1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Well, a lot of messages flowing through on the three 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: sixty text line. Now I am going to get to 3 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: some of those in a few minutes time, but there's 4 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: certainly lots of you saying obviously the Health Minister won't 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: answer the question, typical politicians passing the buck. And there 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: is someone else saying, good morning Katie, the girl who 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: lied on her border entry forms, claiming her mental health 8 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: is affected. 9 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: Well, all territory. 10 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: Ands mental health has been affected by her lying. She 11 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: needs to get over herself and face up to what 12 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: she did, says Gail in Woodroff. But however, you look 13 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: at this, we do know that really a lot of 14 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: people wondering how on earth a woman, this young woman 15 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: was labeled a sex worker when she isn't on the 16 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: Chief Minister's Facebook page. Now joining me in the studio 17 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: is the opposition leader Leah Finocchio. Good morning to you. 18 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: Lead Come morning Katie into your listeners, Lea. 19 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: There is obviously some kind of serious flaw here in 20 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: the way in which things are being posted to the 21 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: Chief Minister's official Facebook page when something like this goes up. 22 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: We know that this young woman now has spoken to 23 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory News and said that she's livered at 24 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 1: a post made by the Chief Minister on social media 25 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: which wrongly stated her occupation. 26 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Katie, and I can imagine just how livid that 27 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: young woman is. But I think this goes to a 28 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 3: bigger issue that Territorians have been grappling with since the 29 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: start of the pandemic, and that is the fact that 30 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 3: the Chief Minister continues to use his Facebook page as 31 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 3: some sort of public messaging site. 32 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: Well, I've got a message here from one of our 33 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: listeners and it says I'm blocked from his page, so 34 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: I didn't see it, like I guess most of. 35 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: The population, says that person. 36 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: Well, and look, I know that you know that that 37 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: is obviously something that some people aren't actually able to access. 38 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 3: That. Sure, I mean, and I'm sure the Chief Minister 39 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: blocks plenty of people, But ultimately, what he's done over 40 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 3: this pandemic has created a dependency for Territorians to get 41 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 3: the most up to date COVID informations is global pandemic 42 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 3: health information. They've forced people to go to his Facebook 43 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 3: page so that he can have greater political influence and control. 44 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: I've been calling this out for months. I think it's 45 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 3: absolutely disgusting, Katie. And once again what we've seen people 46 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 3: need to understand that it is fifth four political staffers 47 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: who are putting this stuff together and putting it on 48 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 3: the Chief Miness's Facebook pages. Is not public health officials, 49 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: It is not public health messaging. And what we've got 50 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 3: is a stuff up that just really highlights the weakness 51 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 3: of the government's this control system they've got in directing 52 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: people to his face. 53 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: What do you reckon should happen here? Politicians are allowed 54 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: to use Facebook. 55 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 3: It's not that it's the way in which he drives 56 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 3: people to his Facebook and forces them to get the 57 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: most up to date information there. We've regularly called out 58 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 3: instances where his Facebook has the public health messaging, but 59 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: the website doesn't for hours and hours and hours after, 60 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 3: you know, until hours after his Facebook posts. 61 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 2: So that's not acceptable. 62 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: And I imagine that this young lady wants a policy 63 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 3: direct from the Chief Minister himself. 64 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,839 Speaker 1: Leah, I know that you know, this young woman may 65 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: be livid at the claims that have been. 66 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: Made, but the territory is pretty livid that. 67 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: She sent us into a lockdown and cost many territory 68 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: businesses thousands and thousands of dollars. In your opinion, do 69 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: you think that a five thousand dollar fine is enough 70 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: for this person or do we realistically need to look 71 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: at further penalties in jail time as we saw in 72 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: Western Australia with those two blocks that light on their 73 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: border forms, light on their entry forms and got in 74 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: for the footy finals over there. 75 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we should be looking at that. 76 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 3: I think we need to send a really strong message 77 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 3: to people that you must comply with our public health processes. 78 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 3: They're there to keep people safe, they're there to ensure 79 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: our economy can be as robust at this really difficult time, 80 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: and it's not okay for the government to say, oh, 81 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: if the police want tore up the fine, they can, 82 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 3: I mean, what a ludicrous thing to say. This is 83 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 3: you know, fines aren't just made up by police, and 84 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 3: it's surprising coming from a former attorney general. That comment 85 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 3: scares me, actually, Katie. But this is about the Parliament 86 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: making sure that we've got the right rules in place 87 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 3: to be protecting territorians. But of course we the government 88 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: don't like sitting in parliament, hence the slashing of three days. 89 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: I'm not surprised they're blaming police. 