1 00:00:04,071 --> 00:00:06,511 Speaker 1: Black Cast Unite our voices. 2 00:00:07,471 --> 00:00:11,231 Speaker 2: Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges the traditional owners of the 3 00:00:11,351 --> 00:00:14,951 Speaker 2: land we have recorded this episode on. We also acknowledge 4 00:00:14,991 --> 00:00:17,991 Speaker 2: traditional owners of the land where you, the listener of 5 00:00:18,191 --> 00:00:20,711 Speaker 2: youer are tuning in from. We would like to pay 6 00:00:20,711 --> 00:00:24,071 Speaker 2: our respects to our elders past and present and acknowledged 7 00:00:24,071 --> 00:00:27,351 Speaker 2: that this always was Aboriginal land and always will be 8 00:00:27,591 --> 00:00:34,111 Speaker 2: Aboriginal land. Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with 9 00:00:34,351 --> 00:00:42,631 Speaker 2: Mandanara Bail. Welcome to another episode of the Black Magic 10 00:00:42,631 --> 00:00:46,991 Speaker 2: Woman Podcast. I'm here at the amazing State Library. This 11 00:00:47,191 --> 00:00:50,751 Speaker 2: is actually Carilla Point and we do our tours here 12 00:00:50,871 --> 00:00:52,631 Speaker 2: which you should have a look at if you're here 13 00:00:53,231 --> 00:00:57,791 Speaker 2: in the cultural precinct on Yagura Country here in Brisbane. 14 00:00:58,191 --> 00:01:03,191 Speaker 2: And I've bumped into A. It was interesting Angela. Back 15 00:01:03,231 --> 00:01:04,991 Speaker 2: in the day, I didn't know whether he was like 16 00:01:05,031 --> 00:01:09,631 Speaker 2: an auntie, my mentor he wasn't my supervisor. But I 17 00:01:09,791 --> 00:01:12,791 Speaker 2: was very young. I was fresh out of high school, 18 00:01:13,271 --> 00:01:16,871 Speaker 2: sixteen and in the government when we're first, when I 19 00:01:16,871 --> 00:01:18,951 Speaker 2: first got to meet you, and here we are today 20 00:01:19,231 --> 00:01:24,071 Speaker 2: twenty something years nearly thirty years later at this amazing 21 00:01:24,231 --> 00:01:27,071 Speaker 2: human rights summit. So I just want to say thank 22 00:01:27,111 --> 00:01:28,151 Speaker 2: you for letting. 23 00:01:27,871 --> 00:01:30,511 Speaker 1: Me pull you out of the conference. I feel terrible. 24 00:01:30,511 --> 00:01:32,951 Speaker 2: I've been grabbing a mob to get on this yarn 25 00:01:32,991 --> 00:01:36,951 Speaker 2: because it's very rare to have all these deadly peoples, 26 00:01:37,071 --> 00:01:40,471 Speaker 2: you know, movers and shakers in one place at one time. 27 00:01:40,871 --> 00:01:43,351 Speaker 2: So I've taken, you know, made the most of the opportunity. 28 00:01:43,671 --> 00:01:47,311 Speaker 2: So thanks for jumping on. For people that don't know you, 29 00:01:47,351 --> 00:01:50,031 Speaker 2: can you please introduce yourself, you name your mob, and 30 00:01:50,231 --> 00:01:52,191 Speaker 2: just a little bit about where did you grow up? 31 00:01:52,351 --> 00:01:57,351 Speaker 3: So I'm Angela Varney Leech. I'm a wopple Borough woman. 32 00:01:57,471 --> 00:01:59,551 Speaker 3: So our country of the Kepel Islands off the coast 33 00:01:59,671 --> 00:02:03,551 Speaker 3: of Central Queensland, off for Campton. It's really only better 34 00:02:03,671 --> 00:02:06,071 Speaker 3: to them the Queens and Central Queen's. 35 00:02:05,831 --> 00:02:08,631 Speaker 1: Land stick with Central Queens. 36 00:02:08,671 --> 00:02:10,711 Speaker 3: Yeah, none of us think anything there past Cans, but 37 00:02:10,711 --> 00:02:12,911 Speaker 3: there's a whole life up there. There's a whole lot 38 00:02:12,911 --> 00:02:16,191 Speaker 3: of deadly things happening up past Cans. And I grew 39 00:02:16,271 --> 00:02:20,671 Speaker 3: up in Woodridge, which is out just past Logan there. 40 00:02:20,871 --> 00:02:23,071 Speaker 1: What did Uncle Check say here at the conference? 41 00:02:23,751 --> 00:02:24,151 Speaker 3: Logan? 42 00:02:24,991 --> 00:02:29,791 Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're here. He is Logan where the Bogans are. 43 00:02:30,591 --> 00:02:34,991 Speaker 2: Just like I wasn't expected Check to say that because 44 00:02:34,991 --> 00:02:37,471 Speaker 2: there's a lot of deadly people living in Logan. 45 00:02:38,111 --> 00:02:41,191 Speaker 1: Blackfellows you grew up in, So. 46 00:02:41,151 --> 00:02:42,951 Speaker 3: I grew up Logan. The funny thing was the first 47 00:02:43,031 --> 00:02:44,951 Speaker 3: couple of years before my family ship to the Lagan, 48 00:02:45,031 --> 00:02:48,871 Speaker 3: we lived in Anala. So when people are four zero 49 00:02:48,951 --> 00:02:51,551 Speaker 3: seven seven and so we're kind of four zero seven seven, 50 00:02:51,551 --> 00:02:53,431 Speaker 3: but orso four door one four you. 51 00:02:54,311 --> 00:02:55,391 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to show the love. 52 00:02:55,591 --> 00:02:57,951 Speaker 3: That's it. And I said to people, you don't know them. 53 00:02:57,951 --> 00:03:01,631 Speaker 3: Two suburbs in Brisbane and then you're not a black 54 00:03:01,671 --> 00:03:03,391 Speaker 3: feloc That's that's where we all were. 55 00:03:03,751 --> 00:03:06,471 Speaker 2: You must have been living out passip switch over there 56 00:03:06,471 --> 00:03:07,111 Speaker 2: in wallk. 57 00:03:06,951 --> 00:03:09,151 Speaker 1: Rakia somewhere, that's right. 58 00:03:09,911 --> 00:03:12,991 Speaker 2: So I used to work at the university that you 59 00:03:13,071 --> 00:03:16,471 Speaker 2: now work out, But I met you at Department of 60 00:03:16,511 --> 00:03:19,591 Speaker 2: Families and I was a kid doing my trainee ship, 61 00:03:19,871 --> 00:03:21,791 Speaker 2: try to find my way in the world, didn't know 62 00:03:21,791 --> 00:03:23,711 Speaker 2: what I wanted to be, didn't know what I wanted 63 00:03:23,711 --> 00:03:27,591 Speaker 2: to do, and I found myself as an admin trainee 64 00:03:27,871 --> 00:03:32,231 Speaker 2: admin trainee in the HR director's office. And then you're 65 00:03:32,271 --> 00:03:35,391 Speaker 2: on the same floor in the never Bonner building, Yes, 66 00:03:35,991 --> 00:03:39,031 Speaker 2: the beautiful late Uncle never Bonna. So what was you 67 00:03:39,151 --> 00:03:41,471 Speaker 2: doing there because I never knew what you did and 68 00:03:41,511 --> 00:03:42,991 Speaker 2: I hardly ever got to see. 69 00:03:42,791 --> 00:03:45,471 Speaker 3: You, right, yeah, I just see your walking basket. I 70 00:03:45,511 --> 00:03:48,231 Speaker 3: know you like go shopping there at lunchtime down the wall. 71 00:03:48,351 --> 00:03:49,351 Speaker 1: I shot first. 