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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken the podcast. It's not afraid to say

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have

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Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get hated. Outspoken covers

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Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women.

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Speaker 1: That is so fat thank you. So I wake up

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Speaker 1: this morning in a bit of a panic because I

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Speaker 1: had a Perhaps mere booked in and I realized that

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Speaker 1: I ran out of underpants. That's just the worst, because

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Speaker 1: I feel like the whole prep for a perhaps mirror

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Speaker 1: is kind of awkward enough in itself. You know, you

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Speaker 1: don't know how prepared you should be for these things.

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Speaker 1: I had planned out my day because I work from

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Speaker 1: home today, because I wanted to make sure that I

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Speaker 1: ten am. So wearing your underpants inside out from the

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Speaker 1: day before wasn't a good I was thinking, and like,

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Speaker 1: I can hardly repurpose underpants from the night before. I

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Speaker 1: I know they don't see your undease, but you still

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Speaker 1: want to be respectable. I mean I sprayed myself with

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Speaker 1: perfume in preparation, and I did a little spray down

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Speaker 1: there because I want to be respectful of the doctor.

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Speaker 1: What did you end up doing with the underpants? Well,

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Speaker 1: fortunately I found an old pair like clean, so crisis

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Speaker 1: was averted. But it does really make you think about

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Speaker 1: the prep for a perhaps movie because in a more

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Speaker 1: on a more serious note, I think it's really important

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Speaker 1: that everyone keeps up to date with them. Amy. You

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Speaker 1: know that's no no, I'm going I'm getting one done.

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Speaker 1: I have to make sure I've washed all my underpants now.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully this can be a reminder for anyone that's been

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Speaker 1: putting it off, because literally I got there and was

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Speaker 1: script field. I was so shocked because you sent me

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Speaker 1: a snapchat being like, oh fuck my life in the

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Speaker 1: waiting room, and then I get this cool like five

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Speaker 1: minutes later being like, oh, I'm done, so I have

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Speaker 1: to I'm getting mine in the next few weeks. And

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Speaker 1: it does make me feel you've just got to. You

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Speaker 1: just got to kind of pretend you're not there. It's

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Speaker 1: very queer, it's very easy. Do you know what I

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Speaker 1: want to do, and I know this would be frowned

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Speaker 1: upon it. I'm not actually going to do it, but

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Speaker 1: I feel like if I was there with sunglasses, I'm

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Speaker 1: not having to look at them. I feel like that

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Speaker 1: would put a bit of oh that's moral, that would

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Speaker 1: be worse. What I did was I just tried to

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Speaker 1: and she respected it. She knew that I didn't want

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Speaker 1: it was just something weird that she looked at yours

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Speaker 1: I'd love to run out, well, Sophie. I've been doing

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Speaker 1: I love how low brow this podcast has turned. On Friday,

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Speaker 1: you are talking about people pueing in the office toilets.

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Speaker 1: quite different to the normal perhaps myth. So the best

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Speaker 1: to get it done for another five years. That's right. Well,

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Speaker 1: moving on from my cervical screening test that you guys

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Speaker 1: have also had things going on in your week. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we actually held an event for a client this week.

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Speaker 1: We don't do a lot of them, but when we

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Speaker 1: bags Adelaide influences. Yeah, that's right. Well it was for

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Speaker 1: our client, which is Adelaide Dental Spark. Give them a

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Speaker 1: bit of a plug because we do work with them.

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Speaker 1: They're great there. But what we do work with them, no,

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Speaker 1: So it's really funny though, because when I do go

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Speaker 1: just will not do it. Like I'm there being like

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Speaker 1: really good day. Well, you forgot the Highlight which was

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Speaker 1: I just didn't do it good enough to shower cap.

