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Speaker 1: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily Oz. It is Monday,

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Speaker 1: the twenty third of May. We have a result from

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Speaker 1: the federal election, and so we're going to dedicate this

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Speaker 1: it was a shock to people. So I'm here with Tom.

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Speaker 1: We're going to break it all down. But Tom, before

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Speaker 1: I throw to you, just a general kind of lay

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Speaker 1: in this federal election.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Zara. What a weekend we've had. It was

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Speaker 2: quite an extraordinary result. I think maybe the best way

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Speaker 2: to summarize the result is to say that really there

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Speaker 2: were kind of three winners, if you like. The first

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Speaker 2: big winner was the Labor Party. They will be the

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Speaker 2: next government. It's looking more and more likely now. I

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Speaker 2: think it's fair to say that label will get to

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Speaker 2: the seventy six seats in the House of Representatives that

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Speaker 2: are required to form a government on their own. But

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Speaker 2: even if they don't do that, they're going to have

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Speaker 2: lots of friendly faces in the House of Representatives to

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Speaker 2: help them form a government. And that's because of the

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Speaker 2: other two winners, which were the Greens and pro climate

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Speaker 2: independence what we've been calling the teal Independence. So the

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Speaker 2: Greens have picked up two or three seats in addition

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Speaker 2: is a historic result for the Greens. They've only ever

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Speaker 2: had one seat in the House of Representatives. They're going

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Speaker 2: to pick up most likely three in Queensland, which is

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Speaker 2: a pretty extraordinary result. And they've picked up a lot

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Speaker 2: but a lot of Liberal voters seem to have kind

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Speaker 2: were these independents, six of them in particular, all women,

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Speaker 2: So those six were in New South Wales, Wentworth, North

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Speaker 2: There are a couple of rural independents who look like

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Speaker 2: It's not clear at this point whether any of them

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Speaker 2: campaign against Conneely with some success. So a really interesting

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Speaker 2: series of results. Lots of things happening all over the place. Sarah,

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Speaker 2: we had a big weekend.

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Speaker 1: We did have a big weekend. Not much sleep, ah,

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Speaker 1: But I think one of the things that I came

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Speaker 1: issues that our young people, our audience had been telling

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Speaker 1: the broader electorate, because it does appear, at least when

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Zarah, And I'm interested to hear more from

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Speaker 2: you and that I guess you monitor very closely the

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Speaker 2: We've seen how much our audience has been engaged in politics,

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Speaker 2: young people maybe haven't engaged in electoral politics before. How

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Speaker 2: and women voters across the country shaped last night's outcome. Well,

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Speaker 2: were they the big story of the night?

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Speaker 1: Tom, It's a great question. I think that the big

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Speaker 1: And certainly when we've seen a bit of a post

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. I think another big issue that's featured a

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Speaker 2: so there's Labour's policy which they'll now take into government

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Speaker 2: But they'll have Independence and Greens in Parliament and in

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Speaker 2: And we heard Simon Birmingham, the now former Liberal Finance Minister,

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Speaker 1: Okay, there are two more things I want to cover

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Speaker 1: We have seemingly seen the entire moderate wing of the

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Speaker 2: It's a fascinating question, and I think there's a bit

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Speaker 2: You're right about a lot of moderates are having gone

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Speaker 2: I think most people who kind of observe Peter Dutton

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Speaker 2: Liberals lost a lot of seats, the Nationals have not

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Speaker 2: really really interesting question. I don't think there's an easy answer.

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Speaker 1: We spent a lot of time talking about the party

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Speaker 1: to the incoming Prime Minister Anthony Albernesi. Here's how he

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Speaker 3: I begin by acknowledging the traditional owners that the land

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Speaker 3: on which we meet. I pay my respect to their elders, past,

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Speaker 3: present and emerging, and on behalf of the Australian Labor Party.

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Speaker 3: I commit to the ularus statement from the Heart and cold.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Tom, we heard there that the Uluru Statement

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the Ularu's Statement from the Heart again something

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Speaker 2: It's something that he spoke about a lot throughout the

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Speaker 2: on a voice to Parliament, a first Nation's Voice to

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Speaker 2: certainly be historic moment. A referendum is a compulsory vote

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Speaker 2: you're just voting on one question and there's a bit

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Speaker 2: on that list is the establishment of a federal Integrity Commission,

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Speaker 2: one that under Labour's model, will have public hearings, it

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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi's most prominent role in politics prior to becoming

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Speaker 2: we find ourselves now. Anthony Alberanzi was in a really

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Speaker 1: Now. Thank you, Tom. I guess we're going to have

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