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Speaker 1: Podcasting Now. Tonight is the return of Growing on the

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Speaker 1: ABC eight thirty PM, and we have, of course got

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Speaker 1: the host with us right now in Will Anderson.

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Speaker 2: Our next game.

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Speaker 1: Fine Comedians.

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Speaker 2: He's a pooty, good human too, the canad gang.

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Speaker 3: Who gives Uber drivers five stars even if the bunch

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Speaker 3: was rubbish. And the cand of guy who loves dogs cats.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't need two els in his name. He nailed

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Speaker 1: it with one.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. There's a will.

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Speaker 1: It's one person.

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Speaker 3: Could you hear that?

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Speaker 1: Will?

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Speaker 3: No good to know the technical difficulties. We've definitely sorted

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Speaker 3: over zoom. But you were talking over your own opener.

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Speaker 3: But what were you saying?

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Speaker 2: Well, what I was going to say was it's nice

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Speaker 2: to be on the show. I didn't realize I had

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Speaker 2: an opener and I couldn't hear the opener over zoom,

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Speaker 2: So I was really just it was like I was

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Speaker 2: doing a stand up comedy gig and I was heckling myself.

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Speaker 2: I was stra it's not that often that anybody actually

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Speaker 2: says anything nice about me. I'm used to being in

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Speaker 2: a world where I get introduced to stage, people read

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Speaker 2: out some of my credits. I come out there's an

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Speaker 2: audience there, and it was happening for once, and I

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Speaker 2: am so unused to that happening that I was just

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Speaker 2: yammering over the top of it so nobody could hear. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I've done stuff. Cruin's on tonight. You should watch it. Particularly.

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Speaker 2: You should watch it because if you want to see

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Speaker 2: a man have a mild panic attack, you can actually

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Speaker 2: see the moment because we do the show without an

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Speaker 2: audience for the first time in twelve years. And when

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Speaker 2: you're doing stand up comedy, like comedy like joke jokes

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Speaker 2: to no audience, you will be able to see the

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Speaker 2: moment in my eyes where I have that realization of like,

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Speaker 2: oh shit, this is harder than I thought it was

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Speaker 2: going to It's going to be like that moment from

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Speaker 2: The Simpsons where Ralph's heart broke live and they slowed

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Speaker 2: it down such a leash. You can actually pinpoint the

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Speaker 2: second when his heart RiPPs in half. You will see

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Speaker 2: that in my eyes.

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Speaker 3: Is there ever a moment, though, will where you get

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Speaker 3: the camera guy or something?

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Speaker 2: No, Because like all the kind of comedy bits that

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Speaker 2: like the monologue and all these things all have, you know,

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Speaker 2: bits of footage that we have to put into them,

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Speaker 2: which means that before we tape the show, of course

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Speaker 2: we have to rehearse those with the crew. So even

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Speaker 2: if they thought they were funny the first time through,

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Speaker 2: by the fourth time them seen them that day.

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Speaker 3: No, it's just silence.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a whole new set. You guys have got

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Speaker 1: your social distancing going on in there. Has it been

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Speaker 1: tricky to get involved? I mean, like, I know you've

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Speaker 1: been bunker down and Byron and this has been the

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Speaker 1: first thing you've been able to actually do in ages,

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Speaker 1: so it must have been a bit bittersweet.

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Speaker 2: I am in the gru and bubble now, so basically

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Speaker 2: I have to protect myself because I'm, you know, the

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Speaker 2: key person on the show. So if I get sick

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Speaker 2: in any way or exposed in anyway, all these people

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Speaker 2: lose their jobs and they can't you go to work,

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Speaker 2: and so it's quite a je onerous responsibility, so I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to keep myself as safe as possible. We have

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Speaker 2: this brand new desk because our old desk wasn't big

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Speaker 2: enough to social distance on. So now I'm sitting in

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Speaker 2: the middle of this desk that looks like I'm hosting

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Speaker 2: Australia decides Election Night special. It's so big this desk.

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Speaker 2: I felt like, you know, I really did feel like

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Speaker 2: Anthony Green was going to pop and it.

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Speaker 1: Just he's radically I just reminded it grew in Return tonight,

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Speaker 1: ABC at eight thirty. Right up next, Actually, we'll fascinated

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Speaker 1: to talk to you a little bit more, just a

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Speaker 1: bit of a teaser and what's going to be on

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Speaker 1: the show tonight, because obviously it's been a hell of

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Speaker 1: a year in all sorts of ways, and I'm really

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Speaker 1: interested to know, in particular, how covid has impacted advertising

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Speaker 1: in more importantly, by the same token, how it's impacted us,

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Speaker 1: which I'm sure everyone's.

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Speaker 2: Going to be able to empathize with.

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Speaker 1: Hi, we're going to talk about it right up next

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Speaker 1: podcasting now. Will Anderson joins us right now on the

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Speaker 1: zoom link. Grew in Return tonight, ABC eight thirty. Will

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Speaker 1: not sure if you've seen the new Netflix doco Sensation

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Speaker 1: The Social Dilemma, but I know I watched that recently

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Speaker 1: and was thinking a lot about Growin because obviously a

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Speaker 1: lot of it is about how big tech companies are

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Speaker 1: selling out or data about us to other people so

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Speaker 1: they can manipulate the messages and things that they're sending

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Speaker 1: to us, and I feel like under the COVID microscope,

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Speaker 1: we're all a lot more vulnerable to the things that

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Speaker 1: we're receiving on our screens. And I saw that you

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Speaker 1: guys are going to be talking TikTok tonight. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to spoil a lot of what happens tonight, but

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Speaker 1: can you give me some of the ins and outs

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Speaker 1: of what you guys discussed around that?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the Social Dilemma. That is a great documentary

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Speaker 2: for people to watch. But this is the theme we've

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Speaker 2: had on, grewon for a few years now, and it's

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Speaker 2: actually something I was also talking about in my stand up.