90 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: A jail term. 91 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: Do you think, well, well, let's look at it. 92 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 3: I mean, what was the level of non compliance? You know, 93 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 3: what lengths are people going to to avoid the system? 94 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 3: And I think all of those things need to be 95 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 3: looked at and the government need to be honest with 96 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: territories about how many non compliances have there been Like 97 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 3: this one is obviously very public one because she did 98 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 3: have COVID. Are there other situations where this has been 99 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 3: happening but the people who've been absconding haven't had COVID, 100 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 3: so it hasn't really hit the pages the papers. So sure, 101 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 3: we're very happy to look at this as an issue, 102 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: and you know government should be doing the same. 103 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: Well, we will continue on that topic now. Lia the 104 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: Chief Minister, I'm not sure if you saw that press 105 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: conference yesterday afternoon, but he seemed to really blow up 106 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: over these remote vaccination numbers. In fact, he looked like 107 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: he was on the verge of tears, calling for these 108 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: vaccination numbers in remote communities to be made available to 109 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government from the federal government and also 110 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: from some of those aboriginal health organizations that are obviously 111 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: in those remote communities Lea. Do you think that we 112 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: need to get these numbers? 113 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: What's your perspective here? 114 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 3: It just doesn't pass the pub test for me. We've 115 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: got a Chief Minister sitting in National Cabinet, we've got 116 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 3: a Health Minister sitting with the other health ministers around 117 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,239 Speaker 3: the country, and of course Greg Hunt, the Federal Minister, 118 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: and all these months later, we still apparently don't have 119 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: this information. It just doesn't make any feasible logical sense 120 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 3: to me. I think what we've got is a government 121 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 3: distracting from the fact that they have royally bungled the rollout. 122 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: I can't state enough, Katie. 123 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: From May this year, I have been saying repeatedly that 124 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: the rollout in the bush has failed and we need 125 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: to be doing more to get that role out going. 126 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 3: We need to change our remote engagement strategy when it 127 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 3: comes to rolling out the vags and nothing has happened 128 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 3: until now, and all of a sudden there's this sense 129 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 3: of urgency, but ultimately we are way behind the eight 130 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 3: ball on this and it's the Gunner government's fault. 131 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: Now we know that the Australian Medical Association is this 132 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: morning sing that those borders should realistically remain closed until 133 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: everyone over the age of five can actually be vaccinated, 134 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: as stated well in that modeling by the Dougherty Institute LEA, 135 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: do you actually think that we should realistically be holding 136 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: off on, you know, sort of lifting those restrictions on 137 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: traveling into other states or do you think that realistically 138 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: people who have been vaccinated should be rewarded with being 139 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: able to travel around. Yeah. 140 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: Look, I didn't hear the AMA say this, Katie, so 141 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: I don't know the context. But obviously there is no 142 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: vaccine for children over five, and they may never be. 143 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 3: I mean, we don't know that the TGA is going 144 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 3: to approve this. I don't think you can just assume 145 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 3: it's going to happen or happen anytime soon. So I 146 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 3: don't know that that is really a viable option. I 147 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: appreciate what they're saying. Obviously they want to protect territorians 148 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 3: and that's got to be at the forefront of all 149 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: of our minds. But ultimately we need to be doing 150 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 3: more with our vaccine rollout. We're way behind the other 151 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 3: states and territories. I mean, for a population of two 152 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand people, we could have all been 153 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 3: jabbed ten times over if you look at how New 154 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 3: South Wales and Victoria have been able to manage their roleout. 155 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: So the Gunner government have got a lot of legwork 156 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: to do and they've got to stop being so brash 157 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: about things and stop being so stubborn. They've just got 158 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: to get on with doing something that actually works well. 159 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: Look, we are going to catch up with the Australian 160 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: Medical Association in just a couple of minutes. I do 161 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: want to ask you though, yesterday we heard from a 162 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: business owner here on the show who is one of 163 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: many businesses who've got serious concerns over the vaccine mandate 164 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: coming into play obviously on the weekend. Is anyone like 165 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: have you sat down with any of these businesses and 166 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: are you being told of these concerns at this point 167 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:52,559 Speaker 1: in time. 168 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: We certainly are. We're meeting with anybody who wants to 169 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: meet with us. 170 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 3: You know, our doors are open, We're not hiding. We're 171 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: still going to events and functions. Were chatting to people 172 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 3: about an issue that everyone is talking about. 