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Speaker 1: This week, influencer Lily Brown got tongues wagging when she

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Speaker 1: those who don't know who is Lily Brown? Well, Lily

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Speaker 1: when Lily first started, she was very much emulating Shanni

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Speaker 1: they were just so vulgar. She kind of almost appeared

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Speaker 1: say just bizarre catchphrases. Grne like characters. She has been

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Speaker 1: through her old YouTube videos, it was so cringey because

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Speaker 1: you know, Lily used to Michael fat all the time,

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Speaker 1: and then he would be rude to her and call

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Speaker 1: to get competitive? Do you think that's why she's trying

431
00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,920
Speaker 1: to drag them down. It's interesting you mention it because

432
00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,199
Speaker 1: when I saw the video, I didn't necessarily think it

433
00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,040
Speaker 1: was a strategic move. I thought that maybe she'd been

434
00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,000
Speaker 1: kind of forced to say something because every time she

435
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,200
Speaker 1: does put up a Q and A on her Instagram,

436
00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,280
Speaker 1: she is asked continuously by fans about the friendship breakdown. Yeah,

437
00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,880
Speaker 1: but this has been going on for ages. I definitely

438
00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,960
Speaker 1: think the timing is questionable. What about what she said

439
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,399
Speaker 1: about Michael Finch because I was quite surprised by this. Yeah,

440
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,200
Speaker 1: well that is again something that Lily has been questioned about,

441
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,000
Speaker 1: which I find interesting because as we started with when

442
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,880
Speaker 1: we're explaining who she is, she is known for being

443
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,960
Speaker 1: a bit of a social climate and for having a

444
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 1: lot of famous friends. So it is interesting that if

445
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,239
Speaker 1: she has used this as a strategy to promote her

446
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,280
Speaker 1: own brand, yet again, she's kind of using her famous

447
00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 1: friends to gain notoriety. Do you know what I find

448
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,600
Speaker 1: funny though, is the fact that you know, she's explained

449
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,679
Speaker 1: what's happened between her and Michael Finch, and it's what

450
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,800
Speaker 1: everyone expected. They had a falling out because she moved

451
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 1: to the Gold Coast and basically was obsessed with their

452
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,400
Speaker 1: first boyfriend, Jerome, So Michael was pissed off at her

453
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 1: for not spending enough time with him. So that's what

454
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 1: caused the friendship breakdown. When it was playing out in

455
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 1: front of us, so I knew this was exactly the

456
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,440
Speaker 1: reason why. And again it's such a relatable thing because

457
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 1: I think a lot of girls when they're in their

458
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 1: twenties and they get their first serious boyfriend, they do this.

459
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,919
Speaker 1: They don't hang out with their friends anymore. What I

460
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 1: did love though, was a few of the little details.

461
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 1: So she spilled that on Michael Finch's birthday two years ago,

462
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 1: there was a there was some shit that went down,

463
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 1: but he basically blocked Lily from his Instagram and then

464
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 1: she ended up unfollowing him because he kept blocking and

465
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 1: unblocking her and she was just over the drama. What

466
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,119
Speaker 1: I find really funny is these influencers aren't willing to

467
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,879
Speaker 1: publicly say what's going on between them, but they do

468
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 1: then publicly block and unfollow each other like it's quite

469
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 1: clear things are going on behind the scenes. When this

470
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 1: sort of behavior happens, you would think that they would

471
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,719
Speaker 1: just leave allow the person to keep following them. What

472
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,199
Speaker 1: did you guys think of Lily hinting that maybe she

473
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 1: was going to drop more dirt about other influences in

474
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 1: their behavior. Oh wow, this one really excited me because

475
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 1: Lily went on a bit of a rant about how

476
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 1: fake a lot of influences are and that she would

477
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,199
Speaker 1: love to blow the lid and she's got receipts. It

478
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,440
Speaker 1: did make me think is she talking about Lucy and

479
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 1: Nicky or is there someone else, some other influences that

480
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 1: she's got dirt on Well. I did find it funny

481
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 1: because she did talk about that when she addressed the

482
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 1: question as to whether she thought that her social media

483
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: career would be a long term thing. And it's clear

484
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 1: that she's come to the realization that maybe this won't

485
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 1: last forever. And I kind of hope that, Like, if

486
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,880
Speaker 1: this isn't going to last for these people, I hope

487
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 1: they do leave on a bang and just give us

488
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,360
Speaker 1: all of the juicy details. Do you think Lily's new

489
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 1: frame of mind has anything to do with the fact

490
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: that her new boyfriend doesn't want to be featured on

491
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 1: her social media He seems like a quiet, level headed guy,

492
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: and I like the fact that she's finally dating someone.