72 00:03:49,471 --> 00:03:55,271 Speaker 3: I had money, Yes, I remember when I first got 73 00:03:55,311 --> 00:03:57,671 Speaker 3: my first paybacker and that was like it was money 74 00:03:57,751 --> 00:04:01,871 Speaker 3: in that and I was like then days, yeah, then 75 00:04:01,991 --> 00:04:05,071 Speaker 3: way back in the dark era and they open that 76 00:04:05,111 --> 00:04:07,551 Speaker 3: packet really carefully and to see the money come out. 77 00:04:07,871 --> 00:04:09,991 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, this is mine, this is. 78 00:04:09,951 --> 00:04:11,471 Speaker 3: My I can come buy something. 79 00:04:11,791 --> 00:04:15,351 Speaker 2: I worked hard for this. So what was she doing 80 00:04:15,391 --> 00:04:16,791 Speaker 2: in the never A Bonner Building? 81 00:04:16,991 --> 00:04:21,951 Speaker 3: So I was working in HR there. So I did 82 00:04:21,991 --> 00:04:25,951 Speaker 3: a degree at Griffith University and I ended up working 83 00:04:25,991 --> 00:04:29,111 Speaker 3: in HR at Griffith University and HR was my major 84 00:04:29,111 --> 00:04:32,911 Speaker 3: in my degree. And then I went from the university 85 00:04:33,071 --> 00:04:37,151 Speaker 3: into the public service, State public service, and I worked 86 00:04:37,151 --> 00:04:40,751 Speaker 3: there as a HR advisor for a couple of years 87 00:04:40,831 --> 00:04:44,511 Speaker 3: on that floor, but then I moved into strategic kind 88 00:04:44,551 --> 00:04:48,271 Speaker 3: of advising and strategic policy area straight after that. 89 00:04:48,431 --> 00:04:50,111 Speaker 1: I didn't even know what HR was. 90 00:04:50,631 --> 00:04:53,311 Speaker 2: The only reason I ended up in HR is because 91 00:04:53,351 --> 00:04:58,031 Speaker 2: my supervisor, her best friend, was a black woman, so 92 00:04:58,591 --> 00:05:00,951 Speaker 2: she said I would love to supervise, and I'm like, 93 00:05:00,951 --> 00:05:03,231 Speaker 2: all right, I better go with someone that's got connections 94 00:05:03,231 --> 00:05:05,831 Speaker 2: to MOB And I already knew that I would be 95 00:05:06,191 --> 00:05:10,271 Speaker 2: safer culturally as a sixteen year old, but that twelve 96 00:05:10,311 --> 00:05:14,911 Speaker 2: months kind of shaped my life into the fact that 97 00:05:14,951 --> 00:05:18,551 Speaker 2: I knew that I wanted to well, first I wanted 98 00:05:18,551 --> 00:05:19,271 Speaker 2: to wear a suit. 99 00:05:21,751 --> 00:05:23,111 Speaker 1: What do you do with QUT? 100 00:05:23,471 --> 00:05:26,711 Speaker 2: Can we get into that because I am so interested 101 00:05:26,911 --> 00:05:29,871 Speaker 2: in a lot of the things that have now happened, 102 00:05:30,431 --> 00:05:31,111 Speaker 2: the progress. 103 00:05:31,191 --> 00:05:34,591 Speaker 1: Can I call it progress from when I was there? Yeah? 104 00:05:34,751 --> 00:05:40,791 Speaker 3: I think so. I was the first pro vice chancellor 105 00:05:40,791 --> 00:05:47,111 Speaker 3: indigenous pro vice chancellor at QT and then they promoted 106 00:05:47,111 --> 00:05:50,911 Speaker 3: me to a deputy vice chancellor at QT. End up 107 00:05:50,911 --> 00:05:54,391 Speaker 3: being congratulations, thank you, end up being like the first 108 00:05:54,631 --> 00:06:00,111 Speaker 3: bell said, they the first female original female TVC and Queensland. 109 00:06:00,151 --> 00:06:02,231 Speaker 3: I thought, oh my god, I thought so many more 110 00:06:02,311 --> 00:06:05,111 Speaker 3: deadly people than me. So I end up with that. 111 00:06:05,391 --> 00:06:10,631 Speaker 3: But what I do there is usually provide a lot 112 00:06:10,671 --> 00:06:14,351 Speaker 3: of strategic advice around Aboriginal torus, straight on the issues 113 00:06:14,351 --> 00:06:16,871 Speaker 3: and looking at policies and strategies and what it kind 114 00:06:16,911 --> 00:06:21,711 Speaker 3: of needs there. So there's things like I've also the 115 00:06:21,791 --> 00:06:25,151 Speaker 3: UTRU unit comes underneath me as well as the deadly 116 00:06:25,271 --> 00:06:27,991 Speaker 3: Corumba and the deadly professor. 117 00:06:28,151 --> 00:06:28,591 Speaker 1: What do you go? 118 00:06:30,151 --> 00:06:31,871 Speaker 3: So I look over them, and I also have a 119 00:06:31,911 --> 00:06:34,951 Speaker 3: little area that does strategy and policy that works to 120 00:06:35,031 --> 00:06:39,111 Speaker 3: me in my office. So since I came to QUT, 121 00:06:39,951 --> 00:06:41,751 Speaker 3: first thing I did when I went there is just 122 00:06:41,791 --> 00:06:43,751 Speaker 3: to ask all the black fellows. 123 00:06:44,471 --> 00:06:46,311 Speaker 1: You ask it everyone, what what do you want? 124 00:06:46,671 --> 00:06:47,791 Speaker 3: What do you want? What do you think we have 125 00:06:47,911 --> 00:06:50,431 Speaker 3: to do? Give me like I want you to tell 126 00:06:50,471 --> 00:06:54,591 Speaker 3: me what you want me to do, because I didn't 127 00:06:54,591 --> 00:06:57,191 Speaker 3: want to be that black fellow that came in that said, look, 128 00:06:57,231 --> 00:06:58,791 Speaker 3: I've got all the answers. All of you just sit 129 00:06:58,831 --> 00:07:00,351 Speaker 3: there and wait for me to deliver it. 130 00:07:00,631 --> 00:07:02,791 Speaker 2: It's byway or the highway and less. How we're going 131 00:07:02,871 --> 00:07:03,431 Speaker 2: to do things? 132 00:07:03,711 --> 00:07:07,831 Speaker 1: Was it twenty sixteen, twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen, Yeah. 133 00:07:07,791 --> 00:07:09,911 Speaker 2: Because I left twenty I was meant to come back 134 00:07:09,911 --> 00:07:13,471 Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen after I gave birth, and I didn't know. 135 00:07:13,471 --> 00:07:14,671 Speaker 1: I still knew what was going on. 136 00:07:14,711 --> 00:07:16,871 Speaker 2: It's going to come back to my job, but black 137 00:07:16,911 --> 00:07:20,031 Speaker 2: Card took off, which is fabulous, so I didn't need 138 00:07:20,151 --> 00:07:22,551 Speaker 2: to go back and work the nine to five. And really, 139 00:07:22,591 --> 00:07:23,711 Speaker 2: you know, it was hard. 140 00:07:23,511 --> 00:07:27,391 Speaker 1: Work and yeah, it was hard work a little ones. 141 00:07:27,511 --> 00:07:32,431 Speaker 2: Yeah, and just trying to bring people along on this journey. 142 00:07:32,631 --> 00:07:36,871 Speaker 2: We're trying to get people to understand the university's commitment 143 00:07:36,911 --> 00:07:38,031 Speaker 2: which was in the blueprint. 144 00:07:38,391 --> 00:07:43,591 Speaker 1: Still remember this, go and argue with the VC blueprint. 