173 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: Whether you're an. 174 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: Anti faccery, whether you're vaccinated, or whether you're just vaccine 175 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 3: hesitant or something in between. And I think that's really 176 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 3: important as elected members that we hear it, whether we 177 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 3: like what we're hearing or not. And I think that's 178 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: part of the problem for especially the business community. They're 179 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 3: feeling completely ignored. We've had the Chief Minister repeatedly say 180 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 3: he's not going to provide industry specific support. And when 181 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 3: I say that, I don't mean handouts or payouts. I 182 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: mean doctor legal advice, the HR advice, the insurance advice, 183 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 3: the all of those types of really detailed things that 184 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 3: come into play when you're talking about having to sack 185 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 3: your workforce, and for some businesses it's their entire workforce. 186 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 2: Well, and this is the thing. 187 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: It's not only obviously private enterprise and private business, but 188 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: it is also it's also actually the public seer. Absolutely, 189 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to see how many of 190 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: those public servants are indeed impacted. We did put that 191 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: question to the Chief Minister earlier in the week. He 192 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: didn't have those numbers. Is that something that you guys 193 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: are also taking a look ash. 194 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 2: Of course he didn't have the numbers. Katie. 195 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 3: It's an incredibly convenient thing to say when you're on radio, 196 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: but I. 197 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: Can't remember exactly what the words was so, I don't 198 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: want to put works in his mouth shure, But but 199 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: is that something that you are keen to try and 200 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: find out? 201 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh absolutely, and we're having a briefing on that 202 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 3: very issue soon. Of course, we, like many Territorians, heard 203 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 3: coming out of the lockout that nurses were being turned 204 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 3: away from work at Royal Darwin Hospital, that police were 205 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 3: being sent home, and all sorts of other frontline services. 206 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: Of course, then we saw the government scurry to make 207 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 3: sure that people who are unvaccinated were able to still 208 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: work during the lockout, despite the fact that unvaccinated people 209 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 3: were not allowed to go anywhere during the lockout. So 210 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 3: we've had some extremely confusing positions and we think Territorians 211 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 3: deserve to know what Monday looks like. You know, is 212 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 3: there going to be an emergency services cliff? Are we 213 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: going to see huge volumes of people staying home out 214 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 3: of work? 215 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: I mean, what does that look like. 216 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 3: The Gunner government must have done the modeling, They must 217 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: know the numbers, and our question has been where's the plan? 218 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 3: Like the government have put in the mandate, they haven't 219 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 3: supported business to implement it. I don't know what their 220 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 3: plans are for the public service yet and we will 221 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 3: get that information soon. But what's the plan for all 222 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 3: the jobs, that number of jobs that are going to 223 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 3: be gone. 224 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 2: What are we doing to backfill that? 225 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 3: The territory doesn't have surplus people walking around just waiting 226 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: to be a nurse or a police person or a 227 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: construction worker. 228 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, you know, in their defense, the unions, 229 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,599 Speaker 1: like of the Health Union or the Nursing with re 230 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: Union and the Education Union has said that they are 231 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: expecting those numbers to be sort of smaller in scale. 232 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: So we may not be talking large numbers. But the 233 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 1: fact is, we really don't know. 234 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: We don't know, and I hope it is really small numbers. 235 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 3: But I think the reality is in a jurisdiction our size, 236 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 3: small numbers have huge impact as well. So even if 237 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 3: it's twenty police, you know, by a percentage of our 238 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 3: police force, that's a small number, but it's huge number 239 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 3: of police off the road, for example, And that's not 240 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 3: a genuine number. 241 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: I just you know, made that up as an example. 242 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 3: But you know, we heard about childcare centers having to 243 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 3: be closed during the lockout schools. We're questioning whether or 244 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 3: not they could handle the volume of students coming in, 245 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 3: and some schools were urging parents to keep their kids 246 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: at home if they could. So there is going to 247 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 3: be an impact. I think we'd be silly and naive 248 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 3: to think there's not. Of course, we all hope people 249 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: go and get the job and that the impact of 250 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 3: the mandate is minimal, but ultimately there will be an impact. 251 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: And what is the government doing to plan and prep 252 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 3: for that so that we don't have any more pressure 253 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 3: on a strained health system, any more pressure on crime 254 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 3: and policing, and any more pressure on people just getting 255 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 3: the job done. 256 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: Well, Leaf and Occhiaro, we are going to have to 257 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: leave it there. Always good to catch up with you. 258 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time today. 259 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: Thank you. 260 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: Take care everyone you are listening to Mix one oh 261 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: four point nine. It is just twenty five minutes away 262 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: from ten o'clock.