493
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 1: Unlike her extra Rome, who seemed to be want to

494
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: be like the center of attention, this guy seems to

495
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: want to actually be with her and not be a

496
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: social media influencer. Yeah, that was so refreshing to hear that.

497
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 1: And I feel like Lily came across as so much

498
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: more mature in this video than she has in previous times.

499
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 1: And I do think that is to do with her

500
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: new boyfriend. Maybe he is a really good influence on her. Well,

501
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 1: I love the fact that she said he's actually studying psychology,

502
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: so the fact that he's actually got his own genuine career.

503
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 1: And I think it's also helping her because she said

504
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 1: that since going out with him, she has now sought

505
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: out the help from a psychologist to speak about this

506
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: friendship breakdown as well. Yeah, I've got to say I

507
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: think the evolution of Lily's YouTube channel has been quite good.

508
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 1: She has been a lot more open and honest about

509
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 1: her mental health. I do like the fact that she

510
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: talks a lot about exma as well, and most recently

511
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: she detailed getting a mole removed and it biopsied, so

512
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 1: I think that was kind of good. However, she does

513
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 1: still post the same vulgar things like I think so

514
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: she was sitting on the toilet. Actually I put an

515
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: upsot of this because this was quite shocking, so I'm

516
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 1: currently just doing I've got to say, despite the vulgar content,

517
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: I actually have a newfound respect for Lily because I've

518
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: never been a huge fan of her. I haven't disliked her,

519
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 1: but she hasn't been my favorite influencer. But after watching

520
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: that video, I was like, Wow, I love how honest

521
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: she's been and she was actually saying stuff that was

522
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: of interest rather than just the fickle bullshit that most

523
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,479
Speaker 1: of the posts. I think she's now realizing that she

524
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 1: doesn't have to put on a performance and be something

525
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: that she's not, that people actually want to see this realness. Yeah,

526
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: I think it's also sad. When I was looking back

527
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: at her YouTube videos, it was quite clear that she

528
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: felt the need to make herself more like Shanni and

529
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: Michael and Sky Wheatly Like. When she first started out,

530
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: she didn't have any lip filler or anything like that,

531
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: and it didn't take long for her in one settings.

532
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: So in one sitting she went and got lip filler,

533
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: she got botox in her forehead, and she got cheek filler. Wow,

534
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: she said. At that time she had really only gone

535
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: in to get half a meal extra of goalie schiller.

536
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: She then ended up going out with all of those

537
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: things plus a meal of lip filler, and she spoke

538
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: about how it was really embarrassing because she had a

539
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: really bad reaction to the botox in her forehead and

540
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: apparently there was sort of too much in there and

541
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: froze the top of her face and she got highly

542
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,959
Speaker 1: ridiculed for this, which seems to again have affected her

543
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: mental state. Yeah. Do you think though that now that

544
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 1: it is kind of popular to be candid? And I

545
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: suppose more of these influences are having podcasts where people

546
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: are actually relating to them, you know, I e. Nikki

547
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: and Lucy's podcast. Do you think that she's seen how

548
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: real and open they've been on theirs and it's now

549
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: going to use YouTube as a platform to try and

550
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: connect with her audience in that way. I mean, perhaps

551
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: it's hard to say, because I feel like, looking back

552
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: at the old content that was popular in twenty sixteen

553
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: and seventeen, it seemed like everyone was coppying each other.

554
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 1: And I feel like this evolution of clean eating and

555
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: being you know, open with your mental health, it's what

556
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: everyone's doing. So I do think that perhaps she's seeing

557
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: how's it is working for other people and she might

558
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: be doing the same or I for one, I'm really

559
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: interested to see if Nicky and Lucy do hit back

560
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: or comment on this in any way, because you know,

561
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: as we said, we have only heard Lily's side of things,

562
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: so I'd be interesting to hear what the girls have

563
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: to say. There's a hair on your face? Can I

564
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 1: get it. Probably you'll rang a fucking hair cel over

565
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: my bathroom floor.