145 00:07:43,631 --> 00:07:45,831 Speaker 2: What are you on the blueprint seven or six or eight? 146 00:07:46,391 --> 00:07:48,631 Speaker 3: We got to six and then we've actually just put 147 00:07:48,671 --> 00:07:51,711 Speaker 3: out our strategic plan. But what was really good about 148 00:07:51,751 --> 00:07:54,311 Speaker 3: the blueprint and the strategic plans is it really embedded 149 00:07:54,311 --> 00:07:56,831 Speaker 3: indigenous exactly. It wasn't about it. 150 00:07:56,831 --> 00:07:59,111 Speaker 1: It wasn't a wrap that was an add on to. 151 00:07:59,231 --> 00:08:01,471 Speaker 3: It was a definite. When I came and they said 152 00:08:01,471 --> 00:08:02,791 Speaker 3: when a we're doing a RAP, I said, we're not 153 00:08:02,831 --> 00:08:06,911 Speaker 3: doing one. Yeah, because we're at a stage where we 154 00:08:06,951 --> 00:08:10,751 Speaker 3: should be building it into every policy, every procedure and 155 00:08:10,831 --> 00:08:13,591 Speaker 3: not having a RAP. I can understand why some organizations 156 00:08:13,631 --> 00:08:19,351 Speaker 3: have raped it, but a university, I think needs to 157 00:08:19,391 --> 00:08:24,111 Speaker 3: start looking at everything it does and just building Aboriginal 158 00:08:24,311 --> 00:08:27,391 Speaker 3: people and perspectives and issues into it and not has 159 00:08:27,431 --> 00:08:29,751 Speaker 3: something that sits to the side, just a rap. 160 00:08:30,151 --> 00:08:33,311 Speaker 2: What are you most proud of since you've been at QUT. 161 00:08:35,671 --> 00:08:36,271 Speaker 1: A few thinks? 162 00:08:37,111 --> 00:08:40,191 Speaker 3: You know what I really like is our Campus to 163 00:08:40,271 --> 00:08:45,791 Speaker 3: Country document? That kind of that says how are we 164 00:08:45,871 --> 00:08:49,631 Speaker 3: going to reflect Aboriginal and terrestra on the sort of 165 00:08:49,631 --> 00:08:54,951 Speaker 3: culture on campus? And that kind of set the pace 166 00:08:55,071 --> 00:08:57,591 Speaker 3: when I said, we need to remember that everybody here 167 00:08:57,631 --> 00:09:02,711 Speaker 3: is a visitor, that this is truble Yaga a country. 168 00:09:03,311 --> 00:09:06,631 Speaker 3: So the first voice and the primary voice is then 169 00:09:07,511 --> 00:09:11,031 Speaker 3: you know, I might be Aboriginal, but I'm not terrible, 170 00:09:11,471 --> 00:09:15,991 Speaker 3: so you know we also are visitors. And then it 171 00:09:16,031 --> 00:09:17,671 Speaker 3: was kind of like, so how do we get their 172 00:09:17,751 --> 00:09:21,951 Speaker 3: voice heard and how do we see them back on 173 00:09:22,031 --> 00:09:24,231 Speaker 3: campus because if you walk through campus, it was all 174 00:09:24,711 --> 00:09:25,991 Speaker 3: just white and white building. 175 00:09:26,071 --> 00:09:28,631 Speaker 2: Yeah, typical institution, typical university campus. 176 00:09:28,711 --> 00:09:31,751 Speaker 3: That's what it was like. And so now when I 177 00:09:31,791 --> 00:09:33,831 Speaker 3: look at all the work that's been done with it, 178 00:09:33,871 --> 00:09:37,511 Speaker 3: and it just feels like, I'm much the environment is 179 00:09:37,551 --> 00:09:40,431 Speaker 3: a lot of so much better. You feel much better 180 00:09:40,551 --> 00:09:44,231 Speaker 3: in it. And it's one it was something that was 181 00:09:44,271 --> 00:09:48,751 Speaker 3: done as a partnership between Black Bars and the facilities area, 182 00:09:48,951 --> 00:09:51,831 Speaker 3: and it's one awards things, So that's it's one of wards. 183 00:09:51,911 --> 00:09:53,391 Speaker 3: It's why I want a state ward and won a 184 00:09:53,511 --> 00:09:57,831 Speaker 3: national award. Look at this, it's just fantastic. So that's 185 00:09:57,831 --> 00:10:00,151 Speaker 3: been good. Something that's one side, and then the other 186 00:10:00,271 --> 00:10:04,951 Speaker 3: side is, you know, I'm really happy with Kurumba, the 187 00:10:05,031 --> 00:10:06,831 Speaker 3: way Karumba has turned out. 188 00:10:06,991 --> 00:10:09,191 Speaker 2: So what is Kurumba for people that don't know. 189 00:10:09,391 --> 00:10:13,391 Speaker 3: So Karumba is the Indigenous Research Institute for the university 190 00:10:13,871 --> 00:10:19,951 Speaker 3: and the executive director is Professor Chelsea Watergy and it 191 00:10:20,151 --> 00:10:22,551 Speaker 3: just gives a lot of advice around indigenous research. It 192 00:10:22,591 --> 00:10:27,511 Speaker 3: undertakes indigenous research, and it also does some teaching and 193 00:10:27,631 --> 00:10:32,831 Speaker 3: unit coordination there as well. So they do a fabulous job. 194 00:10:32,871 --> 00:10:35,991 Speaker 3: So I'm really pleased the way they've shared it turned out. 195 00:10:36,231 --> 00:10:39,191 Speaker 3: You know, Udru. I love it when I see them 196 00:10:39,511 --> 00:10:42,791 Speaker 3: with the students and a student saying, you know, if 197 00:10:42,791 --> 00:10:44,991 Speaker 3: it wasn't for Udru, I would have left, you know. 198 00:10:45,151 --> 00:10:47,391 Speaker 3: And it's kind of like I feel good when I 199 00:10:47,431 --> 00:10:49,871 Speaker 3: see young people doing that. Because when I went to UNI, 200 00:10:50,511 --> 00:10:53,031 Speaker 3: we had a tiny little room and a nun in charge. 201 00:10:53,271 --> 00:10:55,831 Speaker 2: Yes, And so Aililla said the same thing. At you 202 00:10:55,951 --> 00:10:59,791 Speaker 2: Q there was a small little room that she was 203 00:10:59,831 --> 00:11:02,751 Speaker 2: able to go into with say like Ribner Green or 204 00:11:02,791 --> 00:11:03,231 Speaker 2: keV Karmi. 205 00:11:03,311 --> 00:11:05,071 Speaker 1: There's like three black students at UQ. 206 00:11:05,991 --> 00:11:08,671 Speaker 2: And it started with a little just a small little 207 00:11:08,671 --> 00:11:10,911 Speaker 2: desk in one chair and it was like the room 208 00:11:10,991 --> 00:11:12,511 Speaker 2: that they put the brooms and the mops in. 209 00:11:13,191 --> 00:11:14,471 Speaker 1: That's what only a little told man. 210 00:11:15,551 --> 00:11:18,031 Speaker 3: L was quote time you had one little sink, yes, 211 00:11:18,471 --> 00:11:21,871 Speaker 3: and there was like an office, but the nun had 212 00:11:21,871 --> 00:11:25,711 Speaker 3: the office. Yeah. But I went to Universe and Deadly 213 00:11:25,711 --> 00:11:26,591 Speaker 3: people in Vernon. 214 00:11:26,951 --> 00:11:28,511 Speaker 1: Uh what unit did you go to? 215 00:11:28,751 --> 00:11:32,711 Speaker 3: I went to Griffith. Yes, and Lisa Wadigo was there 216 00:11:33,231 --> 00:11:39,551 Speaker 3: and Chris Matthews was there. Like there was just samely 217 00:11:39,591 --> 00:11:40,311 Speaker 3: deadly people. 