1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Hey everyone. My name is Sam and I'm joined by 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Zara in the studio. It's Thursday, the fifteenth of July. Zara, 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: second last day of the week, Thursday. Tell me what's 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: in the news. 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: There is COVID news in New South Wales, COVID news 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: in Victoria, an update on the protests in South Africa, 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 2: and some good news about Illinois. We're then going to 8 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: take you through the difference between ATAGI and TGA, because 9 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: the government loves a good acronym. 10 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: Yesterday, in New South Wales, ninety seven locally acquired cases 11 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen were found in the community. Sixty one 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: of those were linked to a nine cluster and sixty 13 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: were in isolation for the entirety of their infectious period. 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: The number the Premiere gladysbire Jiclian particularly focuses on at 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: the press conferences this week is the number of people 16 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: who were in the community while infectious, and that number 17 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: yesterday was twenty four. Unsurprisingly, the lockdown was extended for 18 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: two weeks. 19 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: Always hurts to say this, but we need to extend 20 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: the lockdown so that at least a further two weeks 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: from Friday, the sixteenth of July to Friday, the thirtieth 22 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: of July. That includes home learning. 23 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: For all the parents out there. School students will continue 24 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: remote learning for this period and current restrictions for regional 25 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: New South Wales will remain in place. 26 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: There was some pretty unfortunate news for our Victorian listeners 27 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 2: yesterday when the state recorded seven locally acquired cases of 28 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: COVID nineteen. These cases were linked to removalists and a 29 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: family of four who returned from Sydney. Four of the 30 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: cases announced yesterday were connected to the Aril apartment site. 31 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: Here's what Jerome Weimar had to say at the press 32 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 2: conference when he was announcing these new cases. 33 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 3: This is clearly a very rapidly moving situation. We're very 34 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: keen to make sure we get a very firm grip 35 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 3: of this as soon as we possibly can. 36 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: On yesterday's podcast, we discussed the situation in South Africa 37 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: and it's been a big twenty four hours in the country. 38 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: Seventy two people have been killed after tests broke out 39 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: in response to the imprisonment of former South African President 40 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: Jacob Zuma. Definitely have a listen to yesterday's pod if 41 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: you need some background on this story. Among those killed 42 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: in the violence were ten people who died in the 43 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: stampede in Soweto. Over twelve hundred people have been arrested 44 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: and the protests have been clashing with police for now 45 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: nearly a week. 46 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: The good news today comes straight to you from Illinois, 47 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 2: which has become the first US state to require elementary 48 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: and high schools to teach a unit of Asian American history. 49 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 2: The legislation mandates that the quote contributions of the Asian 50 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: American communities to the economic, the cultural, the social, and 51 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: political development of the US should be taught alongside civil 52 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: rights advancements. This will come into effect as of January first, 53 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 2: and just in time for the twenty twenty two to 54 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: twenty three school year. 55 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: Yesterday on two GB Radio, Prime Minister Scott Morrison was 56 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: on for a chat with Ray Hudley and they started 57 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: disc us seeing the role of a TARGI in the 58 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: slowing of the vaccine roll out. Here's the most important 59 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: part of that conversation. 60 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: Yes, I know a TARGI has been very cautious and 61 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: they had a massive impact on the role out of 62 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: the vaccine program. It really did. It slowed it considerably 63 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: and it put us behind and we wish that wasn't 64 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 3: the result that it was. Those decisions are made independent 65 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 3: of government and should be. And so you know, if 66 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 3: we want a system where drug control in Australia is 67 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 3: not run by politicians but by a professional medicos, well 68 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: sometimes that means they'll be very cautious in circumstances like this. 69 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 3: They didn't go down the emergency approval and advice path 70 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 3: that they did in the United Kingdom. Why because people 71 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: weren't dying every day as they were in the United Kingdom. 72 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: Guys, I have to be honest with you. I live 73 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: and breathe the news and I listened to that and 74 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: wasn't quite sure the differences between a TAGI and the TGA. 75 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: Zara wants to tell you that she was very sure 76 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: and she knows everything. So we're going to explain that 77 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: just in case she wasn't sure of every detail. But 78 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: I think it's a really important distinction because they are 79 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: two bodies that get talked about a heap and now 80 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 1: they've been brought in or at least a TARGI has 81 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: as what Prime Minister Morrison says is a key factor 82 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: in the slowing of the vaccine rollout Zara nowhere of 83 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: all things to do with acronyms, what is a TARGI. 