566
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 2: I'd pick it up.

567
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: Let's get into the reality wrap. And I was so

568
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: excited last week to have Maths back on our screens.

569
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: I was slightly disappointed though, because they finally revealed when

570
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: the real season is starting, and it's not until later

571
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: in February. Yeah, this really surprised me. I thought that

572
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: they would run it straight after while they've peaked everyone's

573
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: interest back into the show. Yeah, it didn't make a

574
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: lot of sense, particularly because it was also on the

575
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: first night up against the I'm a Celeb finale and

576
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: it didn't do too well against it. That show beat

577
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: it out, and then on the second night it went

578
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: up against Channel seven's new reality show Holy Molly, and

579
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: that beat it can I just say my boyfriend had

580
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: a bit of Holy Moly on and it is just

581
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 1: the lowest, low brow, like family fun program. Kind of

582
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: reminds me of that lame show Wipeout. But Dad, you

583
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: really loved it. And Reese actually we flicked it on

584
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,239
Speaker 1: in the ads and he was like losing it there.

585
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: It was kind of funny, But I'm like, I feel

586
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: like it's a one time show. Funny. I feel like

587
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: it's not going to have longevity. It's a kind of

588
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: show that people would review on goggle box. Well, I

589
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: feel like it's kind of when that Mask Singer show

590
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: got popular, and I was like, when I was watching

591
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: Ads and La, there's no way this looks completely shit.

592
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: But I suppose it suits that family friendly time slot.

593
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 1: Do you know what's funny? I say that that show's

594
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: low braw, but we're literally talking about a show where

595
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: people throw wine on one another. Come on, we'll getting

596
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: into the show. Cyrell really was the star of it.

597
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: What did everyone think about her feud with Jess Power.

598
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: I thought that Jess went into the show in quite

599
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: a clever way because she made herself seem a lot

600
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: more mature and that she wasn't really down to engage

601
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: in Cyrel's argument. But Cyrel just made itself look so bad.

602
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: It was quite clear that Jess and Martha had a

603
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: bit of a pact that they would make themselves look

604
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: like the bigger people and not argue on the show.

605
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: I almost felt like the producers were telling Cyrel what

606
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: to say. The fact that she threw wine at Jess,

607
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: it was fairly obvious that was all set up because

608
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: did you notice how I mean it always at the

609
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: dinner party, it always escalates, and it always it's very

610
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: chopped and changed. Yeah, but I didn't really feel it

611
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: didn't feel genuine to me. My god, I mean, can

612
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: you imagine telling Cyrel to do something that she seems

613
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: to be pretty amped up herself? Like, I feel like

614
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 1: she went into that dinner party being like, I am

615
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: going to cause a scene, and you could see that

616
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: Innis was kind of spurring her on to do something. Yeah,

617
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: but from watching Cyrel a couple of series ago, it's

618
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: clear that the producers know how to push their button.

619
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: So they probably went in there and be like, did

620
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: you know they said this about you? This is what

621
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: they said, blah blah blah. They probably offered her money

622
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: to do it as well. To be completely honest, when

623
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: you touched on the fact that Martha and Jess were

624
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: trying to be the bigger people, do you think it's

625
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: due to the fact that they probably now work with

626
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: so many brands that expect a certain level of behavior

627
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: from them. So if they were to come out being

628
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: absolutely foul and disgusting the way Cybrell was, they might

629
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: lose those brand deals. Yeah, that's a really good point.

630
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if Cyrel really works for

631
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: brands as you say, like Martha and Jess are more

632
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: the influencers that have come from that series. Cyrel just

633
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: seems to be being paid by magazine, so she's probably

634
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 1: just trying to keep herself relevant. I've got to say,

635
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: I did love the new titles that they were giving

636
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: each of them. So it was weird because Jess was

637
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: an influencer, yet Martha was a content producer or something,

638
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: so it wasn't it was. I made a mental note,

639
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: but I've forgotten. It was like digital, Yeah, digital personality

640
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: or something like that. I think it's meant to be influencer.

