 Speaker 2: Advanced Personal Plan Chaser. Yes, it is a good news story. 108 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. We will certainly have a chat to you 109 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: later in the week. Thanks Cazier.