218 00:11:41,111 --> 00:11:44,351 Speaker 2: I went to you anyway, Now, who's Chris Matthews tell people? 219 00:11:44,391 --> 00:11:45,511 Speaker 2: Because he's a mathematician. 220 00:11:45,631 --> 00:11:45,871 Speaker 1: Rah. 221 00:11:45,951 --> 00:11:50,831 Speaker 2: Yes, Like there's these deadly black fellows, blackademics that are doing, 222 00:11:51,471 --> 00:11:54,151 Speaker 2: you know, just doing doing what they do, what they love. 223 00:11:54,671 --> 00:11:58,711 Speaker 2: But most people in terms of mainstream Australians wouldn't even 224 00:11:58,751 --> 00:11:59,991 Speaker 2: know who they are what they do. 225 00:12:01,031 --> 00:12:01,511 Speaker 1: Oh. 226 00:12:01,631 --> 00:12:05,711 Speaker 3: Chris so clear about when it came and he started 227 00:12:05,751 --> 00:12:09,551 Speaker 3: tutoring other students in maths and eldra. I'm like, I 228 00:12:09,591 --> 00:12:12,631 Speaker 3: don't understand alge breakfast and he would explain it by 229 00:12:12,791 --> 00:12:17,031 Speaker 3: using fruit things. I think he was the first original 230 00:12:17,191 --> 00:12:21,111 Speaker 3: mathematician mathematician, the first person to get a math science 231 00:12:21,231 --> 00:12:25,751 Speaker 3: PhD in Queensland. I think, you know, he's like, he's incredible. 232 00:12:25,791 --> 00:12:26,431 Speaker 1: He's a really. 233 00:12:26,311 --> 00:12:31,471 Speaker 3: Humble person and he works a lot in the indigenous 234 00:12:31,511 --> 00:12:37,751 Speaker 3: maths space, and he was worked with deadly maths. He 235 00:12:37,831 --> 00:12:43,751 Speaker 3: runs around, he goes around running maths programs and computer programs. 236 00:12:44,951 --> 00:12:47,271 Speaker 3: He runs his own his own I don't think it 237 00:12:47,351 --> 00:12:50,711 Speaker 3: happened in his own consultancy thing. So he was, he's 238 00:12:50,791 --> 00:12:54,511 Speaker 3: there and he's just doing great. And then Lisa Watergo 239 00:12:54,631 --> 00:12:58,151 Speaker 3: went to she got an am last time. That woman's deadly. 240 00:12:58,311 --> 00:13:00,071 Speaker 1: And what about Amy maguire? 241 00:13:01,191 --> 00:13:02,791 Speaker 2: Come on, now, look at we could just sit here 242 00:13:02,791 --> 00:13:06,391 Speaker 2: and talk about all these deadly blackfellows that are actually 243 00:13:06,431 --> 00:13:11,431 Speaker 2: doing the work, don't don't always get the recognition. Was 244 00:13:12,191 --> 00:13:14,471 Speaker 2: she did she win an award or a finalist? 245 00:13:14,911 --> 00:13:19,671 Speaker 3: She's a Finalistlla, but she's won so many awards, and 246 00:13:19,671 --> 00:13:23,231 Speaker 3: and like her books, you know, Black Witness. Haven't got 247 00:13:23,231 --> 00:13:25,711 Speaker 3: she and I haven't read Black Witness. Go and get 248 00:13:25,711 --> 00:13:29,591 Speaker 3: the book. Read Chelsea's book Another Day in the Colony, 249 00:13:29,991 --> 00:13:33,431 Speaker 3: and they're just amazing. And I keep waiting for the 250 00:13:33,431 --> 00:13:38,111 Speaker 3: next thing to come out with, you know, because Amy's 251 00:13:38,191 --> 00:13:42,631 Speaker 3: Darrenball and my family is wopple Borough. So we sort 252 00:13:42,671 --> 00:13:45,871 Speaker 3: of we all speak similar language. 253 00:13:45,511 --> 00:13:48,271 Speaker 1: Kind of a countrymen neighbors. 254 00:13:48,351 --> 00:13:50,431 Speaker 3: And I just love that I go through there on 255 00:13:50,471 --> 00:13:55,191 Speaker 3: their way to my country. So I really really love 256 00:13:55,231 --> 00:13:57,831 Speaker 3: hearing from Daraball people. And I said, she's darnball and 257 00:13:57,871 --> 00:14:00,391 Speaker 3: that's kind of like it's really nice day there, but 258 00:14:00,391 --> 00:14:02,831 Speaker 3: it's so clever and so humble. 259 00:14:03,231 --> 00:14:06,311 Speaker 2: And she was Dad's protegan. He used to say that 260 00:14:06,391 --> 00:14:09,511 Speaker 2: to us, she's going to take over my talk show 261 00:14:11,231 --> 00:14:14,351 Speaker 2: and didn't last long because the management didn't, I don't know, 262 00:14:14,631 --> 00:14:17,991 Speaker 2: didn't support her or her views, which are my dad's 263 00:14:18,271 --> 00:14:21,911 Speaker 2: views and my dad's style, which is straight up grassroots. 264 00:14:23,151 --> 00:14:25,431 Speaker 2: So love Amy, big shout out to you, my sister, 265 00:14:25,871 --> 00:14:27,751 Speaker 2: and I'll make sure people know in the show notes 266 00:14:27,791 --> 00:14:30,991 Speaker 2: some of the books that you've mentioned, especially with Chelsea's book. 267 00:14:31,671 --> 00:14:35,391 Speaker 2: What do you think in terms of for universities, in 268 00:14:35,391 --> 00:14:38,871 Speaker 2: particular the opportunities for our mob, for a lot of 269 00:14:38,911 --> 00:14:43,191 Speaker 2: these young fellows that are listening, Angela, how do we 270 00:14:43,431 --> 00:14:47,151 Speaker 2: kind of encourage them? Because I grew up at a 271 00:14:47,191 --> 00:14:49,671 Speaker 2: time where my dad told me that universe is not 272 00:14:49,711 --> 00:14:52,231 Speaker 2: for blackfilence. I still remember him saying that to me, 273 00:14:53,031 --> 00:14:56,711 Speaker 2: and two years ago I enrolled at Monash Business School 274 00:14:57,191 --> 00:15:01,751 Speaker 2: to do the Indigenous Business Leadership Masters and it was 275 00:15:01,791 --> 00:15:05,951 Speaker 2: the first time being around blackfellows that I felt like, Yeah, 276 00:15:05,991 --> 00:15:08,151 Speaker 2: why didn't I do this earlier? Because the course was 277 00:15:08,151 --> 00:15:13,151 Speaker 2: an available to have black knowledge, black perspectives, black academics, 278 00:15:13,191 --> 00:15:17,751 Speaker 2: which is at Corumba now, to have that available and 279 00:15:17,791 --> 00:15:21,111 Speaker 2: then for us to be able to feel empowered within 280 00:15:21,351 --> 00:15:25,591 Speaker 2: that environment, with that literature, with those examples with black 281 00:15:25,631 --> 00:15:29,591 Speaker 2: academics being part of the teaching team. To me, I 282 00:15:29,711 --> 00:15:33,911 Speaker 2: just feel like our more of our younger move in particular, 283 00:15:34,631 --> 00:15:39,351 Speaker 2: don't realize how deadly we are, or we underestimate or 284 00:15:39,431 --> 00:15:43,191 Speaker 2: don't value, or we don't know what we're capable of. 285 00:15:45,231 --> 00:15:47,631 Speaker 2: How do we get past that? As blackfellows? When you're 286 00:15:47,631 --> 00:15:50,591 Speaker 2: being told that you're never going to amount to anything 287 00:15:50,751 --> 00:15:52,111 Speaker 2: or you're not going to be able to do this 288 00:15:52,111 --> 00:15:54,511 Speaker 2: because you're abrashble, you know those days are over. 289 00:15:55,551 --> 00:16:00,311 Speaker 3: I think they are. And you know it's not shame 290 00:16:00,711 --> 00:16:04,111 Speaker 3: to go to UNI. Yeah the other like kids at 291 00:16:04,111 --> 00:16:05,631 Speaker 3: school used to call me a book head. Oh you're 292 00:16:05,631 --> 00:16:07,351 Speaker 3: a book heading. 