641
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: Did anyone see the message Cyrel put on Instagram after

642
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: the reunion it. I did see the message, and I

643
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: also saw her partner commenting on it, Eden, who was

644
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: on Love Island, saying how proud he was of her behavior,

645
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, do we watch the same show? Yeah?

646
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: He was also on SAS but left because he couldn't

647
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: cross over a bridge. But that's I digress and he

648
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: both can't get over the bridge, can they? No, Well,

649
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,239
Speaker 1: it seems like cy Rell is still mad about it,

650
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: She wrote, suck on my breastfeeding titties. She then started

651
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: a post calling out the contestants that questioned her and said,

652
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: you know, how to go about how they had judged

653
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: her parenting. It's like, come on, like just get over it.

654
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: Although I don't think anyone should call out someone's parenting,

655
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: I think that we can call out her behavior. It

656
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: was incredibly immature. But I mean, what are we expecting

657
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: from a show like this. This is what we live for,

658
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: these sort of drama and outbursts. Talking about incredibly immature.

659
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: What did everyone think of NASA? He really got under

660
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: my skin. Oh, he came across so poorly, and he's

661
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: had to come out and apologize yet again. I mean,

662
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: he apologized numerous times on the show, but no one

663
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: was having it. And now Michael s put out a

664
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: sensational post about the fact that he was you know,

665
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: he called NASA out and he's calling other trolls out.

666
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: That was one positive that came from NASA being on

667
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah. I really enjoyed Michael's open letter to NASA,

668
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: and I think he's probably had a good influence on Martha.

669
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: Perhaps that's why she was acting so maturely on the show.

670
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: I put it in a way that it was said that, yeah,

671
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: I did you know because I told Nick came and

672
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: told you that if you swear it.

673
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: Now, let's get into the influencer wrap and Tammy Henbro

674
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: has given her followers the first glimpse of her brand

675
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: new house on the Gold Coast. Gosh, it looks bloody amazing.

676
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: But I think what people are mostly talking about is

677
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: the fact that she spent twenty four thousand dollars on

678
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: a mirror. It was a pretty sensational mirror. We'll have

679
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: to share a photo on our Instagram page and also

680
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: in our Facebook community. It was a lighter pink mirror

681
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: that she said was shipped from Madrid. But would you

682
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: go pay twenty four thousand dollars for something like that

683
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: if you were earning what Tammy's earning. Well, at the moment,

684
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm struggling to put a couple of grand towards a

685
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: table a dining set, So no, I mean, this is

686
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: on my wage. No fucking way would I spend that

687
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: amount of money and a mirror. I still don't think

688
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: I'd spend that much money on a mirror, even if

689
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: I was as rich as Tammy, because I've been thinking

690
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: about it. I don't even think i'd buy designer bag.

691
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: But it's literally an Instagram post for her, probably like

692
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: she probably gets paid around twenty four thousand dollars for

693
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: a post. Can I just say that, I feel like

694
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: mirrors are influenced as big as accessories. Though, have you

695
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: noticed they are always instagramming in and they're showing off

696
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: their outfits, So you better have a nice bloody mirror.

697
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: That's very true, and as Victoria Devine would say, I

698
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: feel like it aligns with her personal values. Like Tammy Hembros,

699
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: I actually found the mirror quite ugly. I thought it

700
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: was cool, but I don't think it would be something

701
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: that a man would like in the house or very early. Well,

702
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: it's her house, I mean. The thing that I find

703
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: quite interesting is she actually moved into this house in

704
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: August of last year, yet is kind of the first

705
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: time we're having a real good look at it. Well,

706
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: the thing I loved about her little sneak peek was

707
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: the fact that she doesn't just have a walk in wardrobe.

708
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 1: She's also got a room just for her shoes and

709
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: also then another room only for her handbags. That's very

710
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian s because Kim only shared the other day

711
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: on Instagram how she's got a full room in her

712
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: house dedicated to her Skims new line. Oh my gosh. Yeah,

713
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: it was crazy. That makes Tammy Hembro's wardrobe not look

714
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: so impressive though, if you've just got a room just

715
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: for the line of your clothes, No, we're talking about impressive.

