1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: J Jerzy and Amanda Jamna. 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 2: We've woken to the news that we have a new Pope, 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 2: Robert Prevost. He'll be known as Pope Leo the fourteenth. 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 2: He is the two hundred and sixty seventh pope to 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: lead the world's one point four billion Roman Catholics. To 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 2: find out more, it's nice to talk again to Professor 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: Joel Hodge, Administratian Catholic University. Joel. 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Joel, good morning. Were you good morning? 9 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 3: Were you surprised by this? 10 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: Oh? A little bit surprised. He was one of the 11 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: people who was talked about and one of the people 12 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: I knew in Rome who was telling me was the possibility, 13 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: But he wasn't one of the main contenders that was 14 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: talked about. But you know, it was an open field. 15 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: I suspected that we probably wouldn't get one of the 16 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: main contenders, but you know, they're the ones that people 17 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: talked about and were betting on and all that kind 18 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: of thing. But he he's someone that Pope Francis clearly 19 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: had signaled was someone he had a lot of respect 20 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: or a major future leader, because he had him in 21 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: a major Dicastrio department choosing future bishops. He also promoted 22 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: him to the high highest rank of cardinals. All happened 23 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: in the last couple of years, So someone who was 24 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: on the up, but also interestingly, someone who's not from 25 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: a major diocese, like Pope Francis was from Buenos Aires, 26 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: he was the archbishop of that big city, whereas this 27 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: pope he was from a regional diocese in Peru, so 28 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: not from a big diocese, not from a big city, 29 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: but from the margins in a certain sense, like Pope 30 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: France has emphasized and. 31 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 3: Not being cynical, but an American pope. This isn't to 32 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: appease the Trump administration in any way. 33 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: Is it. Well, the Catholic Church and the cardinals the 34 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: Vatican have always kind of kept themselves at a bit 35 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: of arms length with the United States. I mean, you know, 36 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: allied in close interests, but careful in terms of how 37 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: close they got. So we've never had a pope from 38 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: the United States, and it was thought maybe we never 39 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: would because of that reason. But this indicates that, you know, 40 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: they want to choose the best person, the best man 41 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: for the job, so to speak, and it does give 42 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: us a connection to the Americas. So you know, that's 43 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,839 Speaker 1: where the most number of Catholics are, and so we've 44 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: got a connection to South America and North America at 45 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: the same time. And if you're thinking strategically South America, 46 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: Central America the most number of Catholics. North America has 47 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: a lot of finance, so there's lots of good strategic 48 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: links there. 49 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: What do we know about this new Pope? Will he 50 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: be if he was someone who previous Pope thought was 51 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: on the right path, does that mean he'll be progressive 52 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 2: like the previous pope or more conservative? 53 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: Well, it'll be interesting. I mean those those categories are 54 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: always difficult when talking about the church, and it depends 55 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: on the issue that you're talking about. But look at 56 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: his personality, like when he came out onto the balcony, 57 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: he was smiling, you know, he seemed the ease, relaxed. 58 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: But maybe he won't be the kind of bouncing, big 59 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: personality like Pope Francis or John Paul the Second. He's 60 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: said to be a bit more reserved, a very good listener, 61 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: someone who is with people, accompanying people like Pope Francis 62 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: in that sense. So we'll see what his personality in 63 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: styl is like I think he'll be similar to Pope 64 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: Francis in his emphasis around governance. He talked about a 65 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: sonodyl church, about welcoming lay people more and more into 66 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: the governance of the church, and clear emphasis similar to 67 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: Pope Francis on being with people, walking with people, accompanying them, 68 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: loving them, being with them, etc. So I think those 69 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: he was signaling there that he's continuing on in the 70 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: line of Pope Francis. Also a strong emphasis on peace 71 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: and on mission. He talked his first words would peace 72 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: be with you, and they're the words from the risen 73 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: Jesus after he rises from the dead in the Gospels, 74 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: and he wanted to signal, I think, a strong sense 75 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: of we need that love of Jesus right now, and 76 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: we especially need it for peace in the world. And 77 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: so I think he wanted to signal his his very 78 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: strong commitment to that area. 79 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 3: All right, And I'm glad that they announced it overnight, 80 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 3: because Amanda had a way of deciding the new pope. 81 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 3: Forget about the smoke coming out of the chimney. She 82 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 3: was going to have me in a suit covered in 83 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 3: balloons with numbers on them, and then she would throw 84 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: darts at me to pick the Pope. 85 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: I picked the footy tips the same way, so I thought. 86 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 3: Well, already a throng of people had gathered outside the building, 87 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 3: just waiting, and a seagull landed on top of my head. 88 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: That's that's a lot of balloons and a lot of dart. 89 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: So thank you. 90 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: So it's win win all round. Well, thank you so 91 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 3: much for joining us, and and and thank you and 92 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:02,799 Speaker 3: have a good weekend. 93 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: You true, thanks a lot, Thanks. 94 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 3: John, Professor Joel Hodge. 95 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: There