293 00:16:08,871 --> 00:16:09,991 Speaker 1: I don't think it's. 294 00:16:09,711 --> 00:16:12,711 Speaker 3: Anyone from wanting your bookhead. I don't know. I love 295 00:16:12,711 --> 00:16:16,951 Speaker 3: to read, Okay, I look at the book occasionally. But 296 00:16:17,151 --> 00:16:22,111 Speaker 3: the thing I like about university is it opens a 297 00:16:22,271 --> 00:16:27,591 Speaker 3: whole world of possibilities for our mob. Yeah, because when 298 00:16:27,631 --> 00:16:29,871 Speaker 3: our mob got to hospital, I want to be delusy 299 00:16:30,551 --> 00:16:33,991 Speaker 3: a doctor or a nurse there. Yeah. And we see 300 00:16:34,071 --> 00:16:36,751 Speaker 3: our mobs opening their own business. It's like Chris has 301 00:16:36,791 --> 00:16:42,671 Speaker 3: his own consultancy and people, and Lisa has her own business. 302 00:16:43,271 --> 00:16:46,111 Speaker 3: So my sister has her own business. She went to 303 00:16:46,151 --> 00:16:49,031 Speaker 3: you and I got two sisters at their own business. 304 00:16:49,271 --> 00:16:52,631 Speaker 3: My brother was the first wopper Borough to get a 305 00:16:52,631 --> 00:16:57,551 Speaker 3: pH d and he now works for our TAMRA, which 306 00:16:57,591 --> 00:17:01,551 Speaker 3: is a traditionally used to marine resources up on our country. 307 00:17:02,151 --> 00:17:05,071 Speaker 3: And because he went to UNI, because he had a 308 00:17:05,071 --> 00:17:09,231 Speaker 3: pH d, he now can apply for all these grants 309 00:17:09,231 --> 00:17:11,791 Speaker 3: for us, you know, and he knows all the words 310 00:17:11,911 --> 00:17:15,711 Speaker 3: to use. And we're doing great, you know with that 311 00:17:16,271 --> 00:17:18,751 Speaker 3: because he's able to do all the reports, is able 312 00:17:18,751 --> 00:17:19,831 Speaker 3: to talk to him and he can go in there 313 00:17:19,831 --> 00:17:24,311 Speaker 3: and say I am doctor Harry a listener. 314 00:17:24,311 --> 00:17:26,671 Speaker 1: It carries a lot of weight. Oh, it does those 315 00:17:26,711 --> 00:17:28,191 Speaker 1: letters after your name yep. 316 00:17:29,191 --> 00:17:32,191 Speaker 3: And then the kind of what we run though for 317 00:17:32,271 --> 00:17:36,231 Speaker 3: our young ones there to come on the country, so 318 00:17:36,711 --> 00:17:38,591 Speaker 3: to be able to come on a country and it's 319 00:17:38,671 --> 00:17:42,591 Speaker 3: very healing helping country, you know, and whether they go 320 00:17:42,711 --> 00:17:44,991 Speaker 3: on and become a arranger, because not everyone has to 321 00:17:44,991 --> 00:17:50,351 Speaker 3: go to UNI. Other pathways for people and it's kind 322 00:17:50,391 --> 00:17:56,231 Speaker 3: of in order to win our for our people to 323 00:17:56,271 --> 00:17:58,831 Speaker 3: be strategized and to think about what is it that 324 00:17:58,871 --> 00:18:01,671 Speaker 3: we actually need. We need people who can do lots 325 00:18:01,711 --> 00:18:06,231 Speaker 3: of different things. And whether that's the people who reports 326 00:18:06,311 --> 00:18:09,031 Speaker 3: work out the strategy, who's going to be we're doing what, 327 00:18:09,911 --> 00:18:12,671 Speaker 3: or whether it's people who look after the babies while 328 00:18:12,711 --> 00:18:15,391 Speaker 3: other people are out on the front line. We need everybody, 329 00:18:15,991 --> 00:18:19,231 Speaker 3: and we need all different types of knowledge to do that, 330 00:18:19,431 --> 00:18:22,391 Speaker 3: you know, and that's just all different experience, and I 331 00:18:22,431 --> 00:18:26,111 Speaker 3: think our mob was starting to kind of understand that. 332 00:18:26,151 --> 00:18:27,631 Speaker 3: I think at first it wasn't oh you've got a 333 00:18:27,711 --> 00:18:31,711 Speaker 3: university degree, good, what are you useful for? But now 334 00:18:31,711 --> 00:18:33,911 Speaker 3: I think we're all starting to understand that we will 335 00:18:33,991 --> 00:18:38,831 Speaker 3: have a different place in here. Let's use everybody, and 336 00:18:38,951 --> 00:18:43,431 Speaker 3: let's use that Western knowledge that we gather to help 337 00:18:43,551 --> 00:18:46,791 Speaker 3: us to fight them, to fight the system, because we 338 00:18:46,831 --> 00:18:49,751 Speaker 3: know what the system is, you know, have different ways 339 00:18:49,791 --> 00:18:53,031 Speaker 3: of fighting, different knowledges fighting it. And so I think 340 00:18:53,471 --> 00:18:56,791 Speaker 3: it's very emancipating, not only for the person who gets 341 00:18:56,871 --> 00:18:59,431 Speaker 3: that degree, but it can be for the rest of 342 00:18:59,471 --> 00:19:00,551 Speaker 3: the community as well. 343 00:19:06,311 --> 00:19:11,551 Speaker 2: Talking about fighting the fight the wopper Borough people native title. 344 00:19:11,311 --> 00:19:13,031 Speaker 3: This is we got that title? 345 00:19:13,271 --> 00:19:18,991 Speaker 2: Y long rod is Gina Reinhart up there trying to 346 00:19:18,991 --> 00:19:21,071 Speaker 2: build something, an island resort, a house. 347 00:19:21,191 --> 00:19:21,911 Speaker 1: What's going on? 348 00:19:22,511 --> 00:19:24,991 Speaker 3: But she was at one star, she was at one 349 00:19:25,031 --> 00:19:28,751 Speaker 3: stage looking. She was looking, yeah, but she decided. 350 00:19:29,031 --> 00:19:31,991 Speaker 2: That there's mob I'm not going to tolerat her. 351 00:19:33,071 --> 00:19:34,511 Speaker 1: So she wasn't going to be welcomed. 