716
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: Did anyone else see Tylia Skaines's vlog where she shows

717
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: off her boyfriend Mitch Third's new warehouse. Yeah, I actually

718
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: found this flog really fascinating because it was really interesting

719
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: to see a bit of a behind the scenes look

720
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: at how they have built up the business, and I

721
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: enjoyed seeing the renovation process of the warehouse. Yeah. Well,

722
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: for those who aren't aware, Mitch owns Third Fix, which

723
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: sells drink bottles as well as a clothing line associated

724
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 1: with Talia. I was watching this with my boyfriend and

725
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: I said, God, I didn't know there was that much

726
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: money to be made in bloody drink bottles. I was

727
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: shocked at how many drink bottles they sold though over

728
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: the Black Friday and Christmas period because he got in

729
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: about I think it was ten thousand drink bottles delivered

730
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: to him, and then a few weeks later after the

731
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: Christmas period, they were having to bring more in. And

732
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: these drink bottles are thirty five dollars each, so that's

733
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: almost three hundred and fifty thousand, well over three hundred

734
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars of possible sales they made. Yeah, well,

735
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: you were sending me links last night, Amy that there's

736
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: a very similar drink bottle and on Ali Barba that

737
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: sells for about two dollars, so they must be making

738
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: a lot of money on them. So to be fair,

739
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: it's like the base of the drink bottle, but they've

740
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: obviously designed some somewhat of it themselves. Once you've got

741
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: a base model, though, can't you work with the manufacturers there? Yeah,

742
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,239
Speaker 1: that being said, at least they have changed it up

743
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: a bit and they are quite transparent on their website

744
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: because it said the drink bottles are designed in the

745
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: Gold Coast and then they're made in China. Yeah, it's

746
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: not a complete copylight the House of White the Beverly.

747
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: I do have to take my hat off to him,

748
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,479
Speaker 1: though it is refreshing to see him actually building his

749
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: own business. I mean, he wasn't. He's not really an

750
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: influencer in his own right. I feel like they kept

751
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: this business quite in the background. It wasn't as though,

752
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, he has yeared you're a lot to

753
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: promote the drink bottles, because did you know it was

754
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: his line? I didn't. But I don't know if like

755
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, is that a bit deceptive? Yeah, I

756
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: mean I suppose there are two trains of thought. They're

757
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: not deceptive. I suppose it's clever. It is clever. I

758
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: do have respect for him that he's built this business.

759
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he'd be silly not to the fact that

760
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 1: you've got an influencer that's gonna promote your product all

761
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: the time. It's been crazy not to do something like that.

762
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: It actually shows how important marketing is, though, because, as

763
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: you say, this is a drink bottle you probably could

764
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: buy for a couple of dollars on Ali Barber. But

765
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: the way they have marketed is really clever. Even when

766
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: I saw these drink bottles, I wanted one. Yeah, I

767
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: actually think they're really cool. I don't know if i'd

768
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: pay thirty five dollars for them, but they're pretty cool designs.

769
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: I do. I do find it interesting though, because I

770
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: do follow Mitch Mitch's Instagram account, and I feel like

771
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: he is becoming this entrepreneur, like he seems to be

772
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: sharing all these inspirational quotes and answering questions about his

773
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: success when no wonder he could have thought that Tesla

774
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: after sending that you know he's selling ten thousand drink bottles. Yeah,

775
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: but the whole point was he couldn't afford it because

776
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: you've got a loan. Yeah, I'm sorry. If you've made

777
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty k on some drink bottles, I

778
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: think you can afford it. Yeah, we'll talking about people

779
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: making bank. Shany Grimman's roommate Josh Hedley, has started his

780
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: own OnlyFans account. I don't know if he's making heaps

781
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: of bank because I had a look at the page

782
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: and obviously I haven't signed up, so a lot of

783
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: the content is blocked. But it's almost like he's been