84 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: A TAGI, which sounds really really funny, is the Australian 85 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: Technical Advisory Group on Immunizations and it wasn't a group 86 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: that we'd ever heard of before COVID nineteen, but the 87 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 2: TAGI has played a really, really really central role, especially 88 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: in advising on the Astrazeneka vaccine. So atagi's role is 89 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: to advise the Minister for Health on the medical administration 90 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: of vaccines available. Essentially at a high level. They provide 91 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: recommendations to the government on how to administer vaccines and 92 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 2: provide policies and procedures for the rollout. So when we 93 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 2: were getting all that information about who should be getting Astrazenka, 94 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: when they should be getting astra Zenz, all of that 95 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 2: has been coming from a TARGI. So that's why Scott 96 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 2: Morrison yesterday was speaking about them in relation to the 97 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: pace of the rollout, because a lot of people are 98 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: attributing the slower rollout to the advice we've gotten around 99 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: Astrazenica because the Australian government bought a lot of Astrosenica 100 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 2: vaccines and after the ATAGI advice said that we couldn't 101 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 2: give it to a lot of the younger population. We 102 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: ended up with not enough PISA and a surplus of 103 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: astrozenica vaccines. 104 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: So they sound like they have a massively important role 105 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: in this. What then, does the TGA do. 106 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: So, the TGA is a therapeutic goods administration and there 107 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 2: Australia's regulatory authority for therapeutic goods. They are the ones 108 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: who provide approval for the use of new therapeutic goods 109 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: within Australia. So when PISA or Astrozenica had completed the 110 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 2: clinical trials, it was up to the TGA to approve 111 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: whether or not those vaccines could be administered in this country. 112 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: And they weigh up all of the risks and the 113 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: benefits and all of that, and they made the decision 114 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 2: that both Astrozeneka and Phiza should be approved in this country. 115 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: Okay, So to really help us understand this process, because 116 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: it's a little bit complicated, let's make up our own vaccine. 117 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: Let's call it the daily OS vaccine. Basically, what would 118 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: happen would be the TGA would carry out assessments and 119 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: tests on this new vaccine. They're kind of acting as 120 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: the first port of call here for the Australian government, 121 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: and everybody knows in the government that a vaccine can 122 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: only be used in Australia once they have that stamp 123 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: of approval from the TGA. Then let's say they get 124 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: the stamp of approval. A TARGI will then step in 125 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: to work with the government to provide advice on how 126 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: this vaccine should be rolled out. So in the case 127 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: of the daily OS vaccine, there's a particular advice that 128 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: people aged under fifty should get another one, and so 129 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: a target will be the one publishing that information. If 130 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: any of that changes and suddenly anyone under the age 131 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: of forty can receive the daily OS vaccine, then a 132 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: TARGI will update the government and the government will modify 133 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: it to policies in terms of the roleout in a 134 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: really logistical way, it'll be the difference between whether you 135 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: and I can go into a clinic and get the 136 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: daily OS vaccine. 137 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: One thing I found really helpful in contextualizing these two 138 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: bodies and how they function is by reading the tweets 139 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: from Professor Alan Cheng. Alan Chang is a member of 140 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: a TARGI. He also played a really prominent role during 141 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: the Victorian outbreaks last year, but he often tweets in 142 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: very very simple English about what a TARGI is doing. 143 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: So I'd really advise anyone who wants to know more 144 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: about what the processes look like or how a TARGI 145 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: comes to the conclusions that it does to follow Alan 146 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: Cheng and read his tweets. The thing about a TARGI 147 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: is that it continues to update its advice. So it 148 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: first came out with advice about astrazenica, It then updated 149 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: that advice and increased the age at which it recommended 150 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: people should be getting astrosenica, and later came out with 151 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: some updated advice about the time between which you can 152 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: receive your first and second astrozeneka jab. It's normal for 153 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: there to be continual updates. They are working with a 154 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: growing sample size but also with a risk profile that 155 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: is constantly changing. When the first advice was given about 156 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: the vaccines, there wasn't an entire city in lockdown like 157 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: we are seeing in Sydney today, so it's very normal 158 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: for the advice to reflect how we are progressing and 159 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: continuing through this pandemic. 160 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: Hopefully you now have your head around the TGA and 161 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: a TAGI, but We take our job really seriously in 162 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: terms of giving the correct medical advice, so I just 163 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,119 Speaker 1: wanted to run through some side effects of the Dalio's vaccine. 164 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: Side effects include being extremely informed, thoroughly entertained with good news, 165 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: and being of legend. With all of that, we expect 166 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: the Dalios vaccine to be in high demand and a 167 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: big pivot for the company. Until then, we will continue 168 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: pumping out normal content so you can follow all of 169 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: that on the Dalios on Instagram. Will be there straight 170 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: after every press conference, ready to give you you need 171 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 1: to know. Have a great day.