352 00:19:35,391 --> 00:19:38,271 Speaker 3: It wasn't something that we particularly wanted, but I think 353 00:19:38,311 --> 00:19:40,631 Speaker 3: in the end it was an economic decision for her 354 00:19:41,391 --> 00:19:45,031 Speaker 3: not to come. And then the state government came up 355 00:19:45,071 --> 00:19:47,271 Speaker 3: with a plan for what they're going to do on 356 00:19:47,311 --> 00:19:50,751 Speaker 3: the island, which they work with the wapper Borough to do. 357 00:19:51,711 --> 00:19:54,471 Speaker 3: But I'm just not I'm not sure there was in 358 00:19:54,871 --> 00:19:57,471 Speaker 3: the money behind it. I think they had the money 359 00:19:57,471 --> 00:19:59,951 Speaker 3: to develop a plan, but not the money to implement 360 00:20:00,151 --> 00:20:02,511 Speaker 3: the plan. And anyway, that government lost now and there's 361 00:20:02,511 --> 00:20:04,031 Speaker 3: another government in and I'm. 362 00:20:03,871 --> 00:20:05,151 Speaker 1: Not sure, so there might be another plan. 363 00:20:05,551 --> 00:20:07,911 Speaker 3: There might be another plan. And what we just ignore. 364 00:20:07,631 --> 00:20:10,751 Speaker 1: Us all for a war. Just let's just be yeah. 365 00:20:11,071 --> 00:20:14,631 Speaker 3: Yeah, But in the meantime, we have the tamra is 366 00:20:14,711 --> 00:20:18,031 Speaker 3: going great guns. They want to stay award a little 367 00:20:18,071 --> 00:20:21,031 Speaker 3: while ago, and we've got our land trust and we've 368 00:20:21,031 --> 00:20:24,111 Speaker 3: got our Native title body and so we're just thinking 369 00:20:24,511 --> 00:20:26,511 Speaker 3: we just need to go ahead. You know, we can't 370 00:20:26,551 --> 00:20:27,991 Speaker 3: wait for government. 371 00:20:28,911 --> 00:20:32,671 Speaker 2: No, there's these opportunities now for our younger mob to participate. 372 00:20:33,311 --> 00:20:36,231 Speaker 2: Whether it's like you said, it's not just about going 373 00:20:36,271 --> 00:20:38,511 Speaker 2: to universe. They might want to be a ranger, or 374 00:20:38,551 --> 00:20:41,071 Speaker 2: they might want to be they might want to start 375 00:20:41,071 --> 00:20:43,991 Speaker 2: their own business. They might want to start weaving painting, 376 00:20:44,471 --> 00:20:45,031 Speaker 2: that's right. 377 00:20:45,351 --> 00:20:46,391 Speaker 3: They might want to be a plumber. 378 00:20:48,031 --> 00:20:52,831 Speaker 2: So how does the say the mob, the Whappa Baro mob, 379 00:20:53,231 --> 00:20:55,831 Speaker 2: how do you support these younger mob? Is there opportunities 380 00:20:55,831 --> 00:20:58,951 Speaker 2: for them to Because I've got our want to real 381 00:20:59,071 --> 00:21:01,511 Speaker 2: mob in the Hunter, and we've got this education fund 382 00:21:01,511 --> 00:21:03,911 Speaker 2: and a health fund. So if I need a says 383 00:21:03,911 --> 00:21:06,071 Speaker 2: to money. It's not that the eight hundred members get 384 00:21:06,111 --> 00:21:09,431 Speaker 2: access to money. It's hey, you know, if you go 385 00:21:09,471 --> 00:21:12,111 Speaker 2: get a quote for a filling, we'll pay the dentist 386 00:21:12,151 --> 00:21:14,511 Speaker 2: for you. If you need a laptop for your kids 387 00:21:14,511 --> 00:21:16,871 Speaker 2: in school, then we'll give you a laptop so we've 388 00:21:16,871 --> 00:21:20,111 Speaker 2: got these royalties from mines where this money is kind 389 00:21:20,111 --> 00:21:24,551 Speaker 2: of safeguarded and nobody actually individually or a family gets royalties, 390 00:21:24,831 --> 00:21:27,631 Speaker 2: but the organization has a way of distributing it to 391 00:21:27,711 --> 00:21:28,551 Speaker 2: people who need it. 392 00:21:28,591 --> 00:21:30,151 Speaker 1: That's going to last generations. 393 00:21:30,991 --> 00:21:34,631 Speaker 3: Isn't that fabulous? It's very clever, it is. It's really good. 394 00:21:34,791 --> 00:21:37,351 Speaker 3: But I'm part of the mob that we don't get 395 00:21:37,391 --> 00:21:38,671 Speaker 3: the royalties. 396 00:21:38,431 --> 00:21:41,831 Speaker 1: No rot no royalties, no, but got land. 397 00:21:42,191 --> 00:21:45,951 Speaker 3: They got opportunities, opportunities to develop under the Aboriginal Land 398 00:21:46,071 --> 00:21:50,071 Speaker 3: Act from Queensland. We've got land, so that's different from 399 00:21:50,111 --> 00:21:53,951 Speaker 3: native title and so we can do something with that. 400 00:21:55,431 --> 00:21:59,951 Speaker 3: The main thing we've got going is we join is 401 00:22:00,031 --> 00:22:04,151 Speaker 3: the Tamra and that's our land Sea Rangers beneath that, 402 00:22:04,711 --> 00:22:08,311 Speaker 3: and we have a lot of casual lancy ranges and 403 00:22:08,351 --> 00:22:12,031 Speaker 3: we bring people on to country and the young ones 404 00:22:12,071 --> 00:22:15,191 Speaker 3: on the country and we try like whopple Barra first 405 00:22:15,751 --> 00:22:20,751 Speaker 3: is of course that and we do a lot of 406 00:22:20,791 --> 00:22:24,111 Speaker 3: stuff like look after the coral. We have all these 407 00:22:24,151 --> 00:22:29,391 Speaker 3: researchers that we've got working with us and we've just started. 408 00:22:29,831 --> 00:22:31,431 Speaker 3: My brother and law went let's do up a little 409 00:22:31,431 --> 00:22:34,351 Speaker 3: bit of a scholarship for those who can afford it 410 00:22:34,391 --> 00:22:35,431 Speaker 3: to put money into this. 411 00:22:35,551 --> 00:22:37,431 Speaker 2: They might want to be a bio marine. 412 00:22:37,911 --> 00:22:40,311 Speaker 1: Whatever, let's help. 413 00:22:40,551 --> 00:22:45,391 Speaker 3: And I'm thinking there's going to be wise that we 414 00:22:45,391 --> 00:22:50,471 Speaker 3: can get money for our mob. So once the we 415 00:22:50,671 --> 00:22:53,031 Speaker 3: I think we need to be far more established. But 416 00:22:53,191 --> 00:22:55,631 Speaker 3: once we are, we have to look at what we're 417 00:22:55,671 --> 00:22:59,231 Speaker 3: doing for our mob. And given that we haven't got royalties, 418 00:22:59,271 --> 00:23:01,471 Speaker 3: but we can still bring young ones back the country 419 00:23:02,151 --> 00:23:06,951 Speaker 3: and being on country, it's just so amazing. 420 00:23:07,031 --> 00:23:08,831 Speaker 1: You know, you can't even describe. 421 00:23:08,431 --> 00:23:11,511 Speaker 3: Its a feeling. What are the words? What are the 422 00:23:11,551 --> 00:23:14,911 Speaker 3: words with that feeling when you're like you're I don't 423 00:23:15,031 --> 00:23:16,231 Speaker 3: you know where you're meant to be. 424 00:23:16,311 --> 00:23:18,711 Speaker 2: I don't think there's one word to sum up that feeling. 425 00:23:19,391 --> 00:23:23,351 Speaker 2: But only mob feel it. Yeah, only mob feel it 426 00:23:23,391 --> 00:23:25,951 Speaker 2: because other people are like, oh yeah, connected to country. 427 00:23:26,551 --> 00:23:28,831 Speaker 2: Just it's a feeling when you know your home. 428 00:23:29,511 --> 00:23:34,631 Speaker 3: Yes, then it's almost like it's not like spirits are 429 00:23:34,631 --> 00:23:37,831 Speaker 3: watching you or a thing, although that in sometimes they are. 430 00:23:37,991 --> 00:23:40,431 Speaker 3: You can feel it, but it's the whole of the country. 