784
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: begging people to join, because he's been saying, oh, if

785
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: I get a hundred subs, there's fire content coming. And

786
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: he's also been saying to people that he will send

787
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: through free cheeky photos if they prefer a friend. Do

788
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: you think he's losing relevancy now that Shany Grimmins come

789
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: out with her new boyfriend, Jacob Tompkins, Because there was

790
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: a time where everyone was loving seeing Shany and josh flogging,

791
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: and now I think he's been replaced. To be honest,

792
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: I completely forgot about him until I saw this only

793
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: Fans thing. I mean, to be honest, I would not

794
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: be interested in subscribing to his only Fans account at all,

795
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: but the little, the little photo on the preview was

796
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: enough for me. But one hundred percent, he's become becoming

797
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: more irrelevant now that Joshua was it no his name,

798
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: so Jacob Tompkins is in the picture. But how much

799
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: do you think he's charging for his only Fans account? Well,

800
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: for someone who hasn't actually subscribed to any only Fans account,

801
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Like five bucks a month, I don't

802
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: It's fifteen ninety nine, which I feel like, what's a

803
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: lot higher than That's like a subscription to me? It's

804
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: fifteen not yeah, I thought you said fifteen. I'm still

805
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: shocked at fifteen. That's a Netflix subscription. There's a lot

806
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: of things to watch on Netflix. Well, it doesn't be

807
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: some must be some absolute fire content. He said, Well,

808
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: they did some quick maths and obviously he's after one

809
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: hundred subscribers. That means he'd be making one four hundred

810
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: and ninety nine a month. That means it's only three

811
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy four dollars a week. I don't know

812
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: if he I don't know, GiB but isn't it one

813
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: hundred subscribers that he's like, you know, that's his first milestone.

814
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure he wants more than one hundred. Yeah. Well,

815
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: he was saying that people could pay him five dollars

816
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: to get extensive videos. So he posts like a little

817
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: teaser of I don't even know what it was because

818
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: I'm not following it. Look, I've heard enough about it.

819
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: I think we need to get onto the news story,

820
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: which is about influencer Anna Paul. Now, she is someone

821
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: that's not trying to scrounge money. She's actually admitted on

822
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 1: her Instagram story that she recently turned down a ninety

823
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: thousand dollar brand deal because she didn't believe in the brand.

824
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: This comes off the back as well, with Lauren Curtis

825
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: admitting that she didn't take up a one hundred thousand

826
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: dollar deal, because she also it didn't seem genuine to

827
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: her this brand partnership. I would really like to know

828
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: what the brand was. I'm wondering if it's some sort

829
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: of like sex toy or something, because I know a

830
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: lot of influencers haven't been keen to promote those sorts

831
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 1: of products. I don't know if it is because Anna

832
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: Paul said that she didn't want to lie to her

833
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: followers that it was a great product, So I don't

834
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: know if that correlates with the sex toy. Maybe it's

835
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: something like a tanning product, or maybe it's something she's

836
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: been against in the past. It must be a pretty

837
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: big brand to be throwing around ninety thousand dollars for

838
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: an influencer deal. I mean, I do understand that brands

839
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: do spend a lot of their marketing budget on influences.

840
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: That seems like a hell of lot of money. It

841
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: is great for them to knock it back, though, because

842
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: that is so much money. Yeah, I mean, it is

843
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: really important. But I feel like as the influencer world

844
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: is involving and we're expecting more from our influencers, is

845
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: this something that we're probably going to see a lot

846
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: more of because influencers are really held to a higher

847
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: account and scrutinize a lot more for their brand deals.

848
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: I mean it's only three or four years ago when

849
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: it was okay for influencers to promote skinny Me tea. Yeah,

850
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: but don't you think it strengthens their brand as well?

851
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: The fact that they've come out and said that they've

852
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 1: knocked these brand deals back, because now when they actually

853
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: do a brand post, you'll be like, oh, well, they

854
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: obviously believe in that because they've knocked huge deals back. Yeah,

855
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: it's actually very clever. Well, I think that's all we've

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