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Speaker 2: So you can imagine how spewing I am that The

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Speaker 2: Social Dilemma didn't come out a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 2: So I should have called the show the Social Dilemma.

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Speaker 2: It would have been perfect for me, right on topic.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely devastated about the whole thing. But secondly, it's all

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Speaker 2: everything you've seen in that documentary is about advertising. The

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Speaker 2: reason they have these algorithms is because they need to

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Speaker 2: sell adds to people. The reason they're collecting the data

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Speaker 2: isn't just for the sake of collecting data so that

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Speaker 2: the data can be used to specifically target advertising to people.

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Speaker 2: And of course any social media that you use for free.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the things that they say in the documentary.

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Speaker 2: It's the axiom is if you're not paying for it,

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Speaker 2: then you are the product. So these social media companies

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Speaker 2: are invented so that you can work on behalf of them.

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Speaker 2: We saw a great example of it which we touched

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Speaker 2: in the show in the TikTok world, which is that

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Speaker 2: Nathan Appadaka, who is the ocean spray cranberry juice guy

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Speaker 2: that did that TikTok you know, drinking his cranberry juice

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Speaker 2: ends up with it like a free ute out of it.

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Speaker 2: Mick Fleetwood, you know he does a video Dreams is

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Speaker 2: number one on the Spotify charts now that.

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Speaker 1: Last night, and I dredged him with a bucket of

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Speaker 1: water halfway through.

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Speaker 2: I did say that that was.

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Speaker 3: Just to bring I'm glad you found it funny. Hey,

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Speaker 3: will personal one for you? What sort of stuff pops

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Speaker 3: up in your feed? Like, if you're feed is tailored

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Speaker 3: to you with marketing and you are the product, what

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Speaker 2: For you I'll tell you very specifically, eight months of

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Speaker 2: the year. So you've got a bad back, does your

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Speaker 2: back terrible? I reckon, you're leaning over a bit too much.

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Speaker 2: That's eight months of the year. And then four months

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Speaker 2: of the year, whatever I was looking up for grew

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Speaker 2: in the previous week. So if we talk about a topic,

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Speaker 2: so this week I'll get all TikTok ads, whereas next

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Speaker 2: week I'll get a whole bunch of ads for soap.

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Speaker 2: It goes my algorithm just they just like, for eight

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Speaker 2: months of the year, he has a really bad back,

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Speaker 2: and then four months he is on a wild.

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Speaker 1: And crazy researcher. Well, speaking of I mean, if people

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Speaker 1: aren't across these like the one that that shocked me

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Speaker 1: on the show. And I hate to talk about a

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Speaker 1: Netflix show while we're talking about your ABC show, Will

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Speaker 1: but Kyrie Irving, very famous NBA basketballer, purely through the

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Speaker 1: algorithm that YouTube were approaching him with, became a flat

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Speaker 1: Earth believer. And then they interviewed him afterwards and he

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Speaker 1: was like, I just newly needed somebody to sit me

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Speaker 1: down and give me the information that sat outside the

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Speaker 1: universe that I'd been tipped into. And that's that's the

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Speaker 1: only the that's the only information I was getting, so

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Speaker 1: I had nothing to compare it with, which I just

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Speaker 1: think is fascinating. And he was able to sit down

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Speaker 1: and just go, I'm so sorry to everyone that I

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Speaker 1: was so adamant about this, and it really makes you

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Speaker 1: question a lot of the stuff that you believe with

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Speaker 1: a lot of conviction because they're just telling you to

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Speaker 1: believe it well, of.

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Speaker 2: Course, because you know, there are more psychologists working and

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Speaker 2: advertising in Australia than the rest of society. You know,

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Speaker 2: these are companies that have a financial imperative and manipulating

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Speaker 2: the way that you think about things, that the way

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Speaker 2: you control your actions. And we're all hypocrites because of

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Speaker 2: course my shows get sold on that same algorithm. Comedy

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Speaker 2: show on sale. It's not just the tram lonely driving

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Speaker 2: around Melbourne.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, and inst hoping that the algorithm's working

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Speaker 1: for you there in a lot of ways, you want

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Speaker 1: people that buy somebody shows to see or Will Anderson advertisement.

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Speaker 2: Somebody's watching in Adam Hills, you know, stand up.

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Speaker 1: Refused together all right, Mabe, Well look we're looking forward

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Speaker 1: to the grin coming back tonight. Your hair's looking Schmick.

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Speaker 1: You know, last time we spoke to you, you looked

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Speaker 1: a little bit like a hermit that had been lost

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Speaker 1: in the wilderness for a long time. Now you're fresh,

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Speaker 1: you're Schmick, You're TV ready, and the Gruin's back at

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Speaker 1: eight thirty tonight on the ABC. So thanks for joining us, mate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that. That was almost a compliment.

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