431 00:23:40,551 --> 00:23:43,271 Speaker 3: You know that that tree is there, you know you 432 00:23:43,311 --> 00:23:46,991 Speaker 3: know that sure that that sea when it's like it 433 00:23:47,151 --> 00:23:51,231 Speaker 3: knows you, Yeah, it knows who you are and you're 434 00:23:51,311 --> 00:23:55,351 Speaker 3: just part of it is kind of hard. Yeah, but 435 00:23:55,511 --> 00:23:58,751 Speaker 3: you know you have a conversation with that tree. Yeah yeah, 436 00:23:59,151 --> 00:24:02,551 Speaker 3: so it's kind of or just sit there in silence 437 00:24:03,031 --> 00:24:05,871 Speaker 3: and listen the breeze and when the breeze comes past 438 00:24:05,871 --> 00:24:09,271 Speaker 3: and it touches you think, is that the breeze? Is 439 00:24:09,311 --> 00:24:10,311 Speaker 3: that my ancestor? 440 00:24:10,471 --> 00:24:13,351 Speaker 1: You know, what do you hope for the future? 441 00:24:13,391 --> 00:24:15,951 Speaker 2: If you think about our young mob and the next generation, 442 00:24:16,031 --> 00:24:17,551 Speaker 2: what are your hopes for the next generation? 443 00:24:18,191 --> 00:24:19,791 Speaker 1: Before we wrap up this shower. 444 00:24:20,271 --> 00:24:23,871 Speaker 3: I think I would like our young people to understand 445 00:24:23,911 --> 00:24:27,711 Speaker 3: that they are sovereign people and the strength that comes 446 00:24:27,711 --> 00:24:32,751 Speaker 3: from that and the strength from being Aboriginal or Torres 447 00:24:32,751 --> 00:24:36,471 Speaker 3: straight older. That's real strong, that's real powerful because it's 448 00:24:36,471 --> 00:24:39,871 Speaker 3: our country. We've been here for sixty thousand years at 449 00:24:39,951 --> 00:24:43,111 Speaker 3: least at least at least and like I said, we 450 00:24:43,191 --> 00:24:46,551 Speaker 3: are part of this and you're sovereign and stand strong 451 00:24:46,591 --> 00:24:51,551 Speaker 3: in your sovereignty. You know, they just shut up twenty 452 00:24:51,631 --> 00:24:54,791 Speaker 3: minutes ago, or you know, it's kind of like you 453 00:24:54,911 --> 00:24:58,591 Speaker 3: be strong in your identity and who you are because 454 00:24:58,591 --> 00:25:00,231 Speaker 3: that's where you're going to get your strength from and 455 00:25:00,271 --> 00:25:03,471 Speaker 3: down let them tell you anything different. You know you can. 456 00:25:04,551 --> 00:25:07,511 Speaker 3: You stand up, you fight because that's what people told 457 00:25:07,551 --> 00:25:10,911 Speaker 3: you do that, that's what your ancestors did, you know, 458 00:25:11,351 --> 00:25:13,271 Speaker 3: and you've got that in you. You've got that strength 459 00:25:13,311 --> 00:25:15,671 Speaker 3: in you. You've got that warrior in you. You know, 460 00:25:16,151 --> 00:25:17,151 Speaker 3: stand and be sovereign. 461 00:25:17,431 --> 00:25:19,911 Speaker 2: It's like the ground underneath he was rock solid. No 462 00:25:19,951 --> 00:25:23,151 Speaker 2: one can shake it break. It might get you a 463 00:25:23,151 --> 00:25:27,911 Speaker 2: bit wild, but there's nothing wrong with them being a 464 00:25:27,951 --> 00:25:31,111 Speaker 2: little bit rattled sometimes when you're dealing with people that 465 00:25:31,271 --> 00:25:34,231 Speaker 2: might question your identity, and. 466 00:25:34,431 --> 00:25:38,911 Speaker 3: People do question people's identity, but yeah, I know who 467 00:25:38,951 --> 00:25:43,271 Speaker 3: I am. I'm strong in my identity, strong way mob 468 00:25:43,591 --> 00:25:48,271 Speaker 3: being from Woodridge, having a big Barney family. Yeah, so 469 00:25:48,951 --> 00:25:50,791 Speaker 3: you know, I love that. That keeps me really strong. 470 00:25:50,831 --> 00:25:53,671 Speaker 3: And when I meet other ones that don't have it, 471 00:25:55,471 --> 00:25:59,071 Speaker 3: I do feel sorry for them. But I will say 472 00:25:59,111 --> 00:26:04,031 Speaker 3: know that everyone's on a journey. And I was often 473 00:26:04,071 --> 00:26:07,831 Speaker 3: think that in some ways I was kind of lucky 474 00:26:08,391 --> 00:26:11,831 Speaker 3: in that it was my great grandfather who was removed 475 00:26:11,831 --> 00:26:16,871 Speaker 3: from country and my mom grew up with him. Then 476 00:26:16,911 --> 00:26:20,791 Speaker 3: I grow with my mum, so we're still that hasn't 477 00:26:20,791 --> 00:26:24,231 Speaker 3: had that time for that disconnection that happened, that's happened 478 00:26:24,231 --> 00:26:27,151 Speaker 3: with a lot of people, and I think, oh, how 479 00:26:27,231 --> 00:26:29,871 Speaker 3: lucky are we that our people found our way back 480 00:26:29,911 --> 00:26:34,231 Speaker 3: to our country and got our native title and we 481 00:26:34,271 --> 00:26:37,991 Speaker 3: can do stuff with our young people before it's all gone, 482 00:26:38,871 --> 00:26:41,511 Speaker 3: you know, and so and I know that other mob 483 00:26:41,591 --> 00:26:44,671 Speaker 3: haven't had that, so their journey is much harder, of course. 484 00:26:45,191 --> 00:26:46,911 Speaker 1: And the struggle continues. 485 00:26:48,031 --> 00:26:52,031 Speaker 2: It's not always a struggle, right, those opportunities and time 486 00:26:52,071 --> 00:26:56,271 Speaker 2: to celebrate. There is black joy in black knowing. 487 00:26:56,831 --> 00:26:57,551 Speaker 1: Dr What do you go? 488 00:26:59,271 --> 00:26:59,671 Speaker 3: Angel? 489 00:27:00,031 --> 00:27:03,471 Speaker 2: I just want to say, because I know the batter 490 00:27:03,551 --> 00:27:06,311 Speaker 2: is going to cut out on this camera soon. You know, 491 00:27:06,391 --> 00:27:12,791 Speaker 2: your leadership, cultural leadership, leadership for a lot of them 492 00:27:12,791 --> 00:27:15,751 Speaker 2: about QUT has been inspirational for me as someone from 493 00:27:15,751 --> 00:27:19,151 Speaker 2: the outside looking in. But I just wish that you 494 00:27:19,191 --> 00:27:21,151 Speaker 2: were there when I was there all those years ago 495 00:27:21,711 --> 00:27:26,191 Speaker 2: as the seventy second Indigenous person I was working. There 496 00:27:26,231 --> 00:27:30,031 Speaker 2: was seventy two of us out of eight thousand and 497 00:27:30,071 --> 00:27:32,151 Speaker 2: I it was a place where I would say that 498 00:27:32,191 --> 00:27:35,071 Speaker 2: I felt very alone most of the time. And I 499 00:27:35,071 --> 00:27:37,751 Speaker 2: took any Little and any Mary in to meet Peter Coldrake, 500 00:27:37,751 --> 00:27:41,071 Speaker 2: who was the VC, and we presented a proposal to 501 00:27:41,151 --> 00:27:44,671 Speaker 2: him called Embedded in Land. I'm going to send that 502 00:27:44,671 --> 00:27:48,631 Speaker 2: proposal to you that we only done four qut. We 503 00:27:48,751 --> 00:27:51,671 Speaker 2: showed it to him, had this amazing meeting in his office, 504 00:27:51,711 --> 00:27:53,711 Speaker 2: and never heard from him again. So we said if 505 00:27:53,711 --> 00:27:56,151 Speaker 2: he was interested, he would have rung his back. So 506 00:27:56,191 --> 00:27:58,791 Speaker 2: he's not interested, so let's not bothering in him. I 507 00:27:58,831 --> 00:28:00,991 Speaker 2: still got that proposal there, so it makes. 508 00:28:00,791 --> 00:28:02,231 Speaker 1: Me really new VC. 509 00:28:02,431 --> 00:28:05,711 Speaker 3: Now she's lovely at Margaret's you'll chot out to market. 510 00:28:05,791 --> 00:28:09,151 Speaker 2: I love Margaret because I met Margaret at Gama around 511 00:28:09,311 --> 00:28:12,111 Speaker 2: Literally I met Margaret at the lining up for food. 512 00:28:12,951 --> 00:28:15,231 Speaker 2: We shared stores about how we're dissecting our plate and 513 00:28:15,271 --> 00:28:18,271 Speaker 2: eating food. So Margaret remember this little yard. So big 514 00:28:18,311 --> 00:28:21,351 Speaker 2: shout out to Margaret, who I know has been a 515 00:28:21,431 --> 00:28:24,151 Speaker 2: champion in a lot of the change and the big 516 00:28:24,191 --> 00:28:27,631 Speaker 2: restructure that happened at QT after I left. Yes, so 517 00:28:27,671 --> 00:28:32,631 Speaker 2: she wasn't people wasn't too. Didn't really like her at 518 00:28:32,671 --> 00:28:35,431 Speaker 2: the start because she came in and got shit done. 519 00:28:35,831 --> 00:28:37,031 Speaker 1: There's a lot of respect to her. 520 00:28:37,151 --> 00:28:40,631 Speaker 3: So since she left, Like we have quarterly staff lunches, 521 00:28:40,791 --> 00:28:44,871 Speaker 3: we have coffee and yarns every month in a coffee 522 00:28:44,911 --> 00:28:47,631 Speaker 3: and a yarn the thing, we've now got a cup 523 00:28:47,711 --> 00:28:51,231 Speaker 3: Murray on campus, so all these things. We've got newsletter 524 00:28:51,311 --> 00:28:54,191 Speaker 3: that goes out to the staff and did your stuff. 525 00:28:54,231 --> 00:28:57,631 Speaker 3: Once a month. We took a whole bunch of students 526 00:28:57,631 --> 00:29:01,711 Speaker 3: and staff to the original comedy that was at the Powerhouse. 527 00:29:01,791 --> 00:29:05,871 Speaker 3: So you kind of left before these deadly things. 528 00:29:05,871 --> 00:29:07,311 Speaker 1: So I'm still going to be round. 529 00:29:08,831 --> 00:29:10,351 Speaker 3: I'm going email. 530 00:29:10,551 --> 00:29:13,151 Speaker 1: If I need a job, I'll reach out, give you a calls. 531 00:29:13,751 --> 00:29:16,271 Speaker 3: But you're doing fabulous things, so you don't. You don't 532 00:29:16,311 --> 00:29:18,791 Speaker 3: need that. And I think that the thing is, there's 533 00:29:18,831 --> 00:29:21,391 Speaker 3: so many fabulous people, isn't it, like you go, oh 534 00:29:21,391 --> 00:29:24,031 Speaker 3: my god, there's this person's wonderful. 535 00:29:23,671 --> 00:29:25,471 Speaker 2: Will We've been in this room with all this mob, 536 00:29:26,111 --> 00:29:30,831 Speaker 2: this black talent, black royalty, blackademics. 537 00:29:29,911 --> 00:29:32,311 Speaker 3: And in the beginning of the blackout, what color do 538 00:29:32,391 --> 00:29:34,711 Speaker 3: you feel? And then Chelsea tends me and goes, I 539 00:29:34,711 --> 00:29:36,511 Speaker 3: feel black, and I go, oh my god, I feel 540 00:29:36,511 --> 00:29:39,271 Speaker 3: black too. That's the that's the color. The colors are black. 541 00:29:39,671 --> 00:29:41,191 Speaker 1: Let's celebrate our blackness. 542 00:29:41,311 --> 00:29:41,791 Speaker 3: That's wrong. 543 00:29:42,271 --> 00:29:45,071 Speaker 2: I know I've got to let you go, but I 544 00:29:45,111 --> 00:29:49,231 Speaker 2: can't wait to come and be on campus and to 545 00:29:49,751 --> 00:29:51,631 Speaker 2: just experience all the things that you've shared with us 546 00:29:51,671 --> 00:29:54,871 Speaker 2: on the podcast today and to all the mob at QT, 547 00:29:55,071 --> 00:29:57,911 Speaker 2: big shout out for all the deadly work you do. 548 00:29:58,151 --> 00:30:01,351 Speaker 2: Can't wait to come back and say hello. We were 549 00:30:01,351 --> 00:30:07,151 Speaker 2: there recently with the from Culture Is Life, so qut 550 00:30:07,351 --> 00:30:12,071 Speaker 2: Krumba hosted the Culture's Life Mob. I'm trying to think 551 00:30:12,111 --> 00:30:15,471 Speaker 2: about it as kind of not scholarships, the followship program. 552 00:30:15,711 --> 00:30:18,671 Speaker 2: So we're over there and I got to go and 553 00:30:18,791 --> 00:30:20,831 Speaker 2: see the office space. 554 00:30:20,551 --> 00:30:22,711 Speaker 1: And look at the host students. 555 00:30:22,711 --> 00:30:28,351 Speaker 2: I'm jealous, fantastic and Anie Annie Tires still at QT. 556 00:30:28,631 --> 00:30:30,951 Speaker 2: Big shout out because you've been there before I was 557 00:30:30,991 --> 00:30:33,831 Speaker 2: even there in twenty fourteen. So look, I'll let you 558 00:30:33,871 --> 00:30:40,951 Speaker 2: go and keep up the deadly work, stay black, and 559 00:30:41,191 --> 00:30:45,631 Speaker 2: we'll catch up soon. Great, thank you, You're welcome. I 560 00:30:45,711 --> 00:30:48,111 Speaker 2: know I say this all the time, but I love 561 00:30:48,231 --> 00:30:51,791 Speaker 2: yarning with people where people just don't know who we 562 00:30:51,831 --> 00:30:53,551 Speaker 2: are and what we do and all the deadly things 563 00:30:53,591 --> 00:30:56,471 Speaker 2: that we do within our work or in our communities, 564 00:30:57,551 --> 00:31:02,111 Speaker 2: keeping our culture strong, but also keeping people employed as well. 565 00:31:02,271 --> 00:31:06,671 Speaker 2: So hope you've been aoid this deadly yard or you mob. 566 00:31:06,551 --> 00:31:07,671 Speaker 1: Until next time up in now. 567 00:31:08,391 --> 00:31:11,431 Speaker 2: If you'd like any more info on today's guest, please 568 00:31:11,551 --> 00:31:16,311 Speaker 2: visit our show notes in the episode description, A big 569 00:31:16,351 --> 00:31:19,111 Speaker 2: shout out to all you Deadly Mob and allies who 570 00:31:19,151 --> 00:31:23,111 Speaker 2: continue to listen, watch, and support our podcast. 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